| Video game loot boxes have been blamed for a "deeply concerning" rise in the number of children with a gambling problem. According to an audit by the Gambling Commission, the number of problem gamblers aged between 11 and 16 has reached 55,000, with a further 70,000 at risk and 450,000 children said to bet regularly. The findings noted that close to a million young people had been exposed through loot boxes in video games. https://news.sky.com/story/video-game-loot-boxes-blamed-for-rise-in-young-problem-gamblers-11559402 capitalism at its finest since loot boxes are designed to be addictive anyway just like gambling is |
| Fucking finally, we are seeing some progress. I hope to God EA and Activision are driven bankrupt because of this. |
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| This is to be expected. We already know some European countries are looking into the legality of these mechanics. From what I remember, some games have already disabled them in Beligium for legal reasons. I guess this is the same study Jim Sterling made a video about? |
| yes, and video games makes people more violent. Lmao |
| It's about time the loot boxes are linked to problem gambling, because they really are a form of gambling. |
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I think lootboxes are annoying imo. To a certain degree I think this is true and minors should not be able to gamble without restrictions imo. |
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| Good now quash it out like the cancer it is. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| i agree lootboxes are cancer but banning them is a stupid way to solve a gambling "problem" in kids. If youre loosing all your money very clearly and cant stop yourself you deserve to go broke. Only way youll learn. ironic considering this is coming from me ig... |
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| Except gamblers don't learn, they just lose everything they had. I have stopped playing those types of games that are pay to win or contain loot boxes, they have even infested top titles. |
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| How to these 11yo kids even pay for that shit? It's the parents fault if they pamper them so much they have enough money at that age to afford an addiction. Stupid people are more to blame for this than lootboxes, even when I don't like lootboxes at all. But I've played tons of games with them and never spent a dime on them. It's not that hard. Not to mention that kids that age should have no means to spend money on the internet in the first place ffs. Kasey said: 2mg said: i agree lootboxes are cancer but banning them is a stupid way to solve a gambling "problem" in kids. If youre loosing all your money very clearly and cant stop yourself you deserve to go broke. Only way youll learn. ironic considering this is coming from me ig... They're kids, they don't have any thinking abilities. Plus it's more of an addiction problem, the same with getting addicted to alcohol or smoking. I don't think you can compare gambling to actual, physical addictions that will give your body withdrawal symptoms. Whatever happened to, well, basic amounts of willpower to simply NOT do something? And it still leaves the problem of the parents enabling these addictions by providing the money since I doubt an 11yo is earning it for himself. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| It's pretty obvious the parents are the problem here. |
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| Maybe I'm an adult and want to gamble with those loot boxes. Here's a thought, little Timmy won't be able to gamble with anything if you stop feeding his ass money. Be a responsible parent. All that said, paid gambling in video games is such a terrible practice. |
2mg said: i agree lootboxes are cancer but banning them is a stupid way to solve a gambling "problem" in kids. If youre loosing all your money very clearly and cant stop yourself you deserve to go broke. Only way youll learn. ironic considering this is coming from me ig... so punish kids for not having developed higher thinking skills yet because there brains aren't fully develop? Pullman said: Oh pleaseHow to these 11yo kids even pay for that shit? It's the parents fault if they pamper them so much they have enough money at that age to afford an addiction. Stupid people are more to blame for this than lootboxes, even when I don't like lootboxes at all. But I've played tons of games with them and never spent a dime on them. It's not that hard. Not to mention that kids that age should have no means to spend money on the internet in the first place ffs. Kasey said: They're kids, they don't have any thinking abilities. Plus it's more of an addiction problem, the same with getting addicted to alcohol or smoking. I don't think you can compare gambling to actual, physical addictions that will give your body withdrawal symptoms. Whatever happened to, well, basic amounts of willpower to simply NOT do something? . the majority of children don't have that willpower. they are kids come on. those arguments are basic strawmans "it's the kids fault for being kids!" |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: 2mg said: i agree lootboxes are cancer but banning them is a stupid way to solve a gambling "problem" in kids. If youre loosing all your money very clearly and cant stop yourself you deserve to go broke. Only way youll learn. ironic considering this is coming from me ig... so punish kids for not having developed higher thinking skills yet because there brains aren't fully develop? either that or punish adults because kids have thinking skills that arnt fully developed ig... |
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| Anyone who spends a shitload of money on virtual objects is retarded |
