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Oct 3, 2018 11:13 AM

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Weird, they don't know Gundam yet it's the only franchise that's still making a shit ton of money?
Hmmm.


high chance the old fans are the ones inflating the sales since the usual best sellers of Gundam for the past few years are from the Universal Century Timeline like Gundam Unicorn and Gundam The Origin


I wonder of Gundam will disappear somehow, i know Japan has a demographic issues, so i feel like anime will fall into the deep of oblivlion.
 
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high chance the old fans are the ones inflating the sales since the usual best sellers of Gundam for the past few years are from the Universal Century Timeline like Gundam Unicorn and Gundam The Origin


I wonder of Gundam will disappear somehow, i know Japan has a demographic issues, so i feel like anime will fall into the deep of oblivlion.


as long as the toys of it sells then im sure Gundam anime will still be made, but ye the problem is there will be less new customers of it in the future due to the young anime fans preferring none mecha shows
 
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deg said:
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I wonder of Gundam will disappear somehow, i know Japan has a demographic issues, so i feel like anime will fall into the deep of oblivlion.


as long as the toys of it sells then im sure Gundam anime will still be made, but ye the problem is there will be less new customers of it in the future due to the young anime fans preferring none mecha shows


Yeah, but there is going to be quite fewer younger people in Japan due to low birth rate and aging society.

I feel like Japan will go extinct for sure:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/05/16/national/social-issues/japan-becoming-extinct/
 
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as long as the toys of it sells then im sure Gundam anime will still be made, but ye the problem is there will be less new customers of it in the future due to the young anime fans preferring none mecha shows


Yeah, but there is going to be quite fewer younger people in Japan due to low birth rate and aging society.

I feel like Japan will go extinct for sure:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/05/16/national/social-issues/japan-becoming-extinct/


thats a bigger problem than anime for sure

im just talking in general like all the young anime fans around the world like most of them do not like mecha shows
 
Oct 3, 2018 11:27 AM

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deg said:
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Yeah, but there is going to be quite fewer younger people in Japan due to low birth rate and aging society.

I feel like Japan will go extinct for sure:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/05/16/national/social-issues/japan-becoming-extinct/


thats a bigger problem than anime for sure

im just talking in general like all the young anime fans around the world like most of them do not like mecha shows


There are some people in Japan who likes stuff, but there is going to fewer to support and work in the anime industry in the that 2030s decade.
 
Oct 3, 2018 2:43 PM

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You do have a point OP.. but what if most year 80-70s other than 90-mid 2000s are the ones less obscure and yet to be forgotten

By the time.. year 2030

>Part 7
>Pluto
>Promare
>20th Century Boys (IMO)
>Yotsuba
>More Monogatari Franchise

Only most millennial series were left.. (Well that's just my example)
JJBA Steel Ball Run hype! I wonder if Hunter X Hunter would be done by then? I want to get into it but don't because it's always on hiatus.
 
Oct 3, 2018 2:47 PM

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I believe that many of those 25-30 year olds your were talking about grew up watching anime. Anime really only blew up in the 90's over here in the states. I think that many of these people will carry a life long passion for anime as well as many of the new anime fans coming in today. We are coming upon a time in which anime is gaining its first permanent residents of the hobby and I think that it will continue to do so(myself included hopefully). These people will continue to enjoy new shows and also keep the old shows alive. Basically what I'm saying is there will be some new fans that don't know the shows but there will be people from the current generation and the previous generation that will stick around for many more generations of fans and be able to show them these old shows.
 
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I hope not. I think maybe all the >90s animes will all be safely stored away and it's a piece of history or a relic. Japan, I'm trusting you!
 
Oct 3, 2018 2:52 PM

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I'd say you're partially correct. If the jump we've had from anime in the 60's is accurate in 30 years, anime will hopefully expand in style and story. I'd predict a later date for the 90's anime to become old, though. I don't think we have enough information on how anime from the earliest years is remembered, as most of the people who remember are aging in Japan at the moment. There's also the possibility of newer fans finding the older anime and carrying that memory forward.
 
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There will be plenty of remakes of older anime in the future, so i have a feeling that older anime will not be as forgotten as you think it will be.
 
Oct 3, 2018 7:39 PM

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I don't think we have enough information on how anime from the earliest years is remembered, as most of the people who remember are aging in Japan at the moment.

Wat

Met a coworker with a Rose of Versailles tattoo a while ago, she wasn't even an anime fan...


...Even normies here in France are more knowledgeable about the last 40 years of anime than the average MAL user >.>
 
Oct 3, 2018 8:44 PM

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How are you gonna forget about Joe? I gotta teach these whippasnappers some shit.
 
