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Oct 5, 2018 9:20 AM
#1
As the title said. For me is no.According to my own rating system,there is a difference between a Masterpiece and a favourited anime.Here's the difference: +Favourite:An anime that has consistent quality but doesnt have its moments to be a masterpiece (because it's comedy,Slice of life,....) +Masterpiece:The show maybe a little inconsistent but has the moments to be a masterpiece.(for example :Steins;Gate has a slow start but gets better and better later on). That's how I think,how about you guys?Discuss. |
Oct 5, 2018 9:24 AM
#2
Not. There is a difference between what I like and what I value. There is even stuff that I respect and score high but don't actually like. |
Oct 5, 2018 9:25 AM
#3
alshu said: Not. There is a difference between what I like and what I value. There is even stuff that I respect and score high but don't actually like. Pretty much this. Just because I really like something personally doesn't mean I can't recognize flaws in it. |
Oct 5, 2018 9:28 AM
#4
I only rate based on enjoyment and I only gave my favorite show a 9/10. |
Oct 5, 2018 9:29 AM
#5
No cause even tho the enjoyement that the anime gave me play a big role in the rating i gives to it but "objectivity" based on my standards still plays a role during the rating process (the importance of the role of objectivity depends on the anime tho) enjoyement still matters the most |
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Oct 5, 2018 9:34 AM
#6
If it's my favorite then it's 8-10. If it isn't my favorite it can be an 8 but not 9-10. |
Oct 5, 2018 9:34 AM
#7
alshu said: Not. There is a difference between what I like and what I value. There is even stuff that I respect and score high but don't actually like. But if you don't enjoy it or like it. You shouldn't rate it high at all. |
Oct 5, 2018 9:35 AM
#8
If I think it deserves a 10, then yeah I do. |
Oct 5, 2018 9:36 AM
#9
For me my favorites are all ranked 10, otherwise they couldn't be favorites if they didn't have the quality (and enjoyment that goes along with it) for it. However not all 10 ranked shows are necessarily my favorites. There would be shows which I ranked 10 since they are objectively that good, but I may not consider them favorite in true meaning of the word. There are some shows that I have special relationship with that may not be 10 rated, but I would not really consider those my favorites. It would be things like "First anime I ever watched" may not have been a masterpiece, but I do have a special relationship with it as a result. But it would not make it a favorite either. For me favorites are best shows that I watched that left a lasting impression on me. If we go by that definition, they have to be 10 rated. Also I would disagree that there can't be 10 rated slice of life or comedy anime, as you are implying. There are certainly anime in those genres that I would consider masterpieces. EDIT: Now that I think about it, it may not be so inaccurate to say all anime I ranked 10 are actually my favorites, even if some less so than others. So second paragraph may be somewhat inaccurate instead :D |
MrZawaOct 5, 2018 9:45 AM
Oct 5, 2018 9:37 AM
#10
Obviously Yes. My Favorites anime of all time, has been scored by me with a 10. Boku No Pico Instead , with 20, since it's the Ultimate Masterpiece. |
Oct 5, 2018 9:42 AM
#11
I don't give anything a 10, i personally don't think they exist. My favorites aren't based on what makes an anime a 10 or near it either, it's something that can substitute my world for theirs, or kick my heart in the dick, then it's a favorite. That isn't to say i don't include that in my ratings either, just everything has its draw backs, and that's okay. |
Oct 5, 2018 9:49 AM
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Oct 5, 2018 9:53 AM
#13
No, because there's a difference between a masterpiece and what I enjoyed a lot. |
Oct 5, 2018 9:54 AM
#14
An anime doesn't have to be a 10 to be a favorite. Every anime has flaws. But if it's good enough for me to not give a damn about its flaws, then I'm giving it a 10. |
Oct 5, 2018 9:56 AM
#15
I used to have a favorite that has the score of 5 all the anime in my favorites are the ones that I am currently enjoying watching (suit up my taste) and can learn and explore the most of (evoke the most feelings and thoughts of me) there are quality anime that are rated by 9 on my list and still I would never put them into my favorites because they are not up to my taste |
Oct 5, 2018 10:00 AM
#16
Oct 5, 2018 10:02 AM
#17
yeah really my favorites list is filled with anime I think is some of the best anime has to offer |
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Oct 5, 2018 10:02 AM
#18
