| All of the 1/10's, 2/10's just because of the ending are total exaggerations. Yes, the ending was rushed, they tried to incorporate so many new themes that it could of been used for a second season, but the show itself was still good up until the end. The thing I don't get is how some people are absolutely trashing the show for taking inspiration from Evangelion or Gurren Lagann. Obviously DITF isn't as good as those shows but everything from the characters, the art, the sound, the animation we're still very good. Just sounds like a bunch of Elitists for the most part. If you are a casual viewer, give the show a shot. If you haven't seen Evangelion or Gurren Lagann, you won't notice the certain inspirations but that's okay. It's not a bad show. I'd give it 7-7.5/10 personally. |
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| Honestly, there are many reasons for the low ratings. The show doesn't do anything remotely worthwhile with the elements it's taking from those shows, sometimes rehashing them outright for its own plot structures and arcs, which are handled poorly. The show gives you little reason to get invested in these characters given how inconsistently they are written --even early on-- and the few they try giving backstories to are pretty lame characters outside of that. They aren't established well. The world-building and premise clash with each other as soon as you realize these characters have no idea about the concept of sex, attraction, or most things regarding the sexual portion of human nature, yet they constantly flirt, get embarrassed, etc. even before most of them eventually learn about this stuff. The world-building sets itself up for failure, only for episodes 19 and 20 to somehow make the reveals even more broken and nonsensical than expected. Elements set up, like episode 10, get left by the wayside, further adding onto how it feels like they made things up as they went along. The monologues are embarrassing. That final quarter is just...on a league of its own. The animation itself is pretty meh, with no sense of spectacle or impact to any of the fight scenes, and some pretty weak mech designs & male character designs. I don't find the OST remarkable either. Don't try to pull the whole "elitists" card. You can definitely enjoy the show, that's perfectly fine, but honestly, I don't really see much good in this one. A 2/10 is not an exaggeration, and this is coming from someone who doesn't despise the show as violently as most of the 1/10 reviews did. |
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| I don't think FranXX was ever a good series, it just had a stretch of promising episodes in the mid point that could lead to some interesting plot developments. Alas, most of those interesting episodes didn't even matter in the grand scheme of things, and the ones that did led to the utter bullshit that was the second half of the show. |
-RyuDec 3, 2018 4:23 PM
| Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength. |
| I liked the first half of this season but the 2nd half just killed it for me. For me, it's 6/10 for the first 16 episodes and 1/10 for the ones remaining. |
| I loved it. 8 on my lists. |
yuccasnpkDec 4, 2018 3:59 AM
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| Those reviews were like that way way before the ending. The ending didn't change those reviews a bit. Also the ending can impact how you feel about a show. Regardless the show was really hated even before the ending. Before the ending I think the top reviews were 1, 2, 4 and 9(I don't really remember)? I guess the positive reviewers got hit with trauma after seeing the last two episodes lol. Well I am looking forward to see what Nishigori's next work is. The parts he did well have been done perfectly and the parts he obviously never thought what he needed to do like the 7-11 and especially the last 6 episodes have come across as from mediocre to egregiously bad. I didn't hate the ending as badly as many others do but I guess the fact that many are angry over the ending might be a testimony of it achieving what it was trying to do-get many butthurt over tragedy lol although I would argue its not really a tragedy(Well not many consider the ending of Angel Beats a tragedy so I don't see this as well).I will give it somewhere around 5-6. It used to be around 7 but then I raised my rating scalee and dropped the ratings to 5. |
| Honestly, it doesn't seem as bad as I had originally thought. Yeah, the ending was definitely something else, but the show managed to keep me waiting on the edge of my seat for the next episode more often than not. Idk, maybe I'm just crazy. |
| was 5/10 always for me, ending changed nothing... |
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Ariavartan said: Those reviews were like that way way before the ending. The ending didn't change those reviews a bit. I do not recall nearly as much hate back then before the halfway point. Most of the reviews still gave it a 7 or 8 when I last checked around episode 14 or so. I've seen a ton of people change their scores due to the ending. It wasn't just about the ending being bad to some people, because a lot of people will watch an anime that they think is mediocre, or even bad, because they think the payoff will be worth it, so the ending being this hated got people mad they invested that much time only to get burned. I'm only saying what I've seen the reactions are and the reasoning though, I've yet to see this anime and I don't know if the ending is as bad as they say, but I do know the reviews have changed substantially. There were some reviews that still gave it a low score before the ending, but there were barely any that gave it anywhere near a 1 or 2. |