Oct 3, 2018 8:52 PM
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Anime is a very special genre.. i am 18,and i personally like the older animes way better that the current.. In the community specially if u don't watched the older stuff u are kinda like an outcast.. Masterpieces will never be forgotten.. they will always be part of the discussions.. so everybody will try out the gud stuff and will appreciate it of what it is.. in my opinion of course..
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Oct 3, 2018 11:43 PM

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Most of the anime that is airing now are completely forgotton after a year, and it's been like this for some years now. Certain classics will always be remembered, some classics that is still used as a gold standard or as a reference to comparing and to critique certain amies. The consistency of these said classics a cross the board in the biggest anime databases top list is more proof. Plus today is more about quantity over quality, it's oversaturated these days with the amount that comes out each season compared to back then. Every season/year there's always a new 'greatest anime ever' that comes out that see's high ratings and in the main discussions but after a year or two, it hardly gets a mention and then there is a new 'greatest anime ever'.

 
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they will get remade into infinite versions. its already starting now. dororo has no other reason to come out with a new anime other than to preserve the old one with a new version that more people will know about. it doesn't have a long franchise like gundam or dbz, or an audience to pander new versions to like yamato. its really just an obscure anime/manga that just has tezuka's name on it. most people watching the new one won't know there is a 1969 anime that is readily available to watch. but that happens in all mediums. how many doctor who fans have watched the 1960's version, or i dare say it: star wars fans that did not watch the original trilogy? *shivers* same thing happened to disney and like every movie classic they created ever
 
Oct 4, 2018 6:27 AM

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Some will be forgotten, some will last more. We'll just have to wait and see, won't we?
And that's kind of how everything in the world works, people forget about older things and latch on to what's new. That's what's happening right now, even.
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Oct 4, 2018 8:56 AM

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Before I join anime discussion in the internet, I have never heard of LoGH, Monster, Ashita no Joe, Utena,Rose of Versailles,Yamato IRL. And if I do hear it in the internet, it’s from old anime fan themselves. The only old anime I know of is Evangelion, Bebopand Rurouni Kenshin IRL.

Prepare to feel old: survey says over half of 20-somethings “don’t know Gundam”
https://soranews24.com/2014/06/29/prepare-to-feel-old-survey-says-over-half-of-20-somethings-dont-know-gundam/

Yup, old anime is dying and will be forgotten. No doubt about that. RIP old anime.

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deg said:


its dying lol



thats why there are new kids oriented Gundam shows this days like Gundam AGE and Gundam Build Fighters just to lure kids to be future fans of it but its failing though
Weird, they don't know Gundam yet it's the only franchise that's still making a shit ton of money?
Hmmm.


Gundam Seed Destiny (2004) = 68.9k avg sales
Kidou Senshi Gundam Tekketsu no Orphans Season 2 (2016) = 6.6k avg sales
http://www.someanithing.com/series-data-quick-view

It's definitely dying.
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Oct 4, 2018 9:14 AM

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You know they're gonna keep on milking the pokemon franchise with some weirdass color names.
 
Oct 4, 2018 12:14 PM

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Nah, it's the same as movies or comics, the classics from that time are never going to be forgotten. Your worries are unfounded, especially because i can personally see very few anime made today ascending to the tier of "classic".
 
Oct 4, 2018 12:16 PM
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Well, i'll never forget Hokuto No Ken. One of best Old Anime ever created.
 
Oct 4, 2018 10:22 PM

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I think you are neglecting an important distinction between what is popular and what is classically appreciated. Beyonce may have more fans today than does Beethoven but few would deny the latter's greater significance to music and greater artistic merit. Does havig fewer listeners make Beethoven obsolete? of course not, the popular masses have never had the capacity much less the authority to dictate the quality of the art they consume. If anything it just goes to show how meaningless popular trends are. There is constantly new "art" being produced to replace the old each quickly growing to enormously popularity but for the bulk of such works this is short lived and they are quickly forgotten and replaced by new media. But alongside these transient and disposable works there are a few which may continue to be appreciated if not by the greater masses than by a more critical and discriminating subset. In 200 years Beyonce will be all but forgotten but Beethovens work will live on. You tell me which is more important .
 
Oct 5, 2018 9:05 AM

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Kidou Senshi Gundam Tekketsu no Orphans Season 2 (2016) = 6.6k avg sales
http://www.someanithing.com/series-data-quick-view

It's definitely dying.

Orphans was shit (Mari Okada sure loves her melodrama). Those low sales are well deserved.