A 10 doesn't have to be perfect. Nowhere in the definition of a masterpiece is it written that it can't have any flaws, masterpieces are just works that are extraordinarily outstanding. People are free to use whatever criteria they feel are appropriate to judge art. You can make a difference between one of your favorites and what you consider to be a masterpiece, but you can also view both as being the same. Personally I consider some of the works I didn't give a 10 to still be masterpieces (like Blame or Kozure Ookami). |
thizlasOct 5, 2018 2:33 PM
Oct 5, 2018 10:13 AM
#19
Because? I don't see a reason why you opinion should be more valid than mine. |
Oct 5, 2018 10:13 AM
#20
my favorites are masterpieces you cant change my mind |
Oct 5, 2018 10:16 AM
#21
No, I don't rate my favourites a 10 every time. I am only concerned with which anime become my favourites. The rating assigned to it is reflective of how enjoyable the show was on a whole, despite its shortcomings. |
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Oct 5, 2018 10:22 AM
#22
It would be a yes for me. The reasons are that I connected with the main character and the story line was outstanding. Every episode was great and i even bought collectibles from that anime |
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Oct 5, 2018 11:40 AM
#23
Trying to guess the objective artistic value of an anime is pointless (source experience) so I intentionally rate stuff coming from my own perspective. If I rate something low that means it failed to appeal to me, not that it could not have any value to anybody. If I rate something 10 it's because it effected me on a personal level, which is basically the most I could ever ask from a piece of art. |
Oct 5, 2018 11:48 AM
#24
Yeah i rate my favorite anime's a 10 theirs only 4 that have a 10 witch are the 4 in my favorite i rate mine on how much i enjoy them |
Oct 5, 2018 12:40 PM
#25
Depends. My favorites aren´t always that perfect, but if them met my requirements, I give a 10. |
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Oct 5, 2018 12:45 PM
#26
yes they are my favourite for a reason and they deserve a 10 |
Oct 5, 2018 12:49 PM
#27
Boobsftw said: I do not use a separate quality/"masterpiece"/etc. rating. My ratings are solely based on how much I enjoyed/appreciated the series. After all, that is the purpose of anime, isn't it? :PDo you rate your favourite anime a 10 or not?Why? For me is no.According to my own rating system,there is a difference between a Masterpiece and a favourited anime.Here's the difference: +Favourite:An anime that has consistent quality but doesnt have its moments to be a masterpiece (because it's comedy,Slice of life,....) +Masterpiece:The show maybe a little inconsistent but has the moments to be a masterpiece.(for example :Steins;Gate has a slow start but gets better and better later on). That's how I think,how about you guys?Discuss. That said, I don't use a 10, because of the way I have mapped my five-point rating scale to a 10-point scale. 1 = hate 3 = dislike 5 = meh 7 = like 9 = love and the numbers in between are filled in as desired. I could have used 10 and omitted 1. Maybe I'll do that in the future. Who knows. |
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Oct 5, 2018 12:56 PM
#28
alshu said: Because? I don't see a reason why you opinion should be more valid than mine. I didn't even say my opinion is more vaild lol I just mean what's the point of rating a anime a higher score even through you didn't like it yourself. |
Oct 5, 2018 1:10 PM
#29
It depends on several aspects, for example Neon Genesis Evangelion and Fullmetal alchemist Brotherhood are my two favorite animes and also I considered masterpieces both of them and I give them 10. On the other hand I also give 10 to Serial Experiments Lain because I truly think it is a masterpiece but Lain it's far from being one of my favorites animes. Also I give 10 to A Place Further Than The Universe because it's a personal favorite but I know it is not a masterpiece. |
Oct 5, 2018 1:20 PM
#30
Yes, it is few very well deserving of it and more, specially considering the notable impact they've had To echo what have also been said, they are my favorite for a reason afterall |
Oct 5, 2018 1:21 PM
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Oct 5, 2018 1:23 PM
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Oct 5, 2018 1:23 PM
#33
My favorites are the anime that I deeply connected with but 10/10 is something that I enjoyed the most/max. There is a little difference for me at least |
Oct 5, 2018 1:53 PM
#34
I don't see any other reason to not rate my favorites a 10. I mean it's my favorites for a reason. I'm not gonna do this complicated mental gymnastics people seem to do to conclude that their favorites are somehow not masterpieces because of arbitrary standards. That's foolishness tbh. I know what I value and want. I ain't got time for that BS. |
ethotOct 5, 2018 1:57 PM
Oct 5, 2018 2:02 PM
#35
yes look, if i feel it i give it anime is made to be enjoyed |
Oct 5, 2018 2:03 PM
#36