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| Cringemax from the starting. I saw no quality drop in the 2nd half. One of the shittiest cast of characters I have seen especially Zero Two and that cuck bitch whose name I forgot. Sasuga Trigger, always living up to my expectations./s |
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| Yes, it's very bad, deal with it. |
| All weebs creatures of the galaxy, hear this message. Those of you who listen will not be struck by western animation. You will no longer know hunger, nor pain. Your Anime have come to lead you now. Our strength shall serve as a luminous sun toward which all intelligence may blossom. And the impervious shelter beneath which you will prosper. However, for those who refuse our offer and cling to their western animation ways… For you, there will be great wrath. |
| With how much episodes they wasted for absolutely nothing, I'd say it is Lol |
| This was a solid 7/10 before episode 11 happened. I had my reservations about talentless Nishigori, but I really wanted a good mecha show...... But then......., fucking CUCKWHORO and NTR fucked it all up. If someone had told me Okada was writing this shit...., I would believe them. For me, the show never recovered from episode 11 and a solid 1/10 was cemented as its final score. |
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| It's uninspired, it's derivative, it's quite badly-structured, it has a very forgettable cast and it has terrible dialogue/exposition. There's a lot of issues to point at with this show, so no wonder some have come to hate it. I did mildly enjoy it, though, but it was not exactly a smooth ride. |
| When I said that Darling in the Franxx is the new Sword Art Online, it is indeed the new Sword Art Online because of the extreme hate that both show receive. That's also why we need a huge reform in the review section, as the Top-4 reviews are extremely negative to a 7,62 anime. I may say that since the ending of Darling, the fall of ratings has been extreme and always blinded by hate and extreme progressivism who were extremely disgusted with the traditionalist nature of DitF. In comparision of other animes that have finished in a lapse of 6 months before or after Darling in the Franxx ending have more normal corrections: -Blend S: 7,66 at Dec 2017; now at 7,56. A loss of 0,00833 points per month. -Net-juu no Susume: 7,94 at Dec 2017: now at 7,82. A loss of exactly 0,01 per month. -Sora Yori mo Tooi Basho: 8,66 at Mar 2018; now at 8,60. A loss of exactly 0,00667 per month. -Slow Start: 7,17 at Mar 2018; now at 7,11. A loss of exactly 0,01 per month. -Wotaku ni Koi wa Muzukashii: 8,14 at Jun 2018; now at 8,06. A loss of exactly 0,01333 per month. -Darling in the Franxx: 7,88 at Jul 2018; now at 7,61. An extreme loss of exactly 0,054 per month. Even f-ing Sword Art Online has fell from 7,63 in Dec 2017 to 7,60 now. A small loss of 0,0025 per month. That's why I said that Darling in the Franxx was victim of bad press from ANN who were bitsching all the time because of conservatism. Also victim of some extremists who decided that death threatening the guys in charge will give them some publicity. Victim of trying to not pleasuring the hardline mecha fans. Basically a project that was doomed to fail because there was a collusion that destroyed forever the lone positive reputation that was left from Darling in the Franxx. That there were errors and blunders in the last 5-6 episodes, that's undeniable. However, trying to censure the very few positive opinion that we fans of Darling in the Franxx have, that's downright mean, idiotic. Can you let us fans alone just for once? Seems in the same boat, I interpreted Darling as a more essentialist show rather than a mecha one. I did a review almost exactly about your premises. |
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tlato_but said: That's also why we need a huge reform in the review section, as the Top-4 reviews are extremely negative to a 7,62 anime. Why? And no we don't. Top reviews are community chosen. As in, something the community agreed with and voted up. I don't see why you would want to change that unless you are angry that a pure shit show like Franxx got fucked over by reviewers...... nahhhh I'm sure that's not the case and I am overthinking it. Couldn't read anything else after that because you seem to not know what a decimal point is. Such a shame though. Basic education should be a right imo. |
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| @tlato_but You are giving too much credit to ANN reviews. They are not really that influential, and if people had issues with the conservative values of the show they would have them anyway. The idea that some negative comments can shape an entire fanbase is a bit exaggerated. The issue with death threats did cause a fuss, though, and it created a bad image for the fanbase and to a point for the show. This is a much more likely influence. @Naxrrhid Not sure what you mean about decimals but in Europe and South America we use commas as decimal separators. This is a fairly frequent mistake when we post in English-speaking communities. |
jal90Dec 5, 2018 7:40 PM
