| I always see the phrase, You can't criticize [insert type of media form] because it is hard work to make this. Do any of you guys use this phrase? as well as do any of you hate it when people use this phrase. What are your thoughts on this? not sorry if this topic has already been brought up before but like i never check the forums at all and have been seeing and hearing it a lot recently and its been getting on my nerves. |
I can respect effort for making something. Even Sonic 06 had a ton of effort put into it. I think this does not negate constructive criticism of said product though. |
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| The amount of work put into something does not make it immune to criticism. Say that you and I are painting a picture, but I use twice as much time as you and we end up with a similar result, does that mean that mine should be criticized less because I spent more time on it? |
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rohan121 said: I can respect effort for making something. Even Sonic 06 had a ton of effort put into it. I think this does not negate constructive criticism of said product though. Eh, I also hate the phrase, but 06 was rushed. It definitely didn't have as much effort put into it as it could have/needed. |
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| This is one of the laziest arguments one can come up with. |
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| It makes about as much sense as saying "but I put a lot of effort into my exam so I should get an A for it". |
 In case you are not aware this is an anime discussion BOARD. I wonder why are posting that shit here?! |
| The other phrase is: and how many stories did you wrote? You don't need to be a chef to know when you are eating something disgusting, the same with anime or other things. Common sense or personal taste pretty much say everything. |
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| That argument doesn't make any sense. Regardless of how much effort was put into something, it's still open to criticism. |
| Yeah.. like me attempting and putting effort to things just to fail. It would be stupid and condescending to just let something through for effort even if idea fails for like 100 fails. ..... So however much effort someone gives no matter to what. Still should receive both negative and positive feedback. Whenever it's positive or negative comment, they both can be used to make next thing better. But yeah.. too much criticism and constant negativity can get depressing. And once you drown in "bad" and no matter what you do still goes shit or receive constant criticism .. yeah.. eventually it will be simply "fuck my life". |
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| Yeah! People put lof of effort into Mars Destruction and Inferno Cop u cant criticize it... |
| Like my teacher from uni told me: it doesn't matter if you worked hard, you have to do it good |
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| It's just a lazy excuse when someone couldn't defend their opinion. |
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| I don't hate it...but I don't use it either. It's fair to criticize something. But it's always possible to make that criticism without sounding like you're condemning whoever is associated with it to hell. E.g. "This story feels disconnected at multiple points, suggesting a lack of proper focus", as opposed to "This story doesn't make any fucking sense and whoever wrote it is an idiot who sucks llama dick". Protip: Don't use hyperbole if you don't need to. Instead, learn the art of understatement. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| the real question is how many people actually respect AD rules? |
| I can respect hard work and I'll probably be respectful of as much when I perceive it. But it doesn't necessarily make me interested or make me like something, it just kind of is what it is. If it's hard work for something I dislike immensely, well, all power to them for putting their backs into it but I still fucking dislike it and I'm not going to act conciliatory for an intangible entity. |
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| Constructive criticism wouldn't even be a thing if this argument was accepted as valid. |
DaCraziGuy said: I always hit back with a "more then you bitch." and "learn some grammar retard"The other phrase is: and how many stories did you wrote? I also like to point out that it was a wasted effort. |
KuroudoAkabane said: DaCraziGuy said: I always hit back with a "more then you bitch." and "learn some grammar retard"The other phrase is: and how many stories did you wrote? I also like to point out that it was a wasted effort. Yes, 95 % of the times is pointless to talk back. |
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| It's a godawful phrase among other things because it's hypocritical (you can't defend something if you don't know how much of a hard work it is! Same logic), overprotective (if anybody in media thinks they are above criticism they shoud check their own ego first) and against the very nature of their works as something that should ellicit a sincere response from the viewers and not something that is conditioned by external factors. The worst is not when fans do it, though, but when the piece of media itself does by vilifying critics and putting itself as above everything. And it's not like you can't appreciate effort while also explaining why this effort is in the end futile or misguided. |
| Hmm, not that I entirely disagree with some of the sentiments voiced here, but couldn't one just as easily see such a phrase as being indicative of the generally low quality of anime reviewing that is going on? I mean, it does take some level of personal fortitude to read half the comments/reviews people write about anime before saying, 'I salute your neo-liberal fervour'. Because half of what people say about anime is just like listening to the pitch of a used-car salesman , the other half is just garbage. Basically, it's just not worth reading/paying attention to. So is it any wonder some might just respond to such sub-par commentary with a phrase like, "geeze, do you even know what key cel animation is? Or the 'squash-stretch principle'? Or, heck, about the regulatory bodies controlling distribution? You don't? So why are you trying to comment on them!?" -- or, to put it simply, "you do not know how hard it is the produce an anime". Not suggesting this is a universal truth, merely the expression should not just be read as a lazy one, but also an exasperated one. |
| Construction and inspection are two different fields. If someone can become a welding inspector without ever having done welding themselves then I see no reason why someone couldn't be a movie critic without having made a movie themselves. If you know anything about story structure and animation you can criticize anime even if you don't know how to make one yourself. |
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| Sadly, hard work doesn't always equal high quality. |
| I've seen that sometimes, but it's not very frequent. I guess most people realise how dumb of a statement that is. |
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xShinigami3125 said: It makes about as much sense as saying "but I put a lot of effort into my exam so I should get an A for it". shit this makes a lot of sense ima start using this if u dont mind |
Jaarin said: So is it any wonder some might just respond to such sub-par commentary with a phrase like, "geeze, do you even know what key cel animation is? Or the 'squash-stretch principle'? Or, heck, about the regulatory bodies controlling distribution? You don't? So why are you trying to comment on them!?" -- or, to put it simply, "you do not know how hard it is the produce an anime". okay i can agree with this in only certain circumstances. but for the most part the way u used it is different. Most of the people i know when they bring up stuff like that is actually criticizing the show for the low production value and such. |
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