My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected (light novel)
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Jul 9, 2020 4:45 AM
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npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. |
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Jul 9, 2020 8:45 AM
#52
cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? |
Jul 9, 2020 9:41 AM
#53
npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? |
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Jul 9, 2020 11:46 PM
#54
cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... |
npandeyJul 9, 2020 11:50 PM
Jul 10, 2020 3:10 AM
#55
npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. |
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Jul 10, 2020 4:03 AM
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cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... |
Jul 10, 2020 4:04 AM
#57
| Yukino Because she is pure, tries to change but couldn’t get past her abilities. |
Jul 10, 2020 4:24 AM
#58
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Jul 10, 2020 7:39 AM
#59
npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. 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Jul 10, 2020 10:53 PM
#60
cythraul said: npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. |
Jul 11, 2020 5:08 AM
#61
npandey said: Again, I am not siding with her unintentionally either. If anyone, I am siding with yukino and everything I have said is in her favor. You gotta understand that 8man helping her on vengence doesn't mean I am making manami to be a good guy, not even unintentionally. As far as question of helping goes, hachiman does it to those who mostly deserve it and even during culture festival arc, he did it for yukino not manami and the requests for sevice club are accepted by yukino, not hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. |
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Jul 11, 2020 8:40 PM
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cythraul said: npandey said: Again, I am not siding with her unintentionally either. If anyone, I am siding with yukino and everything I have said is in her favor. You gotta understand that 8man helping her on vengence doesn't mean I am making manami to be a good guy, not even unintentionally. As far as question of helping goes, hachiman does it to those who mostly deserve it and even during culture festival arc, he did it for yukino not manami and the requests for sevice club are accepted by yukino, not hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. That again proves that 8man is better....yes, requests are accepted by yukino, AND THE SHORT END OF THE STICK GOES TO HACHIMAN.......... and you probaably ignored it, but 8man helped BOTH yukino and minami in the cultural fest.......there was no reason for him to go so far in saving sagami's face if he was not helping her........ |
Jul 13, 2020 4:26 AM
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npandey said: I don't see how that makes hachiman better. He never helped manami to save her face, he just wanted culture fest to end without being ruined.cythraul said: npandey said: cythraul said: npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. That again proves that 8man is better....yes, requests are accepted by yukino, AND THE SHORT END OF THE STICK GOES TO HACHIMAN.......... and you probaably ignored it, but 8man helped BOTH yukino and minami in the cultural fest.......there was no reason for him to go so far in saving sagami's face if he was not helping her........ |
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Jul 13, 2020 4:46 AM
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cythraul said: npandey said: I don't see how that makes hachiman better. He never helped manami to save her face, he just wanted culture fest to end without being ruined.cythraul said: npandey said: Again, I am not siding with her unintentionally either. If anyone, I am siding with yukino and everything I have said is in her favor. You gotta understand that 8man helping her on vengence doesn't mean I am making manami to be a good guy, not even unintentionally. As far as question of helping goes, hachiman does it to those who mostly deserve it and even during culture festival arc, he did it for yukino not manami and the requests for sevice club are accepted by yukino, not hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. That again proves that 8man is better....yes, requests are accepted by yukino, AND THE SHORT END OF THE STICK GOES TO HACHIMAN.......... and you probaably ignored it, but 8man helped BOTH yukino and minami in the cultural fest.......there was no reason for him to go so far in saving sagami's face if he was not helping her........ what do you mean by any better.................he is already the BEST PERSON ON THE ENTIRE CAST............. Dont tell me that apart from yukino, you consider morons like yui or side charac. like komachi to be ahead of 8man? And he did help manami..........did you not see that he made himself out to be the villian.he is not so foolish to not know the results of his own actions.............but still he did that............and that whole "taking the blame" was neither for yukino, nor for the cultural fest....it was for sagami........ |
Jul 13, 2020 5:15 AM
#65
npandey said: I don't really see how yui or komachi has anything to do with the discussion. Hachiman helped manami(if you can even consider it as one) just so that she as the president of cultural fest committee could conclude that the festival was a success in front of students but she pussied out which meant that she did not have what it took to deliver the final speech which also meant that yukino's efforts would go to vain. Hachiman had seen how hard yukino worked for the sake of fest, even making herself sick in the process hence he acted just to help yukino. Hachiman actually never took blame, in fact sagami blamed him just so she could save her face because the only people who were there during their interaction were those two. Also for this act btw, he gets even more respect from his friends who are closer to him than other people.cythraul said: npandey said: cythraul said: npandey said: Again, I am not siding with her unintentionally either. If anyone, I am siding with yukino and everything I have said is in her favor. You gotta understand that 8man helping her on vengence doesn't mean I am making manami to be a good guy, not even unintentionally. As far as question of helping goes, hachiman does it to those who mostly deserve it and even during culture festival arc, he did it for yukino not manami and the requests for sevice club are accepted by yukino, not hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. That again proves that 8man is better....yes, requests are accepted by yukino, AND THE SHORT END OF THE STICK GOES TO HACHIMAN.......... and you probaably ignored it, but 8man helped BOTH yukino and minami in the cultural fest.......there was no reason for him to go so far in saving sagami's face if he was not helping her........ what do you mean by any better.................he is already the BEST PERSON ON THE ENTIRE CAST............. Dont tell me that apart from yukino, you consider morons like yui or side charac. like komachi to be ahead of 8man? And he did help manami..........did you not see that he made himself out to be the villian.he is not so foolish to not know the results of his own actions.............but still he did that............and that whole "taking the blame" was neither for yukino, nor for the cultural fest....it was for sagami........ |
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Jul 13, 2020 5:22 AM
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| 8man, easily. He's my favorite anime character of all time. I don't dislike Yukino at all, but Hachiman is a lot better than her as a character. |
Jul 13, 2020 9:36 AM
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cythraul said: npandey said: I don't really see how yui or komachi has anything to do with the discussion. Hachiman helped manami(if you can even consider it as one) just so that she as the president of cultural fest committee could conclude that the festival was a success in front of students but she pussied out which meant that she did not have what it took to deliver the final speech which also meant that yukino's efforts would go to vain. Hachiman had seen how hard yukino worked for the sake of fest, even making herself sick in the process hence he acted just to help yukino. Hachiman actually never took blame, in fact sagami blamed him just so she could save her face because the only people who were there during their interaction were those two. Also for this act btw, he gets even more respect from his friends who are closer to him than other people.cythraul said: npandey said: I don't see how that makes hachiman better. He never helped manami to save her face, he just wanted culture fest to end without being ruined.cythraul said: npandey said: Again, I am not siding with her unintentionally either. If anyone, I am siding with yukino and everything I have said is in her favor. You gotta understand that 8man helping her on vengence doesn't mean I am making manami to be a good guy, not even unintentionally. As far as question of helping goes, hachiman does it to those who mostly deserve it and even during culture festival arc, he did it for yukino not manami and the requests for sevice club are accepted by yukino, not hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. That again proves that 8man is better....yes, requests are accepted by yukino, AND THE SHORT END OF THE STICK GOES TO HACHIMAN.......... and you probaably ignored it, but 8man helped BOTH yukino and minami in the cultural fest.......there was no reason for him to go so far in saving sagami's face if he was not helping her........ what do you mean by any better.................he is already the BEST PERSON ON THE ENTIRE CAST............. Dont tell me that apart from yukino, you consider morons like yui or side charac. like komachi to be ahead of 8man? And he did help manami..........did you not see that he made himself out to be the villian.he is not so foolish to not know the results of his own actions.............but still he did that............and that whole "taking the blame" was neither for yukino, nor for the cultural fest....it was for sagami........ HEY BUDDY,DID WE EVEN WATCH THE SAME THING? HACHIMAN WAS THE ONE WHO STARTS BERATING SAGAMI, EVEN THOUGH HE COULD SWEETTALK HER.........................SAGAMI IS THE REASON 8MAN TOOK THE BLAME, BUT SHE NEVER STARTED THE BLAME............CAN YOU SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT SAGAMI STARTED THE BLAMING THING???? and why are you so focused on saying that 8man only helped yukino or only wanted to help yukino....................LISTEN HERE, THE GREATEST REASON I LIKE 8MAN IS BECAUSE HE DOES NOT ACT LIKE THOSE STUPID CHIVALROUS DUDES(YOU WILL FIND THEM IN MANY ANIME....even more in bollywood or hollywood)......notable examples are- kirigaya kazuto, tatsuya shiba, almost every harem protagonist(there are exceptions), hewajima shizuo.............. ALl of these morons are the ones who help and protect one single girl(or a harem) and keep increasing their points by PROTECTING one stupid damsel, who keeps acting bitchy, and treats these white knights with a rude behaviour, either directly(kirino kousaka, louise the zero, ayano kannagi) or indirectly(YUKINOSHITA YUKINO IS THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE.......MIND YOU, IAM NOT NAMING HER JUST BECAUSE OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... As time passes, these damsels realize the "kindness" of these white knights, and open up to them, fixing or not fixing their behaviour(apparently, some creepy weaboos like these kinds of traits....but that's another story....) 8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... His help is indiscriminate.................If he took blows for the sake of yukinoshita yukino, he never stayed back while taking them for tobe either.......He helped Tsurumi rumi, and even jumped for yui's Dog..........He did not back down to help hayama hayato, and also saved kawasaki's ass...........he helped ebina and sagami equally.........AND YOU ARE SAYING-"HEY 8MAN IS A WHITE KNIGHT AND DOES ALL OF THIS FOR YUKINO TO SHOW HIS STUPID "MANLINESS".....(i hate this word)............." No he does not..........not even once 8man try to become some white knight..............He is a Really kind person.......WAY WAY AHEAD OF YUKINO IN TERMS OF HUMAN QUALITY OF KINDNESS.....He just makes it like he did not do anything...........and he thinks of changing his methods(later in the show) BECAUSE YUI AND YUKINO WOULD FEEL BAD..........HE DOES NOT DO IT FOR HIMSELF....HE HAS DONE 100X MORE FOR YUKINO AND YUI HAN THEY HAVE DONE FOR HIM...................the only one who properly returned favors to 8man is zaimokuza(even komachi)......and he is the only one who has HELPED 8man considerable number of times, in various ways.......yukino and yui are behind right now.......and you say that a legendary characterlike 8man will be defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ |
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npandey said: >HEY BUDDY, DID....................................................................................THE BLAMING THING?cythraul said: npandey said: cythraul said: npandey said: I don't see how that makes hachiman better. He never helped manami to save her face, he just wanted culture fest to end without being ruined.cythraul said: npandey said: Again, I am not siding with her unintentionally either. If anyone, I am siding with yukino and everything I have said is in her favor. You gotta understand that 8man helping her on vengence doesn't mean I am making manami to be a good guy, not even unintentionally. As far as question of helping goes, hachiman does it to those who mostly deserve it and even during culture festival arc, he did it for yukino not manami and the requests for sevice club are accepted by yukino, not hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. That again proves that 8man is better....yes, requests are accepted by yukino, AND THE SHORT END OF THE STICK GOES TO HACHIMAN.......... and you probaably ignored it, but 8man helped BOTH yukino and minami in the cultural fest.......there was no reason for him to go so far in saving sagami's face if he was not helping her........ what do you mean by any better.................he is already the BEST PERSON ON THE ENTIRE CAST............. Dont tell me that apart from yukino, you consider morons like yui or side charac. like komachi to be ahead of 8man? And he did help manami..........did you not see that he made himself out to be the villian.he is not so foolish to not know the results of his own actions.............but still he did that............and that whole "taking the blame" was neither for yukino, nor for the cultural fest....it was for sagami........ HEY BUDDY,DID WE EVEN WATCH THE SAME THING? HACHIMAN WAS THE ONE WHO STARTS BERATING SAGAMI, EVEN THOUGH HE COULD SWEETTALK HER.........................SAGAMI IS THE REASON 8MAN TOOK THE BLAME, BUT SHE NEVER STARTED THE BLAME............CAN YOU SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT SAGAMI STARTED THE BLAMING THING???? and why are you so focused on saying that 8man only helped yukino or only wanted to help yukino....................LISTEN HERE, THE GREATEST REASON I LIKE 8MAN IS BECAUSE HE DOES NOT ACT LIKE THOSE STUPID CHIVALROUS DUDES(YOU WILL FIND THEM IN MANY ANIME....even more in bollywood or hollywood)......notable examples are- kirigaya kazuto, tatsuya shiba, almost every harem protagonist(there are exceptions), hewajima shizuo.............. ALl of these morons are the ones who help and protect one single girl(or a harem) and keep increasing their points by PROTECTING one stupid damsel, who keeps acting bitchy, and treats these white knights with a rude behaviour, either directly(kirino kousaka, louise the zero, ayano kannagi) or indirectly(YUKINOSHITA YUKINO IS THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE.......MIND YOU, IAM NOT NAMING HER JUST BECAUSE OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... As time passes, these damsels realize the "kindness" of these white knights, and open up to them, fixing or not fixing their behaviour(apparently, some creepy weaboos like these kinds of traits....but that's another story....) 8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... His help is indiscriminate.................If he took blows for the sake of yukinoshita yukino, he never stayed back while taking them for tobe either.......He helped Tsurumi rumi, and even jumped for yui's Dog..........He did not back down to help hayama hayato, and also saved kawasaki's ass...........he helped ebina and sagami equally.........AND YOU ARE SAYING-"HEY 8MAN IS A WHITE KNIGHT AND DOES ALL OF THIS FOR YUKINO TO SHOW HIS STUPID "MANLINESS".....