Domestic Girlfriend
| Who do you think the mc would end up to, please answer seriuosly. Because if I continue to read I think I will only end up hurting myself. I'm frustrated, I can't stop rooting for Hina. What should I do? |
lushlif_Nov 16, 2018 9:10 PM
cabrerajohn said: Hina. Still hoping for rui though Same lol Hi, I want to hear your thoughts about why rui should end up with the mc? Also, I want to add up, the mc doesn't deserve Hina. |
lushlif_Nov 16, 2018 9:22 PM
| I want to believe that it would be Rui considering their first encounter and how well she supported Natsuo all this time especially when he's just broken up with Hina and when he had a slump. But with Rui in America and with all the development with the Stalker and currently his slump again which Hina might help him with... it's hard to say. Hina and Natsuo did have a great bond not long ago. But I don't want him to be a jerk and go back to Hina just like that. I don't want this to end up like Kimi no Iru Machi, I still remember how much of a douchebag Haruto was. |
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| Well, I don't know because i dropped this manga at ch 67 and gave it 1 if possible i want to give this minus infinite because i feel so frustrated reading every ch of this fucking garbage manga after that i've checked some ch to see how it is going but still... the fucking drama. |
| Oh fuck nevermind, this shit's turning into a harem. such a waste. |
Congintive said: Well, I don't know because i dropped this manga at ch 67 and gave it 1 if possible i want to give this minus infinite because i feel so frustrated reading every ch of this fucking garbage manga after that i've checked some ch to see how it is going but still... the fucking drama. I regretted not dropping this manga around chapters 80+, or around something like that. Well, the thing that keeps me want to continue read this is that deep inside me I still want Hina to end up with the Mc, but, this shit's just getting worse every chapter. My last hope's the anime though.... |
| Damn so serious. Befitting of this very serious manga. I think Rui. I also prefer Rui. Hina's a bit too much of the messed up while trying to be semi-mature character for me. Also Rui is friendly. Hina will have options among some odd men. Rui only fancies MC. Artist also has decent taste when it comes to presenting Rui. Also Rui is not as messed up as most of this insane cast. Best version of Rui is like an actually good person. Please vote for Rui in the next contest she enters. Thanks for your service to Rui Tachibana |
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Sunnyme said: lamawalrus said: Damn so serious. Befitting of this very serious manga. I think Rui. I also prefer Rui. Hina's a bit too much of the messed up while trying to be semi-mature character for me. Also Rui is friendly. Hina will have options among some odd men. Rui only fancies MC. Artist also has decent taste when it comes to presenting Rui. Also Rui is not as messed up as most of this insane cast. Best version of Rui is like an actually good person. Please vote for Rui in the next contest she enters. Thanks for your service to Rui Tachibana Friendly? Rui? She actually has friendly people around her and they have been friendly to her. Thanks to Natsuo, she was able to function better around people. What does that mean - Hina will have options among some odd men? Maybe Rui only fancies Natsuo now but so does Hina and so does Miyabi. Where is it written in stone that you're only supposed to be with one person for the rest of your life? It looks like Rui will have other options too. Do you have any real basis for the things that you're claiming? She's plenty messed up for me - she does a lot of underhanded stuff because it's what she wants, not because it's best for the person she loves. I think that Hina is a very good character. Hello. If you want to talk about little basis, then I prefer if you suffocate me with basis of your own! For now you only present vague feelings, similar to what I did in my post. |
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| Mind if I join your discussion, I am in favor of Sunnyme, Hina's character shows many good points compared to rui. |
Sunnyme said: Suffocate is a nice word choice. You are the only person I've ever seen describe Rui as friendly. Even her own write up doesn't describe her as friendly. Her fans frequently refer to her as tsundere. I don't think you being the only one I've seen means that you're a unique thinker (though you might be), I just think it means that you are wrong. I don't think I'm being vague about anything - have you not really read the manga? Not vague in what you mean, vague in justifying it. "She does a lot of underhanded stuff" is not a lot of justification, similar to my lines like "Rui is not as messed up as most". You guys don't seem motivated enough to get into this properly on your own, so I guess I'll do it for you: Both characters are clearly meant to be good. They do gestures of kindness, self-sacrifice, and love. Everything else is a caveat. Superficially, Rui is intended to be blunt and a little hard to approach. Not in a classic tsundere way like Rin Toosaka, but something more related to social awkwardness. Also with the added "demon" vibe when she is angry, a common gag for her character trope. Hina on the other hand is superficially friendly and has a big sister vibe. Sure, I see where you're coming from, but this is the basics that