Y-White said: epidemia78 said: I can understand why it might be offputting to people who have siblings but for us only children, there's nothing gross about a piece of fiction that plays around with the idea. If you have any, what about with stepfamily members? People were saying its not the same thing but I think I wouldn't be able to think of anyone in my family like that. I don't have any step siblings either but if a cute 14 yo girl moved into my house when I was 16 (the usual age range for anime protagonists), i definitely would have put the moves on her. Doesnt seem strange at all and parents in those situations would have to be brain dead not to see it coming. |
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Z-Dante said: Secondly in this crooked world ( of animu ) you can trust no one. No one but your cute little imouto that's been taking care of you since your childhood. It simply does not make sense for any protags in otaku media to not love their imouto. It's a bond of blood. You can't just ask why it happens man. >says that when he has Grand blue in favs |
CherryLover said: I whole-heartedly agree, OP. The more anime utilizes the incest trope, the more it will become normalized, and I believe that is a dangerous thing. Y-White said: "Fiction shouldn't have an effect on reality" is what I'm trying to say. I don't see how someone can let themselves be influenced by incest or anything else inherently wrong. Watching Monogatari and seeing Araragi sexually harass little girls never made me think it was ok to do in reality. If it did; you already had the problems mentally and needed some sort of validation to convince yourself what you were feeling(arousal) and wanted to do was ok (It Isn't). Really? This argument is incredibly weak in my eyes because fiction in fact does inform the way we think or feel in reality. It may not necessarily influence an average person to sexually harass little girls in real lie, but it will certainly influence their thinking and make them desensitized towards the topic. It will also certainly influence those with such perverse proclivities who may have not otherwise acted if the element wasn't being gradually normalized. I guess I'm not the average person then. I've seen thousands of people killed/get hurt in anime and if someone, in reality, was hurt or killed in front of me I'm positive I would be shocked and sympathetic. I'm not desensitized to anything because of anime. The only thing I agree with in your post is that it may or may not influence an already fucked up person to do something that's even more fucked up. |
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CherryLover said: Really? This argument is incredibly weak in my eyes because fiction in fact does inform the way we think or feel in reality. It may not necessarily influence an average person to sexually harass little girls in real lie, but it will certainly influence their thinking and make them desensitized towards the topic. It will also certainly influence those with such perverse proclivities who may have not otherwise acted if the element wasn't being gradually normalized. I'm sure this has been said to you many times, but your authoritarian thought policing is exactly why so many people hate feminists. Would you like transgenderism to become "normalized" in fiction? |
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epidemia78 said: CherryLover said: Really? This argument is incredibly weak in my eyes because fiction in fact does inform the way we think or feel in reality. It may not necessarily influence an average person to sexually harass little girls in real lie, but it will certainly influence their thinking and make them desensitized towards the topic. It will also certainly influence those with such perverse proclivities who may have not otherwise acted if the element wasn't being gradually normalized. I'm sure this has been said to you many times, but your authoritarian thought policing is exactly why so many people hate feminists. Would you like transgenderism to become "normalized" in fiction? It should be obvious by now that she doesn't care and trying to reason with her is a waste of time. |
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Y-White said: Shiza-sennin said: Ah, I see that now. Thanks for the clarification there. Don't mention it. I do think you make a strong point here, but ultimately, fiction shouldn't have any effect on reality. It's fine if you want to avoid the genre altogether of course, but I don't think it being used in anime/manga is really that rampant or an issue, quite honestly. "Fiction shouldn't have an effect on reality" is what I'm trying to say. I don't see how someone can let themselves be influenced by depictions of incest or anything else inherently wrong in fictional works. Watching Monogatari and seeing Araragi sexually harass little girls never made me think it was ok to do in reality. If it did; you already had the problems mentally and needed some sort of validation to convince yourself what you were feeling(arousal) and wanted to do was ok (It Isn't). Couldn't agree with you anymore, those who can't separate the two are definitely people who had a messed-up mindset to begin with. Z-Dante said: TL;DR : Incest is a really unexplored theme in modern media, and because it's a social taboo and involves such a sensitive thing such as family, it can be easily turned into a deep drama concept even tho most writers dont dare to go there yet unfortunately. If more writers decides to write more serioes incest media it'll only go better from here on as the concept is exploted. So here's to hoping we a kami tier incest anime someday soon that will toally normalize incest and its concept in 2d media. Incest is wincest bros. Well said, my friend. Incest is certainly a way of life, and we can only hope anime in general will be able to catch up with the exploration that our doujins are already doing. |