(i hate this word)............." No he does not..........not even once 8man try to become some white knight..............He is a Really kind person.......WAY WAY AHEAD OF YUKINO IN TERMS OF HUMAN QUALITY OF KINDNESS.....He just makes it like he did not do anything...........and he thinks of changing his methods(later in the show) BECAUSE YUI AND YUKINO WOULD FEEL BAD..........HE DOES NOT DO IT FOR HIMSELF....HE HAS DONE 100X MORE FOR YUKINO AND YUI HAN THEY HAVE DONE FOR HIM...................the only one who properly returned favors to 8man is zaimokuza(even komachi)......and he is the only one who has HELPED 8man considerable number of times, in various ways.......yukino and yui are behind right now.......and you say that a legendary characterlike 8man will be defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ Of course the blaming thing wasn't shown in the anime and why the hell would hachiman go out of his way to take blame on himself. Everyone blamed 8man on what happened with sagami doesn't mean 8man TOOK the blame, it means he was blamed and sweet talk her? I said it earlier that if 8man wanted to help sagami, he could have sweet talked her because that is also the way but he chose the quickest method and that is because he wanted to get things done. >and why are you so..................................................................................... exceptions), hewajima shizuo............. 8man's intention was only to help yukino and that's a fact, you seem to have some delusion that 8man is this great altruist saint who helps everyone in need which is obviously not the case. As for yukino, she shows mirror to hachiman hence he always thinks of her differently than other folks and saying 8man cares for all is basically you guys making a saint out of him. >ALl of these morons are................................................................................OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... Again you are here saying that yukino is a damsel when she herself tries her best in her own way and 8man is multiple times luckier than yukino on a front that he doesn't have any family issues and has a caring imouto like komachi. 8man doesn't really have anything holding him back unlike yukino has and again yukino isn't some hopeless kid either, she has dealt with all of the bullshit on her own. It's just that as the time passes, she becomes bonded with hachiman and yui hence you would see her acting weak against her mother who is supposed to be absolute figure in yukinoshita household. Yukino gathers courage on her own btw. On the other hand, I must say that you have watched a lot of trashy protagonists that of course you'd think from the SAO or oreimo pov but you see, this thing called as 'friendship' is one of the center themes in oregairu and it does normally exist out of harem anime. >As time passes, these..................................................................................8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... Again wrong comparison, you are comparing apples with oranges. 8man isn't really any exception and he doesn't belong to the likes of kirito. If anything, 8man belongs to the band of 'introvert' protagonists like rei kiriyama or tomoko kuroki and even among those, he has weakest writing of all. >His help is indiscriminate...............................................................................defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ I never said 8man is a manly white knight(never even implied it) and perhaps you didn't really understand his character. You are thinking that 8man is an altruist saint when all he does is help other people out of obligation for his duties to the service club and sometimes out of kindness. I never said that he does everything for yukino, of course he does things for her but not everything and I remember that it was under service club the request of tobe and rumi. Hachiman is a kind person alright and I am not gonna deny that and perhaps on a spectra, his kindness does surpass yukino's but by no means it makes him a better character. Being kind isn't directly proportional to being good character(as in writing, not person) but even on that front, I must say that yukino is a really kind person herself. Yukino has her own strengths as a character which are different than 8man and I am not even bringing in her being an ideal waifu. Btw, I remember this thread about being "who do you like more?" instead of proving who is a better character. I don't really think of 8man as a legendary character and he is not even in my top 20 male characters meanwhile yukino is in my all time favorites(of course her being an ideal waifu has a big part in it). He has a weak writing among the introverted protagonists and kind characters. The only way he appears legendary is if you compare him with trashy isekai and harem protagonists because that's the pov you gave earlier and I couldn't even get past ep 1 of those shows if anything. |
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Jul 14, 2020 6:15 AM
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cythraul said: npandey said: >HEY BUDDY, DID....................................................................................THE BLAMING THING?cythraul said: npandey said: I don't really see how yui or komachi has anything to do with the discussion. Hachiman helped manami(if you can even consider it as one) just so that she as the president of cultural fest committee could conclude that the festival was a success in front of students but she pussied out which meant that she did not have what it took to deliver the final speech which also meant that yukino's efforts would go to vain. Hachiman had seen how hard yukino worked for the sake of fest, even making herself sick in the process hence he acted just to help yukino. Hachiman actually never took blame, in fact sagami blamed him just so she could save her face because the only people who were there during their interaction were those two. Also for this act btw, he gets even more respect from his friends who are closer to him than other people.cythraul said: npandey said: I don't see how that makes hachiman better. He never helped manami to save her face, he just wanted culture fest to end without being ruined.cythraul said: npandey said: Again, I am not siding with her unintentionally either. If anyone, I am siding with yukino and everything I have said is in her favor. You gotta understand that 8man helping her on vengence doesn't mean I am making manami to be a good guy, not even unintentionally. As far as question of helping goes, hachiman does it to those who mostly deserve it and even during culture festival arc, he did it for yukino not manami and the requests for sevice club are accepted by yukino, not hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. That again proves that 8man is better....yes, requests are accepted by yukino, AND THE SHORT END OF THE STICK GOES TO HACHIMAN.......... and you probaably ignored it, but 8man helped BOTH yukino and minami in the cultural fest.......there was no reason for him to go so far in saving sagami's face if he was not helping her........ what do you mean by any better.................he is already the BEST PERSON ON THE ENTIRE CAST............. Dont tell me that apart from yukino, you consider morons like yui or side charac. like komachi to be ahead of 8man? And he did help manami..........did you not see that he made himself out to be the villian.he is not so foolish to not know the results of his own actions.............but still he did that............and that whole "taking the blame" was neither for yukino, nor for the cultural fest....it was for sagami........ HEY BUDDY,DID WE EVEN WATCH THE SAME THING? HACHIMAN WAS THE ONE WHO STARTS BERATING SAGAMI, EVEN THOUGH HE COULD SWEETTALK HER.........................SAGAMI IS THE REASON 8MAN TOOK THE BLAME, BUT SHE NEVER STARTED THE BLAME............CAN YOU SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT SAGAMI STARTED THE BLAMING THING???? and why are you so focused on saying that 8man only helped yukino or only wanted to help yukino....................LISTEN HERE, THE GREATEST REASON I LIKE 8MAN IS BECAUSE HE DOES NOT ACT LIKE THOSE STUPID CHIVALROUS DUDES(YOU WILL FIND THEM IN MANY ANIME....even more in bollywood or hollywood)......notable examples are- kirigaya kazuto, tatsuya shiba, almost every harem protagonist(there are exceptions), hewajima shizuo.............. ALl of these morons are the ones who help and protect one single girl(or a harem) and keep increasing their points by PROTECTING one stupid damsel, who keeps acting bitchy, and treats these white knights with a rude behaviour, either directly(kirino kousaka, louise the zero, ayano kannagi) or indirectly(YUKINOSHITA YUKINO IS THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE.......MIND YOU, IAM NOT NAMING HER JUST BECAUSE OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... As time passes, these damsels realize the "kindness" of these white knights, and open up to them, fixing or not fixing their behaviour(apparently, some creepy weaboos like these kinds of traits....but that's another story....) 8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... His help is indiscriminate.................If he took blows for the sake of yukinoshita yukino, he never stayed back while taking them for tobe either.......He helped Tsurumi rumi, and even jumped for yui's Dog..........He did not back down to help hayama hayato, and also saved kawasaki's ass...........he helped ebina and sagami equally.........AND YOU ARE SAYING-"HEY 8MAN IS A WHITE KNIGHT AND DOES ALL OF THIS FOR YUKINO TO SHOW HIS STUPID "MANLINESS".....(i hate this word)............." No he does not..........not even once 8man try to become some white knight..............He is a Really kind person.......WAY WAY AHEAD OF YUKINO IN TERMS OF HUMAN QUALITY OF KINDNESS.....He just makes it like he did not do anything...........and he thinks of changing his methods(later in the show) BECAUSE YUI AND YUKINO WOULD FEEL BAD..........HE DOES NOT DO IT FOR HIMSELF....HE HAS DONE 100X MORE FOR YUKINO AND YUI HAN THEY HAVE DONE FOR HIM...................the only one who properly returned favors to 8man is zaimokuza(even komachi)......and he is the only one who has HELPED 8man considerable number of times, in various ways.......yukino and yui are behind right now.......and you say that a legendary characterlike 8man will be defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ Of course the blaming thing wasn't shown in the anime and why the hell would hachiman go out of his way to take blame on himself. Everyone blamed 8man on what happened with sagami doesn't mean 8man TOOK the blame, it means he was blamed and sweet talk her? I said it earlier that if 8man wanted to help sagami, he could have sweet talked her because that is also the way but he chose the quickest method and that is because he wanted to get things done. >and why are you so..................................................................................... exceptions), hewajima shizuo............. 8man's intention was only to help yukino and that's a fact, you seem to have some delusion that 8man is this great altruist saint who helps everyone in need which is obviously not the case. As for yukino, she shows mirror to hachiman hence he always thinks of her differently than other folks and saying 8man cares for all is basically you guys making a saint out of him. >ALl of these morons are................................................................................OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... Again you are here saying that yukino is a damsel when she herself tries her best in her own way and 8man is multiple times luckier than yukino on a front that he doesn't have any family issues and has a caring imouto like komachi. 8man doesn't really have anything holding him back unlike yukino has and again yukino isn't some hopeless kid either, she has dealt with all of the bullshit on her own. It's just that as the time passes, she becomes bonded with hachiman and yui hence you would see her acting weak against her mother who is supposed to be absolute figure in yukinoshita household. Yukino gathers courage on her own btw. On the other hand, I must say that you have watched a lot of trashy protagonists that of course you'd think from the SAO or oreimo pov but you see, this thing called as 'friendship' is one of the center themes in oregairu and it does normally exist out of harem anime. >As time passes, these..................................................................................8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... Again wrong comparison, you are comparing apples with oranges. 8man isn't really any exception and he doesn't belong to the likes of kirito. If anything, 8man belongs to the band of 'introvert' protagonists like rei kiriyama or tomoko kuroki and even among those, he has weakest writing of all. >His help is indiscriminate...............................................................................defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ I never said 8man is a manly white knight(never even implied it) and perhaps you didn't really understand his character. You are thinking that 8man is an altruist saint when all he does is help other people out of obligation for his duties to the service club and sometimes out of kindness. I never said that he does everything for yukino, of course he does things for her but not everything and I remember that it was under service club the request of tobe and rumi. Hachiman is a kind person alright and I am not gonna deny that and perhaps on a spectra, his kindness does surpass yukino's but by no means it makes him a better character. Being kind isn't directly proportional to being good character(as in writing, not person) but even on that front, I must say that yukino is a really kind person herself. Yukino has her own strengths as a character which are different than 8man and I am not even bringing in her being an ideal waifu. Btw, I remember this thread about being "who do you like more?" instead of proving who is a better character. I don't really think of 8man as a legendary character and he is not even in my top 20 male characters meanwhile yukino is in my all time favorites(of course her being an ideal waifu has a big part in it). He has a weak writing among the introverted protagonists and kind characters. The only way he appears legendary is if you compare him with trashy isekai and harem protagonists because that's the pov you gave earlier and I couldn't even get past ep 1 of those shows if anything. Well looks like its time to stop this discussion...... Btw, I remember this thread about being "who do you like more?" instead of proving who is a better character. I don't really think of 8man as a legendary character and he is not even in my top 20 male characters meanwhile yukino is in my all time favorites(of course her being an ideal waifu has a big part in it). He has a weak writing among the introverted protagonists and kind characters. The only way he appears legendary is if you compare him with trashy isekai and harem protagonists because that's the pov you gave earlier and I couldn't even get past ep 1 of those shows if anything. You are pretty impatient, aren't you? Sao(1st two seasons) is trash, oreimo is garbage, but dropping them on first ep? Nah....i watched it whole.....there are shows which may have an unsatisfatory start bu may become really good later on(SWORD ART ONLINE ALICIZAION AS AN EXAMPLE.....THOUGH I THINK IT WILL AGAIN GO DOWN THE DRAINS)...... And 8man is considered one of the most legendary protagonists.........are you new the community? Because saying that one of the most milestone characters in anime history has a poor writing isn't really believable....Normally, no one would even consider putting yukino ahead of 8man as a character.......but, still it depends on opinion....... BUT SAYING THAT PROBABLY THE GREATEST LONER EVER IN ANIME HISTORY HAS A FEEBLE WRITING???? And hachiman is not a saint......i know that and i never said that...........He is just HUMANE..... |
Jul 14, 2020 8:39 AM
