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Jan 12, 4:11 PM

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AnimeSucks420 said:
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I haven't really read the light novels but I have read a couple summaries, it looks like he gets another female slave who likes him and maybe 2nd princess likes him, but this isn't in the manga yet so I doubt it'll be in the anime either. not to mention a couple "certain events" happen that kinda break the harem. . .


just because it wont be in the anime it doesnt change the fact that this will turn into garbage


Im not sure im following you. In the light novels he gets Rapthtalia and Atla as main harem and if you know anything then you know the situation with atla

I suppose that you could include second princess and glass, but they barely get any screen time.

Also, if you're trying to get people not to watch the show because of plot points that surface AFTER the part that the ANIME will cover, then it's perfectly rational to tell you to shut the hell up. If that ever comes, then tell people not to watch the second season if it has some inklings of "harem" culture.

I'm not sure if you're just tryna troll with a name like AnimeSucks420, but you really oughta shut up instead of bashing shit that most people find no problem with.

How dare you come into MY house, eat MY pancakes, and have the AUDACITY to say they taste BAD.

Go fuck off, sincerely, Someone who doesn't like the Fate series but doesn't spout it to everyone to seem edgy
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Pontic said:
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just because it wont be in the anime it doesnt change the fact that this will turn into garbage


Im not sure im following you. In the light novels he gets Rapthtalia and Atla as main harem and if you know anything then you know the situation with atla

I suppose that you could include second princess and glass, but they barely get any screen time.

Also, if you're trying to get people not to watch the show because of plot points that surface AFTER the part that the ANIME will cover, then it's perfectly rational to tell you to shut the hell up. If that ever comes, then tell people not to watch the second season if it has some inklings of "harem" culture.

I'm not sure if you're just tryna troll with a name like AnimeSucks420, but you really oughta shut up instead of bashing shit that most people find no problem with.

How dare you come into MY house, eat MY pancakes, and have the AUDACITY to say they taste BAD.

Go fuck off, sincerely, Someone who doesn't like the Fate series but doesn't spout it to everyone to seem edgy





it doesn't matter if it happens during or after the anime, it's still part of the story.

Also if you wouldn't make bullshit posts like this, trying to bait people into watching this garbage fuckfest then i wouldn't have to tell people not to watch it.

This ain't your house, its a free forum.
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bnha and fate are absolute garbage, and so is shirou and rem.

shield hero is an overrated garbage isekai harem, with your usual self-insert shit MC. people like to say its different, but it's NOT.
 
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papsoshea said:
You can't call anything AOTS candidates based off 1 episode, this is the hype train passenger logic.

No trend victim here,
Yes, you can call AOTS candidates based on 1, 2, 3 .... or 11 eps. and still change your mind later if the show fracks it up so bad. Based on what I've seen so far, this show is one of the most entertaining of the season.
 
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Point is everything was great before the queen arrives trust me. Well it's decent even after that but no, shield hero ended for me when the queen arrived. The whole struggle in the beginning just becomes almost non-existent after that. So I'll be watching the anime to relive the time when shield hero is great (it's still good now but not AS good)
 
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Point is everything was great before the queen arrives trust me. Well it's decent even after that but no, shield hero ended for me when the queen arrived. The whole struggle in the beginning just becomes almost non-existent after that. So I'll be watching the anime to relive the time when shield hero is great (it's still good now but not AS good)


Strange that I found it the other way around. I think it got a lot better after the queen arrived (excluding the harem elements). Maybe it's a matter of taste? I like it when they got stronger and they are not the underdog anymore. I mean the series is about the waves after all not about revenge.
 
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Huex3 said:
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Point is everything was great before the queen arrives trust me. Well it's decent even after that but no, shield hero ended for me when the queen arrived. The whole struggle in the beginning just becomes almost non-existent after that. So I'll be watching the anime to relive the time when shield hero is great (it's still good now but not AS good)


Strange that I found it the other way around. I think it got a lot better after the queen arrived (excluding the harem elements). Maybe it's a matter of taste? I like it when they got stronger and they are not the underdog anymore. I mean the series is about the waves after all not about revenge.


Hey, it's your preference. I enjoyed it when they were the underdogs. I still do enjoy it, because at this point I'm kinda attached to them as a character
 
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Random sexism accusations aside, man what a trainwreck of an episode was episode 1. It's actually shocking. Well, at least it was entertaining to witness whatever the hell this was supposed to be.
 
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@kzarashi 1. Women can be sexist too. 2. Author's displayed name is feminine but we don't know whether it's a pseudonym. Those seem to be rather common in LN industry.

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@copyrightRingo I would reply to you... but I'd essentially be just repeating what Eanki said.