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Pullman said: North514 said: I mean we have even made films romanticizing those relationships just look at Victoria and Albert who have had many films/shows made about their relationship. That relationship is usually depicted pretty positively because historically they had a happy marriage and Victoria never recovered after Albert's death. Doesn't change the fact they were cousins. did you quote the wrong post? I don't see the relevance of what you said relating to what you quoted :> Just giving an example of a documented case that has been used in media. |
Y-White said: CherryLover said: I whole-heartedly agree, OP. The more anime utilizes the incest trope, the more it will become normalized, and I believe that is a dangerous thing. Really? This argument is incredibly weak in my eyes because fiction in fact does inform the way we think or feel in reality. It may not necessarily influence an average person to sexually harass little girls in real lie, but it will certainly influence their thinking and make them desensitized towards the topic. It will also certainly influence those with such perverse proclivities who may have not otherwise acted if the element wasn't being gradually normalized. I guess I'm not the average person then. I've seen thousands of people killed/get hurt in anime and if someone, in reality, was hurt or killed in front of me I'm positive I would be shocked and sympathetic. I'm not desensitized to anything because of anime. The only thing I agree with in your post is that it may or may not influence an already fucked up person to do something that's even more fucked up. Nice goalpost shift there. I am not saying every average person would be desensitized towards these elements, but there certainly are people who would. The fact I have seen people arguing for consensual incest and consensual relations with minors online is proof that fiction has clearly influenced their thinking. epidemia78 said: CherryLover said: Really? This argument is incredibly weak in my eyes because fiction in fact does inform the way we think or feel in reality. It may not necessarily influence an average person to sexually harass little girls in real lie, but it will certainly influence their thinking and make them desensitized towards the topic. It will also certainly influence those with such perverse proclivities who may have not otherwise acted if the element wasn't being gradually normalized. I'm sure this has been said to you many times, but your authoritarian thought policing is exactly why so many people hate feminists. Would you like transgenderism to become "normalized" in fiction? It isn't about thought-policing. I am merely pointing out why the argument "fiction =/= reality" doesn't solve the core issue at hand. As far as transgenderism, I do believe fiction would do well to educate us of the issues often faced by the community, but that is a topic for a different thread. Stay on topic. |
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North514 said: Pullman said: did you quote the wrong post? I don't see the relevance of what you said relating to what you quoted :> Just giving an example of a documented case that has been used in media. Oh I see. I had this other post talking about incest in western media so I thought you were responding to that :> |
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| Yeah but, incest in anime is often not blood related (at least what iv'e seen) like in Kiss x Sis or Citrus. Unless you are watching the final arc of Yosuga no Sora that is ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
CherryLover said: It isn't about thought-policing. I am merely pointing out why the argument "fiction =/= reality" doesn't solve the core issue at hand. As far as transgenderism, I do believe fiction would do well to educate us of the issues often faced by the community, but that is a topic for a different thread. Stay on topic. I've seen quite a few of your posts and iirc you've advocated banning concepts you don't like from ever appearing in fiction or am I mistaken? |
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Pullman said: Short_Circut said: Incest is a pretty broad term. Commonly it relates to blood relations but it can also be but not limited to step-siblings, adoption etc, basically anyone with family reputation. Citrus' case I could see why not considering they literally met each other, but Kiss x Sis they were pretty much together the whole time. OreImo you haven't seen the S2 OVA I presume? True, I just found it weird how everyone was acting like it was completely scarce it's not vague anymore if people explicitly add 'actual' incest to their description. Not sure how you can misunderstand that for meaning anything else than, well, actual blood-related incest. That's what the term actually means. It's actually not vague at all, it's basically a medical term, or a term of law, that is very strictly defined. If you can find me any respectable dictionary that includes other definitions than the blood-related one feel free to link me, but even then the specific 'actual' should always make things very clear. If you were someone