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npandey said: >You are pretty impatient.....................................................................................AGAIN GO DOWN THE DRAINS)......cythraul said: npandey said: cythraul said: npandey said: I don't really see how yui or komachi has anything to do with the discussion. Hachiman helped manami(if you can even consider it as one) just so that she as the president of cultural fest committee could conclude that the festival was a success in front of students but she pussied out which meant that she did not have what it took to deliver the final speech which also meant that yukino's efforts would go to vain. Hachiman had seen how hard yukino worked for the sake of fest, even making herself sick in the process hence he acted just to help yukino. Hachiman actually never took blame, in fact sagami blamed him just so she could save her face because the only people who were there during their interaction were those two. Also for this act btw, he gets even more respect from his friends who are closer to him than other people.cythraul said: npandey said: I don't see how that makes hachiman better. He never helped manami to save her face, he just wanted culture fest to end without being ruined.cythraul said: npandey said: Again, I am not siding with her unintentionally either. If anyone, I am siding with yukino and everything I have said is in her favor. You gotta understand that 8man helping her on vengence doesn't mean I am making manami to be a good guy, not even unintentionally. As far as question of helping goes, hachiman does it to those who mostly deserve it and even during culture festival arc, he did it for yukino not manami and the requests for sevice club are accepted by yukino, not hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. That again proves that 8man is better....yes, requests are accepted by yukino, AND THE SHORT END OF THE STICK GOES TO HACHIMAN.......... and you probaably ignored it, but 8man helped BOTH yukino and minami in the cultural fest.......there was no reason for him to go so far in saving sagami's face if he was not helping her........ what do you mean by any better.................he is already the BEST PERSON ON THE ENTIRE CAST............. Dont tell me that apart from yukino, you consider morons like yui or side charac. like komachi to be ahead of 8man? And he did help manami..........did you not see that he made himself out to be the villian.he is not so foolish to not know the results of his own actions.............but still he did that............and that whole "taking the blame" was neither for yukino, nor for the cultural fest....it was for sagami........ HEY BUDDY,DID WE EVEN WATCH THE SAME THING? HACHIMAN WAS THE ONE WHO STARTS BERATING SAGAMI, EVEN THOUGH HE COULD SWEETTALK HER.........................SAGAMI IS THE REASON 8MAN TOOK THE BLAME, BUT SHE NEVER STARTED THE BLAME............CAN YOU SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT SAGAMI STARTED THE BLAMING THING???? and why are you so focused on saying that 8man only helped yukino or only wanted to help yukino....................LISTEN HERE, THE GREATEST REASON I LIKE 8MAN IS BECAUSE HE DOES NOT ACT LIKE THOSE STUPID CHIVALROUS DUDES(YOU WILL FIND THEM IN MANY ANIME....even more in bollywood or hollywood)......notable examples are- kirigaya kazuto, tatsuya shiba, almost every harem protagonist(there are exceptions), hewajima shizuo.............. ALl of these morons are the ones who help and protect one single girl(or a harem) and keep increasing their points by PROTECTING one stupid damsel, who keeps acting bitchy, and treats these white knights with a rude behaviour, either directly(kirino kousaka, louise the zero, ayano kannagi) or indirectly(YUKINOSHITA YUKINO IS THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE.......MIND YOU, IAM NOT NAMING HER JUST BECAUSE OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... As time passes, these damsels realize the "kindness" of these white knights, and open up to them, fixing or not fixing their behaviour(apparently, some creepy weaboos like these kinds of traits....but that's another story....) 8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... His help is indiscriminate.................If he took blows for the sake of yukinoshita yukino, he never stayed back while taking them for tobe either.......He helped Tsurumi rumi, and even jumped for yui's Dog..........He did not back down to help hayama hayato, and also saved kawasaki's ass...........he helped ebina and sagami equally.........AND YOU ARE SAYING-"HEY 8MAN IS A WHITE KNIGHT AND DOES ALL OF THIS FOR YUKINO TO SHOW HIS STUPID "MANLINESS".....(i hate this word)............." No he does not..........not even once 8man try to become some white knight..............He is a Really kind person.......WAY WAY AHEAD OF YUKINO IN TERMS OF HUMAN QUALITY OF KINDNESS.....He just makes it like he did not do anything...........and he thinks of changing his methods(later in the show) BECAUSE YUI AND YUKINO WOULD FEEL BAD..........HE DOES NOT DO IT FOR HIMSELF....HE HAS DONE 100X MORE FOR YUKINO AND YUI HAN THEY HAVE DONE FOR HIM...................the only one who properly returned favors to 8man is zaimokuza(even komachi)......and he is the only one who has HELPED 8man considerable number of times, in various ways.......yukino and yui are behind right now.......and you say that a legendary characterlike 8man will be defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ Of course the blaming thing wasn't shown in the anime and why the hell would hachiman go out of his way to take blame on himself. Everyone blamed 8man on what happened with sagami doesn't mean 8man TOOK the blame, it means he was blamed and sweet talk her? I said it earlier that if 8man wanted to help sagami, he could have sweet talked her because that is also the way but he chose the quickest method and that is because he wanted to get things done. >and why are you so..................................................................................... exceptions), hewajima shizuo............. 8man's intention was only to help yukino and that's a fact, you seem to have some delusion that 8man is this great altruist saint who helps everyone in need which is obviously not the case. As for yukino, she shows mirror to hachiman hence he always thinks of her differently than other folks and saying 8man cares for all is basically you guys making a saint out of him. >ALl of these morons are................................................................................OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... Again you are here saying that yukino is a damsel when she herself tries her best in her own way and 8man is multiple times luckier than yukino on a front that he doesn't have any family issues and has a caring imouto like komachi. 8man doesn't really have anything holding him back unlike yukino has and again yukino isn't some hopeless kid either, she has dealt with all of the bullshit on her own. It's just that as the time passes, she becomes bonded with hachiman and yui hence you would see her acting weak against her mother who is supposed to be absolute figure in yukinoshita household. Yukino gathers courage on her own btw. On the other hand, I must say that you have watched a lot of trashy protagonists that of course you'd think from the SAO or oreimo pov but you see, this thing called as 'friendship' is one of the center themes in oregairu and it does normally exist out of harem anime. >As time passes, these..................................................................................8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... Again wrong comparison, you are comparing apples with oranges. 8man isn't really any exception and he doesn't belong to the likes of kirito. If anything, 8man belongs to the band of 'introvert' protagonists like rei kiriyama or tomoko kuroki and even among those, he has weakest writing of all. >His help is indiscriminate...............................................................................defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ I never said 8man is a manly white knight(never even implied it) and perhaps you didn't really understand his character. You are thinking that 8man is an altruist saint when all he does is help other people out of obligation for his duties to the service club and sometimes out of kindness. I never said that he does everything for yukino, of course he does things for her but not everything and I remember that it was under service club the request of tobe and rumi. Hachiman is a kind person alright and I am not gonna deny that and perhaps on a spectra, his kindness does surpass yukino's but by no means it makes him a better character. Being kind isn't directly proportional to being good character(as in writing, not person) but even on that front, I must say that yukino is a really kind person herself. Yukino has her own strengths as a character which are different than 8man and I am not even bringing in her being an ideal waifu. Btw, I remember this thread about being "who do you like more?" instead of proving who is a better character. I don't really think of 8man as a legendary character and he is not even in my top 20 male characters meanwhile yukino is in my all time favorites(of course her being an ideal waifu has a big part in it). He has a weak writing among the introverted protagonists and kind characters. The only way he appears legendary is if you compare him with trashy isekai and harem protagonists because that's the pov you gave earlier and I couldn't even get past ep 1 of those shows if anything. Well looks like its time to stop this discussion...... Btw, I remember this thread about being "who do you like more?" instead of proving who is a better character. I don't really think of 8man as a legendary character and he is not even in my top 20 male characters meanwhile yukino is in my all time favorites(of course her being an ideal waifu has a big part in it). He has a weak writing among the introverted protagonists and kind characters. The only way he appears legendary is if you compare him with trashy isekai and harem protagonists because that's the pov you gave earlier and I couldn't even get past ep 1 of those shows if anything. You are pretty impatient, aren't you? Sao(1st two seasons) is trash, oreimo is garbage, but dropping them on first ep? Nah....i watched it whole.....there are shows which may have an unsatisfatory start bu may become really good later on(SWORD ART ONLINE ALICIZAION AS AN EXAMPLE.....THOUGH I THINK IT WILL AGAIN GO DOWN THE DRAINS)...... And 8man is considered one of the most legendary protagonists.........are you new the community? Because saying that one of the most milestone characters in anime history has a poor writing isn't really believable....Normally, no one would even consider putting yukino ahead of 8man as a character.......but, still it depends on opinion....... BUT SAYING THAT PROBABLY THE GREATEST LONER EVER IN ANIME HISTORY HAS A FEEBLE WRITING???? And hachiman is not a saint......i know that and i never said that...........He is just HUMANE..... I am not impatient. Actually, those shows gave me vibes that I don't like much hence I dropped them. It's true that some shows have unsatisfactory starts and turn out to be good later and biggest example of it is gintama which is my favorite series of all time but the thing with SAO and oreimo is that I just didn't like their vibes. Might check them out again someday if I run out of anime. >And 8man is considered one of.........................................................................................but, still it depends on opinion....... Just because I consider 8man's writing to be weak doesn't mean I am a newbie lmao. You see, 8man cult exists hence he is one of the most popular protagonists. I am not a part of that cult and there are loners like rei kiriyama or tomoko kuroki who has much more realistic writing than hachiman and unlike 8man, they aren't surrounded by beauties(yukino and yui) or has a bro like zaimokuza so their struggles too seem more realistic but again both of them are aimed at older audience than 8man is and also most of the kids who love 8man are like 14 and don't even understand his philosophy but like him just because he is portrayed in this weird cool but at the same time pitiful light which may also be subject to the barnum effect. Just because a character is popular doesn't mean he can't be criticized, you know how shitty some of the popular shonen and LN protagonists are. >BUT SAYING THAT PROBABLY...........................................................................................He is just HUMANE..... Again there is no such a thing as "the greatest loner" and if there is, get ready to be in war with berserk fandom or tomoko cult lol. But again, I consider 8man to be greater than almost all the light novel 'loner' protagonists because hachiman is actually a loner and a lovable introvert guy unlike some of the so called 'loner' protagonists. And yes 8man is humane but it's a tendency of his fans to make a saint out of him and bestow upon him with the titles such as dark knight if not the white knight(his cult actually uses the term dark knight). 8man is a kind cynic at the best. |
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Jul 14, 2020 10:21 AM
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cythraul said: npandey said: >You are pretty impatient.....................................................................................AGAIN GO DOWN THE DRAINS)......cythraul said: npandey said: >HEY BUDDY, DID....................................................................................THE BLAMING THING?cythraul said: npandey said: I don't really see how yui or komachi has anything to do with the discussion. Hachiman helped manami(if you can even consider it as one) just so that she as the president of cultural fest committee could conclude that the festival was a success in front of students but she pussied out which meant that she did not have what it took to deliver the final speech which also meant that yukino's efforts would go to vain. Hachiman had seen how hard yukino worked for the sake of fest, even making herself sick in the process hence he acted just to help yukino. Hachiman actually never took blame, in fact sagami blamed him just so she could save her face because the only people who were there during their interaction were those two. Also for this act btw, he gets even more respect from his friends who are closer to him than other people.cythraul said: npandey said: I don't see how that makes hachiman better. He never helped manami to save her face, he just wanted culture fest to end without being ruined.cythraul said: npandey said: Again, I am not siding with her unintentionally either. If anyone, I am siding with yukino and everything I have said is in her favor. You gotta understand that 8man helping her on vengence doesn't mean I am making manami to be a good guy, not even unintentionally. As far as question of helping goes, hachiman does it to those who mostly deserve it and even during culture festival arc, he did it for yukino not manami and the requests for sevice club are accepted by yukino, not hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. That again proves that 8man is better....yes, requests are accepted by yukino, AND THE SHORT END OF THE STICK GOES TO HACHIMAN.......... and you probaably ignored it, but 8man helped BOTH yukino and minami in the cultural fest.......there was no reason for him to go so far in saving sagami's face if he was not helping her........ what do you mean by any better.................he is already the BEST PERSON ON THE ENTIRE CAST............. Dont tell me that apart from yukino, you consider morons like yui or side charac. like komachi to be ahead of 8man? And he did help manami..........did you not see that he made himself out to be the villian.he is not so foolish to not know the results of his own actions.............but still he did that............and that whole "taking the blame" was neither for yukino, nor for the cultural fest....it was for sagami........ HEY BUDDY,DID WE EVEN WATCH THE SAME THING? HACHIMAN WAS THE ONE WHO STARTS BERATING SAGAMI, EVEN THOUGH HE COULD SWEETTALK HER.........................SAGAMI IS THE REASON 8MAN TOOK THE BLAME, BUT SHE NEVER STARTED THE BLAME............CAN YOU SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT SAGAMI STARTED THE BLAMING THING???? and why are you so focused on saying that 8man only helped yukino or only wanted to help yukino....................LISTEN HERE, THE GREATEST REASON I LIKE 8MAN IS BECAUSE HE DOES NOT ACT LIKE THOSE STUPID CHIVALROUS DUDES(YOU WILL FIND THEM IN MANY ANIME....even more in bollywood or hollywood)......notable examples are- kirigaya kazuto, tatsuya shiba, almost every harem protagonist(there are exceptions), hewajima shizuo.............. ALl of these morons are the ones who help and protect one single girl(or a harem) and keep increasing their points by PROTECTING one stupid damsel, who keeps acting bitchy, and treats these white knights with a rude behaviour, either directly(kirino kousaka, louise the zero, ayano kannagi) or indirectly(YUKINOSHITA YUKINO IS THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE.......MIND YOU, IAM NOT NAMING HER JUST BECAUSE OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... As time passes, these damsels realize the "kindness" of these white knights, and open up to them, fixing or not fixing their behaviour(apparently, some creepy weaboos like these kinds of traits....but that's another story....) 