| Ya'll bout to get fucked up. And by ya'll I mean mafiq of course, because ducking town would be counter productive I swear! He he... Woooo. Oh lawdy here we go again.. |
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| Disclaimers, I am on mobile because I sold my desktop for a pixie stick full of illegal substances and an impressively shiny fisher spinner, so this is awful and auto correct fights my cool kid slang every nudge of the way. I work 54 hours this week and smash just came out, this is pretty low priority. And lastly, despite what you all may be thinking, I am a mortal just like the rest of you, I am almost as humbled to be in your presence as you are to be in mine, despite what Jack may say, amen. |
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| RIP osie 12/19/18-12/19/18 Vote: _Wisp Obviously, best strategy right now would be massclaim. I know this is hard to believe, but I'm VT. |
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| So early in the game and already fakeclaims, tch tch. |
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abhutrash said: RIP osie 12/19/18-12/19/18 Vote: _Wisp Obviously, best strategy right now would be massclaim. I know this is hard to believe, but I'm VT. Trying to evaluate the pros and cons of such action. Do you have statistical data to back it up? |
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yurkin said: Given the setup, I estimate that if we all claimed, roughly 81.818% of players would tell the truth. This is not concrete given people can act erratically, however having that much of the game solved would be very beneficial for town.abhutrash said: RIP osie 12/19/18-12/19/18 Vote: _Wisp Obviously, best strategy right now would be massclaim. I know this is hard to believe, but I'm VT. Trying to evaluate the pros and cons of such action. Do you have statistical data to back it up? |
| @abhutrash Exactly what do you plan on reading into? vote: dono |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
| 81% of the players will do what? Claim being vanilla town, while the the other 19% won't? Does that make them scum? If only mountainous games were that simple |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
| Vote: yurkin |
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abhutrash said: yurkin said: Given the setup, I estimate that if we all claimed, roughly 81.818% of players would tell the truth. This is not concrete given people can act erratically, however having that much of the game solved would be very beneficial for town.Trying to evaluate the pros and cons of such action. Do you have statistical data to back it up? Let's start off this by, how could you tell who lies and who doesn't? Realistically speaking this is impossible to solve as anyone could say they are town and you have no means to prove it right other than lynch them (or NK them at night if you are scum) This man is suggesting we all massclaim our roles when we all have the same one, only difference is our alignment which is vanilla (goon for mafia case) which arises another question, why would they suggest such thing when it doesn't make sense? Friendly banter? Others may perceive so and ignore him because doesn't sound serious at all, is obvious, rather too obvious. abhutrash said: RIP osie 12/19/18-12/19/18 Vote: _Wisp Obviously, best strategy right now would be massclaim. I know this is hard to believe, but I'm VT. Therefore I have come to the conclusion, from my experience it's harder to be productive as scum because you have to pretend to be town and fake ''scumhunt'' so it's easier to try and blend in, pretend you are saying something even if it's absolutely pointless because you know, that will make you out of people eyes because you aren't doing anything especially scummy so why would people pay attention to you? That's what scum wants. I hereby declare this man as a scum, I suggest we all lynch abhu. I sense 0 town intentions from his posts, what town would gain from writing this banter? Absolutely nothing, only scum would benficial from posts like that. It's like you drop a food on the floor and you think to yourself ''3 seconds rule'' it's nothing right? Wrong! As soon it touched the floor, it already has disgusting bacteria in it. Same for abhu posts, you think nothing is wrong but don't fool yourself, he has already blended in as a scum. With that, pls lynch him, thank you. |
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| @karote who are you... seems like he's trying to catch slips or even flavor game, but the role pm for a dead townie is on the first page for an easy sample role pm, there exactly to prevent flavor gaming... |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
| @Doughkey @logic340 @Phraze @aa-dono @Bowie @Tingle @beeboy @Abhutrash @Karote @Yurkin Heres a question, if you had no other information outside of meta of an individual, who would you want to see be lynched, and why? My answer would be aa-dono, since she can be pretty manipulative, and as town shes more of a lurker, so lynching her is always better to me |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