who actually likes to see incest, you'd most likely not count pseudo-incest between step siblings and actually find it to be incredibly rare. 90% or more of the 'incest' in anime, is just bait and not actual incest, which is why people say that it's a rare thing. It's not really weird, it's just fact. There's Yosuga no Sora and maybe a handful of other shows with actual incest relationships. as for oreimo, I haven't seen it at all but from what I heard in the end they pseudo go out for like a day and then go back to being siblings? Correct me if I'm wrong tho, but I heard a lot of complaints from inest fans about being extremely disappointed by the ending so I can't imagine there being much actual incest in it. Incest doesn't necessarily have to refer to consanguinity. It's defined as "sexual relations between closely related persons," it doesn't explicitly state they have to be blood-related. It's not similar to a medical term or a term of law since it's definition varies between religious and societal viewpoints. For instance, as I mentioned before in Asia, it's common to marry first cousins and such whereas other parts such as areas in NA it's prohibited (i.e., not strictly defined). In most cases having sexual relations with an adopted child in considered incestuous by affinity rather than by consanguinity hence the reason people did not like the ending of Usagi Drop in the manga even though they "are not related by blood" As for rarity, it's more unpopular rather than rare. There are quite a lot of obscure incest anime out there and even more in manga, it's just that most of them aren't as popular as the incest bait shows. For instance shows like Papa to Kiss in the Dark, Boku wa Imouto ni Koi wo Suru , Aki Sora and Love Wind I believe And as for OreImo, I haven't seen the OVA either but based on clips and talks here and there I hear they do kiss but I cannot confirm |
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| "Nice goalpost shift there. I am not saying every average person would be desensitized towards these elements, but there certainly are people who would. The fact I have seen people arguing for consensual incest and consensual relations with minors online is proof that fiction has clearly influenced their thinking." The example I gave of seeing someone getting hurt and how I would react in that situation would still apply to a young girl being sexually assaulted... how did i "goalpost shift? What are we discussing here? I've already told you aren't wrong saying people can be influenced by anime...I'm just not one of them. |
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| If by "incest" you mean a full blooded pairing of two characters, then I can only think of a handful of anime that go down this route. The most prominent one being Koi Kaze and Oreimo to my knowledge. Koi Kaze gives a pretty interesting a real take on what incest entails in that given situation. There tends to be very little fan-service in the traditional sense and it tires to keep the world grounded. Oreimo on the other hand is a shit show through and through-and it's glorious. There's a kiss scene and that's about it-no futhering of relationship (unless you read some subtle hints). It's mostly a fan-service anime, and by the title itself it should come as no surprise. If by "incest" you mean the trope used to add an extra harem member or create the perfect little sister then it's pretty simple-Merchandising. The more cute female characters there are the more there is to sell. And it's always played up too and never taken seriously. Even in full blown ecchi series I think only two or three even have a full blooded brother-sister endgame. At the end of the day too it's just fiction, no need to get so heated about it. |
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Y-White said: "Nice goalpost shift there. I am not saying every average person would be desensitized towards these elements, but there certainly are people who would. The fact I have seen people arguing for consensual incest and consensual relations with minors online is proof that fiction has clearly influenced their thinking." The example I gave of seeing someone getting hurt and how I would react in that situation would still apply to a young girl being sexually assaulted... how did i "goalpost shift? What are we discussing here? I've already told you aren't wrong saying people can be influenced by anime...I'm just not one of them. Oh. I guess you haven't met cherrylover here. Prepare to get hit with a lot of logical fallacies and blatant hypocrisy. To cut to the chase you might as well give up now. |
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| First of all, why are all of you people who get triggered by and feel utter shock and horror at the mention of incest so freaking melodramatic and SJWy? It's so fucking funny to me lol. Like, I get you're bothered by it and everything but why do you feel the need to go on rants about it on random threads/comment sections on the Internet? It's a different culture. Do you really think bitching about it online will do anything remotely close to overwriting years of another nation's culture? Deal with it or walk away I guess. I don't get the need of presenting something you don't get as an issue. It's really repulsive and annoying. |
| OP, they're not blood related, it is therefore wincest. Get it right next time. |
| I guess that the japanese just like brothers fucking sisters, sons fucking mothers, fathers fucking daughters and so on. |
