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Oct 15, 2018 4:54 PM

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Would you put yourself in danger to protect your country or attack another regardless which country is right or wrong, or if you like or not your leader?
 
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Oct 15, 2018 4:58 PM

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I rather not have a military draft, but if it happens yeah. It is a scary thought though in which I hope another war does not happen especially due to the existance of the advancement of technology nowadays.
 
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Oct 15, 2018 4:59 PM
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Lol no. I hate America so I wouldn't risk as much as a broken nail for this country.
 
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Oct 15, 2018 5:00 PM

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Nah any country with good internet is enough for me. Considering my country relatively speaking has garbage internet services due to a national agreement to remove competition I have no allegiance for it.
 
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Oct 15, 2018 5:00 PM
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Lol no. I hate America so I wouldn't risk as much as a broken nail for this country.
Basically this. I plan to move to another country in the future.
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I'd love to see inside your mind, to tear it all apart;
To cut you open with a knife
And find your sacred heart.
I'd love to take your satin dolls and
Tear them all to shreds.
I'd love to mess your pretty hair;
I'd love to see you dead!
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Oct 15, 2018 5:04 PM

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Id like to say no but in the moment i would probably feel otherwise and die for my country
 
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Oct 15, 2018 5:04 PM

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in case of conflict the government forces you to fight , you can't chose not to fight otherwise they slam you in jail for a long time.
 
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No. I don't feel particularly loyal to my country, and this is coming from former military. The concept of a "country" is too abstract for me to feel anything so strongly towards.

People, on the other hand, are a different story, including strangers. Being a highly empathetic person, I find it likely that I could die for another person, but it's difficult to say what would actually happen without having experienced it. Many of us believe we could die for another, but we can't be certain until the "opportunity" actually presents itself.
 
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Usagi said:
Lol no. I hate America so I wouldn't risk as much as a broken nail for this country.
What makes you hate your own country?
 
Oct 15, 2018 5:19 PM

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no. now that spacex program. that is a different issue
 
Oct 15, 2018 5:23 PM

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if my country was something cool then yeah but its not that its the super lame one
 
Oct 15, 2018 5:28 PM

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I rather not have a military draft, but if it happens yeah. It is a scary thought though in which I hope another war does not happen especially due to the existance of the advancement of technology nowadays.
A WW3 could led to the human extinction,i'm all about peace and i wish the issues settle down but i would die for the commonwealth.
 
Oct 15, 2018 5:28 PM

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No, thank you. This decision is regardless the country I would be born in.
 
Oct 15, 2018 5:38 PM

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If what I'm fighting for is a cause I find to be morally correct, then maybe.
But just for the sake of war, no thanks.
I need a reason to fight. I'm a pacifist.
I'll fight if an innocent's life is in danger. But not "for pleasure".
 
Oct 15, 2018 5:52 PM

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Hahahaha no...the US is one of the most backwards developed countries out there. Another country taking it over that actually can wouldn't worry me much. I only care about people not so much the state aspect of countries.
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If there was a legitimate reason, like being under attacked, then yeah. If the old fucks in congress just want to go to war just to go into their powertrip, then hell no. I'm sexually identifying as a female, so I don't have to get drafted.
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Oct 15, 2018 6:07 PM

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I'd fight for my country but I'm not suicidal. I'm very much about self preserverance and if it means me or my country I chose me


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traed said:
Hahahaha no...the US is one of the most backwards developed countries out there. Another country taking it over that actually can wouldn't worry me much. I only care about people not so much countries.



Says the guy who proudly displays a communistic symbol.
Got plans to move to China any day soon?


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Oct 15, 2018 6:16 PM

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Despite all its flaws, I'm proud to be from the United States (well, 95% of the time). I would risk my life to protect its land and people.

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No way, I wanna watch more anime baka



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Oct 15, 2018 6:29 PM

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ezlord said:
traed said:
Hahahaha no...the US is one of the most backwards developed countries out there. Another country taking it over that actually can wouldn't worry me much. I only care about people not so much countries.