_Wisp said: @karote who are you... seems like he's trying to catch slips or even flavor game, but the role pm for a dead townie is on the first page for an easy sample role pm, there exactly to prevent flavor gaming... Is that a rhetorical question or should I introduce myself? I'm Karote, I'm 20 years old guy, human (possibly), my birthday is on 14th June, I'm a Gemini and my chinese zodiac is tiger, I don't really have favorite food, in my free time I like to cycle and swim in the summer, when I get nervous I yawn a lot and when I was a kid, I once stuck my tongue in a frozen lamppost and it got stuck (during winter) it bled a lot when I forced it out so now it looks like few bits are missing. How would you suggest abhu is trying to catch slips? Obviously everyone read the setup, they've had a week or more to read it over and it even says on the thread title VANILLA MAFIA so I'm doubting any flavor gaming can be done here. And also what you said, so my question is why are you thinking it could be that when you know yourself well it most likely isn't and doesn't make sense? Why are you speaking for him? Did I catch your scumbuddy so you're speaking up for his defense? Is that it? or you're one of those people that comment on everything and have to give their opinion on stuff always and it comes natural. |
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| @karote Your comment addresses but it wasnt particularly a question, and if you end the statement, with, "we should lynch him", I will give my thoughts, I barely ever think of the consequences of my statements anyways. I am aligned with town anyways How you say? Easily, because sometimes, but not always, there are slight differences between role pms, even those that are just vanillas, particularly in the fact that, mafia vanillas, are for the most part called goons... and without the vanilla sample role pm, they might not have the same wording as someone who has the town vanilla role Lets say Trash does flip scum, does that equate to someone being scum, just because they defended him? That is a poor thought process, since as the minority, we are bound to make mistakes |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
| Also, if we are talking about early scum tells, In my opinion, pulling out detailed reasons early, I why someone can be scum, is more so done by scum, on par with the same reason why you are saying we should lynch Trash |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
| also, my question wasn't rhetorical, you placing such an early read on why someone has a high chance of flipping scum, so early, is weird coming from you, so its something for me to think about if anything, you and trash are never W/W, probably |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
_Wisp said: 81% of the players will do what? Claim being vanilla town, while the the other 19% won't? Does that make them scum? If only mountainous games were that simple _Wisp said: Of course my post wasn't trying to flavor game, you must take me for a complete imbecile, ugh.seems like he's trying to catch slips or even flavor game, but the role pm for a dead townie is on the first page for an easy sample role pm, there exactly to prevent flavor gaming... |
| @abhutrash then clarify what the point was, I'm open ears, and also answer my question that I pinged everyone in @karote same with you |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
| also Karote your opinion on trash is almost invalidated by the fact that you didn't vote him... if you believe your statement, then why arent you voting him? |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
_Wisp said: Point was really to just make a stupid quip with my RVS. I assumed that everyone would recognize it as such, since the game is even called "Vanilla Mafia" but hey, I'm happy it at least started some conversation early on.@abhutrash then clarify what the point was, I'm open ears, and also answer my question that I pinged everyone in As for your question, I'd pick Beeboy. Didn't like their town playstyle from the one game I played with them (Terraformars). Was pretty unhelpful in gamesolving, but hoping that was just a fluke due to how insane that game was. For the record, my answer would've been riku but he subbed out ;-; |
_Wisp said: Maybe everyone who's posted so far has been joking except you *thinking emoji*also Karote your opinion on trash is almost invalidated by the fact that you didn't vote him... if you believe your statement, then why arent you voting him? |