8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... His help is indiscriminate.................If he took blows for the sake of yukinoshita yukino, he never stayed back while taking them for tobe either.......He helped Tsurumi rumi, and even jumped for yui's Dog..........He did not back down to help hayama hayato, and also saved kawasaki's ass...........he helped ebina and sagami equally.........AND YOU ARE SAYING-"HEY 8MAN IS A WHITE KNIGHT AND DOES ALL OF THIS FOR YUKINO TO SHOW HIS STUPID "MANLINESS".....(i hate this word)............." No he does not..........not even once 8man try to become some white knight..............He is a Really kind person.......WAY WAY AHEAD OF YUKINO IN TERMS OF HUMAN QUALITY OF KINDNESS.....He just makes it like he did not do anything...........and he thinks of changing his methods(later in the show) BECAUSE YUI AND YUKINO WOULD FEEL BAD..........HE DOES NOT DO IT FOR HIMSELF....HE HAS DONE 100X MORE FOR YUKINO AND YUI HAN THEY HAVE DONE FOR HIM...................the only one who properly returned favors to 8man is zaimokuza(even komachi)......and he is the only one who has HELPED 8man considerable number of times, in various ways.......yukino and yui are behind right now.......and you say that a legendary characterlike 8man will be defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ Of course the blaming thing wasn't shown in the anime and why the hell would hachiman go out of his way to take blame on himself. Everyone blamed 8man on what happened with sagami doesn't mean 8man TOOK the blame, it means he was blamed and sweet talk her? I said it earlier that if 8man wanted to help sagami, he could have sweet talked her because that is also the way but he chose the quickest method and that is because he wanted to get things done. >and why are you so..................................................................................... exceptions), hewajima shizuo............. 8man's intention was only to help yukino and that's a fact, you seem to have some delusion that 8man is this great altruist saint who helps everyone in need which is obviously not the case. As for yukino, she shows mirror to hachiman hence he always thinks of her differently than other folks and saying 8man cares for all is basically you guys making a saint out of him. >ALl of these morons are................................................................................OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... Again you are here saying that yukino is a damsel when she herself tries her best in her own way and 8man is multiple times luckier than yukino on a front that he doesn't have any family issues and has a caring imouto like komachi. 8man doesn't really have anything holding him back unlike yukino has and again yukino isn't some hopeless kid either, she has dealt with all of the bullshit on her own. It's just that as the time passes, she becomes bonded with hachiman and yui hence you would see her acting weak against her mother who is supposed to be absolute figure in yukinoshita household. Yukino gathers courage on her own btw. On the other hand, I must say that you have watched a lot of trashy protagonists that of course you'd think from the SAO or oreimo pov but you see, this thing called as 'friendship' is one of the center themes in oregairu and it does normally exist out of harem anime. >As time passes, these..................................................................................8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... Again wrong comparison, you are comparing apples with oranges. 8man isn't really any exception and he doesn't belong to the likes of kirito. If anything, 8man belongs to the band of 'introvert' protagonists like rei kiriyama or tomoko kuroki and even among those, he has weakest writing of all. >His help is indiscriminate...............................................................................defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ I never said 8man is a manly white knight(never even implied it) and perhaps you didn't really understand his character. You are thinking that 8man is an altruist saint when all he does is help other people out of obligation for his duties to the service club and sometimes out of kindness. I never said that he does everything for yukino, of course he does things for her but not everything and I remember that it was under service club the request of tobe and rumi. Hachiman is a kind person alright and I am not gonna deny that and perhaps on a spectra, his kindness does surpass yukino's but by no means it makes him a better character. Being kind isn't directly proportional to being good character(as in writing, not person) but even on that front, I must say that yukino is a really kind person herself. Yukino has her own strengths as a character which are different than 8man and I am not even bringing in her being an ideal waifu. Btw, I remember this thread about being "who do you like more?" instead of proving who is a better character. I don't really think of 8man as a legendary character and he is not even in my top 20 male characters meanwhile yukino is in my all time favorites(of course her being an ideal waifu has a big part in it). He has a weak writing among the introverted protagonists and kind characters. The only way he appears legendary is if you compare him with trashy isekai and harem protagonists because that's the pov you gave earlier and I couldn't even get past ep 1 of those shows if anything. Well looks like its time to stop this discussion...... Btw, I remember this thread about being "who do you like more?" instead of proving who is a better character. I don't really think of 8man as a legendary character and he is not even in my top 20 male characters meanwhile yukino is in my all time favorites(of course her being an ideal waifu has a big part in it). He has a weak writing among the introverted protagonists and kind characters. The only way he appears legendary is if you compare him with trashy isekai and harem protagonists because that's the pov you gave earlier and I couldn't even get past ep 1 of those shows if anything. You are pretty impatient, aren't you? Sao(1st two seasons) is trash, oreimo is garbage, but dropping them on first ep? Nah....i watched it whole.....there are shows which may have an unsatisfatory start bu may become really good later on(SWORD ART ONLINE ALICIZAION AS AN EXAMPLE.....THOUGH I THINK IT WILL AGAIN GO DOWN THE DRAINS)...... And 8man is considered one of the most legendary protagonists.........are you new the community? Because saying that one of the most milestone characters in anime history has a poor writing isn't really believable....Normally, no one would even consider putting yukino ahead of 8man as a character.......but, still it depends on opinion....... BUT SAYING THAT PROBABLY THE GREATEST LONER EVER IN ANIME HISTORY HAS A FEEBLE WRITING???? And hachiman is not a saint......i know that and i never said that...........He is just HUMANE..... I am not impatient. Actually, those shows gave me vibes that I don't like much hence I dropped them. It's true that some shows have unsatisfactory starts and turn out to be good later and biggest example of it is gintama which is my favorite series of all time but the thing with SAO and oreimo is that I just didn't like their vibes. Might check them out again someday if I run out of anime. >And 8man is considered one of.........................................................................................but, still it depends on opinion....... Just because I consider 8man's writing to be weak doesn't mean I am a newbie lmao. You see, 8man cult exists hence he is one of the most popular protagonists. I am not a part of that cult and there are loners like rei kiriyama or tomoko kuroki who has much more realistic writing than hachiman and unlike 8man, they aren't surrounded by beauties(yukino and yui) or has a bro like zaimokuza so their struggles too seem more realistic but again both of them are aimed at older audience than 8man is and also most of the kids who love 8man are like 14 and don't even understand his philosophy but like him just because he is portrayed in this weird cool but at the same time pitiful light which may also be subject to the barnum effect. Just because a character is popular doesn't mean he can't be criticized, you know how shitty some of the popular shonen and LN protagonists are. >BUT SAYING THAT PROBABLY...........................................................................................He is just HUMANE..... Again there is no such a thing as "the greatest loner" and if there is, get ready to be in war with berserk fandom or tomoko cult lol. But again, I consider 8man to be greater than almost all the light novel 'loner' protagonists because hachiman is actually a loner and a lovable introvert guy unlike some of the so called 'loner' protagonists. And yes 8man is humane but it's a tendency of his fans to make a saint out of him and bestow upon him with the titles such as dark knight if not the white knight(his cult actually uses the term dark knight). 8man is a kind cynic at the best. And yes 8man is humane but it's a tendency of his fans to make a saint out of him and bestow upon him with the titles such as dark knight if not the white knight(his cult actually uses the term dark knight). 8man is a kind cynic at the best. DONT WORRY ...........I AS A FACT WILL NEVER INSULT HIM WITH THESE STUPID TITLES LIKE DARK,WHITE,CRIMSON, OR WHATEVER.......OR REFER TO HIM AS SOME MACHO BADASS................I am not in his cult.........but i like him as a character.......i am with the majority on the case of 8man, though i agree that majority is not always correct........THEY ALSO LIKE ASUNA YUUKI AFTER ALL, DONT THEY? AND SENJOUGAHARA HITAGI AND AISAKA TAIGA ARE PRETTY POPULAR TOO, RIGHT? (weird people and their weird tastes.)..... On the same note, have you heard of youkoso jitsuryoku kyoushitsu e?(classroom of the elite).....if you know, please respond......there is something i find similar to oregairu, though on a different level............ Just because a character is popular doesn't mean he can't be criticized, you know how shitty some of the popular shonen and LN protagonists are. 100 percent truth.........no doubt......the one i hate the most would be the shiba siblings |
Jul 14, 2020 12:21 PM
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npandey said: >On the same note.........................................................................on a different level............cythraul said: npandey said: cythraul said: npandey said: >HEY BUDDY, DID....................................................................................THE BLAMING THING?cythraul said: npandey said: I don't really see how yui or komachi has anything to do with the discussion. Hachiman helped manami(if you can even consider it as one) just so that she as the president of cultural fest committee could conclude that the festival was a success in front of students but she pussied out which meant that she did not have what it took to deliver the final speech which also meant that yukino's efforts would go to vain. Hachiman had seen how hard yukino worked for the sake of fest, even making herself sick in the process hence he acted just to help yukino. Hachiman actually never took blame, in fact sagami blamed him just so she could save her face because the only people who were there during their interaction were those two. Also for this act btw, he gets even more respect from his friends who are closer to him than other people.cythraul said: npandey said: I don't see how that makes hachiman better. He never helped manami to save her face, he just wanted culture fest to end without being ruined.cythraul said: npandey said: Again, I am not siding with her unintentionally either. If anyone, I am siding with yukino and everything I have said is in her favor. You gotta understand that 8man helping her on vengence doesn't mean I am making manami to be a good guy, not even unintentionally. As far as question of helping goes, hachiman does it to those who mostly deserve it and even during culture festival arc, he did it for yukino not manami and the requests for sevice club are accepted by yukino, not hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. That again proves that 8man is better....yes, requests are accepted by yukino, AND THE SHORT END OF THE STICK GOES TO HACHIMAN.......... and you probaably ignored it, but 8man helped BOTH yukino and minami in the cultural fest.......there was no reason for him to go so far in saving sagami's face if he was not helping her........ what do you mean by any better.................he is already the BEST PERSON ON THE ENTIRE CAST............. Dont tell me that apart from yukino, you consider morons like yui or side charac. like komachi to be ahead of 8man? And he did help manami..........did you not see that he made himself out to be the villian.he is not so foolish to not know the results of his own actions.............but still he did that............and that whole "taking the blame" was neither for yukino, nor for the cultural fest....it was for sagami........ HEY BUDDY,DID WE EVEN WATCH THE SAME THING? HACHIMAN WAS THE ONE WHO STARTS BERATING SAGAMI, EVEN THOUGH HE COULD SWEETTALK HER.........................SAGAMI IS THE REASON 8MAN TOOK THE BLAME, BUT SHE NEVER STARTED THE BLAME............CAN YOU SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT SAGAMI STARTED THE BLAMING THING???? and why are you so focused on saying that 8man only helped yukino or only wanted to help yukino....................LISTEN HERE, THE GREATEST REASON I LIKE 8MAN IS BECAUSE HE DOES NOT ACT LIKE THOSE STUPID CHIVALROUS DUDES(YOU WILL FIND THEM IN MANY ANIME....even more in bollywood or hollywood)......notable examples are- kirigaya kazuto, tatsuya shiba, almost every harem protagonist(there are exceptions), hewajima shizuo.............. ALl of these morons are the ones who help and protect one single girl(or a harem) and keep increasing their points by PROTECTING one stupid damsel, who keeps acting bitchy, and treats these white knights with a rude behaviour, either directly(kirino kousaka, louise the zero, ayano kannagi) or indirectly(YUKINOSHITA YUKINO IS THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE.......MIND YOU, IAM NOT NAMING HER JUST BECAUSE OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... As time passes, these damsels realize the "kindness" of these white knights, and open up to them, fixing or not fixing their behaviour(apparently, some creepy weaboos like these kinds of traits....but that's another story....) 8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... His help is indiscriminate.................If he took blows for the sake of yukinoshita yukino, he never stayed back while taking them for tobe either.......He helped Tsurumi rumi, and even jumped for yui's Dog..........He did not back down to help hayama hayato, and also saved kawasaki's ass...........he helped ebina and sagami equally.........AND YOU ARE SAYING-"HEY 8MAN IS A WHITE KNIGHT AND DOES ALL OF THIS FOR YUKINO TO SHOW HIS STUPID "MANLINESS".....(i hate this word)............." No he does not..........not even once 8man try to become some white knight..............He is a Really kind person.......WAY WAY AHEAD OF YUKINO IN TERMS OF HUMAN QUALITY OF KINDNESS.....He just makes it like he did not do anything...........and he thinks of changing his methods(later in the show) BECAUSE YUI AND YUKINO WOULD FEEL BAD..........HE DOES NOT DO IT FOR HIMSELF....HE HAS DONE 100X MORE FOR YUKINO AND YUI HAN THEY HAVE DONE FOR HIM...................the only one who properly returned favors to 8man is zaimokuza(even komachi)......and he is the only one who has HELPED 8man considerable number of times, in various ways.......yukino and yui are behind right now.......and you say that a legendary characterlike 8man will be defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ Of course the blaming thing wasn't shown in the anime and why the hell would hachiman go out of his way to take blame on himself. Everyone blamed 8man on what happened with sagami doesn't mean 8man TOOK the blame, it means he was blamed and sweet talk her? I said it earlier that if 8man wanted to help sagami, he could have sweet talked her because that is also the way but he chose the quickest method and that is because he wanted to get things done. >and why are you so..................................................................................... exceptions), hewajima shizuo............. 