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| I don't think it is a Japanese otaku only thing. I'm pretty sure if I went on Pornhub right now, I'd see at least one step mom/step sis in the Top in the US section. Gotta face the facts. This shit has long since gone mainstream. |
| Because Otaku are perverted shut-ins who project their depravity onto the people who are loving to them or take care of them (mothers, sisters.) "Oh you're nice to me so you would also give me sexual favors right??? Because you like me right???" Arrogant little repressed turds. It's all about projection of fantasies that they can't act out on (because they would rightfully be disowned and or sent to jail.) If I had an otaku brother I would avoid him like the plague, I feel terrible for families that have them. |
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| On the topic of incest: One thing I appreciate about Yosuga no Sora is that it actually is arguably quite "realistic" about it, specifically in how other people around them feel about it. If you're writing a show, you could treat incest as Or you could treat incest as "that is disgusting; let us not involve it", or "Ooh look at how dreamy/sexy/etc. the brother and sister are with each other". Yosuga no Sora does neither. Obviously some people can say they think incest is hot when it happens in fiction. While many people can say they'd be disgusted by it if it happened in real life. But Yosuga no Sora asks the question, What if it happened to one of your friends? These are the reactions of people going through a disturbing realization in their own lives and trying to process it. This is an actually mature handling of the subject matter -- not just using it for romantic fantasizing, nor just using it to be edgy and offensive, but asking difficult, realistic questions and trying to grapple with them. This is why I appreciate this show. It doesn't use the element of incest gratuitously; it treats it seriously, disturbing implications and beyond. |
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| Yeah, it's because people are more and more imbalance minded these days. So, these stuffs they interact daily also have to keep up with that and become mainstream. |
| borderline delusion is quiet contagious in their sociocultural |
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| It's a fetish, but deeply uncomfortable when taken seriously. Always mix the blood in new blood. |
| Off the head I can only think of 3 anime titles that had incest in it. Oreimo, Yosuga no Sora and Koi kaze. I haven't found it to be a central and prominent theme in all my years of watching and reading manga however. More like it is a rare occurrence as the vast majority of viewers find that idea to be repulsive, reasons being biologically related and whatnot. If it was prominent, I would be finding some incest-dedicated crap in every 3rd or 4th romance anime I come across. |
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| i hear in Japanese culture that the deepest bond you can have is between siblings, so i suppose having romance between siblings is suppose to show the deepest bond possible |
| It's mostly the hets who want to fuck their siblings. Maybe it's the heterosexuals fault. |
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| Are there even that many? Because I hear that "anime is filled with incest" and like the only incest shows I heard of are Oreimo and that one with the white haired dudes that everyone memes. Always felt more like a generalization really. |
CherryLover said: I whole-heartedly agree, OP. The more anime utilizes the incest trope, the more it will become normalized, and I believe that is a dangerous thing. Y-White said: "Fiction shouldn't have an effect on reality" is what I'm trying to say. I don't see how someone can let themselves be influenced by incest or anything else inherently wrong. Watching Monogatari and seeing Araragi sexually harass little girls never made me think it was ok to do in reality. If it did; you already had the problems mentally and needed some sort of validation to convince yourself what you were feeling(arousal) and wanted to do was ok (It Isn't). Really? This argument is incredibly weak in my eyes because fiction in fact does inform the way we think or feel in reality. It may not necessarily influence an average person to sexually harass little girls in real lie, but it will certainly influence their thinking and make them desensitized towards the topic. It will also certainly influence those with such perverse proclivities who may have not otherwise acted if the element wasn't being gradually normalized. You're always claiming it's "normalisation" of said questionable elements without any foundation to back you up. It's just baseless conjecture unless there are statistics that can show a direct correlation between exposure to certain media and increase in acts that the media depicts. As things stand, your argument has the same level of validity as someone saying violent video games normalise acts of violence, which is not much considering no studies were able to find a correlation. |
Auron_Oct 31, 2018 12:21 PM
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| To be honest an influence from anime to my writing ideas is an ever inceasing want to put incest everywhere it's lovely. |
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| I think incest is a good way to create a dramatic Lovestory. Maybe the japanese like drama series and that s why it is so popular? If it is a good Lovestory i do not care if it is incest but hentai with incest would be disgusting... As i do not watch hentai i am not Sure if there is a lot in it. Angel sanctuary for example works for me. It is a beatiful Story about this tabu and setsuna is strugglin with his feelings for Sara as he knows it is '' wrong'' |