| id say there's about a 20% of one of the scum being in trash, and karote, from the posts I've seen so far @Abhutrash I think Riku is a lot easier to read then people give him credit for, so i wouldnt waste on a vote on him, even if he was being useless as for beeboy, hes a very analytical player imo, and not someone I'd push for a lynch day 1, but i can see how you feel that from his play in terraformars |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
abhutrash said: _Wisp said: Maybe everyone who's posted so far has been joking except you *thinking emoji*also Karote your opinion on trash is almost invalidated by the fact that you didn't vote him... if you believe your statement, then why arent you voting him? if so, what would be the purpose of joking? if anything its more closely related to the trope, that scum like to enter the game in a more comical manner, to break the ice, kinda building off Karote's opinion, but a different side of the spectrum of early scum tells |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
🌼 Vote Count 1.0 🌼 🍦 _Wisp (1): abhutrash 🍦 🍦 Karote (1): yurkin 🍦 🍦 aa-dono (1): _Wisp 🍦 🍦 yurkin (1): Karote 🍦 🍰 Not Voting: Doughkey, logic340, Phraze, aa-dono, Bowie, Tingle, beeboy 🍰 >>Day 1 Timer<< |
| I haven't read shit. I'm at work but will be active this evening. I'm just dropping by to vote: wisp |
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logic340 said: not much to read, interesting that you chose to not for go your typical vote for no lynch, and make me a train instead.I haven't read shit. I'm at work but will be active this evening. I'm just dropping by to vote: wisp So this vote was completely random? |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
_Wisp said: You are correct in that it can be an early scum tell, though I would argue it's dependent on the player. That said, Karote's post did read strangely to me as well; the main reason I'm semi-defending it is that I feel like you're taking things way too literally now. Pretty NAI knowing youabhutrash said: Maybe everyone who's posted so far has been joking except you *thinking emoji* if so, what would be the purpose of joking? if anything its more closely related to the trope, that scum like to enter the game in a more comical manner, to break the ice, kinda building off Karote's opinion, but a different side of the spectrum of early scum tells |
| @abhutrash Weird in what way? main reason I'm semi-defending it so my comment makes you think karate sounds better? sounds like a pocket, if you ask me |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
| Good evening everyone, I haven't played in over 2 years so might be a bit rusty (not like I've ever been very good) but bare with me. I fail to understand where those statistics come from. And what will you do if everyone claims? There are no flavor roles it's vanilla mafia so obviously anyone would be claiming town, and it will be as much as a shot of the dark. This move is something to take to mind for later. Why are you voting for yurkin then and not on abhu, or am i missing something?kinda hypocrytical as you're also basing your suspicion off of meta. I think it's still way too early to have any read on someone yet. 1st days are the worst in my opinion, it's just everyone voting based on meta reads and way too often a townie ends up lynched, I still don't like this tactic, but hey let's not start this discussion again, I understand that's how you get the game going. Vote: logic Curious what they have to say when they get back, might as well press them a bit. Edit: messed up my spoilers, guess my bbcode game is rusty too |
| @tingle I would say my RVS is less of an RVS and more of a serious vote, and pretty closely based on meta, yes, as well as my slight suspicion of Logic but my thoughts on Karote and Ash, come from scum tells, that I think are correct more than less of the time, but i still need more I do agree that day one lynches are somewhat of a shot in the dark, but i still want to be ok with the person im voting |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
| That's the longest post I've ever seen Karote make, lol. Plus, there's this convoluted flow of deductive reasoning. I'm chalking both of those up to be part of the joke, but the question is whether this is a joke Karote makes as town or one he makes as scum... _Wisp said: Uh, no? Your comment did nothing to change my opinion on Karote's post? I don't even know where you got this conclusion from, please don't put words in my mouth.main reason I'm semi-defending it so my comment makes you think karate sounds better? sounds like a pocket, if you ask me |
Tingle said: Setup is 9 town / 2 maf. If everyone claimed VT, then 9/11 (81.818%) would be telling the truth. yurkin asked for statistics so I complied, lol. As I've iterated already, the massclaim suggestion was a joke. Stinks that I have to spell it all out like this but whatever, hopefully someone got a chuckle out of the banter.Good evening everyone, I haven't played in over 2 years so might be a bit rusty (not like I've ever been very good) but bare with me. I fail to understand where those statistics come from. And what will you do if everyone claims? There are no flavor roles it's vanilla mafia so obviously anyone would be claiming town, and it will be as much as a shot of the dark. This move is something to take to mind for later. |