Zachhh said: I just mean what's the point of rating a anime a higher score even through you didn't like it yourself. The point is that scoring is evaluation of qualities. You are putting more weight on enjoyment and I am putting less. So why are you telling me to use your method instead of mine? If this is helpful to you it's not working for me. This kind of bias is not practical for what I am using MAL for - a remainder for animes and their qualities. Will remember the enjoyable ones without lists and scores. |
alshuOct 6, 2018 2:58 PM
Oct 5, 2018 2:07 PM
#37
this is a very difficult question. i am not sure how to solve this. for example yamada kun and comic girls were very enjoyable to me and one of my favorites. on the one hand i would give them a 10/10 but on the other hand their story and setting would objectively not be more than a 7/10. maybe a good 6. characters und comedy i would give a 9/10. in the end they got a 9 because they were really great to me. but than i get a guilty conscience because a rated death note or code geass as 8s of 10 which are in every aspect better than the two above except of enjoyment. |
Oct 5, 2018 2:17 PM
#39
ResKori said: afg1930 said: this is a very difficult question. i am not sure how to solve this. for example yamada kun and comic girls were very enjoyable to me and one of my favorites. on the one hand i would give them a 10/10 but on the other hand their story and setting would objectively not be more than a 7/10. maybe a good 6. characters und comedy i would give a 9/10. in the end they got a 9 because they were really great to me. but than i get a guilty conscience because a rated death note or code geass as 8s of 10 which are in every aspect better than the two above except of enjoyment. Well that's where you need to draw a line. Question. What is your standard model of rating shows? Is it to give them objective rating or is it to give them subjective rating based on how you feel about the show. Pick one, discard the other. Having both creates confusion in your list. the most of the animes i've watched, i gave them objective ratings. but their are a couple of exceptions. those two above plus karakai jouzo are some which come to my mind but there are not many other exceptions. but yes you are right because this is confusing to my list :') |
Oct 5, 2018 2:21 PM
#41
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I only rate 10's as a joke. There's no such thing as a perfect anime. Every anime has it flaws. The highest I'll go ever for my favorites are 9's, wich is still 'Great' |
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Oct 5, 2018 2:23 PM
#42
Based said: No, actually my highest rating for an anime is 8 no offense but you have watched over 300 animes and spend a lot of time while doing it. your mean score is a 4.3. most of the anime you have watched you rated a 4 (bad) or worse. why do you even watch that amount of anime. this is not understandable to me. |
Oct 5, 2018 2:28 PM
#43
afg1930 said: Based said: No, actually my highest rating for an anime is 8 no offense but you have watched over 300 animes and spend a lot of time while doing it. your mean score is a 4.3. most of the anime you have watched you rated a 4 (bad) or worse. why do you even watch that amount of anime. this is not understandable to me. Despite my low scores, I enjoy watching anime just like anyone else ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Just because I rate something low doesn't mean that I dislike anime overall, but hey, go off anyway |
Oct 5, 2018 2:44 PM
#44
Boobsftw said: As the title said. For me is no.According to my own rating system,there is a difference between a Masterpiece and a favourited anime.Here's the difference: +Favourite:An anime that has consistent quality but doesnt have its moments to be a masterpiece (because it's comedy,Slice of life,....) +Masterpiece:The show maybe a little inconsistent but has the moments to be a masterpiece.(for example :Steins;Gate has a slow start but gets better and better later on). That's how I think,how about you guys?Discuss. Well I have 1600 things on my completed list, and it's getting unmanageable. A huge percentage of my shows had been scored with scores of 6-8, and that doesn't really help differentiate things. Which ones are really more worthwhile than others? My highly clustered scores were not taking advantage of the 10-point-range to express that, at all. So I'm switching to something like a normalized distribution / quota system, to maximize the amount I differentiate different shows. Basically i'm working on having a set % of scores in each number. For example, 2% of my 1600 shows will be "10"s (and the same for 1s, the system will be symmetric). I'm not claiming that those are "objectively 10s" because I actually think trying to ascribe *objective* meanings to the scores is kinda missing the point. Points systems are abstract. My "10s" means "these are the standout things on *my* list". The advantage of this quota system is that when I find new exceptional shows I need to re-evaluate the existing shows