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Nov 24, 2018 8:11 PM

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RealmOMFG said:
Aight so this is trending now I guess.

When you mentioned that:
Someone asked about Lily in /r/OutOfTheLoop and the post could reach the frontpage of Reddit for anyone to see (/r/popular).

https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/9zz153/what_is_going_on_with_lily_from_zombieland_saga/
 
Nov 24, 2018 8:44 PM

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I'm glad I am not the only one that didn't know she was a trans girl even after watching the episode lol. I thought i was an idiot

 
Nov 24, 2018 8:47 PM

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wow a lot of people getting worked up over a fictional character backstory not being to there liking.

"among monsters and humans, there are only two types.
Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others."

“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.”
 
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Lobinde said:
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The pattern from the bottom of the trans flag is blue, Pink, White, Pink, Blue. While her clothes were blue, Pink, White, BLUE. The color scheme is clearly different.


The message is clear even if the colours aren't in the exact same order. Stay in denial bucko
No you dolt, there is no message in this show. Keep your political shit off this show.
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Nov 24, 2018 9:17 PM

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STFU PLS, she/he isnt a fucking tranny. Also to the tard saying it's a pride flag, its missing some shit you idiot. Fucking hate when people try to push a political message into a show that has none.


why does it matter if they are trans? doesn't make it political.

people write characters for the sake of characters. its not like anime hasn't had them before.

look at shangiri la and gatchaman crowds.
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types.
Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others."

“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.”
 
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hazarddex said:
Botan-Chan45 said:
STFU PLS, she/he isnt a fucking tranny. Also to the tard saying it's a pride flag, its missing some shit you idiot. Fucking hate when people try to push a political message into a show that has none.


why does it matter if they are trans? doesn't make it political.

people write characters for the sake of characters.
people are making this political cause its a "tranny" (even though its not), and trying to shove useless lgbtq shit into the show.
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Botan-Chan45 said:
hazarddex said:


why does it matter if they are trans? doesn't make it political.

people write characters for the sake of characters.
people are making this political cause its a "tranny" (even though its not), and trying to shove useless lgbtq shit into the show.


really? i don't think anyone really making it political. honestly it feels more like your making this into a political issue.


oh god they interpreted it differently. not like this has happened with books, movies, tv shows, anime, etc since the dawn of time! HOW DARE THEY!

once again. its not like trans being in anime is even a new thing

"among monsters and humans, there are only two types.
Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others."

“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.”
 
Nov 24, 2018 9:26 PM

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Botan-Chan45 said:
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really? i don't think anyone really making it political. honestly it feels more like your making this into a political issue.


oh god they interpreted it differently. not like this has happened with books, movies, tv shows, anime, etc since the dawn of time! HOW DARE THEY!

once again. its not like trans being in anime is even a new thing

It's not a tranny tho you idiot. It's just a cross dresser you complete mong.

You seem to be taking this very personally for a piece of fiction.

There backstory left a lot up to interpretation. getting upset over people viewing it differently makes you better then them how exactly?
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types.
Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others."

“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.”
 
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Nov 25, 2018 12:09 AM

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This



Didn't know people like that existed in anime community as well...
 
Nov 25, 2018 12:45 AM

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I stopped thinking about looking for porn of Lily. Of course it had to happen to the loli. At least shota fans have their feminine trap.

Call me whatever the hell you want. I don't do male > call himself female = now female.
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Nov 25, 2018 1:41 AM
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Can I say both sides of the argument are being stupid? Like don't get me wrong I ain't caught up to the show, but this entire thing just drives me insane.

Note that the word "trap" while yeah it might be seen as a transphobic term (I believe it's not but details) the term is used for a character that seem to acknowledge their biological gender, but they are more into cross-dressing side, since they find those ways or looks cute or just adorable. This is mostly prevalent through a comedic fashion more often than not really.

The term "trap" doesn't really play around a specific gender identity or anything either, it's commonly seen as a trope/archetype than an actual identification in the anime medium particularly. An archetype is just a particular aspect to identify what the character is like in a general sense rather than basing off from characterization. It's a main basis.

A transgender would be someone that would identify as a different gender while being the opposite gender. Saying a female that identifies as a male, and vise versa.

While I can't say for certain since again I haven't caught up to the show, yeah it seems like it's pretty clear that she's a transgender considering even some of the people that knows Japanese are confirming that this is the case and in context of what I'm gathering here. Even as a possibility mind you.

An example of someone that is a Japanese individual:

https://twitter.com/xingtuxue/status/1066441735805562881 (this is just an instance here)

Hell the official twitter page decided to even confirm this indirectly themselves which a lot of people were trying to refute this argument by misconstruing the original translation of the conversations and then saying that CR is at fault.

Now with that in mind both sides are acting stupid on it's own because we are working up over people calling someone a trap... while people are getting worked up over the belief of Lily being a transgender... I guess I'm a little bit apathetic about it for a bit and besides I might need to check through the series and get it out but I want to address this by noting some stuff that I've noticed through some of the arguments people were presenting.

And personally it gets on my nerves because people tend to misconstrue these definitions of those words too. And just beating around like a bunch of maniacs all over the place, no offense.

