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Oct 20, 2018 1:49 PM

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CherryLover said:
I completely agree, OP. Sexualising children - especially female ones - are bang out of order. Japan even takes some kind of childish glee in doing so, especially with Visual Novels that claim characters are above 18 but clearly aren't.

KreatorX said:
Sex sells and everyone's buying. It's 2D fictional characters ffs. I would be more concerned if this shit happened in RL, because that's where you need to think hard about the consequences.


But does this not normalise this entire thing about sexualising children and encourage people to do so in real life too? It's clear being a "lolicon" is becoming more and more acceptable nowadays; I fear the day they actually become accepted in society.


Don't you think prohibiting these sort of material would make it more difficult for the consumers to supress their urges and end up increasing child sexual abuse cases? If these material being accesible really encouraged people to do it in real life too, wouldn't Japan, the place where it's most accesible, have the highest child molestation rate compared to other countries?
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Of course playing GTA series is making you a a mass psychopath murderer IRL, playing assassin creed is making you a silent killer IRL, playing Counter Strike is making you a terrorist IRL, playing Yakuza is making you a gang member IRL, and playing The Sims is making you a God IRL? This is your logic.
WTF are you even talking about.


That's a faulty argument where you're comparing normal violence to sexual assault and sexual behaviours in general. Please do read the following paper on Adaptation and Evaluation of Video Games, and Sexual Violence. It presents a case where video games can introduce ideas and ingrain habits into people.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/251937.pdf

"Normal" violence? So killing someone brutally is normal?
I don't even know what to say, because it's just ridiculous.
How killing someone is different? Have you completely lose your mind?
Anyway, I couldn't care less about "research" like this. It's all about ability to distinguish fiction and reality.

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Oh I get it. Now I feel dumb that I replied to you in the first place.
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Oct 20, 2018 1:58 PM

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I was actually recently watching Fate Kalied which had some odd content of this nature. I think some people often fetishize that content because I can not think of why else it would exist otherwise. It is pretty similar to the odd incest trope in anime.
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rsc-pl said:

Anyway, I couldn't care less about "research" like this.
Oh I get it. Now I feel dumb that I replied to you in the first place.


And that is why you'll remain ignorant. Please do read the paper, you'll understand what I mean by then. Instead of taking potshots at me or my club, it would be a better way to spend your time.

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CherryLover said:
I completely agree, OP. Sexualising children - especially female ones - are bang out of order. Japan even takes some kind of childish glee in doing so, especially with Visual Novels that claim characters are above 18 but clearly aren't.



But does this not normalise this entire thing about sexualising children and encourage people to do so in real life too? It's clear being a "lolicon" is becoming more and more acceptable nowadays; I fear the day they actually become accepted in society.


Don't you think prohibiting these sort of material would make it more difficult for the consumers to supress their urges and end up increasing child sexual abuse cases? If these material being accesible really encouraged people to do it in real life too, wouldn't Japan, the place where it's most accesible, have the most child molestation rate compared to other countries?


I disagree. I'd rather have them be sent to rehabilitation centres or be given psychological counselling. It is not normal to like children, and we should not pretend this is normal.
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And that is why you'll remain ignorant.

Said someone who can't distinguish fiction from reality and using words like "normal" for killing someone (typical double standards). Okay. Bye.
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Oct 20, 2018 2:08 PM

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There is no "positive reason." Japan just has a fetish for showing off to the world how weird they are.



What's the difference?
Oct 20, 2018 2:11 PM

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rsc-pl said:
Anyway, I couldn't care less about "research" like this.


heh, lolicon apologists in a nutshell.
Oct 20, 2018 2:12 PM

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rsc-pl said:
Anyway, I couldn't care less about "research" like this.


heh, lolicon apologists in a nutshell.


Basically this. They arm themselves with red herrings and straw men and try to assume people will actually agree with them.
Oct 20, 2018 2:18 PM

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CherryLover said:
But does this not normalise this entire thing about sexualising children and encourage people to do so in real life too?

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Oct 20, 2018 2:19 PM

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CherryLover said:
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heh, lolicon apologists in a nutshell.


Basically this. They arm themselves with red herrings and straw men and try to assume people will actually agree with them.

All I stated in this thread is that killing someone in the game doesn't have any correlation with doing it in real life, because it's a fiction. Now I ended as lolicon. Somehow.
SJW simpletons in a nutshell, I would say.
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CherryLover said:
rsc-pl said:

Anyway, I couldn't care less about "research" like this.
Oh I get it. Now I feel dumb that I replied to you in the first place.