This only means that Sunrise can't make great new Gundams any more.
Lately they make money only by recycling the UC universe. The last good show in a different universe was Gundam 00 and the last passable Gundam Build Fighters.
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Oct 5, 2018 9:18 AM
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I may be a bit late to this thread, but I don't believe that is the case. If we look at any other medium, be it music, books or movies, there are plenty of old things people watch/listen to for decades, in case of classical music even centuries.

I admit I haven't watched too many 80s anime yet, but I have seen some 90s anime and I really liked most of them. I definitely plan on watching more when I feel like it. Moden anime may have better graphics, but older shows have their own nice feeling that modern anime lack. According to your "current anime will be forgotten by 2030", even 2000-2006 shows should be forgotten by now then, which is hardly the case. I'm sure majority of MAL fanbase have seen quite a few shows from that time period. Of course subpar things will be forgotten, but truly good things will always stand the test of time. I will be surprised if things that are considered masterpieces today weren't still being watched in 2030 and beyond, not only by older, but also new anime fans and young people.
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Oct 5, 2018 10:48 AM

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> "statistically that's going to happen"
> where you got this info from?
> "that is just common sense"
So OP took some info out of thin air and wants to discuss it, hmmm... no thanks.
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Yeah, with how the people is nowadays it might be posible. Shows from 2012 or before are already being considered "old" so it might be true. BUT classics will continue, shows like NGE, FMA, DB, Naruto and that stuff is not going to disapear. I think BNHA is going to join that club too, even tho I don0t enjoy it that much.
 
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Well, generally a lot of stuff in any medium is forgotten with time. For instance, I would expect anime like Grimoire of Zero and Classroom of the Elite (two shows that I thought were alright in fact) will fizzle out in time. However, there are also likely to be classics that will be revisited (I'm not expecting Cowboy Bebop or anything by Ghibli to go away anytime soon) time and time again. Of course, I wouldn't expect it to be on the scale of how much people revisit The Shining, but there are likely to be people who revisit things that are deemed classics.
 
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IRL. And if I do hear it in the internet, it’s from old anime fan themselves. The only old anime I know of is Evangelion, Bebopand Rurouni Kenshin IRL.

Prepare to feel old: survey says over half of 20-somethings “don’t know Gundam”
https://soranews24.com/2014/06/29/prepare-to-feel-old-survey-says-over-half-of-20-somethings-dont-know-gundam/

Yup, old anime is dying and will be forgotten. No doubt about that. RIP old anime.

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Weird, they don't know Gundam yet it's the only franchise that's still making a shit ton of money?
Hmmm.


Gundam Seed Destiny (2004) = 68.9k avg sales
Kidou Senshi Gundam Tekketsu no Orphans Season 2 (2016) = 6.6k avg sales
http://www.someanithing.com/series-data-quick-view

It's definitely dying.

Same here, never knew almost all of these anime existed beforehand.You’re more likely to find a more recent gundam anime in a user’s list than a UC gundam from the previous century.
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Most are already forgotten by western anime fans. Get real, most anime fans are casual and dont give a shit about older anime.


This. There aren’t as much regular anime watchers when compared to the number of people who watch TV shows/Movies.
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Looking at any other medium, from literature to movies and comic books, there's absolutely no reason to believe such a thing. Of course newer stuff will always be more popular and not everything will always be around (only those with relevant enough cultural impact), this already happens today, but there's no reason the old stuff will completely go out of fashion.


Have you ever watch Astro boy that came out in 1960? Did you know it had a big influence on anime? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnX-0fbXzyA How many people has ever even watched it or know of its impact in the anime medium?

It not only out of fashion, it's almost non existent, and I disagree it is the same for video game and most medium, the only one I can think of that can stay relevant is music. I know it hurts and it is not something most people would want to agree with, but it is the truth.
Using video games as an argument is ridiculous. People play classic video games from the 90s all of the time. I own numerous consoles from the 80s and 90s even though I wasn’t born then. Using Astro Boy as your example of an old show is not a good representation of an older anime either. Sure it was revolutionary to the medium, but not everyone wants to go back and watch a shounen from the 60s. Plenty of 80s and 90s shows are still talked about all of the time.
 
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Have you ever watch Astro boy that came out in 1960? Did you know it had a big influence on anime? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnX-0fbXzyA How many people has ever even watched it or know of its impact in the anime medium?

It not only out of fashion, it's almost non existent, and I disagree it is the same for video game and most medium, the only one I can think of that can stay relevant is music. I know it hurts and it is not something most people would want to agree with, but it is the truth.
Using video games as an argument is ridiculous. People play classic video games from the 90s all of the time. I own numerous consoles from the 80s and 90s even though I wasn’t born then. Using Astro Boy as your example of an old show is not a good representation of an older anime either. Sure it was revolutionary to the medium, but not everyone wants to go back and watch a shounen from the 60s. Plenty of 80s and 90s shows are still talked about all of the time.