@Eanki Thanks for replying in my stead. Btw I wanted to say this to you in a thread sometime ago but it slipped my mind... Log Horizon is indeed the best isekai.


While I understand the allure of Log Horizon, it didn't really land with me because I couldn't stick with the huge cast and how they are treated as a group rather than getting individual attention each. Not to mention the political affairs kinda bored me, similarly to how i watched spice and wolf for the cute romance parts and was bored through all of the economics(although it was interesting at first).

If it has not been already made apparent from my arguments here and my favorites list, I happen to love politics lol. So some of it is probably just the fact that it's in one of my favorite genres. I could see the argument that my second favorite isekai (Vision of Escaflowne) is better of the two, but LH is my personal favorite.

@VeryLTTP So your answer is 'no' then? Very well, second question then...

Do you agree that 'bitch' is a gendered insult?



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@VeryLTTP So your answer is 'no' then? Very well, second question then...

Do you agree that 'bitch' is a gendered insult?

No to what question?

That question was already answered eons ago. You should keep track of other people's responses rather than glancing over them.
 
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copyrightRingo said:
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Why invent more superfluous words when we can scale down?

Besides, I'm not calling for anything just yet. I'm just wondering why insults hurled at females need to be gendered/rooted in their gender instead of just gender-neutral insults. And it's not just females. Guys too get gendered insults ("pussy", "whipped", "wimp", etc.) that serves to target and undermine their masculinity. Coward is a word. Why not use it? You know, those little things that pop into your head at 2am on a Saturday.


That's because swear words are for the purpose of insulting you. The closer the word matches you. The more it hurts.
Of course, there are a million ways to insult someone, but these words are the easiest to use and they can fit on any sentences.

EDIT: Bottom line. It's the choice of words. Using the word "bitch" doesn't make you anything sexist.


Oho. And yet don't you find it curious that gendered insults against males tend to imply that they have feminine characteristics and the possession of such characteristics are considered a negative? Or, in the case of "whipped", the idea of a non-dominant male is something to make fun of?

As for sexism, it's really not some big boogeyman entity who does that. People of all walks of life and various sexual identities tend to do it unwittingly. Sexism isn't just about being an out-and-out misogynist. It's about perpetuating gender norms that tend to have negative consequences.Slut-shaming, for example, was mentioned in this thread. It was pointed out that slut-shaming isn't sexist as it targets individuals not all women. And yet how do you think untargetted women feel when a woman is slut-shamed for being sexually active? Wouldn't it create a silent deterrent to these women to not be sexually active lest they be slut-shamed too?
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Eanki said:
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That's because swear words are for the purpose of insulting you. The closer the word matches you. The more it hurts.
Of course, there are a million ways to insult someone, but these words are the easiest to use and they can fit on any sentences.

EDIT: Bottom line. It's the choice of words. Using the word "bitch" doesn't make you anything sexist.


Oho. And yet don't you find it curious that gendered insults against males tend to imply that they have feminine characteristics and the possession of such characteristics are considered a negative? Or, in the case of "whipped", the idea of a non-dominant male is something to make fun of?

As for sexism, it's really not some big boogeyman entity who does that. People of all walks of life and various sexual identities tend to do it unwittingly. Sexism isn't just about being an out-and-out misogynist. It's about perpetuating gender norms that tend to have negative consequences.Slut-shaming, for example, was mentioned in this thread. It was pointed out that slut-shaming isn't sexist as it targets individuals not all women. And yet how do you think untargetted women feel when a woman is slut-shamed for being sexually active? Wouldn't it create a silent deterrent to these women to not be sexually active lest they be slut-shamed too?


Nope. Never. They are insults. They are supposed to be vulgar. It would be dumb to overanalyse every single swear word for their "gender orientation" before using them.

In terms of slut-shaming (I actually have to look it up), my opinion is, public decency is a thing. I'm not telling you to cover your entire body on the street. It's the same thing as men don't walk around bare in shorts in a shopping mall. You wear different things based on different environments. There's a lot more about this topic, but let's go back to the anime. We are going way too far from where we were.
Naofumi is looking at an illustration of a book and says she looked like a sult. There is no slut-shaming involved as it's purely fictional. He wasn't transported into the isekai world yet. No, you can't prove he will do the same irl.
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You can't call anything AOTS candidates based off 1 episode, this is the hype train passenger logic.

No trend victim here,
Yes, you can call AOTS candidates based on 1, 2, 3 .... or 11 eps. and still change your mind later if the show fracks it up so bad. Based on what I've seen so far, this show is one of the most entertaining of the season.
You are right but don't expect people to take people that do that seriously.
 