Says the guy who proudly displays a communistic symbol.
Got plans to move to China any day soon?

The fact you couldn't even pick up it's not the hammer and sickle of China and couldn't even understand the satire involved which is clear from a meme video being linked says a lot about your ignorance of political ideologies and government policy as a whole.
 
Oct 15, 2018 6:30 PM

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No. In fact, I'd let this country getting invaded/destroyed.


 
Oct 15, 2018 6:32 PM

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I would certainly die for Astolfo, who wouldn't?
 
Oct 15, 2018 6:33 PM

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Dying for people/leader who would never do the same for you has always been a wise decision. Just saying in case you don't have a redneck parent to shove this in your throat on a daily basis.
 
Oct 15, 2018 6:33 PM
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Um no thanks, I'm good. Thank u very much
 
Oct 15, 2018 6:36 PM

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No, I don't particularly care. I would strive to protect my family and friends if need be, and reach out to help those in need. But not through violent means.


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Oct 15, 2018 6:49 PM

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Definitely not.

My country has mandatory conscription for all able-bodied males above the age of 19. I'm currently finishing my service in the army as I speak, and I can honestly say that the years of nationalistic pride and patriotism our government has tried to instil in us has pretty much been unsuccessful.

I'm sure most of my peers can say the same; no one really wants to serve in the military - we're just here because we have to be, waiting for each day to pass by until we can finally return to our civilian lives.
 
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depends on the cause.
fighting just to fight is pointless.
if i die for oil, then not worth it.
if i know it’s for a noble cause, for example, against invaders, then yes.
in the case of who is right or wrong on either side, that’s up to me to decide to fight.
fighting under one’s pure, unfiltered ideals is highly unlikely, due to the all encompassing nature of being in the military. some service members may have done things that go against their personal morals.
foreign conflict is a messy thing.
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Oct 15, 2018 6:59 PM

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Nah I'd help those that would invade the UK so it doesn't turn into UKistan but it's probably too late
 
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traed said:
ezlord said:

Says the guy who proudly displays a communistic symbol.
Got plans to move to China any day soon?

The fact you couldn't even pick up it's not the hammer and sickle of China and couldn't even understand the satire involved which is clear from a meme video being linked says a lot about your ignorance of political ideologies and government policy as a whole.


My bad. U pressed the trigger button in my head


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Oct 15, 2018 7:01 PM

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Hmm, probs not. However I do love Australians and could be tempted to sacrifice myself for them
 
Oct 15, 2018 7:13 PM

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Once trump stops being president I'll think about it.
 
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ezlord said:
traed said:

The fact you couldn't even pick up it's not the hammer and sickle of China and couldn't even understand the satire involved which is clear from a meme video being linked says a lot about your ignorance of political ideologies and government policy as a whole.


My bad. U pressed the trigger button in my head


Basically my logic is the US has a powerful enough and large enough military I don't need involved. I wouldn't want to do anything against my own morals and I can't do that under US command because i wouldn't be given the truth or right to reject command.. If the US was ever taken over it either would be an improvement or the large US population would change or overthrow this new government and it should in theory be better than what it was previously. Whether a war or a civil war leads to more loss of life is hard to say but the overall result I think could do more good for both nations and being that so many countries with ability to take over US are democracies a civil war might not even be necessary in event of takeover of a country that makes things suck more.
 
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traed said:
ezlord said:


My bad. U pressed the trigger button in my head


Basically my logic is the US has a powerful enough and large enough military I don't need involved. I wouldn't want to do anything against my own morals and I can't do that under US command because i wouldn't be given the truth or right to reject command.. If the US was ever taken over it either would be an improvement or the large US population would change or overthrow this new government and it should in theory be better than what it was previously. Whether a war or a civil war leads to more loss of life is hard to say but the overall result I think could do more good for both nations and being that so many countries with ability to take over US are democracies a civil war might not even be necessary in event of takeover of a country that makes things suck more.