You guys are like the minority that would spend a fortune buying a old super nintendo system.
 
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1 more year we will be in 2020. It just a matter of time before SAO, Code Geass, TTGL, Clannad being lump together with LoGH, Cowboy Bebop, Utena as old anime.
 
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keragamming said:
If you disagree with me, Go ahead and explain.


The original Star Wars movies are as beloved today as they were upon release, and they're almost 50 years old.

Action movies today, despite many trying, often fail to reproduce the magic that was Terminator, Aliens, Predator and Die Hard. Again, these movies are as well put together today (and actually have far, far better cinematography than the CGI shitfests the studios are putting out these days) as they were on release.

Simply put, if something excels within its genre, it stays relevant for a long, long time. Modern westerns still take lessons from Sergio Leone movies and old classics like Once Upon A Time In The West. Even classics like Bogart's The Treasure of the Sierra Madre are still templates for movie plots today.

There is no reason to think the shining examples of what anime can be will be diminished any time soon, especially given that anime is a growing medium, not a stagnating one.
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i disagree because there is literally no period of film history in which such a thing happened. on the contrary, people actually seem to be having more and more difficulty in letting go of old habits and old tastes (which is why i believe some shows like one piece and dragon ball are still airing today tbh)

BUT

what i do believe will happen is that the mainstream will be determined by streaming services more and more each day. so i do believe that if a certain show isn't featured on streaming services it'll be harder for it to break through the mainstream or to be 'found' by newer fans
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If you disagree with me, Go ahead and explain.


The original Star Wars movies are as beloved today as they were upon release, and they're almost 50 years old.

Action movies today, despite many trying, often fail to reproduce the magic that was Terminator, Aliens, Predator and Die Hard. Again, these movies are as well put together today (and actually have far, far better cinematography than the CGI shitfests the studios are putting out these days) as they were on release.

Simply put, if something excels within its genre, it stays relevant for a long, long time. Modern westerns still take lessons from Sergio Leone movies and old classics like Once Upon A Time In The West. Even classics like Bogart's The Treasure of the Sierra Madre are still templates for movie plots today.

There is no reason to think the shining examples of what anime can be will be diminished any time soon, especially given that anime is a growing medium, not a stagnating one.


Except for Star Wars, Predator, Terminator, Aliens which still have sequel to these days, I never heard the name of those other movies you mention and I never heard of the name Sergio Leone.
 
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keragamming said:
If you disagree with me, Go ahead and explain.


The original Star Wars movies are as beloved today as they were upon release, and they're almost 50 years old.

Action movies today, despite many trying, often fail to reproduce the magic that was Terminator, Aliens, Predator and Die Hard. Again, these movies are as well put together today (and actually have far, far better cinematography than the CGI shitfests the studios are putting out these days) as they were on release.

Simply put, if something excels within its genre, it stays relevant for a long, long time. Modern westerns still take lessons from Sergio Leone movies and old classics like Once Upon A Time In The West. Even classics like Bogart's The Treasure of the Sierra Madre are still templates for movie plots today.

There is no reason to think the shining examples of what anime can be will be diminished any time soon, especially given that anime is a growing medium, not a stagnating one.


Those series are still relevant because they still release movies and remake.

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i disagree because there is literally no period of film history in which such a thing happened. on the contrary, people actually seem to be having more and more difficulty in letting go of old habits and old tastes (which is why i believe some shows like one piece and dragon ball are still airing today tbh)

BUT

what i do believe will happen is that the mainstream will be determined by streaming services more and more each day. so i do believe that if a certain show isn't featured on streaming services it'll be harder for it to break through the mainstream or to be 'found' by newer fans


Good point on your first paragraph and I do agree with you on your second paragraph, but you need to keep in mind those people that love one piece and dbz are slowly dwindling out, not many new anime fans are getting into those series simple because of the amount of episode it has and because they are considered "old"

There are more new anime fans than old one.

 
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If you disagree with me, Go ahead and explain.
I never heard of the name Sergio Leone.


Do you like Westerns? If not, then there's no reason for you to really know this name :) And if you DO like Westerns and you haven't heard of him then which Westerns have you been watching?

You've heard of The Godfather though, right? Scarface? Back to the Future? My point is that great pieces of entertainment will always be great pieces of entertainment.

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The original Star Wars movies are as beloved today as they were upon release, and they're almost 50 years old.