Also @Botan-chan45

>Implying that there wouldn't be any connection to these things to even consider a possibility of Lily being a transgender.

I can't say for certain overall but the way you worded it and treated others' conversations comes off as a condescending person. You're just saying "it's a cross-dresser" and just leave it as a disregard. Equally, I think people are going too much with the transgender thing but it's not like people can't make a connection here. It happens. That's all I'm trying to say.

That's pretty much my main point and complaint here.
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Nov 25, 2018 3:27 AM
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I logged in to laugh at people thinking random colors in a scene mean something.

Also, it's a trap. You thought it was a girl, but you know it's not a girl. Deep in your heart, you feel it. As you breath your last breath, you will remember Lily and say "DAGA OTOKO DA". None of this LGBT thing matters, when a men's instinct say to you "I must run away, I was tricked".

 
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Botan-Chan45 said:
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But why? how does this hurt you? its a fictional character. they have there interpretations you have yours. no ones calling for your execution are they?

Neither side has proof that the other side is wrong. so what do you hope to achive by just being so easily triggered by other peoples interpretation?
So I can stop seeing idiots debating over a fucking chopping off a fictional penis.

God damn.

Look, there was an account that got tons of interactions yesterday on Twitter with people just swallowing their "facts" by saying that Lily wasn't a trans and the CR subs were spreading misinformation, posing as a Japanese native of all things. This kind of shit that was proved wrong from many fronts including actual Japanese people is not a personal opinion, it is something made in bad faith. Of course there is a debate on the term "trans" when some people and cultures do not even accept that it's a thing, some others would consider genitalia to be an all or nothing and etc. But some people are lying on purpose, are spreading misinformation using as always this "CR is full of SJWs who will ruin anime" thing to appeal to the gut of the more reactionary anime fandom, and are clearly aggressive towards the presence or the idea of a character being trans.

Having a trans character that is portrayed in a good or respectful way matters in the industry because it's a form of representation of a social minority that they don't often get in media. That's why a lot of people loved this. Nobody is forcing anybody to be happy with this. Some people are. Let them be. And if you don't believe that this character is a trans, it's your personal interpretation in the end, as long as you are being honest. Some people spotted "trans" as soon as the comments about puberty were made. I got the idea when Lily said "Masao was my old name". Some people didn't even see or interpret it like that. It's normal. And it's also normal that not everybody has the same definition of what being trans is and for instance they don't see a character as a girl if they are confirmed to have a penis. What can I do to convince them? Throw medical and legal concepts they just don't accept or see as valid due to their culture?

And with how difficult it is to reconcile opinions that don't even come from the same background, you then get people who are so annoyed and so bitter about some others liking the idea of a trans character that they have to make up an identity and a set of arguments to try to prove them wrong because apparently people being happy for what they consider good rep is a bad thing and should be eradicated from the fandom. Or as you do, throwing your usual "they want to insert politics in my anime!!!" paranoia and then proceeding to spread your word of God because you are angry about people interpreting things one way you don't and liking things in a way you don't accept.

Tl;dr you are a fucking idiot and lack self-awareness to a degree that I find very comical.
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Nov 25, 2018 3:55 AM

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I think being a trap is a bigger category, than what being a trans is, or even what a character's chosen gender or sex is for that matter. She's a trap, because her sex is not what the viewer percieved up to the point of the reveal.


By the little I know, Lilly CAN'T BE a trap.
A trap would be more like a cross-dresser. When busted would say, "yes, I'm a man". This is not what happens with Lilly. Lilly never says on implies, "yes, I'm still Go Masao", on the contrary, Lilly explicitly says "I'm not Go Masao anymore, I'm Lilly".
Go Masao was a boy.
Lilly is a little girl.
That's the thing with trans people and gender, it doesn't match with their biological gender.

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STFU PLS, she/he isnt a fucking tranny. Also to the tard saying it's a pride flag, its missing some shit you idiot. Fucking hate when people try to push a political message into a show that has one.


Transgenderism is more a fact of life than political.
Here's the thing dude, there's not really a message here, there's no politics. The one pushing politics agendas here is you, with your agenda against trans people, you see?
That's why this episode was so brilliant. Like I said it's fact of life, that's way this episode wasn't about a trans girl, it was the tragedy of a father and his lost child. When a story include trans characters, like I said again, it's because it's a fact of life, they're real, it's not necessary to push some sort of message that you may perhaps don't like.

The only doing damage here is you, and first on yourself, with all this hate and intolerance in you heart.
I pity you.
 
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Botan-Chan45 said:
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The message is clear even if the colours aren't in the exact same order. Stay in denial bucko
No you dolt, there is no message in this show. Keep your political shit off this show.


You sound angry because this show doesn't cater to your political tastes. I'd say keep your politics to yourself. :^)
 
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Botan-Chan45 said:
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really? i don't think anyone really making it political. honestly it feels more like your making this into a political issue.


oh god they interpreted it differently. not like this has happened with books, movies, tv shows, anime, etc since the dawn of time! HOW DARE THEY!

once again. its not like trans being in anime is even a new thing

It's not a tranny tho you idiot. It's just a cross dresser you complete mong.