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hazarddex said: 2mg said: i agree lootboxes are cancer but banning them is a stupid way to solve a gambling "problem" in kids. If youre loosing all your money very clearly and cant stop yourself you deserve to go broke. Only way youll learn. ironic considering this is coming from me ig... so punish kids for not having developed higher thinking skills yet because there brains aren't fully develop? Pullman said: Oh pleaseHow to these 11yo kids even pay for that shit? It's the parents fault if they pamper them so much they have enough money at that age to afford an addiction. Stupid people are more to blame for this than lootboxes, even when I don't like lootboxes at all. But I've played tons of games with them and never spent a dime on them. It's not that hard. Not to mention that kids that age should have no means to spend money on the internet in the first place ffs. I don't think you can compare gambling to actual, physical addictions that will give your body withdrawal symptoms. Whatever happened to, well, basic amounts of willpower to simply NOT do something? . the majority of children don't have that willpower. they are kids come on. those arguments are basic strawmans "it's the kids fault for being kids!" Pretty sure if you actually read my whole post I blame the adults, not the kids. But just in general I reject the idea of seeing physical drug addictions and solely psychological 'addictions' like gambling as the same thing. To me that's just common sense. But feel free to provide actual counterarguments instead of just ignoring most of my post and saying' think of the kids'. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| I mean you really can't blame beta cuck weebs killing themselves, bleeding to death just to get their FGO waifus |
| Inanimate objects being blamed for people's bad decisions yet again. If they wan children cease do dis, they need proper parenting. minors shouldn't have access to money to spend online at all. |
| The problem isn't lootboxes, it's shitty parenting. Lootboxes are to blame for maybe 20% of the effect, but I'd largely put the blame on the parents who let this shit play out in front of their eyes, or don't supervise their children enough to notice what's going on. 2mg said: i agree lootboxes are cancer but banning them is a stupid way to solve a gambling "problem" in kids. If youre loosing all your money very clearly and cant stop yourself you deserve to go broke. Only way youll learn. ironic considering this is coming from me ig... if you continuously jeopardize your own happiness by spending too much time online instead of going outside and making friends, you deserve to be depressed. If you let yourself be manipulated and intimidated by your partner, you deserve to be in an abusive relationship. If you can't stop taking heroin by yourself, you deserve to die of an overdose. |
| "my life at this state could be transposed into a pretty massive biography" - Cneq, "the guy who was literally using BTC in 2012 to make deals in the first main instance of a digital itemized economy forming naturally in all human history (also the precursor of NFTs) and who had 20k+ total trades.", 23 years old MAL's most prolific antivaxxer, Noboru. |
Railey2 said: The problem isn't lootboxes, it's shitty parenting. Lootboxes are to blame for maybe 20% of the effect, but I'd largely put the blame on the parents who let this shit play out in front of their eyes, or don't supervise their children enough to notice what's going on. 2mg said: i agree lootboxes are cancer but banning them is a stupid way to solve a gambling "problem" in kids. If youre loosing all your money very clearly and cant stop yourself you deserve to go broke. Only way youll learn. ironic considering this is coming from me ig... if you continuously jeopardize your own happiness by spending too much time online instead of going outside and making friends, you deserve to be depressed. If you let yourself be manipulated and intimidated by your partner, you deserve to be in an abusive relationship. If you can't stop taking heroin by yourself, you deserve to die of an overdose. agree on all fronts. If its a personal decision of course and not due to something else |
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2mg said: Interesting, usually people try to go the route where they claim that these are false analogies (they aren't), but you just rolled with it. I don't think that has happened to me before.Railey2 said: The problem isn't lootboxes, it's shitty parenting. Lootboxes are to blame for maybe 20% of the effect, but I'd largely put the blame on the parents who let this shit play out in front of their eyes, or don't supervise their children enough to notice what's going on. if you continuously jeopardize your own happiness by spending too much time online instead of going outside and making friends, you deserve to be depressed. If you let yourself be manipulated and intimidated by your partner, you deserve to be in an abusive relationship. If you can't stop taking heroin by yourself, you deserve to die of an overdose. agree on all fronts. If its a personal decision of course and not due to something else None of these statements make any sense unless you assume that people are 100% in charge of their own thoughts and decisions, but if that was true, heroin clearly wouldn't be such a big problem, and neither would be depression and abusive relationships. If this is just wishful thinking on your part, I suggest you snap out of it, because reality is a lot darker than that. People don't always deserve what's coming to them, even if they appear to be making the decision. |
Railey2Nov 23, 2018 10:05 AM
| "my life at this state could be transposed into a pretty massive biography" - Cneq, "the guy who was literally using BTC in 2012 to make deals in the first main instance of a digital itemized economy forming naturally in all human history (also the precursor of NFTs) and who had 20k+ total trades.", 23 years old MAL's most prolific antivaxxer, Noboru. |
| Video games are cancer and in 20 years those murder simulator will create a nation of killers. |