change small comments, first meetings, and a lot of jokes. Underneath that, Hina is a character that revolves around hiding, secrecy, deciding things that impact others on her own, and bottling things up. This is core in almost all her story and remarked on by the characters, Natsuo losing it over that behavior at one point. Rui's "tsundere" behavior is just a thin layer on top of insecurity and deep friendliness. She consistently does small gestures for Natsuo throughout the start of the story more than any character, and chooses her profession for a similar reason, making others have a good time. Most of her worries relating to Natsuo are about making her sister sad. Her relationships with others go through a short standoff-ish phase, which quickly transitions to her being understanding, forgiving and/or friendly, as is seen at the restaurant, and with Al, Shuu, Takiya and even Serizawa. It's not that I'm a unique thinker, it's just that you're talking about surface level character design (mostly tropes), not what is revealed throughout the story which is (imo) more interesting in most stories. |
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| To answer OP: That's pretty hard to tell, anything can happen at this point, but if I had to bet I guess Rui? Natsuo x Hina didn't work, she regarded him as a kid and didn't really trust him, unilaterally choosing to dump him via a letter "for his sake as well" before getting the fuck out of there. (Frankly even if he can forgive her, I wouldn't be able to trust her ever again after that if I were in his shoes.) Now he's with Rui, there's no obvious reason why they would break up for the moment (apart from the fact that they are step-siblings, but that's the case with Hina as well anyway). So like I said, no way to tell (the author can do whatever she wants after all) but I'd bet on Rui. About the little debate: Here's my 2 cents, I don't claim to have the answer because it's completely subjective, but in my opinion:
Once again, this is my completely biased, subjective opinion, you're free to disagree! |
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Sunnyme said: Your account gives the impression that she took the easy and cowardly way out when that's not supported by the facts. Hina did her utmost to discourage Natsuo from pursuing her. She genuinely loved him and she was concerned for his future and wanted to protect his dream. Sasuga established very clearly that Natsuo would have been the one to suffer the most if they got together and were found out. The incident would have gone on his permanent record and he would have been either expelled or suspended. She took all the punishment and left so that he would not be punished. So it really was for his sake. That was the deal she made with the school – to have no further contact with him while he was a student there. [...] I explained this already – yeah, just conveniently leave out that she had to go to protect him and his dream of being a writer. She does not share her problems (pain and fear) with others so that she won’t burden them – that’s being considerate. I don't disagree when you say it was better for him to break up (it was in fact), but I doubt it would really have been worse for him than for her. A kid dating his teacher will be forgiven with time because "youth", a teacher dating her student will not be as easily forgiven since she's the more "responsible" one and has a form a "power" over her student. At least that's how it would turn out with the moral values of my country, but maybe it doesn't apply exactly the same way in Japan? But anyway that isn't the issue I have here. What really bothered me was not what she did (I'd say she was right to) but the way she did it. With a frikkin letter instead of talking to him. It made it so that Natsuo didn't get the proper closure he needed to get over the relationship, letting him shattered for (I don't remember exactly, but what felt like) a pretty long time for such a short relationship. Now obviously he would have tried to cling to her if they met, but it's not like he could have done anything if she firmly refused. So I actually like the way you phrased my thoughts, which is spot on: "the cowardly way out". Just it's not the "way out" part that bothers me, but the fact that she did it "cowardly", which only hurt Natsuo even more. |
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Sunnyme said: She's mentioned it to him and there was also an incident where another illicit affair between teacher and student was discovered. She says that the student is punished as well. Right or wrong, you have to go with the rules of the manga not even Japan or any other country. Fair enough I guess. Sunnyme said: Both Natsuo and Hina were in love with each other for a long while before they began their relationship. Was there some magic formula for how long characters are supposed to take to get over each other? Yeah I'll agree that was actually dumb, but it would still have been faster with proper closure was my main point. Sunnyme said: Again, about her meeting him in person to break up - the condition of Natsuo facing zero punishment was zero contact with her. She could not meet him. She was upholding her end of the bargain. That's called being honourable, it has nothing to do with cowardice. You had me doubting for a minute, so I went ahead and re-read it. That's not what happened. At all. I couldn't find the exact conditions, the scene ends with her begging the principal. Maybe those were mentioned somewhere else but it looks she didn't give a shit either way, because what I did find that I had forgotten is that she asks him on a date to the amusement park, and she even directly asks him to kiss her at the end (obviously no mention of being found out or breaking up). And that's after the meeting with the principal, and before the letter. Sunnyme said: I understand about your bias but at some point you should try to base your statements on the actual action of the manga and not on what you wish happened. Right back at you I guess? |