Why isn't a crossdresser a political thing then? Men don't usually crossdress. :Thinkingemoji:
 
Nov 25, 2018 4:52 AM

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Thanks for convincing me to never watch this shit. Why is Japan obsessed with guys who look and act like girls?
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Thanks for convincing me to never watch this shit. Why is Japan obsessed with guys who look and act like girls?

To scare away people like you.
 
Nov 25, 2018 5:23 AM
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People sure like being shitty to other people. Fuck this:

Lily is a trans girl. She's not doing anything to entrap anyone. Stop thinking everything is about your dick. There's hentai for that. Want respect? Be respectful.

This post was a Trap, and the person who made it.

Seriously, does being a bully make you feel good? Is it fun? All the people triggered by Lily... Such snowflakes.
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By the little I know, Lilly CAN'T BE a trap.
A trap would be more like a cross-dresser. When busted would say, "yes, I'm a man". This is not what happens with Lilly. Lilly never says on implies, "yes, I'm still Go Masao", on the contrary, Lilly explicitly says "I'm not Go Masao anymore, I'm Lilly".
Go Masao was a boy.
Lilly is a little girl.
That's the thing with trans people and gender, it doesn't match with their biological gender.

I can respect that
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HeroicIdealism said:
Thanks for convincing me to never watch this shit. Why is Japan obsessed with guys who look and act like girls?

To scare away people like you.

At least, only the men of culture remain like this
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Thanks for convincing me to never watch this shit. Why is Japan obsessed with guys who look and act like girls?

Lily is girl tho, so don't worry about it
 
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Bernrika said:
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Thanks for convincing me to never watch this shit. Why is Japan obsessed with guys who look and act like girls?

To scare away people like you.


I'm not scared, I just think it's an abomination.
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HeroicIdealism said:
Bernrika said:

To scare away people like you.


I'm not scared, I just think it's an abomination.


Prejudice is an abomination.

People are what they are, and people like what they like. You can't take that? Then the problem lies on you. There's a lot of dumb harem you can check, instead of acting terribly towards others.
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AsukaHellsoldier said:
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I'm not scared, I just think it's an abomination.


Prejudice is an abomination.

People are what they are, and people like what they like. You can't take that? Then the problem lies on you. There's a lot of dumb harem you can check, instead of acting terribly towards others.


If I'm prejudiced against effeminate men who are generally obsessed with sexuality and self-victimization, then so be it.
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HeroicIdealism said:
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Prejudice is an abomination.

People are what they are, and people like what they like. You can't take that? Then the problem lies on you. There's a lot of dumb harem you can check, instead of acting terribly towards others.


If I'm prejudiced against effeminate men who are generally obsessed with sexuality and self-victimization, then so be it.


''If I'm prejudiced'' - You are, and it's no virtue.

''against effeminate men'' - One, trans girls/women and not effeminate men. And Two, what did effeminate men do to you? Is your hate without cause, as I suspect it is? Those who hate for no good reason are wasting their energy, and wasting our time.

''who are generally obsessed with sexuality'' - Trans girls actually tend to have lower libido. Funny, isn't it?

''and self-victimization'' - Having 40% of your youth trying to commit suicide, being killed in large numbers around the world, and having countries where it is legal to kill you for being part of the LGBT community, and large rates of rape against you, to say nothing about bullying by insecure men and women, is not what I'd call Self-Victimization.

''Then so be it'' - Wow... Some explanation here. You hate because you hate because you hate.

Is that Guts you have on the profile pic?
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AsukaHellsoldier said:
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If I'm prejudiced against effeminate men who are generally obsessed with sexuality and self-victimization, then so be it.


''If I'm prejudiced'' - You are, and it's no virtue.

''against effeminate men'' - One, trans girls/women and not effeminate men. And Two, what did effeminate men do to you? Is your hate without cause, as I suspect it is? Those who hate for no good reason are wasting their energy, and wasting our time.

''who are generally obsessed with sexuality'' - Trans girls actually tend to have lower libido. Funny, isn't it?

''and self-victimization'' - Having 40% of your youth trying to commit suicide, being killed in large numbers around the world, and having countries where it is legal to kill you for being part of the LGBT community, and large rates of rape against you, to say nothing about bullying by insecure men and women, is not what I'd call Self-Victimization.

''Then so be it'' - Wow... Some explanation here. You hate because you hate because you hate.

Is that Guts you have on the profile pic?


I'm sure you are prejudiced against certain things yourself. Everyone is judgmental. I am no social libertarian.

This thread is about traps which to my understanding are almost always if not always MtF. FtM is called "reverse trap".
I don't care if I'm wasting your time. This is an open forum and you and I both are deciding to waste our times posting.

Trans people sure love to talk about LGBT a lot, which has a whole premise based on sexuality.

We can argue statistics all we want, but I generally believe that trans people do this to themselves. It's a choice to transition.

I don't think promoting transgenderism as a positive thing is good for a society. If that is hate, then again, so be it.