Railey2 said: Interesting, usually people try to go the route where they claim that these are false analogies (they aren't), but you just rolled with it. I don't think that has happened to me before. None of these statements make any sense unless you assume that people are 100% in charge of their own thoughts and decisions, but if that was true, heroin clearly wouldn't be such a big problem, and neither would be depression and abusive relationships. If this is just wishful thinking on your part, I suggest you snap out of it, because reality is a lot darker than that. People don't always deserve what's coming to them, even if they appear to be making the decision. im somebody who point A applies to im somebody and my best friend is too who point B applies to at least 10 members of my family are people who point C applies to idk what world you live in but these issues cant be fixed with sympathy or help. I had to force myself out of my comfort zone and finally man up to better my life. maybe this comes down to a matter of personal experience |
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2mg said: I figured that A might apply, that's why I used it first as an example.Railey2 said: Interesting, usually people try to go the route where they claim that these are false analogies (they aren't), but you just rolled with it. I don't think that has happened to me before. None of these statements make any sense unless you assume that people are 100% in charge of their own thoughts and decisions, but if that was true, heroin clearly wouldn't be such a big problem, and neither would be depression and abusive relationships. If this is just wishful thinking on your part, I suggest you snap out of it, because reality is a lot darker than that. People don't always deserve what's coming to them, even if they appear to be making the decision. im somebody who point A applies to im somebody and my best friend is too who point B applies to at least 10 members of my family are people who point C applies to idk what world you live in but these issues cant be fixed with sympathy or help. I had to force myself out of my comfort zone and finally man up to better my life. maybe this comes down to a matter of personal experience It doesn't come down to personal experience. People are demonstrably not in charge of their own feelings, and since feelings are strongly tied to actions, they are thereby also demonstrably not in charge of their own actions. Your line of thinking assigns total responsibility, which is extremely unreasonable. Total responsibility and blame only make sense when you're actually sitting in the drivers seat. Do you think that heroin addicts are in charge of their addiction and can stop any time they want to? You at least know better than that, right? I know where this idea of assigning total blame is coming from, though. People hate to accept the fact that the world isn't fair. They don't like the idea that sometimes bad things happen for no reason, and that often times people don't deserve whats happening to them. The extreme version of this mindset is saying that the 9 year old girl must've done something to make her 38 year uncle rape her repeatedly, but there are less extreme versions of the same mindset, such as the one you're displaying. Addicts totally deserve all that's happening to them, and so do depressed people. Not so. This is a rationalization, one that people frequently commit to to preserve their sanity. It's not the truth, though. As much as you want to believe it, and I know you do, making a big mistake at 17 and taking that first heroin-shot doesn't make you deserving of 10 years of suffering and a very premature and ugly death. And yet it happens. It happens all the time. |
| "my life at this state could be transposed into a pretty massive biography" - Cneq, "the guy who was literally using BTC in 2012 to make deals in the first main instance of a digital itemized economy forming naturally in all human history (also the precursor of NFTs) and who had 20k+ total trades.", 23 years old MAL's most prolific antivaxxer, Noboru. |
| Obviously. Casinos dont allow kids to play, and these mechanics should at least place a game into an adults only catagory. |
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Only_Brad said: yes, and video games makes people more violent. Lmao They cost real money. The games manipulate you to spend more. How is this not gambling? |
RafaelPereira97 said: Video games are cancer and in 20 years those murder simulator will create a nation of killers. These games have real gambling. They do not have real murder. |
| How is this a current event when we as humans already banned loot boxes in multiple countries for this very reason? A new article about an old event doesn't make it relevant again. Just means there was a deadline and not shit else to report. "Gambling causes gambling addiction." is literally the gist of this moronic article. |
| People who are prone to gambing are gonna be in the casino at some point anyways. I'm actual gambler who finally quit it and they are nothing like the thrill of an actual casino or even just walking into a gas station and trying something because it's about the whole experience. They're boring gambling to me that I would get more fun out of if I just bought some scratch off's and got into a little ritual about it, I mean at least that way I have a chance to win actual money. If you ever sat on a good digital slot machine especially by Konami (they really know how to design their games to be as entrancing as possible with the vibrant colors, smooth fast gameplay, and just the right amount of things going on) then you'd know that loot boxes will never cut it for an actual gambler. Yes they are gambling and those that get caught in loot boxes have tendencies to do so already but those others that take it a step further and go do some real gambling for money were going to do it anyways at some point. |