And that is why you'll remain ignorant. Please do read the paper, you'll understand what I mean by then. Instead of taking potshots at me or my club, it would be a better way to spend your time.

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Don't you think prohibiting these sort of material would make it more difficult for the consumers to supress their urges and end up increasing child sexual abuse cases? If these material being accesible really encouraged people to do it in real life too, wouldn't Japan, the place where it's most accesible, have the most child molestation rate compared to other countries?


I disagree. I'd rather have them be sent to rehabilitation centres or be given psychological counselling. It is not normal to like children, and we should not pretend this is normal.


Sure, it'd be ideal but I'd rather talk about what is actually doable. There's no way you can identify all pedophiles and get them help like they're all marked with a magic marker and will be fixed with the snap of a finger. Even if you have a moral issues with those material existing, it is certainly preferable to actual childs getting molested. It is a lesser evil situation here and I hope we can agree on that. So until it is possible to identify them and get them help like it works in your fantasy world, the best outcome is achieved by keeping it accessible.
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Pullman said:
1. Cause people want to do it. Not doing it is not gonna make the demand for it go away.
2. Artistic freedom winning over censorship.
3. Cause it's better than doing it irl. In fact, doing it in cartoon form is the single best and only unproblemativ way of doing it at all.
4. Cause nobody has to watch it if they don't want to.
5. Cause it's taboo, and taboo is hot.
6. Cause it makes money.
7. To trigger people like OP and harvest their salty tears.

1. Every market is managed by the people that hold the most power of it. You change consumer attitudes by creating anime that goes against the grain. Over time with adequate exposure the fans will change to a new perspective.
2. Art influences people's thoughts, ideas and behavior. It doesn't necessarily work in 1:1 fashion but it definitely influences people in subtle and not so subtle ways. Movies like Birth of a Nation increased KKK membership because the fictional motion picture influenced people's attitude toward the KKK and black people. Media is also more influential when their first reference comes from fiction, if you raise a generation with horrible ideas they will follow them. Shifting attitudes on family coincided with entertainment that promoted anti-family values and deviant behavior.
3. People are less likely to do it IRL if they have never been exposed to the ideas in the first place. These people are suffering a sexual addiction and need treatment.
4. When it dominates the market you can't avoid it. Its like saying avoid progressive propaganda in the west, its everywhere because its
the normative culture in media.
5. It might start as taboo, but over time it becomes mainstream and accepted. Porn affects how people act, I mean do you find it odd that there is a stereotype of Japanese women act like a dead fish in bed and scream while having sex? That is culture influenced by media.
6. Money should not be seen the highest value in culture and entertainment. Every piece of art has a message to the viewer, whether its a good one or bad one depends on the creators and the normative culture of that industry.

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Also what's that confusing bs about mixing up what 'minors' are and what 'children' are?
Minors is a legal term that varies from country to country, children is a term for the earliest stages of human life, usually before puberty, which then transitions into being a teen. Using them interchangably is problematic and confusing. Are you talking about the sexualization of anyone under 21? Under 18? Under 16? Or just about prepubescent children?
You know someone is just trying to stir up shit when they can't even make a coherent rant and have to mix up terms of categories just to get their bs across.

Minors is for individuals for below the age of consent in their society. Japan's age of consent is similar to the normative age of consent the United States. They are not interchangeable because its obvious that having sex with someone before puberty is far worse than someone that is in their post-pubescent stage of life. They are both bad because adult/teenage relationships often come from the abuse of a custodial relationship. Children and teenagers look up to adults which makes the adults responsibility to not abuse their custodial role over them.
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CherryLover said:


And that is why you'll remain ignorant. Please do read the paper, you'll understand what I mean by then. Instead of taking potshots at me or my club, it would be a better way to spend your time.



I disagree. I'd rather have them be sent to rehabilitation centres or be given psychological counselling. It is not normal to like children, and we should not pretend this is normal.


Sure, it'd be ideal but I'd rather talk about what is actually doable. There's no way you can identify all pedophiles and get them help like they're all marked with a magic marker and will be fixed with the snap of a finger. Even if you have a moral issues with those material existing, it is certainly preferable to actual childs getting molested. It is a lesser evil situation here and I hope we can agree on that. So until it is possible to identify them and get them help like it works in your fantasy world, the best outcome is achieved by keeping it accessible.