Yes, it is Guts. If you want to point out that that is somehow contradictory or something, then good luck.
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HeroicIdealism said:
Thanks for convincing me to never watch this shit. Why is Japan obsessed with guys who look and act like girls?


I have to ask.
Does people really don't know that inserting your penis into the anus of your male friend was considered a very masculine thing in great part of the world since immemorial times?
Seriously, I'm not joking, I'm sincerely asking.

HeroicIdealism said:

If I'm prejudiced against effeminate men who are generally obsessed with sexuality and self-victimization, then so be it.


People may think about samurai as bastions of masculinity but fail to noticed that homo interactions wasn't ill-seen by them. Until very recently this was the ideal male relationship in Japan, Lilly wouldn't necessarily be seen as "effeminate".

The perceptions change with times, all this hate for homos looks very new to me.
It's funny seeing the "Greek World" revolted by the moral degeneration of the "Easterns", it's just ironic.
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HeroicIdealism said:
Bernrika said:

To scare away people like you.


I'm not scared, I just think it's an abomination.

>I'm not scared
>I WON'T TOUCH THIS SHOW WITH A 100 FOOT POLE
You sound pretty spooked to me.
 
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Bernrika said:
HeroicIdealism said:


I'm not scared, I just think it's an abomination.

>I'm not scared
>I WON'T TOUCH THIS SHOW WITH A 100 FOOT POLE
You sound pretty spooked to me.


Scared equals distaste, does it?

PaninaManina said:
HeroicIdealism said:
Thanks for convincing me to never watch this shit. Why is Japan obsessed with guys who look and act like girls?


I have to ask.
Does people really don't know that inserting your penis into the anus of your male friend was considered a very masculine thing in great part of the world since immemorial times?
Seriously, I'm not joking, I'm sincerely asking.


Slavery was considered to be okay. So, no, it doesn't refute my bias.

HeroicIdealism said:

If I'm prejudiced against effeminate men who are generally obsessed with sexuality and self-victimization, then so be it.


People may think about samurai as bastions of masculinity but fail to noticed that homo interactions wasn't ill-seen by them. Until very recently this was the ideal male relationship in Japan, Lilly wouldn't necessarily be seen as "effeminate".


They also saw suicide as being honorable and had little boy lovers. Your point?

The perceptions change with times, all this hate for homos looks very new to me.
It's funny seeing the "Greek World" revolted by the moral degeneration of the "Easterns", it's just ironic.


I have little admiration for degeneracy in either culture's history.
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''If I'm prejudiced'' - You are, and it's no virtue.

''against effeminate men'' - One, trans girls/women and not effeminate men. And Two, what did effeminate men do to you? Is your hate without cause, as I suspect it is? Those who hate for no good reason are wasting their energy, and wasting our time.

''who are generally obsessed with sexuality'' - Trans girls actually tend to have lower libido. Funny, isn't it?

''and self-victimization'' - Having 40% of your youth trying to commit suicide, being killed in large numbers around the world, and having countries where it is legal to kill you for being part of the LGBT community, and large rates of rape against you, to say nothing about bullying by insecure men and women, is not what I'd call Self-Victimization.

''Then so be it'' - Wow... Some explanation here. You hate because you hate because you hate.

Is that Guts you have on the profile pic?


I'm sure you are prejudiced against certain things yourself. Everyone is judgmental. I am no social libertarian.

This thread is about traps which to my understanding are almost always if not always MtF. FtM is called "reverse trap".
I don't care if I'm wasting your time. This is an open forum and you and I both are deciding to waste our times posting.

Trans people sure love to talk about LGBT a lot, which has a whole premise based on sexuality.

We can argue statistics all we want, but I generally believe that trans people do this to themselves. It's a choice to transition.

I don't think promoting transgenderism as a positive thing is good for a society. If that is hate, then again, so be it.

Yes, it is Guts. If you want to point out that that is somehow contradictory or something, then good luck.


Curiously, I am a Social Libertarian. That that does not harm a third-party is none of my business. Anyone bothered by this premise wants to control others... and hates being controlled. In my land, that's called hypocrisy, my friend. But sure, there is something I'm prejudiced against. I'll answer that question soon.

Trap, as I said before, says that they (the supposed traps) do it to get into your pants. There are so many holes with this logic, but I'll just mention one hole: So, what about ''traps'' who are attracted solely to women?

You wanna know why LGBT talk so much about themselves? I saw a guy and a girl grabbing each other in the subway once and almost f-cking one another there, and I also saw people insulting a same-sex couple for holding hands: They talk about themselves so much because people are hypocrites and treat them like shit. Leave them alone, and everything is cool.

Also, LGBT's premise is about Identity. Who they like, how they feel. It's people like you who make it just about sex.

Let's take that premise for a second: Let's imagine it really is a choice. Let's do that. Let's imagine it's as much of a choice as, say, being a Christian in Iraq:

''I really do believe that Iraqi Christians bring it to themselves. They wouldn't be killed by Islamist Terrorists if they didn't chose to be Christians.'' - Your logic in a nutshell, with the altered factor being Iraqi Christian instead of Trans. We can switch it up to Muslim in Central-African Republic, if you want.