8man's intention was only to help yukino and that's a fact, you seem to have some delusion that 8man is this great altruist saint who helps everyone in need which is obviously not the case. As for yukino, she shows mirror to hachiman hence he always thinks of her differently than other folks and saying 8man cares for all is basically you guys making a saint out of him. >ALl of these morons are................................................................................OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... Again you are here saying that yukino is a damsel when she herself tries her best in her own way and 8man is multiple times luckier than yukino on a front that he doesn't have any family issues and has a caring imouto like komachi. 8man doesn't really have anything holding him back unlike yukino has and again yukino isn't some hopeless kid either, she has dealt with all of the bullshit on her own. It's just that as the time passes, she becomes bonded with hachiman and yui hence you would see her acting weak against her mother who is supposed to be absolute figure in yukinoshita household. Yukino gathers courage on her own btw. On the other hand, I must say that you have watched a lot of trashy protagonists that of course you'd think from the SAO or oreimo pov but you see, this thing called as 'friendship' is one of the center themes in oregairu and it does normally exist out of harem anime. >As time passes, these..................................................................................8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... Again wrong comparison, you are comparing apples with oranges. 8man isn't really any exception and he doesn't belong to the likes of kirito. If anything, 8man belongs to the band of 'introvert' protagonists like rei kiriyama or tomoko kuroki and even among those, he has weakest writing of all. >His help is indiscriminate...............................................................................defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ I never said 8man is a manly white knight(never even implied it) and perhaps you didn't really understand his character. You are thinking that 8man is an altruist saint when all he does is help other people out of obligation for his duties to the service club and sometimes out of kindness. I never said that he does everything for yukino, of course he does things for her but not everything and I remember that it was under service club the request of tobe and rumi. Hachiman is a kind person alright and I am not gonna deny that and perhaps on a spectra, his kindness does surpass yukino's but by no means it makes him a better character. Being kind isn't directly proportional to being good character(as in writing, not person) but even on that front, I must say that yukino is a really kind person herself. Yukino has her own strengths as a character which are different than 8man and I am not even bringing in her being an ideal waifu. Btw, I remember this thread about being "who do you like more?" instead of proving who is a better character. I don't really think of 8man as a legendary character and he is not even in my top 20 male characters meanwhile yukino is in my all time favorites(of course her being an ideal waifu has a big part in it). He has a weak writing among the introverted protagonists and kind characters. The only way he appears legendary is if you compare him with trashy isekai and harem protagonists because that's the pov you gave earlier and I couldn't even get past ep 1 of those shows if anything. Well looks like its time to stop this discussion...... Btw, I remember this thread about being "who do you like more?" instead of proving who is a better character. I don't really think of 8man as a legendary character and he is not even in my top 20 male characters meanwhile yukino is in my all time favorites(of course her being an ideal waifu has a big part in it). He has a weak writing among the introverted protagonists and kind characters. The only way he appears legendary is if you compare him with trashy isekai and harem protagonists because that's the pov you gave earlier and I couldn't even get past ep 1 of those shows if anything. You are pretty impatient, aren't you? Sao(1st two seasons) is trash, oreimo is garbage, but dropping them on first ep? Nah....i watched it whole.....there are shows which may have an unsatisfatory start bu may become really good later on(SWORD ART ONLINE ALICIZAION AS AN EXAMPLE.....THOUGH I THINK IT WILL AGAIN GO DOWN THE DRAINS)...... And 8man is considered one of the most legendary protagonists.........are you new the community? Because saying that one of the most milestone characters in anime history has a poor writing isn't really believable....Normally, no one would even consider putting yukino ahead of 8man as a character.......but, still it depends on opinion....... BUT SAYING THAT PROBABLY THE GREATEST LONER EVER IN ANIME HISTORY HAS A FEEBLE WRITING???? And hachiman is not a saint......i know that and i never said that...........He is just HUMANE..... I am not impatient. Actually, those shows gave me vibes that I don't like much hence I dropped them. It's true that some shows have unsatisfactory starts and turn out to be good later and biggest example of it is gintama which is my favorite series of all time but the thing with SAO and oreimo is that I just didn't like their vibes. Might check them out again someday if I run out of anime. >And 8man is considered one of.........................................................................................but, still it depends on opinion....... Just because I consider 8man's writing to be weak doesn't mean I am a newbie lmao. You see, 8man cult exists hence he is one of the most popular protagonists. I am not a part of that cult and there are loners like rei kiriyama or tomoko kuroki who has much more realistic writing than hachiman and unlike 8man, they aren't surrounded by beauties(yukino and yui) or has a bro like zaimokuza so their struggles too seem more realistic but again both of them are aimed at older audience than 8man is and also most of the kids who love 8man are like 14 and don't even understand his philosophy but like him just because he is portrayed in this weird cool but at the same time pitiful light which may also be subject to the barnum effect. Just because a character is popular doesn't mean he can't be criticized, you know how shitty some of the popular shonen and LN protagonists are. >BUT SAYING THAT PROBABLY...........................................................................................He is just HUMANE..... Again there is no such a thing as "the greatest loner" and if there is, get ready to be in war with berserk fandom or tomoko cult lol. But again, I consider 8man to be greater than almost all the light novel 'loner' protagonists because hachiman is actually a loner and a lovable introvert guy unlike some of the so called 'loner' protagonists. And yes 8man is humane but it's a tendency of his fans to make a saint out of him and bestow upon him with the titles such as dark knight if not the white knight(his cult actually uses the term dark knight). 8man is a kind cynic at the best. And yes 8man is humane but it's a tendency of his fans to make a saint out of him and bestow upon him with the titles such as dark knight if not the white knight(his cult actually uses the term dark knight). 8man is a kind cynic at the best. DONT WORRY ...........I AS A FACT WILL NEVER INSULT HIM WITH THESE STUPID TITLES LIKE DARK,WHITE,CRIMSON, OR WHATEVER.......OR REFER TO HIM AS SOME MACHO BADASS................I am not in his cult.........but i like him as a character.......i am with the majority on the case of 8man, though i agree that majority is not always correct........THEY ALSO LIKE ASUNA YUUKI AFTER ALL, DONT THEY? AND SENJOUGAHARA HITAGI AND AISAKA TAIGA ARE PRETTY POPULAR TOO, RIGHT? (weird people and their weird tastes.)..... On the same note, have you heard of youkoso jitsuryoku kyoushitsu e?(classroom of the elite).....if you know, please respond......there is something i find similar to oregairu, though on a different level............ Just because a character is popular doesn't mean he can't be criticized, you know how shitty some of the popular shonen and LN protagonists are. 100 percent truth.........no doubt......the one i hate the most would be the shiba siblings I have watched that show. The only similarity you can find between classroom of the elite and oregairu is that the main trio just has one or two traits in common like ayanokouji and 8man both being loners, horikita and yukino being long black haired beauties and kushieda and yui being the girls with short hair and big tits. That's probably the most common thing they have. Oregairu is character focused and classroom of the elite is story focused. Ayanokouji is a pretty badass guy tho, he is one of those cool loners type so I don't think there is any similarity between it and oregairu other than main characters sharing a trait or two. |
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Jul 14, 2020 9:27 PM
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cythraul said: npandey said: >On the same note.........................................................................on a different level............cythraul said: npandey said: >You are pretty impatient.....................................................................................AGAIN GO DOWN THE DRAINS)......cythraul said: npandey said: >HEY BUDDY, DID....................................................................................THE BLAMING THING?cythraul said: npandey said: I don't really see how yui or komachi has anything to do with the discussion. Hachiman helped manami(if you can even consider it as one) just so that she as the president of cultural fest committee could conclude that the festival was a success in front of students but she pussied out which meant that she did not have what it took to deliver the final speech which also meant that yukino's efforts would go to vain. Hachiman had seen how hard yukino worked for the sake of fest, even making herself sick in the process hence he acted just to help yukino. Hachiman actually never took blame, in fact sagami blamed him just so she could save her face because the only people who were there during their interaction were those two. Also for this act btw, he gets even more respect from his friends who are closer to him than other people.cythraul said: npandey said: I don't see how that makes hachiman better. He never helped manami to save her face, he just wanted culture fest to end without being ruined.cythraul said: npandey said: Again, I am not siding with her unintentionally either. If anyone, I am siding with yukino and everything I have said is in her favor. You gotta understand that 8man helping her on vengence doesn't mean I am making manami to be a good guy, not even unintentionally. As far as question of helping goes, hachiman does it to those who mostly deserve it and even during culture festival arc, he did it for yukino not manami and the requests for sevice club are accepted by yukino, not hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. That again proves that 8man is better....yes, requests are accepted by yukino, AND THE SHORT END OF THE STICK GOES TO HACHIMAN.......... and you probaably ignored it, but 8man helped BOTH yukino and minami in the cultural fest.......there was no reason for him to go so far in saving sagami's face if he was not helping her........ what do you mean by any better.................he is already the BEST PERSON ON THE ENTIRE CAST............. Dont tell me that apart from yukino, you consider morons like yui or side charac. like komachi to be ahead of 8man? And he did help manami..........did you not see that he made himself out to be the villian.he is not so foolish to not know the results of his own actions.............but still he did that............and that whole "taking the blame" was neither for yukino, nor for the cultural fest....it was for sagami........ HEY BUDDY,DID WE EVEN WATCH THE SAME THING? HACHIMAN WAS THE ONE WHO STARTS BERATING SAGAMI, EVEN THOUGH HE COULD SWEETTALK HER.........................SAGAMI IS THE REASON 8MAN TOOK THE BLAME, BUT SHE NEVER STARTED THE BLAME............CAN YOU SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT SAGAMI STARTED THE BLAMING THING???? and why are you so focused on saying that 8man only helped yukino or only wanted to help yukino....................LISTEN HERE, THE GREATEST REASON I LIKE 8MAN IS BECAUSE HE DOES NOT ACT LIKE THOSE STUPID CHIVALROUS DUDES(YOU WILL FIND THEM IN MANY ANIME....even more in bollywood or hollywood)......notable examples are- kirigaya kazuto, tatsuya shiba, almost every harem protagonist(there are exceptions), hewajima shizuo.............. ALl of these morons are the ones who help and protect one single girl(or a harem) and keep increasing their points by PROTECTING one stupid damsel, who keeps acting bitchy, and treats these white knights with a rude behaviour, either directly(kirino kousaka, louise the zero, ayano kannagi) or indirectly(YUKINOSHITA YUKINO IS THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE.......MIND YOU, IAM NOT NAMING HER JUST BECAUSE OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... As time passes, these damsels realize the "kindness" of these white knights, and open up to them, fixing or not fixing their behaviour(apparently, some creepy weaboos like these kinds of traits....but that's another story....) 8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... His help is indiscriminate.................If he took blows for the sake of yukinoshita yukino, he never stayed back while taking them for tobe either.......He helped Tsurumi rumi, and even jumped for yui's Dog..........He did not back down to help hayama hayato, and also saved kawasaki's ass...........he helped ebina and sagami equally.........AND YOU ARE SAYING-"HEY 8MAN IS A WHITE KNIGHT AND DOES ALL OF THIS FOR YUKINO TO SHOW HIS STUPID "MANLINESS".....(i hate this word)............." No he does not..........not even once 8man try to become some white knight..............He is a Really kind person.......WAY WAY AHEAD OF YUKINO IN TERMS OF HUMAN QUALITY OF KINDNESS.....He just makes it like he did not do anything...........and he thinks of changing his methods(later in the show) BECAUSE YUI AND YUKINO WOULD FEEL BAD..........HE DOES NOT DO IT FOR HIMSELF....HE HAS DONE 100X MORE FOR YUKINO AND YUI HAN THEY HAVE DONE FOR HIM...................the only one who properly returned favors to 8man is zaimokuza(even komachi)......and he is the only one who has HELPED 8man considerable number of times, in various ways.......yukino and yui are behind right now.......and you say that a legendary characterlike 8man will be defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ Of course the blaming thing wasn't shown in the anime and why the hell would hachiman go out of his way to take blame on himself. Everyone blamed 8man on what happened with sagami doesn't mean 8man TOOK the blame, it means he was blamed and sweet talk her? I said it earlier that if 8man wanted to help sagami, he could have sweet talked her because that is also the way but he chose the quickest method and that is because he wanted to get things done. >and why are you so..................................................................................... exceptions), hewajima shizuo............. 8man's intention was only to help yukino and that's a fact, you seem to have some delusion that 8man is this great altruist saint who helps everyone in need which is obviously not the case. As for yukino, she shows mirror to hachiman hence he always thinks of her differently than other folks and saying 8man cares for all is basically you guys making a saint out of him. >ALl of these morons are................................................................................OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... Again you are here saying that yukino is a damsel when she herself tries her best in her own way and 8man is multiple times luckier than yukino on a front that he doesn't have any family issues and has a caring imouto like komachi. 8man doesn't really have anything holding him back unlike yukino has and again yukino isn't some hopeless kid either, she has dealt with all of the bullshit on her own. It's just that as the time passes, she becomes bonded with hachiman and yui hence you would see her acting weak against her mother who is supposed to be absolute figure in yukinoshita household. Yukino gathers courage on her own btw. On the other hand, I must say that you have watched a lot of trashy protagonists that of course you'd think from the SAO or oreimo pov but you see, this thing called as 'friendship' is one of the center themes in oregairu and it does normally exist out of harem anime. >As time passes, these..................................................................................8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... Again wrong comparison, you are comparing apples with oranges. 