Naxrrhid said: Why? And no we don't. Top reviews are community chosen. As in, something the community agreed with and voted up. I don't see why you would want to change that unless you are angry that a pure shit show like Franxx got fucked over by reviewers...... nahhhh I'm sure that's not the case and I am overthinking it. Says the one who not only doesn't use the medium of the ratings systems just to shit on your hated shows, ej Darling, Steins Gate, etc. But also a guy who has even the decency to put Trinity Seven as its top favourite anime. In tastes there are colours, they say, but this is way too far to even be believable. And yes, I do want a reform because of the s. persons like you keep padding each other with the negative reviews that some of your tribe make for Darling in the Franxx. I'm not forcing to change your opinion on Darling, I'm asking to leave us alone. In a sense, you're like those ultraprogressive who pad each other's back and are on a race of who's more "woke". The arrogant way that you attacked me because you didn't really know my agenda before it's pretty sad and disappointing. I believe in free speech by the way, but I also believe that a balance of opinions should be made, you literally give thumbs up to negative reviews of Franxx, so do I with the positive reviews of Darling in the Franxx. If you wanna shit on a review, then you shouldn't do a review at all, there's no work invested, no explanation of the points that the MAL blueprints put, no consideration of other variables, just a regurgiation of the shit you made to keep Darling banished in a dungeon where it was banished. Naxrrhid said: Couldn't read anything else after that because you seem to not know what a decimal point is. Such a shame though. Basic education should be a right imo. I guess that's even more ignorance and lack education from yourself because in Latin America, which is a few hours from your belowed country, we DO use the comma as a separation of decimals. Guess I can't expect too much education from non-ABC countries. jal90 said: @tlato_but You are giving too much credit to ANN reviews. They are not really that influential, and if people had issues with the conservative values of the show they would have them anyway. The idea that some negative comments can shape an entire fanbase is a bit exaggerated. The issue with death threats did cause a fuss, though, and it created a bad image for the fanbase and to a point for the show. This is a much more likely influence. @Naxrrhid Not sure what you mean about decimals but in Europe and South America we use commas as decimal separators. This is a fairly frequent mistake when we post in English-speaking communities. Thank you again for the defence, you always defend me, despite our opposites. But I'm not that well versed in anime news sites, but there seems to be a consensus of hate and disregard towards Darling in the Franxx, unless you know a site who kept defending the anime even in the final episodes, or even mantained a sense of neutrality. I'd be more than happy to know it. |
tlato_butDec 5, 2018 7:56 PM
| "What a Player, what a Champion here at Wimbledon, the first man to win 8 Championships." Andrew Castle on Roger Federer winning his 19th Grand Slam title. |
| You need some sort of help on the show? I'm just gonna put this channel here for you guys to watch if you're interested. Heard the guy because it's thanks to him people enjoyed DitF, I mean I skimmed comments in his videos. Just a warning: he has long videos, average 1-2 hours. |
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| Oh boy....., I will try to get to all your points, atleast the ones written in proper English. |
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Naxrrhid said: Oh boy....., I will try to get to all your points, atleast the ones written in proper English. I'm just gonna say that I do work with English in IRL situations, considering the native language here is Spanish. And I'm C1 in English by the way. Naxrrhid said: tlato_but said: Says the one who not only doesn't use the medium of the ratings systems just to shit on your hated shows, ej Darling, Steins Gate, etc. But also a guy who has even the decency to put Trinity Seven as its top favourite anime. In tastes there are colours, they say, but this is way too far to even be believable. "wah wah wah, stop liking what I don't like..... wah wah wah start liking what I like! How dare you have an anime I dropped in your Top 10!?" LMAO, all I'll say here, is that taste is subjective, superior taste even more so. Back to basics again. All people are equal to each other, but some of them are more equal to others. Progressive bs, exactly what are you doing here. Naxrrhid said: tlato_but said: And yes, I do want a reform because of the s. persons like you keep padding each other with the negative reviews that some of your tribe make for Darling in the Franxx. I'm not forcing to change your opinion on Darling, I'm asking to leave us alone. In a sense, you're like those ultraprogressive who pad each other's back and are on a race of who's more "woke". Leave you alone? As in, we should not have an opinion of a pure shit show? And dude, I'm a centrist who leans right. I hate SJW and PC crap. So yes, not everyone who hates on Franxx is a leftist. I never said anything about having or not an opinion on Darling in the Franxx, or Sword Art Online, or Charlotte, or Trinity Seven (the last ones are the shows that I hate the most). I said that you and your minions should stop invading our only reduct where we can talk peacefully about Darling in the Franxx, you're not contributing anything to the discourse, not even SAO-haters are that content-less in their hate like y'all. I don't come to Trinity Seven nor Charlotte forums to shit on both animes, I may express a negative opinion here and there, but I respect the privacy of talking alone of Trinity Seven and Charlotte fans, something you're not doing with us Darling in the Franxx in our very own forum. This is not Anime Discussion, this is the very personal Darling in the Franxx forum. And also congrats for at least being in the right side of politics. Naxrrhid said: tlato_but said: I believe in free speech by the way, but I also believe that a balance of opinions should be made, you literally give thumbs up to negative reviews of Franxx, so do I with the positive reviews of Darling in the Franxx. If you wanna shit on a review, then you shouldn't do a review at all, there's no work invested, no explanation of the points that the MAL blueprints