Meaning: Persecussion based on ''choices'' that harm none other, is moral bankrrupcy.

Also, neurosciece and psychology already proved it time and time again that transgenderism is not a choice. I can brink articles if you want. Information on the subject. You give me the call, and I'm ready. What can YOU bring to prove that you're right?

Trans are gonna be trans, wheter you ''promote'' it (I thought it was called Tolerance or even Acceptance, but Okay'') or not. Also, proof about the potential harm, please. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

You have no proof. You have prejudice. It's not even that you just want to be distant from them. You actively hate their very existence. And again, what harm did they do?

It's just that I don't associate Guts, one of the greatest characters of all time, with random hatred.

Finally, to answer your question, as someone who was bullied for not being really sociable: I hate prejudiced people, people who think they are better than others, for no God-damned reason. Trans people are brave. Prejudiced people are not. You would probably twist in horror if you faced half of what they face. You take everything for granted, that's why you say what you say.

The burden's on you to prove Transgenderism, Homosexuality and Bisexuality are degeneracy.
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The burden's on you to prove Transgenderism, Homosexuality and Bisexuality are degeneracy.


I want a society where people are unified, genuine unity, not divided with diversity. Heterosexuality along with gender roles allows for healthy nuclear families and stable societies. There are many facets to what created a more depressed, divided society, but to keep it short and to stay on topic: the accepting of mental illness as totally healthy (transgenderism), accepting a lifestyle that generally does not lead to stable, long lasting relationships (homosexuality), that lifestyle of which is generally very promiscuous and hedonistic, does not lead to unified, happy, healthy societies. Homosexuality is one of many problems of which are acceptable by modern society. I have an even stronger distaste for heterosexuals who are promiscuous and don't have children when they can and who forgo love in pursuit of lust (sluts, both men and women). These are all degenerate. I want monogamous love and meaningful lives to reign supreme. LGBT's "love wins", however? It might as well be a codeword for "lust wins".

I can't be damned to respond to the rest of your post right now.
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So I can stop seeing idiots debating over a fucking chopping off a fictional penis.

God damn.

Look, there was an account that got tons of interactions yesterday on Twitter with people just swallowing their "facts" by saying that Lily wasn't a trans and the CR subs were spreading misinformation, posing as a Japanese native of all things. This kind of shit that was proved wrong from many fronts including actual Japanese people is not a personal opinion, it is something made in bad faith. Of course there is a debate on the term "trans" when some people and cultures do not even accept that it's a thing, some others would consider genitalia to be an all or nothing and etc. But some people are lying on purpose, are spreading misinformation using as always this "CR is full of SJWs who will ruin anime" thing to appeal to the gut of the more reactionary anime fandom, and are clearly aggressive towards the presence or the idea of a character being trans.

Having a trans character that is portrayed in a good or respectful way matters in the industry because it's a form of representation of a social minority that they don't often get in media. That's why a lot of people loved this. Nobody is forcing anybody to be happy with this. Some people are. Let them be. And if you don't believe that this character is a trans, it's your personal interpretation in the end, as long as you are being honest. Some people spotted "trans" as soon as the comments about puberty were made. I got the idea when Lily said "Masao was my old name". Some people didn't even see or interpret it like that. It's normal. And it's also normal that not everybody has the same definition of what being trans is and for instance they don't see a character as a girl if they are confirmed to have a penis. What can I do to convince them? Throw medical and legal concepts they just don't accept or see as valid due to their culture?

And with how difficult it is to reconcile opinions that don't even come from the same background, you then get people who are so annoyed and so bitter about some others liking the idea of a trans character that they have to make up an identity and a set of arguments to try to prove them wrong because apparently people being happy for what they consider good rep is a bad thing and should be eradicated from the fandom. Or as you do, throwing your usual "they want to insert politics in my anime!!!" paranoia and then proceeding to spread your word of God because you are angry about people interpreting things one way you don't and liking things in a way you don't accept.

Tl;dr you are a fucking idiot and lack self-awareness to a degree that I find very comical.
Jal stfu you monkey, go suck your tranny bf off. It's clear to me that i triggered you since you only write 4 paragraphs when mad.
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@HeroicIdealism I would be the happiest man alive, if half or even greater part of humanity perished, solving all problems at once, although I don't see why having more "nuclear families" producing children help anything in this situation.

Not that arguing on the internet would solve anything
 
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I think being a trap is a bigger category, than what being a trans is, or even what a character's chosen gender or sex is for that matter. She's a trap, because her sex is not what the viewer percieved up to the point of the reveal.


By the little I know, Lilly CAN'T BE a trap.
A trap would be more like a cross-dresser. When busted would say, "yes, I'm a man". This is not what happens with Lilly. Lilly never says on implies, "yes, I'm still Go Masao", on the contrary, Lilly explicitly says "I'm not Go Masao anymore, I'm Lilly".
Go Masao was a boy.
Lilly is a little girl.
That's the thing with trans people and gender, it doesn't match with their biological gender.