and think about which ones are really standout and which ones are more ordinary, then pick an ordinary one and bump it down a notch. Another rule I implemented is that with few exceptions, sequels/second-seasons are capped at 7/10. The reason I did this is that I sort by score, and use the 8-10 band when looking for anime to recommend to others, so this forces me to select only unique series for the 8-10 quotas. Plus, you're rarely getting the same experience by watching a sequel as you got by watching the initial series that introduced you to the world and characters: Mushishi is brilliant 10/10. But ... Mushishi 2 is just the same deal. It's still brilliant, but i have it at 7/10 so I can reserve a higher slot to showcase some other notable show. IDK, maybe other people think this is a dumb idea, but with so many things I watched I needed some rules to make it manageable. |
cipheronOct 5, 2018 2:49 PM
Oct 5, 2018 3:02 PM
#45
@ResKori All I'm gonna say is if your favorite isn't something you highly value(to treat it as a masterpiece or near it), there's something wrong here. Hence, why I call it mental gymnastics. There shouldn't even be a dichotomy between what you love and what you find good in the first place. |
Oct 5, 2018 3:09 PM
#46
Oct 5, 2018 5:36 PM
#47
Lunilah said: I don't give anything a 10, i personally don't think they exist. My favorites aren't based on what makes an anime a 10 or near it either, it's something that can substitute my world for theirs, or kick my heart in the dick, then it's a favorite. That isn't to say i don't include that in my ratings either, just everything has its draw backs, and that's okay. I'm looking at the ratings in your graph, and you have almost nothing above 8 or below 5. So, what you've effectively done is just compressed your entire scoring system (bar some very rare exceptions) into a highly compressed four point scale. There's no real justification for highly compressing your scores like that then claiming it's somehow "more discerning" or something like that. you're basically just capping everything at 8 rather than making a decision about which of the 8s are better or worse. The idea that "10" animes don't exists is pretty silly. A rating system is necessarily calibrated against what actually exists. 10 is the top animes, 1 is the worst animes. If you want a level that doesn't exist then that's 11 or 12, because 10 is *by definition* the goodness of the best animes out there. The numbers are completely arbitrary. If you just arbitrarily say that the best anime is a "9" then how does that *actually* demonstrate having more "taste" than someone else who defines the best anime as being a "10". In fact, the person giving *some* 10s is using an additional point on the scale compared to you, so they are in fact capable of giving more nuanced scores. In fact, since you only really seem to use the range of 5-8 for your shows, someone making full use of the 9 and 10 slot is using 6 quality-ratings compared to your general use of 4 quality-ratings. Refusing to give high scores just gives the illusion of being discerning. The extreme end is the parody of the guy who only gives 1/10 for all shows, but grudgingly gives LOGH 2/10. That's not "discerning" because that person is not in fact demonstrating that they have the ability to assess the shows that they come across. Sure, that's the extreme parody, but it is in fact what people do when they deliberately reduce their scoring range. The opposite of giving everything 1/10 is not in fact to give everything 10/10: those are in fact both two sides of the same coin (a complete lack of ability to discern relative quality but for different reasons). The opposite of both is in fact to spread your scores among as many rating-levels as possible, because that forces you to make more hard decisions about how things rank relative to each other. |
cipheronOct 5, 2018 6:00 PM
Oct 5, 2018 5:37 PM
#48
Not all of them. But the anime I've rated 10/10 are in my favorites so yes. I can't imagine rating them so highly and not having them in my favorites. But my favorites are just titles I immensely enjoy anyway |
Oct 5, 2018 5:59 PM
#49
alshu said: Not. There is a difference between what I like and what I value. There is even stuff that I respect and score high but don't actually like. This is exactly what I'd say, if someone hasn't already said it. |
Oct 5, 2018 6:12 PM
#50
It’s a maybe from me, because a good portion of my favorite anime are given a 10, but not all. And even the ones with 10s I still believe have flaws, but were outweighed with the good. I don’t consider myself to be a fantastic critic, but I think I’m at least able see the difference between a masterpiece and a piece of garbage. I just don’t analyze or think too hard about my scores, they’re probably based off of enjoyment. If it made me feel something and it’s not shitty it’s getting a 9 or 10 okay |
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