With all due respect, I am not sure which country u think is suitable to overthrow our country, personally I wouldn't like the idea of China or Russia taking over for us and forget the Middle East. Their ideals clash with the founding American ideals of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness theory.
I think Northern European countries taking over won't be a bad idea, however their ideals won't work in out large heterogenous populations. Current western nations such as Germany and Uk are bound to be trampled by Islamic ideals in the next couple decades, it's only a matter of time, plus with leaders like Merkel and my French boi in France, leading Americans would cause more issues with their hella left wing p.c agenda.
Forget South America or the third world countries such as india and such, they don't stand a chance and even if they did, their current regimes already prove how loserish their governments are. Incapable leadership is the start of a doomed nation. America was blessed with great leaders, with of course awklodgement given to their flaws.
I understand what u mean by not wanting to be commanded by the US military etc.
But I think ur being highly optimistic if you think we would be better off with another nation taking over as I don't see any current standing nation more capabke than ourselves than handling our own issues. That's why I'm unsure why u think that another nation (if capable) is better off taking over us to solve our issues when I fail to see any current countries good enough to improvise our issues as it is.


I don't really care about loss of human life, as sacrifices are necessary for an eventual greater good. But they always say u gotta solve ur own issues first and not let others solve it for u, or the same mistakes repeat.
We are still a child nation compared to other nations, yet we have come this far. It may take decades or centuries for us to come out of our social and political issues, but that is the case with all counties. Not to mention many countries are LEAGUES behind when it comes to social and political issues. ex. Gay rights, racism towards blacks and women's rights.


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Oct 15, 2018 7:38 PM
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Fate_Saber88 said:
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Lol no. I hate America so I wouldn't risk as much as a broken nail for this country.
What makes you hate your own country?

Trump, republicans, and various other people who live in it.
 
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People, on the other hand, are a different story, including strangers. Being a highly empathetic person, I find it likely that I could die for another person, but it's difficult to say what would actually happen without having experienced it. Many of us believe we could die for another, but we can't be certain until the "opportunity" actually presents itself.

Pretty much this. A lot of the posts here are pretty negative towards each person’s country, but I think realistically I’d look at the individuals instead of being broad. So yes, I’d most likely “fight” if it came down to it.
 
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Nah, I don't eat enough crayons to do that.

Unless they force me to.


 
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i view the country and the government as a body or process working alongside people. although they are "officially" seen as a governing body, i don't feel like i owe the country/government anything. i also feel like it is unnecessary to have a military.

if you mean to say that some crazy invasion is happening and the only request is that one person needs to be sacrificed in order to leave everyone else alone, and i happen to be the one chosen as a sacrifice, then that's a different story.
 
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Usagi said:
Fate_Saber88 said:
What makes you hate your own country?

Trump, republicans, and various other people who live in it.


It's always amusing when people pretend our political system actually has a meaningful impact in their life besides their twitter feed. You wouldn't defend your country because you never had to fathom the thought of doing such a thing because security and personal freedoms is how this country was built. Hate America all you want, but don't forget that blood has been spilt so you can freely express whatever garbage you want.
 
Oct 15, 2018 8:24 PM
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immaphilosopha said:
Usagi said:

Trump, republicans, and various other people who live in it.


It's always amusing when people pretend our political system actually has a meaningful impact in their life besides their twitter feed. You wouldn't defend your country because you never had to fathom the thought of doing such a thing because security and personal freedoms is how this country was built. Hate America all you want, but don't forget that blood has been spilt so you can freely express whatever garbage you want.

Um health insurance? Obamacare? Birth control coverage?
To name a few.
 
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Usagi said:
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It's always amusing when people pretend our political system actually has a meaningful impact in their life besides their twitter feed. You wouldn't defend your country because you never had to fathom the thought of doing such a thing because security and personal freedoms is how this country was built. Hate America all you want, but don't forget that blood has been spilt so you can freely express whatever garbage you want.

Um health insurance? Obamacare? Birth control coverage?
To name a few.