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| Loot box gambling is no where near as fun as casino gambling anyway. I can't buy hookers and cocaine with an Overwatch skin. |
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| As many people have already said, most of the blame should be on the parents. No little kid should have access to enough money where it would be considered a gambling addiction/problem. Don't give them a huge allowance, hide your credit cards, and monitor how they are spending the money you do give them. It's not that hard. |
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Tapertrain said: Only_Brad said: yes, and video games makes people more violent. Lmao They cost real money. The games manipulate you to spend more. How is this not gambling? Doesn't matter. Still blaming video games for something is laughable. |
| I don't understand how people get so addicted to these things tbh. I mean, they're virtual items... I guess having something that others might not have compensates for their ego. But in reality, it's not like they actually have the item they're wasting their money on. It's virtual lol |
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Drunk_Samurai said: Tapertrain said: They cost real money. The games manipulate you to spend more. How is this not gambling? Doesn't matter. Still blaming video games for something is laughable. That would be like if we didn’t blame slot machines gambling. Their is a reason why children are not allowed to do play in casinos. It is really important that parents understand that video game loot boxes are the exact same thing. |
Izuma-_ said: I don't understand how people get so addicted to these things tbh. I mean, they're virtual items... I guess having something that others might not have compensates for their ego. But in reality, it's not like they actually have the item they're wasting their money on. It's virtual lol The parents don’t know that a casino has been Trojan horsed into their living rooms. |
Tapertrain said: Drunk_Samurai said: Doesn't matter. Still blaming video games for something is laughable. That would be like if we didn’t blame slot machines gambling. Their is a reason why children are not allowed to do play in casinos. It is really important that parents understand that video game loot boxes are the exact same thing. Yes. It's called being against the law. The point is gambling in a video game doesn't mean that they would become real gamblers. |
Drunk_Samurai said: Tapertrain said: That would be like if we didn’t blame slot machines gambling. Their is a reason why children are not allowed to do play in casinos. It is really important that parents understand that video game loot boxes are the exact same thing. Yes. It's called being against the law. The point is gambling in a video game doesn't mean that they would become real gamblers. Gambling with real money isn't gambling if it's in a videogame? Lol Then what you do call video slot machines and online casinos? |
| The gaming industry is better off with EA, Activision and Bethesda. Fuck them. They can go to hell. |
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traed said: Drunk_Samurai said: Yes. It's called being against the law. The point is gambling in a video game doesn't mean that they would become real gamblers. Gambling with real money isn't gambling if it's in a videogame? Lol Then what you do call video slot machines and online casinos? "The point is gambling in a video game doesn't mean that they would become real gamblers." |
Drunk_Samurai said: Gambling in a video game is worse because you literally get nothing. You literally throw away money for virtual objects you wont even have access to in roughly 10 years. Just wait for a new Counter-Strike. I can't wait to hear people realize they wasted thousands on a $20 game.traed said: Gambling with real money isn't gambling if it's in a videogame? Lol Then what you do call video slot machines and online casinos? "The point is gambling in a video game doesn't mean that they would become real gamblers." |
| This would be a complete non-issue if parents simply wouldn't let their kids play on mobile devices with internet connections and credit cards linked to them. Also if parents would teach their kids how to responsibly spend money. As always, blame videogames instead. |
Milennin said: This would be a complete non-issue if parents simply wouldn't let their kids play on mobile devices with internet connections and credit cards linked to them. Also if parents would teach their kids how to responsibly spend money. As always, blame videogames instead. Gambling is highly addictive. It's banned in most states except on Indian reservations and the like. There are even special help lines to aid people in quitting. Kids today are more tech savvy than their parents. Would be rather hard to prevent in such a digital world. |
SpamuraiSensei said: Gambling is highly addictive. It's banned in most states except on Indian reservations and the like. There are even special help lines to aid people in quitting. Kids today are more tech savvy than their parents. Would be rather hard to prevent in such a digital world. There's a list of WTF's that must be checked to get a kid even to the point of getting to gamble in these type of games: -WTF kind of parent buys their kid a multi-$100 device without even knowing what it does? -WTF kind of parent lets their kid go on the internet and do whatever without ever checking on them? -WTF kind of parents links their credit card information to this multi-$100 device with internet access which they let their kid play on with a "what could possibly go wrong" mindset? I'm not saying that gambling isn't addictive, I just cannot comprehend how any half-decent parent gets their kid to play these games in the first place. Kids shouldn't be let on the internet without supervision from an adult, let alone be allowed to go on there with access to their parents' credit card. |
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