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Why is it suddenly about sexism? Shield hero literally has nothing to do with sexism. I really don't know how derailed this could get
 
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copyrightRingo said:
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Oho. And yet don't you find it curious that gendered insults against males tend to imply that they have feminine characteristics and the possession of such characteristics are considered a negative? Or, in the case of "whipped", the idea of a non-dominant male is something to make fun of?

As for sexism, it's really not some big boogeyman entity who does that. People of all walks of life and various sexual identities tend to do it unwittingly. Sexism isn't just about being an out-and-out misogynist. It's about perpetuating gender norms that tend to have negative consequences.Slut-shaming, for example, was mentioned in this thread. It was pointed out that slut-shaming isn't sexist as it targets individuals not all women. And yet how do you think untargetted women feel when a woman is slut-shamed for being sexually active? Wouldn't it create a silent deterrent to these women to not be sexually active lest they be slut-shamed too?


Nope. Never. They are insults. They are supposed to be vulgar. It would be dumb to overanalyse every single swear word for their "gender orientation" before using them.

In terms of slut-shaming (I actually have to look it up), my opinion is, public decency is a thing. I'm not telling you to cover your entire body on the street. It's the same thing as men don't walk around bare in shorts in a shopping mall. You wear different things based on different environments. There's a lot more about this topic, but let's go back to the anime. We are going way too far from where we were.
Naofumi is looking at an illustration of a book and says she looked like a sult. There is no slut-shaming involved as it's purely fictional. He wasn't transported into the isekai world yet. No, you can't prove he will do the same irl.


Analysis is fun. A forum is, after all, a place for discourse. Why be in a forum otherwise? A forum without heavy analysis and discourse is not a forum. At best, it's a message board.

I don't particularly care about Naofumi or the misogyny controversy generated so I'm not going to discuss the specifics of that scene with you. I'm just commenting on misconceptions on this thread in particular. I prefer to live with the Hanlon Razor in mind: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

The author is incompetent and the first episode is shit. I've already said so in my comment on the episode thread. As far as I know I haven't invoke the misogyny card.

So yeah. But if want to continue our general discussion, I'm open.

EDIT: Punctuations.
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but a stigmatized genre will always be judged by the 90% of bad works.

 
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Just so that we are clear on the whole mysogyny discussion, is the specific character in question not worthy of the title bestowed upon her by the main hero?

We are talking about a profoundly nasty and self-serving human being that not only just happens to be a woman, but also actively uses her very much gender-based appeal to lead other people astray. If "bitch" is not an adequate explanation for that kind of behaviour, then i don't know what is.

We are also talking about that nasty character existing within the context of the work, where other, decidedly less nasty, female characters are not just present, but also much more prominent.
 
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Eanki said:

Analysis is fun. A forum is, after all, a place for discourse. Why be in a forum otherwise? A forum without heavy analysis and discourse is not a forum. At best, it's a message board.

I don't particularly care about Naofumi or the misogyny controversy generated so I'm not going to discuss the specifics of that scene with you. I'm just commenting on misconceptions on this thread in particular. I prefer to live with the Hanlon Razor in mind: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

The author is incompetent and the first episode is shit. I've already said so in my comment on the episode thread. As far as I know I haven't invoke the misogyny card.

So yeah. But if want to continue our general discussion, I'm open.

EDIT: Punctuations.


Fair enough.
Though I'm done discussing, discussions like these drains all of my energy. I just wanna have some casual chat.
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Look i know youre talking out of your ass and you have your preference, but you have no idea what youre talking about. Im not even going to discuss it with you, it will be pointless. Everyone who read the manga for at least 20 chapters knows its not a standard isekai. Just because you have some elements of cliché in it doesnt make it bad.

i wonder how you would feel if everyone is basically saying "i wish you would die". nothing wrong with having Victimization complex as a story device. Yes sometimes it is a bit too much but still better SAO 90% of your standard isekai. Stop hating because its isekai, it is annoying.

But again why do i say such things to people like you. Youre one of those people who throw 1 and 2s and shows just because you dont like certain things. But im also against shit like throwing 10s at shows just because youre entertained.
You should rate a show objectively. if you like the art or 1-2 characters or even 1-2 moments in the entire show (1 or 2 cour), it will never be less than a 4. Not even if you try.
giving a rating like 1 ,2 or 3/10 does not make you critical.


Wow 20 manga chapters, wow, here is a sarcastic clap. No I read up to vol 6 of the LN and did a skim reading up to vol 13. So, I'm pretty sure I know better than you.

And I am going to educate you on Isekai, there are many templates to isekai, the dominate ones are the revenge isekai and the OP isekai.