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| Both. Natsuo wrote about gay relationships. Kei Sasuga can write about polygamist relationships >:) |
| On the one hand I'll give my opinion on the fair points you make: Sunnyme said: Where is your evidence that it would have hurt him less if she'd broken up with him face to face? I'll admit I have no real evidence, but that's how psychology generally works. He would still have been hurt as much but would probably have been able to understand/accept the reality of what happened (and thus move on) a bit faster/more easily. Sunnyme said: You are like obviously he would have tried to cling to her if they met, but it's not like he could have done anything if she firmly refused. This is not in line with Natsuo's character. He's Capt-Save-A-Hoe, he was in love in her and promised to marry her. Do you honestly think he really would have done nothing when his girlfriend is leaving and being punished? He would have insisted on going with her. He has shown that he can be relentless where she was concerned in spite of her refusals. She caught him kissing Rui, she tried to get away from him by moving out and Natsuo still had the guts to pursue her. Insistent for sure, but I don't think he'd go as far as stalking her all the way to another city. I mean he still could have after the letter and chose not to. And if she refuses him then he cannot do anything, that's how couples work: it takes two consenting people. Cutting contact with him after a serious talk would have been fine too. Sunnyme said: Once again:I've had this discussion so many times and the underlying motive has always been to negate Hina's sacrifice. Many anti-Hina fans want the benefit of the breakup but want to decry the character and put a negative spin on all her actions so that she can have no future claims on him. If this doesn't apply to you, let it fly. Jal51 said: What really bothered me was not what she did (I'd say she was right to) but the way she did it. With a frikkin letter instead of talking to him. Calling it a sacrifice though? That's debatable since Natsuo was not the only one that had something to lose, her name would have been dragged through the mud as well if that was made public. But she did do it for his sake as well, there's no denying that of course. On the other hand, I can't believe you act all condescending and say: Sunnyme said: ...acting like I misunderstood what you were meaning, when you literally said just before:Nobody said that it happened instantaneously. I thought you took all of this into consideration already. Obviously, she had time to talk to him beforehand and didn't. Sunnyme said: Again, about her meeting him in person to break up - the condition of Natsuo facing zero punishment was zero contact with her. She could not meet him. She was upholding her end of the bargain. That's called being honourable, it has nothing to do with cowardice. That's just disingenuous at this point. |
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Sunnyme said: I'll admit I have no real evidence, but that's how psychology generally works. He would still have been hurt as much but would probably have been able to understand/accept the reality of what happened (and thus move on) a bit faster/more easily. This makes absolutely no sense. Eh? A big part of psychology is about observing behavior and using that to explain and predict behaviour. Where have you used psychology to prove any of what you’re suggesting? You are trying to say that with what we know about Natsuo’s personality that he would have looked Hina in the face and accepted the woman he loved taking all the punishment and going into exile while he knowingly stayed there to live his best life. That is not supported by his personality traits/past actions as shown in the manga. This boy helps people, even going as far as to putting his own life on the line for strangers even. But you want say that when it came right down to it, he would have allowed Hina to walk away from him, her family, friends and the life that she’d built. The very idea that he would have done nothing but accept her decision while moving on faster/easier is ludicrous. You have this weird argument about whether he would "allow" her to do what she did, and "accept" her decision... but that's not like he could do anything besides trying to talk her out of it. Which he couldn't even try since it was a letter. And that's why he kept hoping, because she left room for it by not confronting him. Sunnyme said: Insistent for sure, but I don't think he'd go as far as stalking her all the way to another city. I mean he still could have after the letter and chose not to. And if she refuses him then he cannot do anything, that's how couples work: it takes two consenting people. Cutting contact with him after a serious talk would have been fine too. Maybe you’ve been skimming those Hina