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We're going to need a Kevin Penkin thread by the time Rising of the Shield Hero (which he's scoring) starts
Alright here we go, change of plans, I'm posting one.

nDroae said:
Hanezeve Caradhina (Made in Abyss insert)
Composed by Kevin Penkin, performed by Takeshi Saito
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPxSS1zHWwQ

From when the soundtrack came out, on Last.fm:
nDroae: Advantage of not starting MiA until recently: did not have a long wait for Hanezeve Caradhina. What an incredible vocal melody. Unearthly.

@Prog_upworks13: best insert song in this year ?

nDroae: Mmm, it's really hard to weigh it against for example Layers because they're so vastly different. To me Hanezeve Caradhina is more a piece of music that uses the human voice as an instrument than a song. But if it's categorized as a song then yeah, it's the best to a comical degree. Something within dies and is brought back to life with every listen.

And on MAL:
nDroae said:
Hanezeve Caradhina inevitably brings to mind Jónsi/Sigur Rós, but (...) I'd just like to continue enjoying it as its own entity.

Kevin Penkin gave interviews confirming that Sigur Rós inspiration. One:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2018/05/10/the-secrets-behind-the-award-winning-soundtrack-of-made-in-abyss

I'd say Hanezeve Caradhina surpasses its inspiration, but I'm not really in a position to make that call; I've never been a big Sigur Rós fan. https://www.last.fm/user/nDroae/library/music/Sigur+R%C3%B3s

The revelation that it's even still possible, after all the music I've heard, for a simple vocal melody to feel as new and overpowering as Hanezeve Caradhina, was a significant point in my life as a music listener. Humbling and encouraging. Never stop exploring. (...for too long. But be sure to take breaks to enjoy old favorites.)

And I'm not even that much a fan of Made in Abyss.

From talking to _NTx:
nDroae said:
MiA's score is far more diverse in sound than the vast majority of anime or film scores, and I don't mean that automatically makes it better, it's just a fact. I hear minimalism in a lot of tracks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimal_music I especially think I hear a Michael Nyman influence on Gallantry and Recapitulation, which reminds me of Nyman's The Piano Concerto and some of his work on Peter Greenaway films.

First off, let's be clear, I don't think anything on the score is "copied" or "ripped off" from anything else, anymore than Hanezeve Caradhina is from Sigur Rós, where as I've said, I actually prefer Hanezeve Caradhina over its inspiration. What this is about is an attempt to trace the development of music as a cooperative human pursuit over generations of history. Art should always involve being inspired and influenced by others, "standing on the shoulders" of those who came before, that's how creativity works.

Thinking about it now, I don't know if it's specifically Nyman - it's the sound of minimal music in general. I think any fan of that track from the Made in Abyss score (or Hans Zimmer's Interstellar) would probably find some value in other minimal music, so I'll take the liberty of going through my own history as a casual fan of minimalism. (Apparently leading minimal composers dislike the term, but that's nothing unusual, Andrew Eldritch of Sisters of Mercy disliked being labeled "goth.")

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimal_music

I became aware of minimalism when I discovered Nyman in 2006, but I had unknowingly become a fan in the 90's via Britain-based Polish composer Martin Kiszko's "The Ocellus Suite: Music from Alien Empire," Alien Empire being a BBC/PBS documentary about insects which was THE HYPEST THING to me as a Rei Kiriyama type loner child with a connection to bugs. "Recommended for fans of Michael Nyman and other modern composers that err on the more accessible side of minimalism," says PCMusic on Amazon. When I was maybe 11, I was obsessed with this simple repeating piano loop. After getting the CD, my favorite picks cemented as Slipstreams and Earthrise, both absolutely gorgeous tracks. That's not what MiA reminds me of, though.

Nyman's The Piano Concerto is one of my favorite musical works of all time. The payoff in The Release is incredibly satisfying. It's a concerto arranged from his score to Jane Campion's film "The Piano," thus the seemingly generic title. With that comparison, I was thinking of the sound of the harmony between the instruments. I'm not "musical," so I can't comment further, but there's a recognizable aesthetic to it. Here's the entire concerto:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvC2Ra22HuA&index=2&list=PLq8suUJqpZ-ghsulLAOOgoZaytRTgq_sJ

Now then, Gallantry and Recapitulation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_jgBbCsdeU

Here are some examples of Nyman's work on Peter Greenaway films, which it brought to mind:
https://youtu.be/eswKJ_EOdf8?t=3m5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weBUhpcWsUs
https://youtu.be/q8TvzFglcaY?t=1m4s

I hope Kevin Penkin does something similar in Rising of the Shield Hero, that would be fun.

Also maybe worth a note, Terry Riley's In C was one of the first minimalist compositions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_C There's similarity there in the one-note repetition:
https://youtu.be/AVfAoNHjTHQ?t=16m19s

As one YouTube commenter notes, the sound of Gallantry and Recapitulation draws from Vivaldi; I suppose Nyman does too. Honestly I've never really been a fan of Vivaldi - Spring is particularly annoying. Can you believe I'd say that, yet enjoy listening to Bang on a Can play In C for 45 minutes? I've listened to it 8 times.

_NTx | Oct 1, 2017 1:56 AM
I listened to the [Made in Abyss] soundtrack as well, and I find it decent (I liked 2 tracks). In its defense, I'll admit the soundtrack shows variety and the composer tried to be different (something a lot of composers, even some of my favorites, lack).


nDroae | Oct 1, 2017 7:32 PM
Right, it's not like I even ask scores to be diverse in sound, though it may make for a more enjoyable experience outside the film. (That said, one of my favorite score albums to listen to from start to end is The Dark Knight, which has very little variety; it just flows well :P) Of course what's best also depends on the show/film itself.

Now then, how's that Norn9 soundtrack?
 
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Oh, I never added this to this thread? https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2018/11/27-1/composer-kevin-penkin-on-symphonic-metal-and-flamenco-music-influences-in-the-rising-of-the-shield-hero-and-more

Nice use of the promised "symphonic metal" in today's episode 11 of Shield Hero, starting at 16:15 (where the violin brought to mind James Newton Howard's The Gravel Road) and climaxing with choir around 18:30-19:20.

Since Kevin Penkin invited the symphonic metal comparison, I'll add that my brain autoplayed ReVamp's Million after the episode. I suppose the soundtrack's string blasts reminded me of the strings at 15 seconds into the song (hear also the instrumental bridge at 3:00).

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