Revenge Isekai such as Arifueta, Shield Hero, Healer second life, all are just as standard as what ever you imagine the average isekai to be, in fact, they are now far more generic than the "average isekai", since everyone wants to be the "special author who subverts expectation".

Shield hero even ended up devolving into the other generic template as soon as they got to the shield worshipping city and the JP city.

And yes victimization is a crappy tool, it lowered the IQ of the surround to artificially inflate the woe. Yeah 3-4 people sure, I can see it, but so many and that victimization lead to some truly stupid decision, like the king and the dumb princess making enemy of the queen of the country (when she have all the actual power? Really?).
couldn't find Healer 2nd life, whats the name or plot summary. one more question, what's your top 5 LN you would recommend over Shield Hero?
edit:do you mean the Hero Healer with his Bitch Mage, Sliver Wolf Slave, Saint Swordwomen, Future Demon Queen and Little Sister
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Second episode did not disappoint. Although somewhat predictable I still found myself cheering for Raphtalia to find her courage towards the end of the episode. I'm a sucker for that shit.

I find it odd this anime is being accused of "misogyny" or "slave-girl fantasy". I can understand those points but have I not seen anything in the first two episodes to lead me to that conclusion. If they are talking about the light novel this is based on then I'm a bit confused. I thought this topic was about the anime. So far in the anime I've not seen that. I don't know of anyone who has a fantasy of owning a slave girl to feed, clothe and take care of as if your own sibling or child.

I've read a lot of fantasy novels. The hero buying a slave to further the quest is not a new trope. Get back to me when the hero starts asking for a nightly hand job.

 
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For everyone new to Shield Hero, I beg you, please give this show a shot. At first glance, this may seem like a fanservice slave harem, but it really isn't. This show is deep with real world connotations and a firm grasp on the meaning of isolation and hatred. As the show continues, the characters actually grow and the main character is FAR from overpowered. I've skimmed the discussions and read the opinions of those who judge books by covers and my heart has been broken. While Isekai is not for everyone, this breaks away from the mold while still maintaining a familiar isekai-ness, and if you keep with it, I believe this could be the isekai that scratches your fantasy itch.
I’m giving it a shot Boss. I almost bailed after the first episode, but I loved the second episode. I’m looking forward to next week.
 
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Why do you want other people to watch what you like anyway?
What’s the matter with you? Are you a reptile?
 
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Why do you want other people to watch what you like anyway?
What’s the matter with you? Are you a reptile?
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Vecko said:
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What’s the matter with you? Are you a reptile?
hisssssssssssssssss
lol! Well, that settles that. Lol
 
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NoviSun said:
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lol! Well, that settles that. Lol
I'll let you in on a little secret. We abducted your mom and replaced her with one of our own.
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lol! Well, that settles that. Lol
I'll let you in on a little secret. We abducted your mom and replaced her with one of our own.
I thought the old lady had been acting a little queer lately. Thanks for the confirmation.
 
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I'll let you in on a little secret. We abducted your mom and replaced her with one of our own.
I thought the old lady had been acting a little queer lately. Thanks for the confirmation.
I like you. I will break out your mom and return her tomorrow morning.
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Wow 20 manga chapters, wow, here is a sarcastic clap. No I read up to vol 6 of the LN and did a skim reading up to vol 13. So, I'm pretty sure I know better than you.

And I am going to educate you on Isekai, there are many templates to isekai, the dominate ones are the revenge isekai and the OP isekai.

Revenge Isekai such as Arifueta, Shield Hero, Healer second life, all are just as standard as what ever you imagine the average isekai to be, in fact, they are now far more generic than the "average isekai", since everyone wants to be the "special author who subverts expectation".

Shield hero even ended up devolving into the other generic template as soon as they got to the shield worshipping city and the JP city.

And yes victimization is a crappy tool, it lowered the IQ of the surround to artificially inflate the woe. Yeah 3-4 people sure, I can see it, but so many and that victimization lead to some truly stupid decision, like the king and the dumb princess making enemy of the queen of the country (when she have all the actual power? Really?).
couldn't find Healer 2nd life, whats the name or plot summary. one more question, what's your top 5 LN you would recommend over Shield Hero?
edit:do you mean the Hero Healer with his Bitch Mage, Sliver Wolf Slave, Saint Swordwomen, Future Demon Queen and Little Sister


Not sure about its full english name, the bitch mage is pink hair in manga right? Then its that one.

Top 5 LN, you want the Isekai version? or all of LN?

For isekai, I place Log Horzion, Wolf and Spice, Mushoku Tensei, SAO UW arc, Re:zero above it.

All of LN is makes the list way too long. But my personal top 5 are, Toaru, Baccano/Durarara, Monogatari (though it requires Japanese to truly appreciate), Konosuba, Kino's Journey.
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