put, no consideration of other variables, just a regurgiation of the shit you made to keep Darling banished in a dungeon where it was banished. Again....., top reviews are community driven. Therefore if the MAJORITY of the viewers agree with a review, they will upvote it. So the majority of people agreed that Franxx was poo poo, and voted reviews that reflected the voice in their kokoro. Like, nothing needs to change. Yes, it needs to change according to the actual rating of Darling in the Franxx, which currently it's a 7,61. Average all the Top-4 and the mean will be below 4 if I'm correct. Reviews should be sustained with a certain basis theory on why Darling is a great/good/average/bad/shit anime, not spewing your bs. like you're doing. You haven't even mentioned to me why Darling in the Franxx is an actual "poo poo", I did it by the way. Or should I mention to you the actual mean of the Top-4 reviews of the animes that I mentioned to you above? Of Blend S? Or Net-juu no Susume? Or Wotakoi? Or Sora Yori? Or Slow Start? All of them have actual and correct reviews on why those series are what they are, not extremely negative bias that I saw here in the Top-4 of Darling. So should be start talking about the exceptionality of Darling in the Franxx in their concentrated hate for the anime? Naxrrhid said: ......"keep Darling banished in a dungeon where it was banished." Legit made me chuckle It's funny because it's true, you're not letting having positive opinions on the series. You keep pushing us to a corner where we can't express our opinions. Do you think it's normal. I was attacked a lot of times in other forums just because I like Darling in the Franxx. You say that you're a right-winger who hates SJW and PC, you (we actually) should know what actually it's online persecution. That's also a reason that I sympathise with the SAO fans. Naxrrhid said: tlato_but said: I guess that's even more ignorance and lack education from yourself because in Latin America, which is a few hours from your belowed country, we DO use the comma as a separation of decimals. Guess I can't expect too much education from non-ABC countries. I had no idea that was actually a thing, so I will give you that that was ignorance on my part. I just assumed everywhere in the world adapted to the scientific standards for numbers. If only there was an International Organization for Standardization (ISO) that governed this stuff. Oh well....., hopefully all the leading scientist and all round smart people in the world can come up with something. There was an actual resolution in 2003 by the IBWM that sanctioned that both, the comma and the dot are correct in the use for decimal separation: https://www.bipm.org/utils/en/pdf/Resol22CGPM-EN.pdf |
tlato_butDec 5, 2018 9:22 PM
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burntphoenix said: I do not recall nearly as much hate back then before the halfway point. Most of the reviews still gave it a 7 or 8 when I last checked around episode 14 or so. I've seen a ton of people change their scores due to the ending. I don't think so. I remember checking out the top reviews after episode 15 aired and was surprised to see most of the reviews being negative, most of them nitpicking on its drama, episodic structure for a mecha show or using subjective opinions as objective truths and filled with buzzwords which I didn't really consider anything other than snobby elitism back then. I remember seeing one positive reviewer in the top and he has not updated his review even after the show has ended. And even before the ending people have started to complain about the show and its writing decisions too. First was with how they ended all the conflict between the MCs and the rest of the cast with a swift time skip but even back then I didn't think people really bothered about it much back then. The diabolus ex machina trope and space escalation when the show only had 4 episodes left was another point people heavily criticised as well and when opinions started to change to the opposite side, even amongst the fans who gave it a positive review before. The ending may have been a final nail in the coffin. 'This was steaming shit from the start' people started to became louder and more obnoxious now as most of the fanbase now has a more ambivalent feeling towards the show and didn't want to confront anyone online with hours long comments wars over a show they had a love-hate relationship to begin with. Its reputation, I would say is somewhat a combination of SAO and Guilty Crown. Well I remember once reading on 4chan that there are 3 sins an anime can do- become popular, make writing decisions that even hard core fans wouldn't want and deliver an ending that most of the fans hate. Average forgettable shows only does one of them, good shows commit any 2 of them and terrible shows commit all three of them. Darling in the Franxx in my personel observation has committed all three of them. I can kind of understand why its so hated now. |
AriavartanDec 7, 2018 2:41 PM
| Just finished watching the series. I can see why ppl compared to neon genesis evangelion. Its an alright anime. the ending left much to be desired i guess. BUt i always knew it would be an ending like that i see talk of hope of a season 2. but i just dont see it. |