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STFU PLS, she/he isnt a fucking tranny. Also to the tard saying it's a pride flag, its missing some shit you idiot. Fucking hate when people try to push a political message into a show that has one.


Transgenderism is more a fact of life than political.
Here's the thing dude, there's not really a message here, there's no politics. The one pushing politics agendas here is you, with your agenda against trans people, you see?
That's why this episode was so brilliant. Like I said it's fact of life, that's way this episode wasn't about a trans girl, it was the tragedy of a father and his lost child. When a story include trans characters, like I said again, it's because it's a fact of life, they're real, it's not necessary to push some sort of message that you may perhaps don't like.

The only doing damage here is you, and first on yourself, with all this hate and intolerance in you heart.
I pity you.
>saying anime is real
LMFAO this is gold.
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@HeroicIdealism I would be the happiest man alive, if half or even greater part of humanity perished, solving all problems at once, although I don't see why having more "nuclear families" producing children help anything in this situation.

Not that arguing on the internet would solve anything


Good thing you are not in a position of power. If you were, we'd all be dead. I don't want mass genocide - nay, extinction.
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@HeroicIdealism dont try to argue with them. They spout "finally representation" because they feel attacked for saying they are a trap or "misgendering" them.
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Good thing you are not in a position of power. If you were, we'd all be dead. I don't want mass genocide - nay, extinction.

God, I wish I could do that for real.
Not the animals tho, they deserve way better.
 
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For those still in denial is good to point out that the anime made very clear what it was doing.





Oh no... I liked Lily so much...

 
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oryouohagi said:
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Good thing you are not in a position of power. If you were, we'd all be dead. I don't want mass genocide - nay, extinction.

God, I wish I could do that for real.
Not the animals tho, they deserve way better.


Animals are not as innocent as environmental misanthropes want to believe. The wild would turn a tame house cat into a ravenous beast, lest he isn't killed.
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what is with these bigots who are so obsessed with the sex of a fictional character. It can be a trap or trans or whatever she wants to be, it dosent affect anyone in any way. It seems like these bigots, want all people to be as miserable as themselves.

Anyway, This series is more unique now with the addition of a trans character, but it's too early to figure out whether it will go in a good or bad direction


 
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HeroicIdealism said:
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The burden's on you to prove Transgenderism, Homosexuality and Bisexuality are degeneracy.


I want a society where people are unified, genuine unity, not divided with diversity. Heterosexuality along with gender roles allows for healthy nuclear families and stable societies. There are many facets to what created a more depressed, divided society, but to keep it short and to stay on topic: the accepting of mental illness as totally healthy (transgenderism), accepting a lifestyle that generally does not lead to stable, long lasting relationships (homosexuality), that lifestyle of which is generally very promiscuous and hedonistic, does not lead to unified, happy, healthy societies. Homosexuality is one of many problems of which are acceptable by modern society. I have an even stronger distaste for heterosexuals who are promiscuous and don't have children when they can and who forgo love in pursuit of lust (sluts, both men and women). These are all degenerate. I want monogamous love and meaningful lives to reign supreme. LGBT's "love wins", however? It might as well be a codeword for "lust wins".

I can't be damned to respond to the rest of your post right now.


Whenever you feel like replying to the rest, I'll read it. But I must reply to this.

A false Unity that supresses the real Diversity. There are already a few names for that: Rwanda (The Rwandan Genocide of 1994), the Holocaust (whose victims include the Jews, the Roma, Handicapped and the LGBT among others), and Myanmar (the Rohingya genocide going on right now).

You see, the world is Diverse and always has been. And who gives anyone the right to try to change that? On the grounds of what?

Real Unity is obtained when you accept the differences. I have Asperger's Syndrome, and I cannot change that, no matter how much I tried. And I don't have to.

Likewise, Gender roles is basically saying that the woman should stay in the kitchen. So, when a little girl dreams of becoming a doctor, should she supress her dream on behalf of a False Utopia?

The real specialists, the psychologists, declassified Transgenderism as a mental illness. Assuming it ever were one, the only way for them to be happy would be to live the way they are. But the false Utopia that you propose does not give room to individuality.

There are quite stable relationships in homosexuality, and there would be many more if people stopped persecuting them. Try keeping a stable relationship fearing being fired for being gay, or becoming friendless and without a family for being gay. This Is What I mean with ''taking everything for granted''. You can't understand the persecuted. You have things they don't have, and you don't realize it. Nobody is going to kill you for walking out with your girlfriend. They can't say the same.

Finally, wheter you agree with them or not: People have the absolute right to control their lives. To decide to have children, and to do what they want with their bodies. It is their body, after all. You may find the choices questionable, but ultimately that does not invalidate anyone's humanity. Also, you'll need an Objective argument for why ''sluts'' are evil.

True Unity is Respect. You live your life, with the one you love. I live my life. Would you like your life to be dictated by someone's view of the world?

Botan-Chan45 said:
PaninaManina said:


By the little I know, Lilly CAN'T BE a trap.
A trap would be more like a cross-dresser. When busted would say, "yes, I'm a man". This is not what happens with Lilly. Lilly never says on implies, "yes, I'm still Go Masao", on the contrary, Lilly explicitly says "I'm not Go Masao anymore, I'm Lilly".
Go Masao was a boy.
Lilly is a little girl.
That's the thing with trans people and gender, it doesn't match with their biological gender.



