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| I hate the hundreds of gender bs, but some people use the term pansexual. |
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| This is generally an invalid argument because several occurrences happen in terms of terminologies being the same over years but development contradicts the original terminology. It is usually kept to coin appreciation towards the original person who made it up. But +1 for the effort, OP. |
| k, firstly gender does not equal sex and netiher of those equal sexuality gender = social/psychological construct sex = biological, physical body sexuality = gender/sex you are attracted to So you can be biologically male (sex) but feel that you are psycholoically female (gender) and be attracted to men (sexuality). |
| I personally don't believe that there are more than two genders. But if someone identifies as something other than male/female, I genuinely don't give two shits. It's not my life, it's theirs and I'll respect that with whatever pronouns. I mean, those who identify as non-binary are nor hurting anyone. It's seriously not that big of a deal to refer to them with certain pronouns, it requires 0 effort. The only thing I get pissed off about is when people get mad at me for assuming their gender when we just met. Like, it's fine to correct me, but don't get so defensive... |
| No, bisexual stands for two and sex as in two SEXES, NOT "two genders". If the word referred to gender then bisexuals would be called bigenderals, but they aren't, because people aren't attracted to "gender identities". People not understanding that the sex in bisexual refers to the two biological sexes (male and female) and not some gender BS is the very reason why there are idiots who claim they are pansexual or that lesbians must sleep with trans women because their penis is now a feminine penis. |
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| Sex redefined The idea of two sexes is simplistic. Biologists now think there is a wider spectrum than that. https://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943 - do note that nature is a very well respected science organization bisexual does not mean 2 genders but rather a bisexual person is both sexually attracted to males and females a like there is also the kinsey scale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale rating of 1-5 is bisexual Rating Description 0 Exclusively heterosexual 1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual 2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual 3 Equally heterosexual and homosexual 4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual 5 Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual 6 Exclusively homosexual X No socio-sexual contacts or reactions |
deg said: Intersex people are still male and female, they aren't a separate sex. Being intersex is also completely different from being transexual.Sex redefined The idea of two sexes is simplistic. Biologists now think there is a wider spectrum than that. https://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943 - do note that nature is a very well respected science organization |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: deg said: Intersex people are still male and female, they aren't a separate sex. Being intersex is also completely different from being transexual.Sex redefined The idea of two sexes is simplistic. Biologists now think there is a wider spectrum than that. https://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943 - do note that nature is a very well respected science organization biologists are saying sex is a spectrum now though so there are sexes between the 2 extreme side of male and female, just like how the kinsey scale acts like a spectrum for heterosexuality and homosexuality |
deg said: No, trans activists in biologists' clothing are saying that sex is a spectrum. Intersex people do not prove the existence of a sex spectrum, even less the existence of non-binary BS. https://twitter.com/mrkhtake2/status/1036307008318779395biologists are saying sex is a spectrum now though so there are sexes between the 2 extreme side of male and female, just like how the kinsey scale acts like a spectrum for heterosexuality and homosexuality |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
BlakexEkalb said: Yarub said: This is generally an invalid argument because several occurrences happen in terms of terminologies being the same over years but development contradicts the original terminology. It is usually kept to coin appreciation towards the original person who made it up. But +1 for the effort, OP. I mean if you would like to provide evidence over there being more than 2 genders go ahead. I'd also like you to find one biology scientist that actually has scientific evidence over this fact. Because as far as science tells, it'll always be 2 so the terminology is actually correct scientifically, but it's not correct if you're playing make believe million genders. I'll +2 ya if you are able to find real evidence. Where have I said that I would provide evidence for that? I just plainly said that your argument is invalid because it relies on the literal meaning of 'bisexual'. The basis of your argument is that bi means two, and people who advocate for multiple genders accept the term 'bisexual' and thus you say they admittedly contradict themselves. But this is not an issue, since terminologies in 'unscientific' realms tend not to be changed all that often. I'll +3 ya if you understand my post correctly this time. |
| Just say you believe in 2 genders and go. I personally don't have an opinion on this subject, it's just dumb on both sides. G8 B8 M8 NO H8 |
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| I can believe that there are 2 genders and still be pro-LGBT. On another note, have you ever heard of hermaphroditism, OP? Did you know that some organisms can change gender at will? I'd study some basic biology before saying ignorant things. Oh, and intersex people also exist. |
ExecCuteNov 20, 2018 1:49 PM
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ExecCute said: What does that have to do with anything?Oh, and intersex people also exist. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: ExecCute said: What does that have to do with anything?Oh, and intersex people also exist. I'm pretty sure those people are confused about their identities sometimes. |