| Can't believe this thread is still alive after revealing the truth about Darling and why it has been constantly hated. Guess MAL still cares about DitF fans like me. Ariavartan said: I don't think so. I remember checking out the top reviews after episode 15 aired and was surprised to see most of the reviews being negative, most of them nitpicking on its drama, episodic structure for a mecha show or using subjective opinions as objective truths and filled with buzzwords which I didn't really consider anything other than snobby elitism back then. I remember seeing one positive reviewer in the top and he has not updated his review even after the show has ended. At least we're on the same boat as the Top-4 reviews of Darling in the Franxx are extremely negative, devoid of any facts and nitpicking every single negative trace of the show. Similar to ANN as I posted above. Note that those values are not entirely correct, especially the first ones, they're mostly speculative from what I remembered from each of those 6 shows. Ariavartan said: And even before the ending people have started to complain about the show and its writing decisions too. First was with how they ended all the conflict between the MCs and the rest of the cast with a swift time skip but even back then I didn't think people really bothered about it much back then. The diabolus ex machina trope and space escalation when the show only had 4 episodes left was another point people heavily criticised as well and when opinions started to change to the opposite side, even amongst the fans who gave it a positive review before. The ending may have been a final nail in the coffin. 'This was steaming shit from the start' people started to became louder and more obnoxious now as most of the fanbase now has a more ambivalent feeling towards the show and didn't want to confront anyone online with hours long comments wars over a show they had a love-hate relationship to begin with. Its reputation, I would say is somewhat a combination of SAO and Guilty Crown. That's correct, and that's why I compared SAO with Darling. Have to watch Guilty Crown to have a more informed opinion there. But there's a twist here, the Sword Art Online fandom is much more consolidated, because of its 7 years of age, and also they've got the benefit to get more positive media from a very strong arc this year called SAO: Alicization which is in an extremely high 8,14 for SAO standards, coupled with the entremesse of Ordinal Scale who also had very positive reviews, also by SAO standards. The Darling in the Franxx fandom, or what it's left of it, we still care about the show, we still debate what happened and we do want changes for the future. We hope that the manga can change the negative parts, since you've mentioned Ep-15, I'd say Ep-18/19, I don't remember actually when they did arrested Kokoro and Mitsuru. Here comes the biggest problem that we can't express our positive opinions on the show, like if it were like a taboo to support Darling. I've mentioned before this here, also mentioned that we need a reform of the review system to avoid these kind of cases that can literally keep away potential fans, did you know that I was victim in that part with SAO?: Which in fact here's the resume that I, as an avid Darling in the Franxx fan, felt when I voiced my opinion in favour of the anime: tlato_but said: Naxrrhid said: ......"keep Darling banished in a dungeon where it was banished." Legit made me chuckle It's funny because it's true, you're not letting having positive opinions on the series. You keep pushing us to a corner where we can't express our opinions. Do you think it's normal. I was attacked a lot of times in other forums just because I like Darling in the Franxx. You say that you're a right-winger who hates SJW and PC, you (we actually) should know what actually it's online persecution. That's also a reason that I sympathise with the SAO fans. As you've mentioned above, go find an avid Darling fan who's willing to be attacked from every front possible, but don't count me. Ariavartan said: Well I remember once reading on 4chan that there are 3 sins an anime can do- become popular, make writing decisions that even hard core fans wouldn't want and deliver an ending that most of the fans hate. Average forgettable shows only does one of them, good shows commit any 2 of them and terrible shows commit all three of them. Darling in the Franxx in my personel observation has committed all three of them. I can kind of understand why its so hated now. There's talks about a second season, by 2020 or 2021 by that matter. And many say that it'll have more connection with the manga, if they can branch out the anime since Ep-18 (Ep-15 for you), like the Oreimo way, there could be a rehabilitation of Darling in the possible future, similar to what is currently happening with SAO. |
tlato_butDec 8, 2018 5:31 PM
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| People can't even explain why it's bad. They just repeat the same buzzwords. Clearly we haven't watched the same show. Shame about future watchers that won't get to experience it first hand because the negative bias tainted the show's image. |
| lets just say it was good but it could have been much better, lets go point by point note: what you will be reading wrote by someone who acually enjoyed the show and gave it a 7 because enjoyement can blind you. main characters: that dude (what was his name again?) is lame af, he is your basic naive heoric lovely character that you see in pretty much every mediocore show out there. zero two make up for it a little bit, its a good character k? side characters: ichigo, guro are the best of the bunch tho they are still not that good. the annoying kid and the tsundere are generic af. the girl with white hair is lowkey a fucking hoe, she literally left the fat guy for the other one for no good reason. the fat guy is a pussy. the glasses girl is apparently a lesbian, wow! why haven't we see any signs of that the whole fucking show untill she kissed ichigo? its just so random. story: umm,well, its all over the place, its like they wanted to make it unpredictable so badly but they didn't have any good ideas, some episodes had interesting stuff but they were completely irrelevent to the story, example: the beach episode when they explored the