Transgenderism is more a fact of life than political.
Here's the thing dude, there's not really a message here, there's no politics. The one pushing politics agendas here is you, with your agenda against trans people, you see?
That's why this episode was so brilliant. Like I said it's fact of life, that's way this episode wasn't about a trans girl, it was the tragedy of a father and his lost child. When a story include trans characters, like I said again, it's because it's a fact of life, they're real, it's not necessary to push some sort of message that you may perhaps don't like.

The only doing damage here is you, and first on yourself, with all this hate and intolerance in you heart.
I pity you.
>saying anime is real
LMFAO this is gold.


No substance and no maturity in your argument. And for someone who hates ''political commentary'' on your anime, you sure are filled with ''political commentary''. After all, you wouldn't hate an anime where the protagonist hates on a trans girl. You'd applaud it.

''Political Commentary'' means, quite simply, everything you dislike.

Spare me your Hypocrisy. Spare Us All from your A-R BS.
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Good thing you are not in a position of power. If you were, we'd all be dead. I don't want mass genocide - nay, extinction.

God, I wish I could do that for real.
Not the animals tho, they deserve way better.


Cool down. Mass Death is not the solution. Thriving is.
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HeroicIdealism said:
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God, I wish I could do that for real.
Not the animals tho, they deserve way better.


Animals are not as innocent as environmental misanthropes want to believe. The wild would turn a tame house cat into a ravenous beast, lest he isn't killed.

Oh, I thought you were serious, goddammit, bamboozled again.
And define innocent. I'm a nihilist apparently (笑)
 
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oryouohagi said:
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Animals are not as innocent as environmental misanthropes want to believe. The wild would turn a tame house cat into a ravenous beast, lest he isn't killed.

Oh, I thought you were serious, goddammit, bamboozled again.
And define innocent. I'm a nihilist apparently (笑)


If you're a nihilist, as in, life has no meaning, well... I don't like that philosophy, but it doesn't inherently have much to do with empathy for animals.

EDIT: 笑 means Lol according to Google translate. Am I missing your sarcasm or something?
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I want a society where people are unified, genuine unity, not divided with diversity. Heterosexuality along with gender roles allows for healthy nuclear families and stable societies. There are many facets to what created a more depressed, divided society, but to keep it short and to stay on topic: the accepting of mental illness as totally healthy (transgenderism), accepting a lifestyle that generally does not lead to stable, long lasting relationships (homosexuality), that lifestyle of which is generally very promiscuous and hedonistic, does not lead to unified, happy, healthy societies. Homosexuality is one of many problems of which are acceptable by modern society. I have an even stronger distaste for heterosexuals who are promiscuous and don't have children when they can and who forgo love in pursuit of lust (sluts, both men and women). These are all degenerate. I want monogamous love and meaningful lives to reign supreme. LGBT's "love wins", however? It might as well be a codeword for "lust wins".

I can't be damned to respond to the rest of your post right now.


Whenever you feel like replying to the rest, I'll read it. But I must reply to this.

A false Unity that supresses the real Diversity. There are already a few names for that: Rwanda (The Rwandan Genocide of 1994), the Holocaust (whose victims include the Jews, the Roma, Handicapped and the LGBT among others), and Myanmar (the Rohingya genocide going on right now).

You see, the world is Diverse and always has been. And who gives anyone the right to try to change that? On the grounds of what?

Real Unity is obtained when you accept the differences. I have Asperger's Syndrome, and I cannot change that, no matter how much I tried. And I don't have to.

Likewise, Gender roles is basically saying that the woman should stay in the kitchen. So, when a little girl dreams of becoming a doctor, should she supress her dream on behalf of a False Utopia?

The real specialists, the psychologists, declassified Transgenderism as a mental illness. Assuming it ever were one, the only way for them to be happy would be to live the way they are. But the false Utopia that you propose does not give room to individuality.

There are quite stable relationships in homosexuality, and there would be many more if people stopped persecuting them. Try keeping a stable relationship fearing being fired for being gay, or becoming friendless and without a family for being gay. This Is What I mean with ''taking everything for granted''. You can't understand the persecuted. You have things they don't have, and you don't realize it. Nobody is going to kill you for walking out with your girlfriend. They can't say the same.

Finally, wheter you agree with them or not: People have the absolute right to control their lives. To decide to have children, and to do what they want with their bodies. It is their body, after all. You may find the choices questionable, but ultimately that does not invalidate anyone's humanity. Also, you'll need an Objective argument for why ''sluts'' are evil.

True Unity is Respect. You live your life, with the one you love. I live my life. Would you like your life to be dictated by someone's view of the world?

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>saying anime is real
LMFAO this is gold.


No substance and no maturity in your argument. And for someone who hates ''political commentary'' on your anime, you sure are filled with ''political commentary''. After all, you wouldn't hate an anime where the protagonist hates on a trans girl. You'd applaud it.