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| It really isn't. There are so many anime released, so many things to do and see, and there's a handful which feature incest that people zoom in on and treat it as prominent. I don't really get it. It seems more rash and less rooted in looking at the whole picture, and that it's treating "existing from time to time" as equally meaningful as the word "prominent." CherryLover said: Really? This argument is incredibly weak in my eyes because fiction in fact does inform the way we think or feel in reality. It may not necessarily influence an average person to sexually harass little girls in real lie, but it will certainly influence their thinking and make them desensitized towards the topic. I'll try my best to be polite here, for whatever that's worth. quick small edit I feel good that I succeeded in being polite, reading back over this post. But yeah, I don't think it's a weak argument at all. If anything, I interpret "fiction=/=reality" as an acknowledgement that people aren't necessarily going to do these things and cross that boundary in reality just because they enjoy and consume fiction that portrays it as sexually gratifying. It's putting up that wall - because, yes, if it seeped through the cracks, then it'd be a problem. It's pretty much an implicit acknowledgement of some of the things you're saying are a problem, are, well, a problem, but that somebody who indulges in fiction in such a way isn't suddenly going to be inclined to cross that boundary outside of the wall. Which is important to take note of, because it ties into this part of your post and my response to it: CherryLover said: It will also certainly influence those with such perverse proclivities who may have not otherwise acted if the element wasn't being gradually normalized. Nice goalpost shift there. I am not saying every average person would be desensitized towards these elements, but there certainly are people who would. The fact I have seen people arguing for consensual incest and consensual relations with minors online is proof that fiction has clearly influenced their thinking. Acting and centering the entire approach about how you deal with what you're deeming to be a problem based primarily on the potential of people existing who would do something bad is...unsettlingly authoritarian, for one, but the primary issue is that you're often being faced down with a majority of the people who indulge in such things trying to tell you that it isn't a problem for them, yet are focusing the issue on the ones who do bad things and trying to push for mitigation and a degree of control over portrayal within fiction to be exercised based on what's ultimately always going to be a minority as deeming the portrayal of it in anime, or "normalization" as you call it, as being problematic with that as your foundation. Punishing the many for the crimes of the few isn't really ever going to go over well, which, yes, is basically what you're advocating here whenever it goes into such territory. Trying to mold the fiction people can consume to operate into something that doesn't allow for types of content in demand to exist, or at the very least pushes for ideologically-approved portrayals only, whenever the basis is something such as this, is...just not really something I'm going to treat with respect or put much worth in. It's not convincing me there's an actual issue with the portrayal of it as a means of fetish fuel here, outside of the few individuals who do bad things, influenced by fiction or not withstanding, and that's still not something worth redirecting the entire issue onto the work itself for, as much as the individuals who do such bad things to begin with. Because that fiction does not belong to them, they're not the only ones indulging in these things on their own will. And trying to mold it into something that fits within your boundaries and substantiating that with the potential of people consuming these things who do bad things existing just makes it seem like you're overblowing it very heavily, being too hamfisted about how to deal with what you see as a problem and how you wish to deal with that. People who consume these types of things are - very often - capable of determining right and wrong themselves, basically, and are capable of separating portrayals with fiction and what's acceptable within those parameters in constrast with reality. That's what "fiction=/=reality" has always meant to me. And if that's the case, the people you're running into on this board are telling you things like this, I simply don't see what the actual issue with the form of entertainment itself portraying these things in such a way is. And simply saying "people who are into these things have done these things in real life as well" isn't really much of a justification for being sweeping and generalizing and pushing such things as an actual problem with fiction and the ones consuming such fiction, especially when faced with people telling you that they and others are capable of establishing that boundary in the first place, as it is in this thread and as it has been in many threads with you and a few others who support this stance before. It makes the "but people can do it in real life because they were influenced by fiction and studies have shown that there are people who are capable of doing as much" seem weak in of itself and more akin to wanton fearmongering than anything else, if I'm being completely straightforward with you about this. We can't stop some people from being shitty, neither you nor I nor anybody else, but I'm certainly not going to advocate basing issues with holistic entities based on a small sample size like you seem to be doing here. And that's kind of where I stop saying "yeah, no shit, sexual harassing minors is bad" and instead start meeting your values and priorities and the way you desire to approach and handle these things with rejection. Advocating these portrayals as problematic on this basis is not convincing that the problem lies with the fiction itself in the slightest. |