ruins, that was really interesting but for some reason it feel like midway writing they said fuck it leave it like that and lets try something else. the ending was the worst of it all, its a verry good example of what not to do, they litterally ignored everything that the anime was building for, they shoved a bunch of new elements in our throats and it doesn't make fucking sence because the rout they went for needed atleast another season of building. animation: one of my biggest disappointements knowing that trigger can make some sick shit, have you seen kill la kill? the fights were amazing and kept getting better as the story goes on. for darling in the franxx it doesn't, they didn't even bother doing some good slowmo and shaking for impacts, the choreography look like it was made by a 5 years old kid, its always everyone doing some generic fights agains't the minions before zero two and that guy come to kill the boss easily, the side characters did help in some but they'r role is so insignificant. in short, they didn't bother putting any effort in them. again, i did enjoy the show but that doesn't mean i wont criticize it as it has to be. if i didn't rate it based on enjoyement but rather on fair criticizm i'd give it a 3/10. |
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AlphaN00b said: lagain, i did enjoy the show but that doesn't mean i wont criticize it as it has to be. if i didn't rate it based on enjoyement but rather on fair criticizm i'd give it a 3/10. You don't have to try so hard to fit in. If you liked the show just say you like it. If you didn't like it just give that score you think it deserves and say you don't like it. omoi11 said: I'm not quite sure why Ecchi isn't in the genres list. The show has about as much Action as Infinite Stratos, the plotline is garbage, and they focus an insane amount on lewd shots and fanservice. In my perspective, the primary genre of this show IS Ecchi. Very disappointing release from Trigger which had some of the more unique and charming concepts in recent anime IMO, and Darling in the Franxx is just a generic show that panders to some of the most boring tropes in anime. It has even less fanservice than Gurren Lagann so I don't understand what you are complaining. Also it is not a Trigger anime despite people memeing it to be one. |
AriavartanDec 16, 2018 10:05 AM
tlato_but said: At least we're on the same boat as the Top-4 reviews of Darling in the Franxx are extremely negative, devoid of any facts and nitpicking every single negative trace of the show. Similar to ANN as I posted above. Review systems are not meant to be perfect. Sites like MAL are extremely community driven. So even if a show is good, you can still see 1/10 ratings spammed by fans of another show because they don't like it when it overtakes theirs like how Gintama and FMA fans spam 1/10 reviews whenever their shows get overtaken by another show. Similarly a completely average and forgettable anime will get more positive reviews and ratings because it has a niche but dedicated viewership while vast majority won't even bother watching it(Just go check this video showing how MAL is biased and promotes completely forgettable mediocre anime as better than the popular shows because of this in here www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KjhptQmkRY). While popular franchises like Naruto and SAO attracts hatred and scathing undeserving reviews. But on the other side if we have critic based rating systems then its subject to the person's own biases and opinions. tlato_but said: That's correct, and that's why I compared SAO with Darling. Have to watch Guilty Crown to have a more informed opinion there. Well its another show that despite the fans telling to shut the fuck up and drop the show already, the critics and haters can't seem to and come in every discussion thread and tell the fans how bad it is and what terrible people they are for liking it, atleast back when it aired and was popular, now that most have forgotten it, people are more inclined to forgive it. Also the reaction to both their ending arcs(https://ibb.co/qxc6stK) are similar. tlato_but said: There's talks about a second season, by 2020 or 2021 by that matter. And many say that it'll have more connection with the manga, if they can branch out the anime since Ep-18 (Ep-15 for you), like the Oreimo way, there could be a rehabilitation of Darling in the possible future, similar to what is currently happening with SAO. Nah, I don't think there will be another season. It has killed off all the characters and destroyed the whole setting by the end. It only screams one thing from the creators-"I DON'T WANT TO WORK ON THIS SHIT ANYMORE!". |
AriavartanDec 16, 2018 10:30 AM
omoi11 said: I'll try to make this quick, Darling in the Franxx very noticeably tries to copy themes from Evangelion and Gurren Lagann, but fails to capture the magic of either, although the combat animated fairly nicely. Oh, let's start talking about the same buzzanimes called Neon Genesis Evangelion and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, it's always the same, always the same, as if it's actually a forbidden rule that Darling in the Franxx is explicitly forbidden to get inspired by TTGL and NGE. Says the person that literally doesn't have any of those anime on their list to make a comparison, as I made a review of DarliFra, I explicitly mentioned that I never based my review on Evangelion or Gurren Lagann because I haven't watched it. Oh, by the way, you didn't even watched Darling, I have no proof on MAL. I can also talk that many modern CGDGT are actually inspired by the lax atmosphere of K-On and the yuri-baiting of Yuru Yuri. Tonari no Kyuuketsuki-san is actually a weird mix of Gabriel Dropout, but with a culture clash of Demi-chan wa Kataritai. Harukana