| That said, Karote's post did read strangely to me as well; the main reason I'm semi-defending it is that I feel like you're taking things way too literally now. this says otherwise, "the main reason im defending it, is because you are taking this way too literally, also do you think its good strange or bad strange? here it sounds like you are saying its bad strange, but it seems like you think the opposite large posts dont mean anything, even good posts dont mean anything, dont read off the quality of the post, only the content of course two people wouldnt be telling the truth... wtf lol, that doesnt provide us with any information... also tonally it didnt sound like a joke, but w/e, feels like you doubling back on that post now, and it looks worse Edit: Small Grammatical Fix, removed doesnt |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
_Wisp said: What I meant by "semi-defending" in that quote was that I was defending it not as a town post, rather I was defending against the weird literal stance you took towards it. If you read this with the context of the quote chain, this should be apparent. That said, Karote's post did read strangely to me as well; the main reason I'm semi-defending it is that I feel like you're taking things way too literally now. this says otherwise, "the main reason im defending it, is because you are taking this way too literally, _Wisp said: I'm leaning towards a bad strange.also do you think its good strange or bad strange? here it sounds like you are saying its bad strange, but it seems like you think the opposite _Wisp said: Cmon now, you're telling me that post length coming out of Karote didn't raise any red flags for you? As I already iterated, the length wasn't the only thing I found odd. I could do a play-by-play on the bizarre deductive reasoning, but I find that unnecessary at this point in the game and would like for people to draw their own conclusions regarding the post.large posts dont mean anything, even good posts dont mean anything, dont read off the quality of the post, only the content _Wisp said: That. Is. Part. Of. The. Joke.of course two people wouldnt be telling the truth... wtf lol, that doesnt provide us with any information... also tonally it didnt sound like a joke, but w/e, feels like you doubling back on that post now, and it looks worse It's like you've never heard of sarcasm before, it's baffling how idiotic you think I am. |
| I'm already annoyed and we're not even 12 hours in :/ This is gonna be a long game... |
| On a separate note: @Doughkey Hi, I think is the first time we've played together. Who on the players list were you excited to play with? Of those, who do you think has the strongest scum game and who has the strongest town game? |
| Think point of the joke was to sound serious, you know like a lawyer and its listeners. Wasn't I sleepy would have answered with impressive, simply impressive. Well, wasn't I sleepy I would've answered in serious manner and just as long in length. |
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_Wisp said: @Doughkey @logic340 @Phraze @aa-dono @Bowie @Tingle @beeboy @Abhutrash @Karote @Yurkin Heres a question, if you had no other information outside of meta of an individual, who would you want to see be lynched, and why? My answer would be aa-dono, since she can be pretty manipulative, and as town shes more of a lurker, so lynching her is always better to me Why did you decided to start the game like this? Is this game driving question or adding a question-like explanation for your own vote? Don't really have an answer, meta is not the first thing I think about entering a game. |
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| (should've said earlier and idk if I should post but.. I'll be replacing out. not feeling well. inb4 u worry about this slot) |
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_Wisp said: If you feel like people are showing scum tells vote on them, holding your vote on someone who're you're not getting anything from for the moment, won't help. @tingle I would say my RVS is less of an RVS and more of a serious vote, and pretty closely based on meta, yes, as well as my slight suspicion of Logic but my thoughts on Karote and Ash, come from scum tells, that I think are correct more than less of the time, but i still need more I do agree that day one lynches are somewhat of a shot in the dark, but i still want to be ok with the person im voting On that note, I'm glad that day 1 phase is 48 hours, as we're halfway into 24 hours and I have only seen the same 4 people or so responding. Inactive town is inefficient. It will only lead to unnecessary deaths of townies. abhutrash said: Hm. I like a little banter in a game, but