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ExecCute said: And? How does that prove that bisexuality doesn't refer to "attraction to two sexes"?I'm pretty sure those people are confused about their identities sometimes. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: ExecCute said: And? How does that prove that bisexuality doesn't refer to "attraction to two sexes"?I'm pretty sure those people are confused about their identities sometimes. I never said anything about bisexuality. |
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ExecCute said: So what are you referring to then? What does "intersex people are sometimes confused" prove or not prove?I never said anything about bisexuality. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: ExecCute said: So what are you referring to then? What does "intersex people are sometimes confused" prove or not prove?I never said anything about bisexuality. I never said I believed in 2000 genders. But sometimes people can be both male and female, and also have identity issues/gender dysphoria. Also, what does gender have to do with being LGBT supportive? |
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| I believe in 3 genders. Kinda like I believe in 3 Sexualities. Hetero, Homo, and Bi. Bisexual may mean 2, however, I feel like bisexuals are more like "I like two or more" you know? Pansexual is just an evolution of what bisexual has always meant because people keep pointing out the bi in bisexual. The more appropriate way to explain it is homo (same), Hetero (different), and non-mono (meaning more than one). Third gender identification has gone on for a long time. It isn't new. There is Asexuality but that is kinda the none of the above option. Third gender can more than encompass varying not considered normal things from intersex to trans to just someone who crossdresses as a lifestyle. |
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ExecCute said: Intersex people are either male or female. Once again, what do identity issues and gender dysphoria have to do with anything?I never said I believed in 2000 genders. But sometimes people can be both male and female, and also have identity issues/gender dysphoria. Also, what does gender have to do with being LGBT supportive? Nothing. The "sex" in "sexuality" refers to sex. |
Comic_SansNov 20, 2018 2:18 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: ExecCute said: Intersex people are either male or female. Once again, what do identity issues and gender dysphoria have to do with anything?I never said I believed in 2000 genders. But sometimes people can be both male and female, and also have identity issues/gender dysphoria. Also, what does gender have to do with being LGBT supportive? Nothing. The "sex" in "sexuality" refers to sex.Definition of intersex= a person who is born with a combination of male and female biological characteristics, such as chromosomes or genitals, that can make doctors unable to assign their sex as distinctly male or female. People with identity issues/gender dysphoria sometimes transition. |
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ExecCute said: You don't understand the definition you're quoting. Read the twitter thread I linked to earlier.Definition of intersex= a person who is born with a combination of male and female biological characteristics, such as chromosomes or genitals, that can make doctors unable to assign their sex as distinctly male or female. People with identity issues/gender dysphoria sometimes transition. And? |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: ExecCute said: You don't understand the definition you're quoting. Read the twitter thread I linked to earlier.Definition of intersex= a person who is born with a combination of male and female biological characteristics, such as chromosomes or genitals, that can make doctors unable to assign their sex as distinctly male or female. People with identity issues/gender dysphoria sometimes transition. And?What are you trying to argue? I don't understand what's so unclear about what I said . |
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ExecCute said: Have you read the Twitter thread I linked to?What are you trying to argue? I don't understand what's so unclear about what I said . |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: ExecCute said: Have you read the Twitter thread I linked to?What are you trying to argue? I don't understand what's so unclear about what I said . I never claimed that sex was a spectrum? |
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ExecCute said: You claimed that intersex means both male and female. I answered that you don't understand what intersex conditions are and told you to read the Twitter thread I linked to.I never claimed that sex was a spectrum? |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: ExecCute said: You claimed that intersex means both male and female. I answered that you don't understand what intersex conditions are and told you to read the Twitter thread I linked to.I never claimed that sex was a spectrum? I wonder what the lady in the Twitter thread would say to this article. https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=84183 |
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ExecCute said: She would tell you that you don't understand the definitions you're linking to. Again, read the goddamn Twitter thread, because it's all addressed in there.I wonder what the lady in the Twitter thread would say to this article. https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=84183 |
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| bisexuality is primarily liking two genders but you can also be bi and focus on a broader spectrum, it kind of depends on the person and how they choose to label themselves pansexuality is more or less not giving a fuck for someone's gender identity which is different |
BlakexEkalb said: doesn't the B stand for Bisexual, as in 2 genders? . Is there any chance bisexual refers to the two sexes instead? |