I guess I'll just pretend that's not all literally the same thing and just tell you birth control is cheap as fuck but I wish as well more shit was free.
 
Oct 15, 2018 8:47 PM
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immaphilosopha said:
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Um health insurance? Obamacare? Birth control coverage?
To name a few.


I guess I'll just pretend that's not all literally the same thing and just tell you birth control is cheap as fuck but I wish as well more shit was free.

It's all related yet different when you get into specifics.
My birth control costs $720 per year. As a college student with barely any income, that's pretty damn expensive. It's also a medical necessity. I was placed on birth control by my doctors because I'm unable to get a normal period on my own, which puts me at a cancer risk as my uterine lining builds up inside of me. If I can't have my birth control covered because a bunch of foolish old men think it makes me an immoral baby killer, then nobody should have any of the medicine they actually need covered (which obviously should not happen).
 
Oct 15, 2018 9:01 PM
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that would be silly I would never die for anything
maybe I am not patriotic enough
 
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I will never kill anybody,
But I could sarcifice my inochi if it could protect some people from danger.
It's the best way to go.

Holding on is believing that there's only a past. Letting go is knowing that there's a future.
 
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Usagi said:
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I guess I'll just pretend that's not all literally the same thing and just tell you birth control is cheap as fuck but I wish as well more shit was free.

It's all related yet different when you get into specifics.
My birth control costs $720 per year. As a college student with barely any income, that's pretty damn expensive. It's also a medical necessity. I was placed on birth control by my doctors because I'm unable to get a normal period on my own, which puts me at a cancer risk as my uterine lining builds up inside of me. If I can't have my birth control covered because a bunch of foolish old men think it makes me an immoral baby killer, then nobody should have any of the medicine they actually need covered (which obviously should not happen).


Well, I'm sorry to hear that.

Still, if you want to hate our country over your medical expenses, that's perfectly fine. I'm dealing with my own medical expenses because I never bothered to get health insurance but that doesn't make me hate my country, it makes me want to plan my life better. If Republicans make you hate America, that's a shame, because America is more than just our political system. I find our values and freedoms worth something and just because you dislike our president, that doesn't mean that worth disappears. When I read statements like yours, I just can't imagine where else in the world can you live the life you live besides here. Of course, I can be wrong, but I just wish people can be more respectful to our home. At least I can see that my original post doesn't apply to you, so I apologize to you for that.
 
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uhm...
no, i don't think i would            
 
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ezlord said:
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Basically my logic is the US has a powerful enough and large enough military I don't need involved. I wouldn't want to do anything against my own morals and I can't do that under US command because i wouldn't be given the truth or right to repremmand.. If the US was ever taken over it either would be an improvement or the large US population would change or overthrow this new government and it should in theory be better than what it was previously. Whether a war or a civil war leads to more loss of life is hard to say but the overall result I think could do more good for both nations and being that so many countries with ability to take over US are democracies a civil war might not even be necessary in event of takeover of a country that makes things suck more.


With all due respect, I am not sure which country u think is suitable to overthrow our country, personally I wouldn't like the idea of China or Russia taking over for us and forget the Middle East. Their ideals clash with the founding American ideals of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness theory.
I think Northern European countries taking over won't be a bad idea, however their ideals won't work in out large heterogenous populations. Current western nations such as Germany and Uk are bound to be trampled by Islamic ideals in the next couple decades, it's only a matter of time, plus with leaders like Merkel and my French boi in France, leading Americans would cause more issues with their hella left wing p.c agenda.
Forget South America or the third world countries such as india and such, they don't stand a chance and even if they did, their current regimes already prove how loserish their governments are. Incapable leadership is the start of a doomed nation. America was blessed with great leaders, with of course awklodgement given to their flaws.
I understand what u mean by not wanting to be commanded by the US military etc.
But I think ur being highly optimistic if you think we would be better off with another nation taking over as I don't see any current standing nation more capabke than ourselves than handling our own issues. That's why I'm unsure why u think that another nation (if capable) is better off taking over us to solve our issues when I fail to see any current countries good enough to improvise our issues as it is.