8man isn't really any exception and he doesn't belong to the likes of kirito. If anything, 8man belongs to the band of 'introvert' protagonists like rei kiriyama or tomoko kuroki and even among those, he has weakest writing of all. >His help is indiscriminate...............................................................................defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ I never said 8man is a manly white knight(never even implied it) and perhaps you didn't really understand his character. You are thinking that 8man is an altruist saint when all he does is help other people out of obligation for his duties to the service club and sometimes out of kindness. I never said that he does everything for yukino, of course he does things for her but not everything and I remember that it was under service club the request of tobe and rumi. Hachiman is a kind person alright and I am not gonna deny that and perhaps on a spectra, his kindness does surpass yukino's but by no means it makes him a better character. Being kind isn't directly proportional to being good character(as in writing, not person) but even on that front, I must say that yukino is a really kind person herself. Yukino has her own strengths as a character which are different than 8man and I am not even bringing in her being an ideal waifu. Btw, I remember this thread about being "who do you like more?" instead of proving who is a better character. I don't really think of 8man as a legendary character and he is not even in my top 20 male characters meanwhile yukino is in my all time favorites(of course her being an ideal waifu has a big part in it). He has a weak writing among the introverted protagonists and kind characters. The only way he appears legendary is if you compare him with trashy isekai and harem protagonists because that's the pov you gave earlier and I couldn't even get past ep 1 of those shows if anything. Well looks like its time to stop this discussion...... Btw, I remember this thread about being "who do you like more?" instead of proving who is a better character. I don't really think of 8man as a legendary character and he is not even in my top 20 male characters meanwhile yukino is in my all time favorites(of course her being an ideal waifu has a big part in it). He has a weak writing among the introverted protagonists and kind characters. The only way he appears legendary is if you compare him with trashy isekai and harem protagonists because that's the pov you gave earlier and I couldn't even get past ep 1 of those shows if anything. You are pretty impatient, aren't you? Sao(1st two seasons) is trash, oreimo is garbage, but dropping them on first ep? Nah....i watched it whole.....there are shows which may have an unsatisfatory start bu may become really good later on(SWORD ART ONLINE ALICIZAION AS AN EXAMPLE.....THOUGH I THINK IT WILL AGAIN GO DOWN THE DRAINS)...... And 8man is considered one of the most legendary protagonists.........are you new the community? Because saying that one of the most milestone characters in anime history has a poor writing isn't really believable....Normally, no one would even consider putting yukino ahead of 8man as a character.......but, still it depends on opinion....... BUT SAYING THAT PROBABLY THE GREATEST LONER EVER IN ANIME HISTORY HAS A FEEBLE WRITING???? And hachiman is not a saint......i know that and i never said that...........He is just HUMANE..... I am not impatient. Actually, those shows gave me vibes that I don't like much hence I dropped them. It's true that some shows have unsatisfactory starts and turn out to be good later and biggest example of it is gintama which is my favorite series of all time but the thing with SAO and oreimo is that I just didn't like their vibes. Might check them out again someday if I run out of anime. >And 8man is considered one of.........................................................................................but, still it depends on opinion....... Just because I consider 8man's writing to be weak doesn't mean I am a newbie lmao. You see, 8man cult exists hence he is one of the most popular protagonists. I am not a part of that cult and there are loners like rei kiriyama or tomoko kuroki who has much more realistic writing than hachiman and unlike 8man, they aren't surrounded by beauties(yukino and yui) or has a bro like zaimokuza so their struggles too seem more realistic but again both of them are aimed at older audience than 8man is and also most of the kids who love 8man are like 14 and don't even understand his philosophy but like him just because he is portrayed in this weird cool but at the same time pitiful light which may also be subject to the barnum effect. Just because a character is popular doesn't mean he can't be criticized, you know how shitty some of the popular shonen and LN protagonists are. >BUT SAYING THAT PROBABLY...........................................................................................He is just HUMANE..... Again there is no such a thing as "the greatest loner" and if there is, get ready to be in war with berserk fandom or tomoko cult lol. But again, I consider 8man to be greater than almost all the light novel 'loner' protagonists because hachiman is actually a loner and a lovable introvert guy unlike some of the so called 'loner' protagonists. And yes 8man is humane but it's a tendency of his fans to make a saint out of him and bestow upon him with the titles such as dark knight if not the white knight(his cult actually uses the term dark knight). 8man is a kind cynic at the best. And yes 8man is humane but it's a tendency of his fans to make a saint out of him and bestow upon him with the titles such as dark knight if not the white knight(his cult actually uses the term dark knight). 8man is a kind cynic at the best. DONT WORRY ...........I AS A FACT WILL NEVER INSULT HIM WITH THESE STUPID TITLES LIKE DARK,WHITE,CRIMSON, OR WHATEVER.......OR REFER TO HIM AS SOME MACHO BADASS................I am not in his cult.........but i like him as a character.......i am with the majority on the case of 8man, though i agree that majority is not always correct........THEY ALSO LIKE ASUNA YUUKI AFTER ALL, DONT THEY? AND SENJOUGAHARA HITAGI AND AISAKA TAIGA ARE PRETTY POPULAR TOO, RIGHT? (weird people and their weird tastes.)..... On the same note, have you heard of youkoso jitsuryoku kyoushitsu e?(classroom of the elite).....if you know, please respond......there is something i find similar to oregairu, though on a different level............ Just because a character is popular doesn't mean he can't be criticized, you know how shitty some of the popular shonen and LN protagonists are. 100 percent truth.........no doubt......the one i hate the most would be the shiba siblings I have watched that show. The only similarity you can find between classroom of the elite and oregairu is that the main trio just has one or two traits in common like ayanokouji and 8man both being loners, horikita and yukino being long black haired beauties and kushieda and yui being the girls with short hair and big tits. That's probably the most common thing they have. Oregairu is character focused and classroom of the elite is story focused. Ayanokouji is a pretty badass guy tho, he is one of those cool loners type so I don't think there is any similarity between it and oregairu other than main characters sharing a trait or two. heh........i am not talkingabout the anime........the anime plot was complete trash.................what is really epic is the light novel.........and let me tell you, kushida is a complete scumbag..........not worthy of living....and SHE IS NOT A PART OF ANY TRIO..................AYANOKOJI ALWAYS WORKS ALONE............ yui is like million times better than kushida |
Jul 15, 2020 2:36 AM
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npandey said: By trio, it doesn't necessarily mean a group of three friends, it can also be used to denote three people or things who happen to have same status and since ayonokouji, horikita and kushida are listed as main characters, they can be referred to as trio. But again, they aren't friends and it's true that kushida is a scum, she doesn't deserve to be compared with yui but I was just stating similarity between her and her oregairu counterpart. cythraul said: npandey said: cythraul said: npandey said: >You are pretty impatient.....................................................................................AGAIN GO DOWN THE DRAINS)......cythraul said: npandey said: >HEY BUDDY, DID....................................................................................THE BLAMING THING?cythraul said: npandey said: I don't really see how yui or komachi has anything to do with the discussion. Hachiman helped manami(if you can even consider it as one) just so that she as the president of cultural fest committee could conclude that the festival was a success in front of students but she pussied out which meant that she did not have what it took to deliver the final speech which also meant that yukino's efforts would go to vain. Hachiman had seen how hard yukino worked for the sake of fest, even making herself sick in the process hence he acted just to help yukino. Hachiman actually never took blame, in fact sagami blamed him just so she could save her face because the only people who were there during their interaction were those two. Also for this act btw, he gets even more respect from his friends who are closer to him than other people.cythraul said: npandey said: I don't see how that makes hachiman better. He never helped manami to save her face, he just wanted culture fest to end without being ruined.cythraul said: npandey said: Again, I am not siding with her unintentionally either. If anyone, I am siding with yukino and everything I have said is in her favor. You gotta understand that 8man helping her on vengence doesn't mean I am making manami to be a good guy, not even unintentionally. As far as question of helping goes, hachiman does it to those who mostly deserve it and even during culture festival arc, he did it for yukino not manami and the requests for sevice club are accepted by yukino, not hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. That again proves that 8man is better....yes, requests are accepted by yukino, AND THE SHORT END OF THE STICK GOES TO HACHIMAN.......... and you probaably ignored it, but 8man helped BOTH yukino and minami in the cultural fest.......there was no reason for him to go so far in saving sagami's face if he was not helping her........ what do you mean by any better.................he is already the BEST PERSON ON THE ENTIRE CAST............. Dont tell me that apart from yukino, you consider morons like yui or side charac. like komachi to be ahead of 8man? And he did help manami..........did you not see that he made himself out to be the villian.he is not so foolish to not know the results of his own actions.............but still he did that............and that whole "taking the blame" was neither for yukino, nor for the cultural fest....it was for sagami........ HEY BUDDY,DID WE EVEN WATCH THE SAME THING? HACHIMAN WAS THE ONE WHO STARTS BERATING SAGAMI, EVEN THOUGH HE COULD SWEETTALK HER.........................SAGAMI IS THE REASON 8MAN TOOK THE BLAME, BUT SHE NEVER STARTED THE BLAME............CAN YOU SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT SAGAMI STARTED THE BLAMING THING???? and why are you so focused on saying that 8man only helped yukino or only wanted to help yukino....................LISTEN HERE, THE GREATEST REASON I LIKE 8MAN IS BECAUSE HE DOES NOT ACT LIKE THOSE STUPID CHIVALROUS DUDES(YOU WILL FIND THEM IN MANY ANIME....even more in bollywood or hollywood)......notable examples are- kirigaya kazuto, tatsuya shiba, almost every harem protagonist(there are exceptions), hewajima shizuo.............. ALl of these morons are the ones who help and protect one single girl(or a harem) and keep increasing their points by PROTECTING one stupid damsel, who keeps acting bitchy, and treats these white knights with a rude behaviour, either directly(kirino kousaka, louise the zero, ayano kannagi) or indirectly(YUKINOSHITA YUKINO IS THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE.......MIND YOU, IAM NOT NAMING HER JUST BECAUSE OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... As time passes, these damsels realize the "kindness" of these white knights, and open up to them, fixing or not fixing their behaviour(apparently, some creepy weaboos like these kinds of traits....but that's another story....) 8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... His help is indiscriminate.................If he took blows for the sake of yukinoshita yukino, he never stayed back while taking them for tobe either.......He helped Tsurumi rumi, and even jumped for yui's Dog..........He did not back down to help hayama hayato, and also saved kawasaki's ass...........he helped ebina and sagami equally.........AND YOU ARE SAYING-"HEY 8MAN IS A WHITE KNIGHT AND DOES ALL OF THIS FOR YUKINO TO SHOW HIS STUPID "MANLINESS".....(i hate this word)............." No he does not..........not even once 8man try to become some white knight..............He is a Really kind person.......WAY WAY AHEAD OF YUKINO IN TERMS OF HUMAN QUALITY OF KINDNESS.....He just makes it like he did not do anything...........and he thinks of changing his methods(later in the show) BECAUSE YUI AND YUKINO WOULD FEEL BAD..........HE DOES NOT DO IT FOR HIMSELF....HE HAS DONE 100X MORE FOR YUKINO AND YUI HAN THEY HAVE DONE FOR HIM...................the only one who properly returned favors to 8man is zaimokuza(even komachi)......and he is the only one who has HELPED 8man considerable number of times, in various ways.......yukino and yui are behind right now.......and you say that a legendary characterlike 8man will be defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ Of course the blaming thing wasn't shown in the anime and why the hell would hachiman go out of his way to take blame on himself. Everyone blamed 8man on what happened with sagami doesn't mean 8man TOOK the blame, it means he was blamed and sweet talk her? I said it earlier that if 8man wanted to help sagami, he could have sweet talked her because that is also the way but he chose the quickest method and that is because he wanted to get things done. >and why are you so..................................................................................... exceptions), hewajima shizuo............. 8man's intention was only to help yukino and that's a fact, you seem to have some delusion that 8man is this great altruist saint who helps everyone in need which is obviously not the case. As for yukino, she shows mirror to hachiman hence he always thinks of her differently than other folks and saying 8man cares for all is basically you guys making a saint out of him. >ALl of these morons are................................................................................OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... Again you are here saying that yukino is a damsel when she herself tries her best in her own way and 8man is multiple times luckier than yukino on a front that he doesn't have any family issues and has a caring imouto like komachi. 8man doesn't really have anything holding him back unlike yukino has and again yukino isn't some hopeless kid either, she has dealt with all of the bullshit on her own. It's just that as the time passes, she becomes bonded with hachiman and yui hence you would see her acting weak against her mother who is supposed to be absolute figure in yukinoshita household. Yukino gathers courage on her own btw. On the other hand, I must say that you have watched a lot of trashy protagonists that of course you'd think from the SAO or oreimo pov but you see, this thing called as 'friendship' is one of the center themes in oregairu and it does normally exist out of harem anime. >As time passes, these..................................................................................8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... Again wrong comparison, you are comparing apples with oranges. 