Abayo said: YES! EXACTLY! FINALLY SOMEBODY GETS IT!Is there any chance bisexual refers to the two sexes instead? |
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| Sex is an umbrella term for what is determined by: Primary sexual traits Secondary sexual traits (what comes in at puberty) Chromosomes Internal sexual organs Reproductive function These can take multiple combinations. For example there are on rare occasions females born with XY chromosomes (which is what males normally have while females normally have XX) and they look like any ordinary girl inside their body and outside their body. If I recall right they are sterile in such cases. Then there is gender. Gender although can also mean sex it also is a thing in it's own. Gender is gender identity which is based off of gender roles. Gender roles are based on societal determined norms. These norms change over time and between cultures. Gender is not a material thing but an idea. The concept of many genders is due to a misunderstanding of social constructs. Instead of calling the binary sexes out as a phantasm rejecting the notion of gender it instead becomes a personal identity for some people because they don't feel they fit in traditional gender roles and want an identity to attach to it to affirm that further expanding the social construct. People like this aren't really that different from people that believe in two genders because none actually exist as physical things. Sometimes people also give gender a metaphysical property to it so it's like a difference in spiritual or religious views. |
Comic_Sans said: ExecCute said: She would tell you that you don't understand the definitions you're linking to. Again, read the goddamn Twitter thread, because it's all addressed in there.I wonder what the lady in the Twitter thread would say to this article. https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=84183 She never really explains how someone can be considered one gender when they literally have testicles and ovaries. |
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ExecCute said: She does. Also, it's sex, not gender.She never really explains how someone can be considere one gender when they literally have testicles and ovaries. |
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| bisexuals can be attracted to two or more genders, not that difficult i bet op thinks 'my gender is apache helicopter' jokes are hilarious |
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| Bisexual means that you are sexually attracted to both males and females. It has nothing to do with your gender identity. |
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| Soon bisexual will be a transphobic term and they'll have to change it ffs lmaoooooo |
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| Lmao the damage controlling this thread, just say it's an example of word evolution and call it a day with a semi-L. OT:Bisexual clearly refers to gender guys, calm down. |
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| I consider myself to be a bisexual, and I’m even beginning to start questioning my own gender identity but in all honestly a lot of the gender stuff hurts my head a bit. I haven’t done too much real research, I’m going off of my own feelings and experiences. I don’t fit gender role norms. I believe there’s female, male, or a non-binary label. To me, I’ve always believed that non-binary people are included under the bisexual attraction umbrella because they’re like the gray area of being both or neither female or male. Energetic-Nova said: I think this better explains what I’m trying to say. Bisexual ignores labels and is more focused on the actual sex of the person.I feel like bisexuals are more like "I like two or more" you know? Pansexual is just an evolution of what bisexual has always meant because people keep pointing out the bi in bisexual |
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Sex (biological), gender (psychological identity), and sexuality (sexual orientation, such as heterosexual or homosexual) are all different things. Bisexual falls under the latter category. It does *not* refer to gender identity. Here is what it actually means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexuality Bisexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or sexual behavior toward both males and females, or romantic or sexual attraction to people of any sex or gender identity; this latter aspect is sometimes alternatively termed pansexuality. A person can be bisexual regardless of whether they are male, female, non-binary, cis, trans, etc. For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation Oh, and I'll get to that other reply sooner or later. I'm real busy...heh. |
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juiccbox said: I consider myself to be a bisexual, and I’m even beginning to start questioning my own gender identity but in all honestly a lot of the gender stuff hurts my head a bit. I haven’t done too much real research, I’m going off of my own feelings and experiences. I don’t fit gender role norms. I believe there’s female, male, or a non-binary label. To me, I’ve always believed that non-binary people are included under the bisexual attraction umbrella because they’re like the gray area of being both or neither female or male. Energetic-Nova said: I think this better explains what I’m trying to say. Bisexual ignores labels and is more focused on the actual sex of the person.I feel like bisexuals are more like "I like two or more" you know? Pansexual is just an evolution of what bisexual has always meant because people keep pointing out the bi in bisexual People who try to split hairs with bisexual and pansexual really annoy me. I kinda feel like pansexual identity split is really about people questioning the bi meaning two thing. Which honestly has never been what the bisexual identity has been about. It has always been about not giving a fuck. Which is what the pansexual identity says and is more a clarification of what bisexual has always meant. I was seriously called transphobic for saying I was bisexual to someone who was about 5 years younger than me. Like if that is true than gay men are misogynist and lesbians are misandrist. |
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