I don't really care about loss of human life, as sacrifices are necessary for an eventual greater good. But they always say u gotta solve ur own issues first and not let others solve it for u, or the same mistakes repeat.
We are still a child nation compared to other nations, yet we have come this far. It may take decades or centuries for us to come out of our social and political issues, but that is the case with all counties. Not to mention many countries are LEAGUES behind when it comes to social and political issues. ex. Gay rights, racism towards blacks and women's rights.


It's a vague hypothetical with no specific counyry in mind. Russia is only country with strong enough a military but the US population outnumbers Russia's the Russian government will just wind up being changed as result if it could make the US part of Russia either democratically or by a coup. China is only one that really would be an issue because their population is so much larger so that would lead to civil war but i think in thus case a civil war is less a problem than two global superpowers at war. There aren't any mid east counties that want to take over the US they mostly just want the US to stay out of their counties afairs nor do they have power to succeed. If they did take over which is very unlikely it would be quickly overthrown in civil war or coup then either the US becomes better than before or maybe the mid east country too. UK that's just a fear not grounded in reality. The UK isn't Islamist it's just Reactionary Torys lol Basically the general point is the better qualities of each country stand and bad ones will fade which will happen after the initial changes whether good or bad turn.
 
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immaphilosopha said:
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It's all related yet different when you get into specifics.
My birth control costs $720 per year. As a college student with barely any income, that's pretty damn expensive. It's also a medical necessity. I was placed on birth control by my doctors because I'm unable to get a normal period on my own, which puts me at a cancer risk as my uterine lining builds up inside of me. If I can't have my birth control covered because a bunch of foolish old men think it makes me an immoral baby killer, then nobody should have any of the medicine they actually need covered (which obviously should not happen).


Well, I'm sorry to hear that.

Still, if you want to hate our country over your medical expenses, that's perfectly fine. I'm dealing with my own medical expenses because I never bothered to get health insurance but that doesn't make me hate my country, it makes me want to plan my life better. If Republicans make you hate America, that's a shame, because America is more than just our political system. I find our values and freedoms worth something and just because you dislike our president, that doesn't mean that worth disappears. When I read statements like yours, I just can't imagine where else in the world can you live the life you live besides here. Of course, I can be wrong, but I just wish people can be more respectful to our home. At least I can see that my original post doesn't apply to you, so I apologize to you for that.

Medical expenses are only a very small part of the reason, it's just the most personal.

Freedom to what? Own a gun? Can't say I'm interested in that. America doesn't offer very much freedom at all, even more so if you're black. I could think of numerous other countries I would rather live in. I'll be respectful to our home when it isn't the land of greed and ignorance.
 
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Well, I'm sorry to hear that.

Still, if you want to hate our country over your medical expenses, that's perfectly fine. I'm dealing with my own medical expenses because I never bothered to get health insurance but that doesn't make me hate my country, it makes me want to plan my life better. If Republicans make you hate America, that's a shame, because America is more than just our political system. I find our values and freedoms worth something and just because you dislike our president, that doesn't mean that worth disappears. When I read statements like yours, I just can't imagine where else in the world can you live the life you live besides here. Of course, I can be wrong, but I just wish people can be more respectful to our home. At least I can see that my original post doesn't apply to you, so I apologize to you for that.

Medical expenses are only a very small part of the reason, it's just the most personal.

Freedom to what? Own a gun? Can't say I'm interested in that. America doesn't offer very much freedom at all, even more so if you're black. I could think of numerous other countries I would rather live in. I'll be respectful to our home when it isn't the land of greed and ignorance.


Your freedom to think, act and speak without outside coercion, your freedom to pursue any economic or social status, your freedom of a private self and your ability to be a diverse and equal individual. You don't have to own a gun to see your freedoms in action, but you're probably aren't interested in any of that either.
 
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