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Pullman said: anime is great at finding very small, but very obsessive niche fandoms that are willing to spend a lot of money on stuff to their niche can maintain itself. The fetishization of incest is just one of them. Plus of course it's an element that you can easily just shoehorn into almost any kind of random show (like Mahouka for example) that already has their own appeal. Short_Circut said: Don't really get the claims that "actual incest is rarely present," there are quite a few like Citrus, Yosuga no Sora, Myself;Yourself, OreImo, Mashiro-iro (in the VN), Kiss x Sis etc. But as for the question, I think part of has to do with the fact that cousin based incest is quite common in most of Asia in general. I think the sister based one is more to do with fetishes, but that's my take on it Erm, I've seen Citrus and Kiss x Sis and it's not actual inest there, it's step siblings that aren't blood related. Nothing ever happens in OreImo as far as I know. Yosuga no Sora is the only one you listed I know has actual incest in it, can't comment on the remaining two. Did you just try and say nothing happens in OreImo that's incest related? The second season has Oreimo is like, the pioneer of incest. |
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NyxisSpina said: Did you just try and say nothing happens in OreImo that's incest related? The second season has That's kind of the thing he brought up later on in this thread, which, yes, is also very true. Does it have these elements and does it show them in a way more rooted in fantasization at times? Sure. Does it actually maintain these values by the time the story itself wraps up and the characters have made their decision on how they want to handle it? Quite the opposite. It's part of the reason why so many people got dissatisfied with the ending, even ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
ManabanOct 31, 2018 5:11 PM
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| It's treated as a joke most of the time, I don't think many manga use it currently but I'm not sure about anime cause I'm not as involved in that medium. Either way people don't look for moral guidance in these shows, just entertainment. |
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| Otaku media and your culture is so far different... so if you want to accept it, then just do it. But if you wont accept it and force your culture into anime, then i wont works. |
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| The short answer? Because wrong = taboo = fetish. Forbidden Fruit Effect. Incest is taboo in most cultures, because it tends to lead to genetic disease. The knowledge that incest is breaking the rules makes it more exciting to some people. There's also the fact 'not blood relatives' easily sidesteps the genetic disease thing and most of the perceived 'wrongness' of incest while maintaining enough of that aspect of taboo to make it exciting. Personally, I think that the unique external and societal pressures placed on a pair of step-siblings in love could potentially make for some interesting drama, but I haven't seen many works that even try to cash in on that potential rather than merely leaning on the fetish potential. The Citrus manga seems to be doing a decent job of that, from what I saw in the first volume. From Up On Poppy Hill actually does a really good job of playing apparently incestuous feelings for drama, and does so tastefully enough that it remains a children's film. No easy feat. |
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| Incest is wincest. Only through anime, can every man's dream of having the perfect cute loli imouto with a brother complex be realized... Even without the lewd stuff, I can only ever dream of giving the perfect headpat to the cute loli imouto I'll never have... |
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| Japan is all about family, and what better way to represent those bonds by showing us a state of closeness and familiarity that we all crave? Trying to close the distance between random strangers is a flawed romantic system that causes many humans to develop psychological issues when things don’t go there way. Incest is the next step for humanity, our evolutional fate |
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| There is a clear line between fantasy and reality. Those who cross the line are usually associated with mental problems. |
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in modern How new are you? And is it that hard to understand the difference between reality and fiction? Not mentioning about the fact that this thing is used for purely comedic themes in most cases (if you're so much concerned about it) |
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