8man isn't really any exception and he doesn't belong to the likes of kirito. If anything, 8man belongs to the band of 'introvert' protagonists like rei kiriyama or tomoko kuroki and even among those, he has weakest writing of all. >His help is indiscriminate...............................................................................defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ I never said 8man is a manly white knight(never even implied it) and perhaps you didn't really understand his character. You are thinking that 8man is an altruist saint when all he does is help other people out of obligation for his duties to the service club and sometimes out of kindness. I never said that he does everything for yukino, of course he does things for her but not everything and I remember that it was under service club the request of tobe and rumi. Hachiman is a kind person alright and I am not gonna deny that and perhaps on a spectra, his kindness does surpass yukino's but by no means it makes him a better character. Being kind isn't directly proportional to being good character(as in writing, not person) but even on that front, I must say that yukino is a really kind person herself. Yukino has her own strengths as a character which are different than 8man and I am not even bringing in her being an ideal waifu. Btw, I remember this thread about being "who do you like more?" instead of proving who is a better character. I don't really think of 8man as a legendary character and he is not even in my top 20 male characters meanwhile yukino is in my all time favorites(of course her being an ideal waifu has a big part in it). He has a weak writing among the introverted protagonists and kind characters. The only way he appears legendary is if you compare him with trashy isekai and harem protagonists because that's the pov you gave earlier and I couldn't even get past ep 1 of those shows if anything. Well looks like its time to stop this discussion...... Btw, I remember this thread about being "who do you like more?" instead of proving who is a better character. I don't really think of 8man as a legendary character and he is not even in my top 20 male characters meanwhile yukino is in my all time favorites(of course her being an ideal waifu has a big part in it). He has a weak writing among the introverted protagonists and kind characters. The only way he appears legendary is if you compare him with trashy isekai and harem protagonists because that's the pov you gave earlier and I couldn't even get past ep 1 of those shows if anything. You are pretty impatient, aren't you? Sao(1st two seasons) is trash, oreimo is garbage, but dropping them on first ep? Nah....i watched it whole.....there are shows which may have an unsatisfatory start bu may become really good later on(SWORD ART ONLINE ALICIZAION AS AN EXAMPLE.....THOUGH I THINK IT WILL AGAIN GO DOWN THE DRAINS)...... And 8man is considered one of the most legendary protagonists.........are you new the community? Because saying that one of the most milestone characters in anime history has a poor writing isn't really believable....Normally, no one would even consider putting yukino ahead of 8man as a character.......but, still it depends on opinion....... BUT SAYING THAT PROBABLY THE GREATEST LONER EVER IN ANIME HISTORY HAS A FEEBLE WRITING???? And hachiman is not a saint......i know that and i never said that...........He is just HUMANE..... I am not impatient. Actually, those shows gave me vibes that I don't like much hence I dropped them. It's true that some shows have unsatisfactory starts and turn out to be good later and biggest example of it is gintama which is my favorite series of all time but the thing with SAO and oreimo is that I just didn't like their vibes. Might check them out again someday if I run out of anime. >And 8man is considered one of.........................................................................................but, still it depends on opinion....... Just because I consider 8man's writing to be weak doesn't mean I am a newbie lmao. You see, 8man cult exists hence he is one of the most popular protagonists. I am not a part of that cult and there are loners like rei kiriyama or tomoko kuroki who has much more realistic writing than hachiman and unlike 8man, they aren't surrounded by beauties(yukino and yui) or has a bro like zaimokuza so their struggles too seem more realistic but again both of them are aimed at older audience than 8man is and also most of the kids who love 8man are like 14 and don't even understand his philosophy but like him just because he is portrayed in this weird cool but at the same time pitiful light which may also be subject to the barnum effect. Just because a character is popular doesn't mean he can't be criticized, you know how shitty some of the popular shonen and LN protagonists are. >BUT SAYING THAT PROBABLY...........................................................................................He is just HUMANE..... Again there is no such a thing as "the greatest loner" and if there is, get ready to be in war with berserk fandom or tomoko cult lol. But again, I consider 8man to be greater than almost all the light novel 'loner' protagonists because hachiman is actually a loner and a lovable introvert guy unlike some of the so called 'loner' protagonists. And yes 8man is humane but it's a tendency of his fans to make a saint out of him and bestow upon him with the titles such as dark knight if not the white knight(his cult actually uses the term dark knight). 8man is a kind cynic at the best. And yes 8man is humane but it's a tendency of his fans to make a saint out of him and bestow upon him with the titles such as dark knight if not the white knight(his cult actually uses the term dark knight). 8man is a kind cynic at the best. DONT WORRY ...........I AS A FACT WILL NEVER INSULT HIM WITH THESE STUPID TITLES LIKE DARK,WHITE,CRIMSON, OR WHATEVER.......OR REFER TO HIM AS SOME MACHO BADASS................I am not in his cult.........but i like him as a character.......i am with the majority on the case of 8man, though i agree that majority is not always correct........THEY ALSO LIKE ASUNA YUUKI AFTER ALL, DONT THEY? AND SENJOUGAHARA HITAGI AND AISAKA TAIGA ARE PRETTY POPULAR TOO, RIGHT? (weird people and their weird tastes.)..... On the same note, have you heard of youkoso jitsuryoku kyoushitsu e?(classroom of the elite).....if you know, please respond......there is something i find similar to oregairu, though on a different level............ Just because a character is popular doesn't mean he can't be criticized, you know how shitty some of the popular shonen and LN protagonists are. 100 percent truth.........no doubt......the one i hate the most would be the shiba siblings I have watched that show. The only similarity you can find between classroom of the elite and oregairu is that the main trio just has one or two traits in common like ayanokouji and 8man both being loners, horikita and yukino being long black haired beauties and kushieda and yui being the girls with short hair and big tits. That's probably the most common thing they have. Oregairu is character focused and classroom of the elite is story focused. Ayanokouji is a pretty badass guy tho, he is one of those cool loners type so I don't think there is any similarity between it and oregairu other than main characters sharing a trait or two. heh........i am not talkingabout the anime........the anime plot was complete trash.................what is really epic is the light novel.........and let me tell you, kushida is a complete scumbag..........not worthy of living....and SHE IS NOT A PART OF ANY TRIO..................AYANOKOJI ALWAYS WORKS ALONE............ yui is like million times better than kushida |
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Jul 15, 2020 2:42 AM
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| Hachiman is better, however Oregairu is shit. Watch Hyouka instead. |
Jul 15, 2020 3:08 AM
#76
| Well i ofcourse liked hachiman but it would be great to have a girlfriend like yukino tho..lol... |
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Jul 15, 2020 3:14 AM
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npandey said: 25NOVember said: Richard_King said: pissolati said: Richard_King said: I'm only on season 1, episode 6 but I don't like either of them, especially Yukino. First of all, I like the fact that the main character is a laid back kinda guy with a pessimistic view of life but I hate that he's such a wimp. As for Yukino, I am baffled at how she's a fan favourite wtf, she's stuck up and is constantly mean to the main character sometimes even for no reason when it's not called for. The annoying thing is I know she ends up with him (knew before I started this) and it's really annoying as I prefer the pink haired girl (so far). For Yukino, she seems like the type of character who shuts out everyone else or maybe she had a bad past or something and needs someone to break her out of her shell, if that is the case, then it's fucking annoying as I hate characters like that. It shouldn't be the main characters job to break you out of your shell goddammit. Just stop acting like such a bitch! That being said I've only watched the first 6 episodes of season 1 and those are my impressions. I don't know if Yukino ever improves but I really don't like her so far. thanks for the unnecessary spoiler AHOOOO If you mean the part where I said he gets with Yukino, well turns out I was wrong, apparently that hasn't happened in the light novel (yet), so you're fine. Though it is pretty obvious regardless. Taking 8man's personality in consideration, you cant say for sure. For all we know he may end up with no one. I also think that he should not end up with anyone.....or else there would be no difference between him and protagonists of harem. Nah! I want him to go for Yukino. Also it's not a harem show.. Again 8man kindof likes yukino already so he will end up with her anyway. We know the answer pretty well but it still makes this anime a great show. Because of all the characters. Hachiman is ofcourse a legend but i like all other characters as well except for Tobe. That guy(Tobe) is irritating kindof.. |
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Jul 15, 2020 3:59 AM
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npandey said: cythraul said: npandey said: cythraul said: npandey said: I don't see how that makes hachiman better. He never helped manami to save her face, he just wanted culture fest to end without being ruined.cythraul said: npandey said: Again, I am not siding with her unintentionally either. If anyone, I am siding with yukino and everything I have said is in her favor. You gotta understand that 8man helping her on vengence doesn't mean I am making manami to be a good guy, not even unintentionally. As far as question of helping goes, hachiman does it to those who mostly deserve it and even during culture festival arc, he did it for yukino not manami and the requests for sevice club are accepted by yukino, not hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. That again proves that 8man is better....yes, requests are accepted by yukino, AND THE SHORT END OF THE STICK GOES TO HACHIMAN.......... and you probaably ignored it, but 8man helped BOTH yukino and minami in the cultural fest.......there was no reason for him to go so far in saving sagami's face if he was not helping her........ what do you mean by any better.................he is already the BEST PERSON ON THE ENTIRE CAST............. Dont tell me that apart from yukino, you consider morons like yui or side charac. like komachi to be ahead of 8man? And he did help manami..........did you not see that he made himself out to be the villian.he is not so foolish to not know the results of his own actions.............but still he did that............and that whole "taking the blame" was neither for yukino, nor for the cultural fest....it was for sagami........ HEY BUDDY,DID WE EVEN WATCH THE SAME THING? HACHIMAN WAS THE ONE WHO STARTS BERATING SAGAMI, EVEN THOUGH HE COULD SWEETTALK HER.........................SAGAMI IS THE REASON 8MAN TOOK THE BLAME, BUT SHE NEVER STARTED THE BLAME............CAN YOU SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT SAGAMI STARTED THE BLAMING THING???? and why are you so focused on saying that 8man only helped yukino or only wanted to help yukino....................LISTEN HERE, THE GREATEST REASON I LIKE 8MAN IS BECAUSE HE DOES NOT ACT LIKE THOSE STUPID CHIVALROUS DUDES(YOU WILL FIND THEM IN MANY ANIME....even more in bollywood or hollywood)......notable examples are- kirigaya kazuto, tatsuya shiba, almost every harem protagonist(there are exceptions), hewajima shizuo.............. ALl of these morons are the ones who help and protect one single girl(or a harem) and keep increasing their points by PROTECTING one stupid damsel, who keeps acting bitchy, and treats these white knights with a rude behaviour, either directly(kirino kousaka, louise the zero, ayano kannagi) or indirectly(YUKINOSHITA YUKINO IS THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE.......MIND YOU, IAM NOT NAMING HER JUST BECAUSE OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... As time passes, these damsels realize the "kindness" of these white knights, and open up to them, fixing or not fixing their behaviour(apparently, some creepy weaboos like these kinds of traits....but that's another story....) 8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... His help is indiscriminate.................If he took blows for the sake of yukinoshita yukino, he never stayed back while taking them for tobe either.......He helped Tsurumi rumi, and even jumped for yui's Dog..........He did not back down to help hayama hayato, and also saved kawasaki's ass...........he helped ebina and sagami equally.........AND YOU ARE SAYING-"HEY 8MAN IS A WHITE KNIGHT AND DOES ALL OF THIS FOR YUKINO TO SHOW HIS STUPID "MANLINESS".....(i hate this word)............." No he does not..........not even once 8man try to become some white knight..............He is a Really kind person.......WAY WAY AHEAD OF YUKINO IN TERMS OF HUMAN QUALITY OF KINDNESS.....He just makes it like he did not do anything...........and he thinks of changing his methods(later in the show) BECAUSE YUI AND YUKINO WOULD FEEL BAD..........HE DOES NOT DO IT FOR HIMSELF....HE HAS DONE 100X MORE FOR YUKINO AND YUI HAN THEY HAVE DONE FOR HIM...................the only one who properly returned favors to 8man is zaimokuza(even komachi)......and he is the only one who has HELPED 8man considerable number of times, in various ways.......yukino and yui are behind right now.......and you say that a legendary characterlike 8man will be defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ Sir, npandey don't even compare 8man's character to popular characters like Kirito(by popular i mean popular with girls in anime). 8man is a better character out of all anime i have seen(best if i have to say){Maybe it's because i like school/Romance/slice of life genre more than others} but that doesn't mean that i don't like characters like Kirito. I like him as well. If you say people has a weird taste than those same people will think of you that way as well. That's just how reality in this world works. In fact i like SAO as well(Now there will be coming a wave of hate soon i am getting chills...lol.)........ But Oregairu Novel is a well written great story and the anime adaptation is good as well.... As for the topic of whom i like more, I like Hachiman over Yukino (even if she is a cute female) because hachiman's personality is definately better than hers. Also this doesn't mean i dislike Yukino. Yukino had a weak willed character in 2nd season but still she tries her best to face her problems by herself... In fact the whole plot of the 3rd season will be this that Yukino is going to face her problems by herself but Hachiman wants to help her... Hachiman is a kind person far kinder than any other character(that's why Hiratsuka Sensei wanted to help him and told him to join the club). He is kind because he can suffer any guilt/shame and becomes villian as long as others are ok and the problem is solved. Anyways the 3rd season is airing(hope you are enjoying it because i am) so complete that one maybe your opinion about other characters like yukino might change a little bit... |