Receive is extremely close to Keijo! in the sense of the constant use of fanservice, but HR is much more subdued. Himouto Umaru-chan is very close to Oreimo with a very well behaved onii-chan and an annoyingly cute and perfect imouto. See that I can also play the game? omoi11 said: I'm not quite sure why Ecchi isn't in the genres list. The show has about as much Action as Infinite Stratos, the plotline is garbage, and they focus an insane amount on lewd shots and fanservice. In my perspective, the primary genre of this show IS Ecchi. Despite doing its best trying to be deep and establish meaningful relations, characters are overdramatic, glossed over, and fall into extremely common, predictable tropes and stereotypes. As a result, they just end up with a shallow fanservice show, because let's be honest, the only reason why anyone watches this is for 02 and the show relies on waifubaiting for its content. Let's also make a campaign to get Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha nominated as an ecchi anime, did you watched Vivid? Well, that's the same quantity of fanservice present in Darling in the Franxx, a beach/onsen episode with a pair of naked shots, and that's it. Basically, you're expanding the definition of ecchi. Oh, by the way, let's expand the ecchi genre tag for all the animes that feature at least a beach/onsen episode. omoi11 said: Very disappointing release from Trigger which had some of the more unique and charming concepts in recent anime IMO, and Darling in the Franxx is just a generic show that panders to some of the most boring tropes in anime. 1/10 As if generic is a mortal sin that shouldn't even be repeated, Blend S is generic as F. and nobody complains about that, Zero no Tsukaima is generic ecchi harem romance as F. and nobody complains about it, Kiniro Mosaic is a generic cute-girls-doing-cute-things as F. and still nobody cares about it. So why should everyone care about Darling in the Franxx being a "generic" mecha as F? Double standard of people who were brainwashed by the neo-marxist press like ANN that Darling in the Franxx is a s. anime like you're proposing. Why, person who only votes with the extremes of the ranking, should even dare to speak to more complete fans or not, while you even haven't watched modern Trigger like Kill la Kill or Little Witch Academia. |
| "What a Player, what a Champion here at Wimbledon, the first man to win 8 Championships." Andrew Castle on Roger Federer winning his 19th Grand Slam title. |
| It definitely doesn't deserve the really low scores, it's not the best Anime ever by any means but it's certainly not the worst either. I didn't even think the ending was that bad, it's a 7-8/10 not a 1 or 2. |
| I agree. I remember when it first aired and had great reviews but i always wait till a series is finished before i start it. I finally started this month and finished it earlier today. To my surprise the average score had fallen quite a bit. From the beginning to the end you can see what to expect from the show. I wasn't surprised by too may things at all. Did think that that redhead kid was an annoying crybaby though. Everything else seemed pretty expected with not much surprise but it wasn't an awful show at all. Seeing the score before watching the show though had me waiting for whatever awful thing happens for the show to just drop off like that. I waited all the way until the last episode. Nothing happened that was so awful like the animation turned into new Berserk or something. There's something wrong with people. I gave it a 7 because it was alright.I keep seeing people say "it was good up until XX episode then it got so awful". I don't get that. the tone was pretty consistent in being decent, not amazing, not awful, just decent. I skimmed through a bunch of the reviews on the page to see what their problems were with the show but it's all nonsense. Like they're literally all describing shows they have on their list themselves, but give this show a 1/10. It' makes absolutely no sense. All just pushing people away from a decent show for whatever agenda they are pushing. I really don't get why there's a "Helpful" button but not a "Not Helpful" button. Having one would be... helpful, but then again it'd be abused by the same people who hate on everything for no real reason. I agree with tlato_but on a few things. I don't read up on Anime news or anything though as i just don't care. |
| Yeah, I was expecting the ending to be a complete mess after everything I heard. But aside from the plot twist towards the end coming out of freaking nowhere, the show wrapped up alright, albeit somewhat rushed. |
| For as far as I know, MAL has always been like this. There's only like... 10 modern anime that have a score greater than 7 (steins;gate, for example). MAL is a pretty critical website that attempts to find the negative in everything, so, best advice is to not pay attention to the reviews. |
| It's pretty bad, yo. I'm on episode 18 and this is some seriously cringey shit. The first 15 episodes overall are okay. Some episodes are pretty bad, some are pretty good. But starting at episode 16 it does a complete nosedive. They shove in all this crap about making babies and getting married and it's the funniest thing ever. One of the characters basically just got cucked and it's supposed to be an emotional moment. It's awful lol. I'm aware not everyone cares about story structure or characterization, but that's exactly why a lot of people (including myself if you can't tell) think it's bad. We aren't rating it bad because we're big mean dummies like this guy seems to think: dc22 said: People can't even explain why it's bad. They just repeat the same buzzwords. Clearly we haven't watched the same show. Shame about future watchers that won't get to experience it first hand because the negative bias tainted the show's image. It's just really poorly written, has too many stupid ideas shoved into it, and gets really stupid at episode 16. |