it does need the right timing. Might want to find a better place and time to do so next time, as it might be working against you. Just helping a bro out.Tingle said: Setup is 9 town / 2 maf. If everyone claimed VT, then 9/11 (81.818%) would be telling the truth. yurkin asked for statistics so I complied, lol. As I've iterated already, the massclaim suggestion was a joke. Stinks that I have to spell it all out like this but whatever, hopefully someone got a chuckle out of the banter.Good evening everyone, I haven't played in over 2 years so might be a bit rusty (not like I've ever been very good) but bare with me. I fail to understand where those statistics come from. And what will you do if everyone claims? There are no flavor roles it's vanilla mafia so obviously anyone would be claiming town, and it will be as much as a shot of the dark. This move is something to take to mind for later. i'm going to sleep now but @logic340 what have you gathered after work? any input? i generally don't like placeholder messages saying people are too busy to respond for now added with a RVS vote. Way more often than I'd like it's a way for a scum to stay under the radar. Acting like they're participating in the game but not really adding much. |
_Wisp said: @karote Your comment addresses but it wasnt particularly a question, and if you end the statement, with, "we should lynch him", I will give my thoughts, I barely ever think of the consequences of my statements anyways. I am aligned with town anyways How you say? Easily, because sometimes, but not always, there are slight differences between role pms, even those that are just vanillas, particularly in the fact that, mafia vanillas, are for the most part called goons... and without the vanilla sample role pm, they might not have the same wording as someone who has the town vanilla role Lets say Trash does flip scum, does that equate to someone being scum, just because they defended him? That is a poor thought process, since as the minority, we are bound to make mistakes Prove that you're town aligned, otherwise they are just empty words and I don't know why are you throwing them out there, I will only townread you based on behaviour if you have such behaviour tho. I might soon start analysing posts and do my own read list, now I'm too lazy at the moment. Will see how exactly townie I think you are. You don't think of consequences of your statements, I wonder? Your mafia meta must be pretty shitty then if you never think what you say ;) I don't know if it's even allowed to do word from word role PMs, pretty sure not, that's dirty play. How did you came to such conclusion? abhu only said he wanted mass claim, not game mod of any sort. Altough this does fit that you never think about consquences of your statements. I wouldn't call this trait scummy but you can have 1+ townie points for me (You need 5 points to earn town read from me, everyone starts at 0) Yes, because then we can associate abhu scum with you. Of course that doesn't confirm you being scum but you'll be a suspect, it would be poor tought process if I immediatly read you as scum just based on that, I'm considering every possible detail. Of course people say scum tend to stay away from their own teammates and don't talk to each other usually but not always, as long the probability exists I won't overlook it so no, it is not thought poor process. It doesn't make you scum, it puts you slightly more up ahead in the list for being scum. What do you think of abu now that you had some sort of interaction with him? You can ignore all of the above. |
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Phraze said: Thanks for the alert.(should've said earlier and idk if I should post but.. I'll be replacing out. not feeling well. inb4 u worry about this slot) Hope you start feeling better soon Phraze <3 |
_Wisp said: @tingle I would say my RVS is less of an RVS and more of a serious vote, and pretty closely based on meta, yes, as well as my slight suspicion of Logic but my thoughts on Karote and Ash, come from scum tells, that I think are correct more than less of the time, but i still need more I do agree that day one lynches are somewhat of a shot in the dark, but i still want to be ok with the person im voting You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. You don't know my meta. |
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_Wisp said: Oh, I didn't see this. You've been consistently wrong about your reads on me. I don't know where you're getting this unwarranted confidence from xDbut my thoughts on Karote and Ash, come from scum tells, that I think are correct more than less of the time, but i still need more |
🌼 Vote Count 1.1 🌼 🍦 _Wisp (2): abhutrash, logic340 🍦 aa-dono (1): _Wisp Karote (1): yurkin Logic340 (1): Tingle yurkin (1): Karote 🍰 Not Voting: Doughkey, AlbertinoDias, aa-dono, Bowie, beeboy 🍰 >>Day 1 Timer<< |
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