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Hikki_Senpai said: npandey said: cythraul said: npandey said: I don't really see how yui or komachi has anything to do with the discussion. Hachiman helped manami(if you can even consider it as one) just so that she as the president of cultural fest committee could conclude that the festival was a success in front of students but she pussied out which meant that she did not have what it took to deliver the final speech which also meant that yukino's efforts would go to vain. Hachiman had seen how hard yukino worked for the sake of fest, even making herself sick in the process hence he acted just to help yukino. Hachiman actually never took blame, in fact sagami blamed him just so she could save her face because the only people who were there during their interaction were those two. Also for this act btw, he gets even more respect from his friends who are closer to him than other people.cythraul said: npandey said: I don't see how that makes hachiman better. He never helped manami to save her face, he just wanted culture fest to end without being ruined.cythraul said: npandey said: Again, I am not siding with her unintentionally either. If anyone, I am siding with yukino and everything I have said is in her favor. You gotta understand that 8man helping her on vengence doesn't mean I am making manami to be a good guy, not even unintentionally. As far as question of helping goes, hachiman does it to those who mostly deserve it and even during culture festival arc, he did it for yukino not manami and the requests for sevice club are accepted by yukino, not hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: No lmao, I am not hating on 8man and he did act on a vengeful intention, if yukino wasn't involved in the case, he would have given two shits about the situation. The man helps other only because he is in the service club. 8man isn't an altruistic guy. He made her realize her bitchiness and that's because he was pissed off on how she acted in a completely bitchy manner when yukino overworked herself for her. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. cythraul said: npandey said: Was that meant to be the example of her greatness? No. That was an example to show just how dedicated yukino is to the service club and she does all she can to help others. Sure zaimokuza is a great character and I love him as much as hachiman but even hachiman and yui weren't able to touch whatever the shit he wrote and yukino still went through cringefest just to review it. cythraul said: npandey said: Facing bullying as a kid is a serious matter. You gotta understand that hachiman gets used to be treated like trash as time passes by but doesn't face any intensive bullying as a kid. Whether he/she is superior or not doesn't matter when everyone around you is actively against you. Hachiman was never actively hated, he was just pitied and hence he also pitied normies in return which I think is a pretty normal. What hachiman did during cultural festival to minami was influenced by yukino, she was being exploited and she let herself be exploited, this is where hachiman thought it was wrong for yukino to be exploited without any credit when the president was doing nothing so it was yukino who influenced what hachiman did during the cultural festival to minami. Hachiman is indeed a strong character when he goes to help others without giving a shit but then he doesn't really have any family issues like yukino either. The fact that yukino still holds it together and helps other people despite all the issues makes her a pretty strong character already(remember she was alone in service club before 8man and yui joined). Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that.cythraul said: npandey said: Yukino is actually a fairly strong character in a sense that she has faced bullying in the past hence she always keeps her guard up which in that sense has side effects too. She closed herself to the world because of her past which even hayama is shown to regret. Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man. Actually, yukino is the main reason for his behaviour as in cases where service club is involved like the cultural festival arc or even during the student council president arc which are the two major arcs as far as the series is concerned. Now 8man's personality is like that because of his past but his behaviour is fairly influenced by yukino.cythraul said: npandey said: Yes indeed all the problems were solved by hachiman and he is an interesting character but I love yukino's retorts even more and she struggles in her own way to make things work out. She works hard and doesn't even care if she is exploited as long as things work out for her and she is mostly the main reason why 8man acts as the way he does.cythraul said: npandey said: Technically yes, I like her more than hachiman because her character and personality makes her be an ideal waifu.cythraul said: npandey said: Like I stated(#43) she is in my favorites because she is an ideal waifu. I stated in my OG reply(#28) that yukino is an ideal waifu and I stated it because she is in my favorites just to answer the question of who do I like more. Stating that she is an ideal waifu just shows that I like her wayy more than hachiman.cythraul said: npandey said: I kinda get that yukino being an ideal waifu does involve her gender but by your logic she should be even greater than all the male characters which is not the case for me since I think there are male characters who are superior(gintoki and katsura being the examples I gave earlier). THE WORD IDEAL MEANS PERFECT, RIGHT? and perfect means at the top... so all your ideal waifus(which would be female) would always be above all male characters........as they areperfect because of a waifu tag, right? Though this is just a logocal conclusion....... That means female characters in your list would enjoy a special advantage.....that is what i am saying.... and the fact that you like yukino more maybe driven by this fact instead of a proper personality comparison (which has got nothing to do with gender) To put it simply, I like yukino's character more than hachiman even if ignored the fact that yukino is an ideal waifu. It's just that she is one of my favorite characters of all time because she is an ideal waifu. is she your fav. BECAUSE she is an ideal waifu? OR she is an ideal waifu BECAUSE she is your fav.? which one is it? and the reason is that she is an ideal waifu, right? I feel like we are going in a loop here. i was going to say that loop thing next....... but now you have ended the loop....how is her personality better than 8man.....i mean, all the problems were solved by 8man, were they not? i totally disagree with the last part...........yukinoshita yukino is actually a weak willed person who cannot take any attacks.................8man is the complete opposite in that respect.........and yukino is NOT the reason for his behaviour..the reason for this behaviour was his past.. "Yukino can take attacks and is able to attack too but in certain cases she isn't which doesn't mean she is completely vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, she has shut down bitches like miura or kaori fairly when the former was attacking yui and the latter was roasting 8man." Yep, but the way 8man shut down sagami was way more epic compared to this............yukino, when she shut down miura, that was perceived by the observers(around her) as somewhat positive and the villian title was shared partially by yukiko(if not all)......whereas when hachiman shut(actually he saved) minami, he was made out be the 100% bad guy, when he did not even have to do anything with the matter.........yukino was bullied because she was superior than others, and others got jealous of this fact.......that means they ACCEPTED that she was superior to them, and hence the bullying......hachiman IS NOT PERCEIVED AS SUPERIOR BY ANYBODY, he is treated like trash.........even after he went so far in helping worthless people.........his actions are not influenced by anyone but his own personality and that has nothing to do with yukino whatsoever.......he sacrifices a lot for people without hesitation......but yukino does not do that.....Why? Because she is scared......isn't it easy to pick......someone who is mistreated because she is superior and shuts herself out because of that........and someone who is treated like trash but still goes so far to help people by sacrificing himself.....who is a stronger human? "Btw she also read whatever the shit zaimokuza wrote just to complete her duty as a part of service club, I doubt anyone could do that." is this the only example yukino lovers have? moreover, if you compare the personalities of sagami and zaimokuza, the difference is like hell and heaven.....zaimokuza is an excellent character(yes i love him) with a great personality as a human, so HE DESERVES TO BE HELPED.......YUKINO HELPED SOMEONE WHO DESERVES TO BE HELPED........ALSO, THIS DID NOT STAIN HER IMAGE IN ANY WAY.......PEOPLE DID NOT START TALKING RUMORS LIKE- " Hey there is the person who read zaimokuza'a novel"........ COMPARED TO ZAIMOKU, SAGAMI IS A SHITTY BITCH, WHO DESERVES TO BE BEATEN TOP A PULP.......EVEN SO, HACHIMAN HELPS HER BY SACRIFICING HIMSELF........HE HELPS THAT BITCH......BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE WOULD HELP HER IF THEY KNEW HER PERSONALITY........(HE SAYS-"WE ARE SIMILAR. WE BOTH FEED FROM THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF SOCIETY...").....so he helped her.......And he precisely knew that even though zaimoku might be an otaku, but he is a fantastic person......and he would be helped without 8man needing to sacrifice himself.... 8MAN JUST LEAVES THE GOOD PEOPLE TO YUKINO AND YUI.......AND TAKES ON THE SHITHEADS HIMSELF..............SO HE IS THE ONE WHO FACES THE REAL BASTARDS, AND AFTER HURTING HIMSELF, ALSO FACES THE CRITICISM FROM YUI AND YUKINO.... It wasn't hachiman who helped manami, it was yukino. Manami was supposed to be the prez of cultural fest committee but instead of her doing any real work, yukino did all the work for her so the cutural festival being neatly organized was the effort of yukino not manami and hachiman just got pissed at seeing how manami lost balls at the end which would have ruined the festival but he didn't want to see yukino's efforts go to waste hence he did all that shit talking to manami on the roof. The truth is that hachiman wasn't kind enough to help her, if he truly wanted to help 'manami', he could have used a soft approach but he talked to her as if he was pissed and that was because he didn't want to see yukino's efforts ruined because of a bitch. Here, yukino helped manami with a good heart meanwhile 8man helped her with a vengeful one. wait wait, my friend, you are totally misunderstanding.......!!!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT 8MAN HELPED SAGAMI WITH A VENGEFUL INTENTION? YOU ARE TALKING IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER AS THOSE POEPLE WHO SIDED WITH MANAMI .......THOUGH YUKINO WAS REALLY GOOD ON FIRST SEASON, SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD........8 MAN HELPED SAGAMI IN THE BEST AND MOST CONSIDERATE WAY POSSIBLE! HE MADE HER REALIZE HER BITCHINESS WITHOUT EXPOSING IT.........HE SHOWED HATRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT SAGAMI TO SELF EXPLODE!!!! THIS MUCH IS CLEARLY OBVIOUS....................................AND HE ALSO HELPED YUKINO IN THE PROCESS, MAKING HER THE MVP, MAKING SAGAMI THE VICTIM AND MAKING HIMSELF THE VILLIAN.... >SHE BECAME A WEAK CHARACTER IN SECOND AND WILL GET WORSE IN THIRD No, all that happened was that yukino's character got some development and having family issues doesn't make her a weak person. You are talking like having family issues is her character's fault when all she was trying to do was going against her mother and she even got some confidence in the end by the start of this season. She even faces haruno with confidence. What's with siding with manami lmao? Making a case for yukino doesn't mean I am siding with manami. You need to open your eyes a little bit. Well i apologise.......I should have said that you are siding with manami UNINTENTIONALLY........8MAN HELPS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED INTO THE SERVICE CLUB.......true, but as a member, he has the right to help those who deserve help........still, he helps even the nutcases who can't even say thank you............. That again proves that 8man is better....yes, requests are accepted by yukino, AND THE SHORT END OF THE STICK GOES TO HACHIMAN.......... and you probaably ignored it, but 8man helped BOTH yukino and minami in the cultural fest.......there was no reason for him to go so far in saving sagami's face if he was not helping her........ what do you mean by any better.................he is already the BEST PERSON ON THE ENTIRE CAST............. Dont tell me that apart from yukino, you consider morons like yui or side charac. like komachi to be ahead of 8man? And he did help manami..........did you not see that he made himself out to be the villian.he is not so foolish to not know the results of his own actions.............but still he did that............and that whole "taking the blame" was neither for yukino, nor for the cultural fest....it was for sagami........ HEY BUDDY,DID WE EVEN WATCH THE SAME THING? HACHIMAN WAS THE ONE WHO STARTS BERATING SAGAMI, EVEN THOUGH HE COULD SWEETTALK HER.........................SAGAMI IS THE REASON 8MAN TOOK THE BLAME, BUT SHE NEVER STARTED THE BLAME............CAN YOU SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT SAGAMI STARTED THE BLAMING THING???? and why are you so focused on saying that 8man only helped yukino or only wanted to help yukino....................LISTEN HERE, THE GREATEST REASON I LIKE 8MAN IS BECAUSE HE DOES NOT ACT LIKE THOSE STUPID CHIVALROUS DUDES(YOU WILL FIND THEM IN MANY ANIME....even more in bollywood or hollywood)......notable examples are- kirigaya kazuto, tatsuya shiba, almost every harem protagonist(there are exceptions), hewajima shizuo.............. ALl of these morons are the ones who help and protect one single girl(or a harem) and keep increasing their points by PROTECTING one stupid damsel, who keeps acting bitchy, and treats these white knights with a rude behaviour, either directly(kirino kousaka, louise the zero, ayano kannagi) or indirectly(YUKINOSHITA YUKINO IS THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE.......MIND YOU, IAM NOT NAMING HER JUST BECAUSE OF THE OREGAIRU THREAD)..... As time passes, these damsels realize the "kindness" of these white knights, and open up to them, fixing or not fixing their behaviour(apparently, some creepy weaboos like these kinds of traits....but that's another story....) 8MAN IS AN EXCEPTION..... His help is indiscriminate.................If he took blows for the sake of yukinoshita yukino, he never stayed back while taking them for tobe either.......He helped Tsurumi rumi, and even jumped for yui's Dog..........He did not back down to help hayama hayato, and also saved kawasaki's ass...........he helped ebina and sagami equally.........AND YOU ARE SAYING-"HEY 8MAN IS A WHITE KNIGHT AND DOES ALL OF THIS FOR YUKINO TO SHOW HIS STUPID "MANLINESS".....(i hate this word)............." No he does not..........not even once 8man try to become some white knight..............He is a Really kind person.......WAY WAY AHEAD OF YUKINO IN TERMS OF HUMAN QUALITY OF KINDNESS.....He just makes it like he did not do anything...........and he thinks of changing his methods(later in the show) BECAUSE YUI AND YUKINO WOULD FEEL BAD..........HE DOES NOT DO IT FOR HIMSELF....HE HAS DONE 100X MORE FOR YUKINO AND YUI HAN THEY HAVE DONE FOR HIM...................the only one who properly returned favors to 8man is zaimokuza(even komachi)......and he is the only one who has HELPED 8man considerable number of times, in various ways.......yukino and yui are behind right now.......and you say that a legendary characterlike 8man will be defeated by yukino???? Not in a hundred years........ Sir, npandey don't even compare 8man's character to popular characters like Kirito(by popular i mean popular with girls in anime). 8man is a better character out of all anime i have seen(best if i have to say){Maybe it's because i like school/Romance/slice of life genre more than others} but that doesn't mean that i don't like characters like Kirito. I like him as well. If you say people has a weird taste than those same people will think of you that way as well. That's just how reality in this world works. In fact i like SAO as well(Now there will be coming a wave of hate soon i am getting chills...lol.)........ But Oregairu Novel is a well written great story and the anime adaptation is good as well.... As for the topic of whom i like more, I like Hachiman over Yukino (even if she is a cute female) because hachiman's personality is definately better than hers. Also this doesn't mean i dislike Yukino. Yukino had a weak willed character in 2nd season but still she tries her best to face her problems by herself... In fact the whole plot of the 3rd season will be this that Yukino is going to face her problems by herself but Hachiman wants to help her... Hachiman is a kind person far kinder than any other character(that's why Hiratsuka Sensei wanted to help him and told him to join the club). He is kind because he can suffer any guilt/shame and becomes villian as long as others are ok and the problem is solved. Anyways the 3rd season is airing(hope you are enjoying it because i am) so complete that one maybe your opinion about other characters like yukino might change a little bit... Kirito is trash in my opinion........if anyone is bearable to watch in sao, i will say it is asuna, and that too, in the latest season....... You are right, people actually do like sao......no probllem with that.......and i dont have the right to say anything about anyone else because i myself hate KIMI NO SUIZO WO TABETAI , which is a mainstream movie liked by almost everyone.............................. AH, though there was one thing positive about kimi.....tabetai...... Sakura's nutshot to the cap guy gave mw an idea to extract revenge on my bastard teacher.....other than that, i found the movie crap...... so there are strange opinions everywhere..... |
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