That would only explore more facets of this sick fetish and would only help make it seem acceptable. Without outright consequences that scare them into falling back into line, they will continue spreading this "lolicon isn't pedophilia" rubbish.
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I laugh every time these types of threads show up. It really shows how sensitive people really are over drawings and that mal really is shit.
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rsc-pl said:

All I stated in this thread is that killing someone in the game doesn't have any correlation with doing it in real life, because it's a fiction. Now I ended as lolicon. Somehow.
SJW simpletons in a nutshell, I would say.


No, you used fictional violence to defend fictional sexualisation of minors, which in itself is a false equivalence, and then proceeded to ignore a research on the matter rather because it goes right against your beliefs than having an actual argument against it.

All goes into the same mind-numbed sack for me, honestly.
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because it sells more than normal stuff, u guys should see the people freaking out about uzamaid and happy sugar life on tumblr
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rsc-pl said:

All I stated in this thread is that killing someone in the game doesn't have any correlation with doing it in real life, because it's a fiction. Now I ended as lolicon. Somehow.
SJW simpletons in a nutshell, I would say.


No, you used fictional violence to defend fictional sexualisation of minors, which in itself is a false equivalence, and then proceeded to ignore a research on the matter rather because it goes right against your beliefs than having an actual argument against it.

All goes into the same mind-numbed sack for me, honestly.

I didn't defend anything. Don't put your overinterpretation into my mouth. I asked about difference and why GTA players aren't using miniguns on the real streets. And it was a rhetorical question. Fictional violence and fictional sexualisation is literally the same thing. The Fiction.
That's why I like yuri romances - because it's a fiction. In real life I consider homosexuality as high level deviance. How it's possible? Magic! Apparently I have a rare ability to separate fiction from reality. Wow.
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In my honest opinion, I think the whole lewding young minors in JP Otaku Media is in a way a proxy for those that can fantasize over degenerate fetish(es) without consequences since it isn't a crime to look at lewd drawn minors as far as I can recall.
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In my honest opinion, I think the whole lewding young minors in JP Otaku Media is in a way a proxy for those that can fantasize over degenerate fetish(es) without consequences since it isn't a crime to look at lewd drawn minors as far as I can recall.

Exactly. I think people have been misled to think it is somehow alright to look at minors so long as it is "in 2D". There is no such thing as "dimensional ethics", we should make this clear to everyone.
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rsc-pl said:
I didn't defend anything. Don't put your words in my mouth. I asked about difference and why GTA players aren't using miniguns on the real streets. And it was a rhetorical question. Fictional violence and fictional sexualisation is literally the same thing. The Fiction.


Nobody is taking a gun and shooting people because of it, true. However, nobody is jacking off to it, either.
It is not uncommon for people to develop fetishes because of porn (and hentai), for example. Actually, there's several studies about how porn negatively impacts the human mind. The urge to kill and the urge to lust are two totally separate things. Thus, false equivalence.
Saying fiction has no impact at all on how people think is naive at best, anyway. People are always saying how an anime changed their life, but suddenly when it comes to hentai they go "it's not the same thing". Tsk.

And even if this wasn't true, it still makes me flabbergasted that grown adults feel the need to ask why lolicon is bad. Even the few openly lolicon friends I have admits they are not very proud of what they do and they understand why people would find it weird, but still here on MAL there's a crescent urge to normalise this kind of thing. Gross.

rsc-pl said:
That's why I like yuri romances - because it's a fiction. In real life I consider homosexuality as high level deviance. How it's possible? Magic! Apparently I have a rare ability to separate fiction from reality. Wow.


More like you're a massive hypocrite lol
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rsc-pl said:
That's why I like yuri romances - because it's a fiction. In real life I consider homosexuality as high level deviance. How it's possible? Magic! Apparently I have a rare ability to separate fiction from reality. Wow.


More like you're a massive hypocrite lol

Let me use GTA example again.
By your logic, people who are spending nice time with "killing" moving pixels and find it enjoyable (including myself), but they would never do it in real life and consider it as something completely wrong are massive hypocrites? This is exactly what you just said. And don't try to argue with it. It's literally what you said. "lol".
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Let me use GTA example again.
By your logic, people who are spending nice time with "killing" moving pixels and find it enjoyable (including myself), but they would never do it in real life and consider it as something completely wrong are massive hypocrites? It's exactly what you just said. And don't try to argue with it. It's literally what you said. "lol".