''Political Commentary'' means, quite simply, everything you dislike.

Spare me your Hypocrisy. Spare Us All from your A-R BS.
When did i say i hate trans explicitly? God your too dumb for being a 20+yr old dude.
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HeroicIdealism said:
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Oh, I thought you were serious, goddammit, bamboozled again.
And define innocent. I'm a nihilist apparently (笑)


If you're a nihilist, as in, life has no meaning, well... I don't like that philosophy, but it doesn't inherently have much to do with empathy for animals.

EDIT: 笑 means Lol according to Google translate. Am I missing your sarcasm or something?

No, I meant that innocence is an obscure term defined by society, so it's not definite, thus an animal acting like an animal is at the end of the day just an animal acting like an animal. In other words, nothing is really innocent, if you don't accept the definition.
I used that emoji, because it's a kind of an embarrassing thing to say haha
 
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Whenever you feel like replying to the rest, I'll read it. But I must reply to this.

A false Unity that supresses the real Diversity. There are already a few names for that: Rwanda (The Rwandan Genocide of 1994), the Holocaust (whose victims include the Jews, the Roma, Handicapped and the LGBT among others), and Myanmar (the Rohingya genocide going on right now).

You see, the world is Diverse and always has been. And who gives anyone the right to try to change that? On the grounds of what?

Real Unity is obtained when you accept the differences. I have Asperger's Syndrome, and I cannot change that, no matter how much I tried. And I don't have to.

Likewise, Gender roles is basically saying that the woman should stay in the kitchen. So, when a little girl dreams of becoming a doctor, should she supress her dream on behalf of a False Utopia?

The real specialists, the psychologists, declassified Transgenderism as a mental illness. Assuming it ever were one, the only way for them to be happy would be to live the way they are. But the false Utopia that you propose does not give room to individuality.

There are quite stable relationships in homosexuality, and there would be many more if people stopped persecuting them. Try keeping a stable relationship fearing being fired for being gay, or becoming friendless and without a family for being gay. This Is What I mean with ''taking everything for granted''. You can't understand the persecuted. You have things they don't have, and you don't realize it. Nobody is going to kill you for walking out with your girlfriend. They can't say the same.

Finally, wheter you agree with them or not: People have the absolute right to control their lives. To decide to have children, and to do what they want with their bodies. It is their body, after all. You may find the choices questionable, but ultimately that does not invalidate anyone's humanity. Also, you'll need an Objective argument for why ''sluts'' are evil.

True Unity is Respect. You live your life, with the one you love. I live my life. Would you like your life to be dictated by someone's view of the world?



No substance and no maturity in your argument. And for someone who hates ''political commentary'' on your anime, you sure are filled with ''political commentary''. After all, you wouldn't hate an anime where the protagonist hates on a trans girl. You'd applaud it.

''Political Commentary'' means, quite simply, everything you dislike.

Spare me your Hypocrisy. Spare Us All from your A-R BS.
When did i say i hate trans explicitly? God your too dumb for being a 20+yr old dude.


You go straight to the insults rather quickly. I aced Philosophy and Geography, and was pretty good at Biology. Sorry to disappoint you on the Dumbness expectations.

By your use of trans slut like tranny on this thread, I think we're settled that at least you don't have much regard for them as human beings.
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oryouohagi said:
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If you're a nihilist, as in, life has no meaning, well... I don't like that philosophy, but it doesn't inherently have much to do with empathy for animals.

EDIT: 笑 means Lol according to Google translate. Am I missing your sarcasm or something?

No, I meant that innocence is an obscure term defined by society, so it's not definite, thus an animal acting like an animal is at the end of the day just an animal acting like an animal. In other words, nothing is really innocent, if you don't accept the definition.
I used that emoji, because it's a kind of an embarrassing thing to say haha


Oh okay, sorry, I just now realized that I misunderstood what you meant when you said "I'm a nihilist apparently". You were responding to me calling you an environmentalist misanthrope. I called you that because you seem to care for animals (though maybe that isn't exclusive to environmentalism, but I don't know a more fancy term for "animal lover" 笑) and you don't seem to like humanity (which is what misanthropy is). Nihilism means to believe that life has no meaning. So maybe you're all three: an environmentalist misanthropic nihilist. 笑 (now you have me using it! :P)

Anyhow, that is true, innocence is subjective, most things are, but I would argue that what we define as innocent for humans should also be applied to animals. I wouldn't say that a lion/tiger/whatever who hunts a baby gazelle is "evil" but I wouldn't call it innocent, either.
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@HeroicIdealism I would be the happiest man alive, if half or even greater part of humanity perished, solving all problems at once, although I don't see why having more "nuclear families" producing children help anything in this situation.

Not that arguing on the internet would solve anything


Good thing you are not in a position of power. If you were, we'd all be dead. I don't want mass genocide - nay, extinction.

Favorite person: Hitler.

Checks out.
 
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Bernrika said:
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Good thing you are not in a position of power. If you were, we'd all be dead. I don't want mass genocide - nay, extinction.

Favorite person: Hitler.

Checks out.


As a joke. I just found it absurd that he's on MAL.
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