| I watched until episode 8 and stopped for unrelated reasons but now i'm back at it, I hope it improves a bit after that because it's a bit sluggish, Zero Two really is THE star of the show and overshadows everyone but let's hope some of the other characters wll stand out a bit more. |
Animaniaig said: dc22 said: People can't even explain why it's bad. They just repeat the same buzzwords. Clearly we haven't watched the same show. Shame about future watchers that won't get to experience it first hand because the negative bias tainted the show's image. It's got terrible writing overall. Hiro is generic from the get go, Zero Two was interesting until the second half where they completely fail with her development and she loses the personality she had, it had the worst kind of fanservice imaginable romantic fanservice, Ichigo was essentially a plot device, it throws out almost all of the world building from the first half in favour of aliens the rest is then retconned by the final scene, most of the overall cast were boring as hell with no solid development. It was an absolute trainwreck. Hiro is generic and so is Zero Two, but the rest of the cast is brilliantly developed. Aliens was the plot from the get go, you just didn't get it. |
| When i was watching evangelion youtube videos, i watched too manys comment of how darling in the franxx is too much better than evangelion or it was the shittiest thing in the universe and i don't think this soo, the anime can be comparate to evangelion in his history or how the scy-fi is aplicated but in terms of personality is too much different. The anime as a romance, how the characters share on the show, the relationship of zero two and hiro took me too deeper and it was good and satisfacing moment while i was watching but the fanservice, the history and his explanation dont was not convinced me, it leaves much to be desired as a drama show. In my personal opinion this serie had to much failures but in spite of that i was captivated, it caught me and i love thot. |
| The show was already hated by the second episode (that the most viewers - including me, dropped it already), were the notorious ''sex-metaphor'' was first introduced (yes, I'm also ranting about the ''doggie style piloting'', lol), so no matter how much the show was improved in later episodes (despite the series writing remaining bad) the damage it did to its reputation was already disastrous, since no one could had taken it seriously anymore (aside the fact of being similar to so MANY previous mecha shows)! Note: If you want to know more about the co-called ''sex metaphor'', and why critics make so fuss about it, you can check in animenewsnetwork review about the first two episodes (and the reviews of all episodes in general about all those stuff that the show did wrong): https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/darling-in-the-franxx/episodes-1-2/.126720 https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=19850 |
giannis85 said: The show was already hated by the second episode (that the most viewers - including me, dropped it already), were the notorious ''sex-metaphor'' was first introduced (yes, I'm also ranting about the ''doggie style piloting'', lol), so no matter how much the show was improved in later episodes (despite the series writing remaining bad) the damage it did to its reputation was already disastrous, since no one could had taken it seriously anymore (aside the fact of being similar to so MANY previous mecha shows)! That's another problem I forgot to mention. Most of the designs for the Franxx are really stupid. The piloting mechanism is easily the dumbest thing in the show and the only dumber piloting system I can think of is the one from the episode "The Entity" of South Park. And that was a joke! Plus, the Franxx having faces and voices confused me too. What's the point? It's a waste of resources to give them faces. And why would the robots need to speak out loud? They can communicate to each other through the cockpit via some kind of comms system. You could argue the external speaker is a backup in case the comm system malfunctions, but making the mouths match what they're saying is stupid lmao. There's no tactical benefit to the feature at all. |
DiscoMilf said: Plus, the Franxx having faces and voices confused me too. What's the point? It's a waste of resources to give them faces. And why would the robots need to speak out loud? They can communicate to each other through the cockpit via some kind of comms system. You could argue the external speaker is a backup in case the comm system malfunctions, but making the mouths match what they're saying is stupid lmao. There's no tactical benefit to the feature at all. Yes, it was stupid and pointless! Perhaps the creators thought that by making it more ''cartoonish'' it will be more funny and more accessible to the younger viewers, but they make it so funny that we the adults couldn't even laugh with it! I understand the ''artistic value'' of that choice (I also enjoyed Gurren Laggan's and Killa la Kill's ''cartoonish'' nature, btw), but I seen no point when it doesn't affect the plot at all (especially in a show that it tries so hard to convince us to take it seriously)! And why the mecha's bodies, voices and faces match only the female pilot? Isn't the male pilot the one in charge? Now, Zorome was voiced his mecha in a few occasions, but hearing his voice in a body like Miku's, wasn't funny either, lol! |
giannis85Feb 14, 2019 11:25 PM
| Honestly, just glad it's over so i don't have to deal with is more fandom nightmares every week, ugh. |
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