No, it's not. Again, false equivalence. It's more like you are that guy who loves lesbian porn but goes eww when you see two women holding hands in the street. It's not the same as not mass murdering people because of videogames. The latter is a reasonable person. The former, a jerk.
Not surprised you can't make one sound argument to prove your point and had to completely ignore the first part of my post, which already had a answer to your redundant ramble. Your reasoning skills are very poor.
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The killing example is wrong, because the equivalent of a murder simulator like GTA5 is not ecchi anime or Muten Roshi nosebleeding over Bulma's vag. The equivalent would be one of the stalking games fashioned after Rapelay. GTA is thousands of times more harmful than pantsu, both in real life and fiction.
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Exactly. I think people have been misled to think it is somehow alright to look at minors so long as it is "in 2D". There is no such thing as "dimensional ethics", we should make this clear to everyone.
Now again this is my own opinion so I hope no one takes this as facts but how I see it is that being a 'lolicon' is an excuse pedophile use to justify why it is okay. It doesn't help that JP treats these occurrence as something of the norm which I believe needs to change.
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CherryLover said:
Gespenst_One said:
In my honest opinion, I think the whole lewding young minors in JP Otaku Media is in a way a proxy for those that can fantasize over degenerate fetish(es) without consequences since it isn't a crime to look at lewd drawn minors as far as I can recall.

Exactly. I think people have been misled to think it is somehow alright to look at minors so long as it is "in 2D". There is no such thing as "dimensional ethics", we should make this clear to everyone.

Hey, don't insult Zanzegan's last words! He was a visionary who understood the issue of people not distinguishing fiction and reality.

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Exactly. I think people have been misled to think it is somehow alright to look at minors so long as it is "in 2D". There is no such thing as "dimensional ethics", we should make this clear to everyone.
Now again this is my own opinion so I hope no one takes this as facts but how I see it is that being a 'lolicon' is an excuse pedophile use to justify why it is okay. It doesn't help that JP treats these occurrence as something of the norm which I believe needs to change.

I agree completely. I think you are one of the only people on this website that still retains sufficient sanity to realise this should never be the norm. Please do join my Social Justice club and help us spread the message.
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rsc-pl said:

Let me use GTA example again.
By your logic, people who are spending nice time with "killing" moving pixels and find it enjoyable (including myself), but they would never do it in real life and consider it as something completely wrong are massive hypocrites? It's exactly what you just said. And don't try to argue with it. It's literally what you said. "lol".


No, it's not. Again, false equivalence. It's more like you are that guy who loves lesbian porn but goes eww when you see two women holding hands in the street. It's not the same as not mass murdering people because of videogames. The latter is a reasonable person. The former, a jerk.
Not surprised you can't make one sound argument to prove your point and had to completely ignore the first part of my post, which already had a answer to your redundant ramble. Your reasoning skills are very poor.

Of course I ignored the first part, because it's the same bullshit all over again. One fiction is less fictional than other fiction.
Not mentioning about the fact that your are now using "hentai" or "porn" arguments while OP is talking about few pantsu shots and I was talking about killing in video games.
And all what you can say is "Again, false equivalence". Great argument. Btw I don't watch the porn, but wew. It's another great example of fiction and reality. Role play and actual involvement. Do you really think that porn "lesbains" are actual lesbians? Like, really?
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No, it's not. Again, false equivalence. It's more like you are that guy who loves lesbian porn but goes eww when you see two women holding hands in the street. It's not the same as not mass murdering people because of videogames. The latter is a reasonable person. The former, a jerk.
Not surprised you can't make one sound argument to prove your point and had to completely ignore the first part of my post, which already had a answer to your redundant ramble. Your reasoning skills are very poor.

Of course I ignored the first part, because it's the same bullshit all over again. One fiction is less fictional than other fiction.
Not mentioning about the fact that your are now using "hentai" or "porn" arguments while OP is talking about few pantsu shots and I was talking about killing in video games.
And all what you can say is "Again, false equivalence". Great argument. Btw I don't watch the porn, but wew. It's another great example of fiction and reality. Role play and actual involvement. Do you really think that porn "lesbains" are actual lesbians? Like, really?


How arent they "actual" lesbians? I didn't know you could fake being gay or lesbian when you are literally having sex with the same sex.






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Who needs to masturbate to lolis when you can master-bait with posts like these

Trying to take a moral high ground over fictional drawings? Don't you have anything better to do with your time?
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Absolutely none , well maybe keeping pedo's at home and not unleashed outside
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rsc-pl said:
Of course I ignored the first part, because it's the same bullshit all over again. One fiction is less fictional than other fiction.