chapters but Natsuo chased/stalked her through a crowded Festival and had Master physically restrain her in order to press his case. Hina certainly wasn’t consenting to that. You also conveniently seemed to have forgotten the actual factors that caused him to ‘move on’ from Hina. He did not accept the break up. He was determined to get back to Hina. He intended to use the thing that had brought them together – his writing – to win her back. He choose not to go after her after getting that letter so that he could improve as a writer so that her sacrifice would not be in vain and then he would go after her. He was only able to ‘move on’ because of these factors: 1. Shuu’s lies that Hina had moved on and his destroying Natsuo’s dream of using his writing to get her back. 2. Hina’s lie that she’d moved on after he rejected Rui to go after her on the island. This is the most important thing that caused him to actually ‘move on’. 3. Rui’s efforts to seduce him throughout all of this. That happened during a single night in a single location. That doesn't mean he'd follow her across the country after she dumped him. I don't see how the factors you listed are relevant to what I was saying though, they could happen regardless. Or even better, she could have killed all hope from the beginning (once again by talking to him). Sunnyme said: Calling it a sacrifice though? That's debatable since Natsuo was not the only one that had something to lose, her name would have been dragged through the mud as well if that was made public. But she did do it for his sake as well, there's no denying that of course. Yep, I knew we’d get to this point and your point is unclear. How was Hina leaving her lover, friends, family, dream job to go to a strange place where she knew no one and her mid-term transfer would raise eyebrows and cause gossip not a sacrifice? Ok I'll be clearer then: that's not a sacrifice because there is another more appropriate word for that: that's a punishment! She broke the rules and was forced to transfer. Had she refused she would have been publicly shamed and probably fired. So basically she didn't have the choice to begin with. Sunnyme said: ...acting like I misunderstood what you were meaning, when you literally said just before: Sunnyme said: Again, about her meeting him in person to break up - the condition of Natsuo facing zero punishment was zero contact with her. She could not meet him. She was upholding her end of the bargain. That's called being honourable, it has nothing to do with cowardice. That's just disingenuous at this point. Of course, you're free to think what you wish. I was specifically talking about after her speech when she officially left the school and what influenced her final goodbye. In the end, getting a letter or cutting contact after a serious talk are moot points that had nothing to do with him ‘moving on easier/faster’. It's not a question of what I think, you conveniently omitted part of the events and when I pointed it out you just tried to sweep it under the rug... |
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| It’s certainly frustrating. Personally as of chapter 208 I’d say it’s going to be Hina. I love Rui but she is getting stolen away by her coworker which is unfortunate for Natsuo but he’s already got Hina and Serizawa there. |
vong10Jan 13, 2019 8:10 AM
| Hina is the best girl! #Subaru did nothing wrong choosing Emilia over Rem. |
I get the same expression. |
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| I don't think natsuo deserves either of them tho lol |
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I agree, I think the Rui arc was long due to the author's ability to try and make everyone happy. I think in terms of emotion, Natsuo expressed more compassion to be with Hina rather than Rui (though both have had good scenes). I think while Natsuo was heartbroken, Rui used that advantage to mend him even after knowing the fact that Hina was lying the whole time because she was looking out for Natsuo's future. I guess technically Hina has been the only girl to have constant feelings of like then love towards Natsuo especially in the fact that she confesses it to him when he asks her. My own personal perception is that a promise ring has a stronger meaning than a watch. Kei now has introduced the cook as a possible outlet to Rui's feelings while Hina's main outlet turned psycho with Natsuo jumping in front of an attack to protect her. Hina now has decided that she will devote her life to Natsuo's happiness regardless of the situation and who he is with. She is even devoted to holding herself back for Rui's happiness, idk why people say she doesn't care about Rui... Idk maybe I am all fucked up, this manga takes too many turns and I feel like the story itself can take a turn whenever Kei chooses to do so, especially since I am a team Hina fan, but all this suspense and waiting is killing my heart.... smh I think just as long as he ends up with Hina or Rui then the story will make sense at least to me, but if he chooses a side chick I swear to god... EDIT: Since you mentioned Emilia over Rem, I have to bring up Kimi no Iru Matchi with Haruto choosing Eba over Asuka... similar story progression? ;) |
MrShoujoJan 14, 2019 1:46 PM
on | idk but it seems like the author wants Natsuo to be with Rui in the end even if they break up now :( |
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Preeeeach!!!!!! |
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