Funny, I almost thought you were talking about yourself here. No wonder you can't make one sound argument as you ignore anything that threatens to burst your bubble, kid. heh

rsc-pl said:
Not mentioning about the fact that your are now using "hentai" or "porn" arguments while OP is talking about few pantsu shots and I was talking about killing in video games.

The sexualisation OP talks about is part of the hentai/porn I mentioned, and you used violence as a ways to defend it. If you start playing dumb so obviously like this to avoid an actual discussion, I might actually start taking you seriously.

rsc-pl said:
And all what you can say is "Again, false equivalence". Great argument.

And again, you ignore my arguments with a feigned and weak smug. Now you're just being cute. Admiting you just don't have a good enough answer won't hurt, y'know?

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Do you really think that porn "lesbains" are actual lesbians? Like, really?

Well, confirmed. You indeed are that guy.
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Fucking shit, a thread questionning the legitimacy of 2d child porn, and it wasn't taken down yet.

This place really changed (for the best)

Indeed, in all the cases you mentionned, sexualization of children is detrimental to the quality of the work. Like, who can say with a straight face Araragi being a pedo brings anything comedy or theme-wise to the Bakemonogatari?
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The sexualisation OP talks about is part of the hentai/porn I mentioned, and you used violence as a ways to defend it.

First of all. Fucking where? Just point me where did I defend anything, especially porn. It was you who called me a lolicon because I asked someone else about killing in video games.
Secondly, OP clearly said anime in thread title. I remember same discussions about Sailor Moon or even Dragon Ball years ago. I wonder why you even consuming media from other culture if you find it problematic to you.
It was you who mixed hentai (porn) with anime (TV series/movies). Are you doing the same thing with Netflix series and porn?
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First of all. Fucking where? Just point me where did I defend anything. It was you who called me a lolicon because I asked someone else about killing in video games.


First, the person you asked was talking about how sexualisation reflects in real life, and then you come out of the blue and start talking about violence. Of course people would misunderstand that you were using it as an example to defend sexualisation. If that wasn't your intention, you should have explained yourself from the beginning, or kept your mouth shut.

Second, both her and me tried to argue why both aren't the same, which you ignored; which makes you a coward, running from confrontation with petty excuses.

Third, you said this:

rsc-pl said:
Fictional violence and fictional sexualisation is literally the same thing. The Fiction.


...and you have the nerve to say you never intended to use fictional violence as a means to justify fiction sexualisation? Dude, you're a walking contradiction, lmao

rsc-pl said:
It was you who mixed hentai (porn) with anime (TV series/movies). Are you doing the same thing with Netflix series and porn?


sigh I used porn and hentai it as a general term to talk about the urge for lust in humans, which includes things like fanservice and lolicon. Sorry if that wasn't clear enough to get through your head.
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First of all. Fucking where? Just point me where did I defend anything. It was you who called me a lolicon because I asked someone else about killing in video games.


First, the person you asked was talking about how sexualisation reflects in real life, and then you come out of the blue and start talking about violence. Of course people would misunderstand that you were using it as an example to defend sexualisation. If that wasn't your intention, you should have explained yourself from the beginning, or kept your mouth shut.

Second, both her and me tried to argue why both aren't the same, which you ignored; which makes you a coward.

Third, you said this:

rsc-pl said:
Fictional violence and fictional sexualisation is literally the same thing. The Fiction.


...and you have the nerve to say you never intended to use fictional violence as a means to justify fiction sexualisation? Dude, you're a walking contradiction, lmao

rsc-pl said:
It was you who mixed hentai (porn) with anime (TV series/movies). Are you doing the same thing with Netflix series and porn?


sigh I used porn and hentai it as a general term to talk about the urge for lust in humans, which includes things like fanservice and lolicon. Sorry if that wasn't clear enough to get through your head.


You've won the argument @meatbun_, everything will be ok now. You don't have to do this anymore. Ok? He doesn't have the same level as intellect as you. It was pointless from the beginning.






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Lets please not bring up controversial topics like this. Plus its just fiction!
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Anyway, I couldn't care less about "research" like this.


heh, lolicon apologists in a nutshell.


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Third, you said this:

rsc-pl said:
Fictional violence and fictional sexualisation is literally the same thing. The Fiction.



...and you have the nerve to say you never intended to use fictional violence as a means to justify fiction sexualisation? Dude, you're a walking contradiction, lmao.


Both things are equally, completely unacceptable in real life and no one sane would ever argue with it. There is nothing to defend. And again. I didn't defend anything. I asked about why killing in video games is completely accepted by people with your mindset if both things are equally wrong IRL. And why GTA (and other examples) players aren't killers. The rest is your massive overinterpretation and it's not a part of my concern.
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There are no "positives" and I dislike the sexualization to preteens. But in Japan the age of consent is 13. Also it has a very different culture over there.
Oct 20, 2018 4:34 PM

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CherryLover said:
Exactly. I think people have been misled to think it is somehow alright to look at minors so long as it is "in 2D". There is no such thing as "dimensional ethics", we should make this clear to everyone.
Now again this is my own opinion so I hope no one takes this as facts but how I see it is that being a 'lolicon' is an excuse pedophile use to justify why it is okay. It doesn't help that JP treats these occurrence as something of the norm which I believe needs to change.


This is a perfect example on why some people can't take anime for what it is-a media platform. It doesn't have to adhere to moral standpoints or even justify it's existence. It just has to be pleasing to a certain fanbase no more, no less.

In regards to OP. It's pretty normal, I mean does no one remember Brittany Spears early videos? Totally sexualized and everybody ate it up. It's just a cultural norm and anyone who complains about it just crying over spilt milk.
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Also American Cartoons have done this as well.
South Park had Cartman's penis shown uncensored in some episodes in non tv releases and Wendy Testaburger's nipples were shown in one episode (uncensored once on tv airings). Bebe's breast were once part of a plot in an episode.
Family Guy had Stewie with large breasts in one episode.
Simpsons Movie briefly shows Bart's penis.

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TsukuyomiREKT said:
You're not fucking serious are you?


And it seems I triggered another, heh

rsc-pl said:
I asked about why killing in video games is completely accepted by people with your mindset if both things are equally wrong IRL. And why GTA (and other examples) players aren't killers.


Which will probably never get answered, since you're too afraid to read anything that might burst your bubble and ignored both our answers, running away from the discussion and disguising it with your rambling. A very proper way of handling it, I say.
Oct 20, 2018 4:38 PM

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meatbun_ said:
TsukuyomiREKT said:
You're not fucking serious are you?


And it seems I triggered another, heh

rsc-pl said:
I asked about why killing in video games is completely accepted by people with your mindset if both things are equally wrong IRL. And why GTA (and other examples) players aren't killers.


Which will probably never get answered, since you're too afraid to read anything that might burst your bubble and ignored both our answers, running away from the discussion and disguising it with your rambling. A very proper way of handling it, I say.


I'M the triggered one? That's rich coming from someone who gets offended by drawings.

Oct 20, 2018 4:47 PM

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TsukuyomiREKT said:
I'M the triggered one? That's rich coming from someone who gets offended by drawings.


Don't get mad, sweetheart. Have a pop-tart.
Oct 20, 2018 4:55 PM

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TsukuyomiREKT said:


I'M the triggered one? That's rich coming from someone who gets offended by drawings.


It's quite obvious you're angry, lolicon. Keep being angry though, your view is wrong, simple as that.
Oct 20, 2018 4:58 PM

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sexy sells regardless of subgenres and topics
as for the sexualization of minors I cannot think of any personally and normally I think people would get disturbed by it
many people are just oppressed or have very deviant feishes and abnormal mentality on sex...
that's what I always thought when I hear those hentai memes on the internet
whether or not it encouraged pedophilia is another thing that sparks contention among anime fans
Oct 20, 2018 5:08 PM

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CherryLover said:
TsukuyomiREKT said:


I'M the triggered one? That's rich coming from someone who gets offended by drawings.


It's quite obvious you're angry, lolicon. Keep being angry though, your view is wrong, simple as that.


Yeah, whatever you say you fucking loon.

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For this absolute bullshit of a discussion with only with the highest degree of cherry-picking occurring, please provide sufficient evidence which directly ties cases of pedophillia with lolicon fetish or sexualized minors in 2D fictional depictions in Japanese art forms like anime/manga etc.

Furthermore, indicate how many real life children or people were harmed in the making of said 2D fictional depictions.

Do this, and then the argument will hold weight and/or be given serious consideration. We are more concerned about the well-being of actual children instead of some hand-drawn fictional lolis.

The topic has long derailed from it's original intent. No wonder SJW's get a bad rep if they willfully blur the line between fact and fiction.
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