Action movies today, despite many trying, often fail to reproduce the magic that was Terminator, Aliens, Predator and Die Hard. Again, these movies are as well put together today (and actually have far, far better cinematography than the CGI shitfests the studios are putting out these days) as they were on release.

Simply put, if something excels within its genre, it stays relevant for a long, long time. Modern westerns still take lessons from Sergio Leone movies and old classics like Once Upon A Time In The West. Even classics like Bogart's The Treasure of the Sierra Madre are still templates for movie plots today.

There is no reason to think the shining examples of what anime can be will be diminished any time soon, especially given that anime is a growing medium, not a stagnating one.


Those series are still relevant because they still release movies and remake.


And the remakes/sequels are almost unilaterally terrible, but the originals stand as brilliant movies and if you're into cinema there is no way you won't have either seen them or felt their influence in other movies. They're still relevant because they are still brilliant and people still watch them. See my other examples for non-franchised examples.
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Most but not all, a few outstanding anime will stand the test of time and turn into classics like it happened with NGE, LoGH, GitS, Akira, Bebop, etc.
Many Charlie Chaplin movies from 1920 to 1940 are still highly regarded today, even though the initial target audience is already dead.

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CallMeHoot said:
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Do you like Westerns? If not, then there's no reason for you to really know this name :) And if you DO like Westerns and you haven't heard of him then which Westerns have you been watching?

You've heard of The Godfather though, right? Scarface? Back to the Future? My point is that great pieces of entertainment will always be great pieces of entertainment.


Never watch any of it. Yes,I've heard Back to the Future but haven't hear enough about it to make me watch it. Never heard of The Godfather and Scarface.

I think you are missing the point of this thread. It's not a matter of how great those entertainment are but whether they will be remembered or not.As time goes on, there will be more and more movies coming out and new generations won't have enough time to watch old movies. It also a matter of availability. New generations will choose to watch whatever movies available in their cinema with their friend or girlfriend or boyfriend, which without a doubt will be flooded by new movies. Sure there might be some people who will still remember them but they are in minority/niche among hardcore movie goers, not the majority casual such as myself who don't know who is Sergio Leone.

And the remakes/sequels are almost unilaterally terrible, but the originals stand as brilliant movies and if you're into cinema there is no way you won't have either seen them or felt their influence in other movies. They're still relevant because they are still brilliant and people still watch them. See my other examples for non-franchised examples.


I think what keragamming saying is that they have remakes/sequels that promote the old classics, which is why they will be remembered regardless of whether the remakes/sequels are better or not.
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Not a fan of western and never watch any of it which is why I'm a living proof that those old movies no matter how great they are will be forgotten. Yes,I've heard Back to the Future but haven't hear enough good thing about it to make me watch it. Never heard of The Godfather and Scarface.

I think you are missing the point of this thread. It's not a matter of how great those entertainment are but whether they will be remembered or not.As time goes on, there will be more and more movies coming out and new generations won't have enough time to watch old movies. It also a matter of availability. New generations will choose to watch whatever movies available in their cinema with their friend or girlfriend or boyfriend, which without a doubt will be flooded by new movies. Sure there might be some people who will still remember them but they are in minority/niche among hardcore movie goers, not the majority casual such as myself won't know who is Sergio Leone.

OK... Now its Obvious that You have been living under a Weeb Rock for your Whole Life.


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Not a fan of western and never watch any of it which is why I'm a living proof that those old movies no matter how great they are will be forgotten. Yes,I've heard Back to the Future but haven't hear enough good thing about it to make me watch it. Never heard of The Godfather and Scarface.

I think you are missing the point of this thread. It's not a matter of how great those entertainment are but whether they will be remembered or not.As time goes on, there will be more and more movies coming out and new generations won't have enough time to watch old movies. It also a matter of availability. New generations will choose to watch whatever movies available in their cinema with their friend or girlfriend or boyfriend, which without a doubt will be flooded by new movies. Sure there might be some people who will still remember them but they are in minority/niche among hardcore movie goers, not the majority casual such as myself won't know who is Sergio Leone.

OK... Now its Obvious that You have been living under a Weeb Rock for your Whole Life.


Naah,I'm just a casual movie goers, that's all. Most of my friend IRL never heard about those movies too. When we talk about classics, we only talk about those franchised movies like Star Wars, Predator, Aliens, Terminator, Jurassic Park,Jaws, ET(yeah many Steven Spielberg stuff) that's about it.

LOL! I never even heard of LoGH, Utena, Rose of Versailles before I join anime discussions in the internet. Not sure if the Weeb Rock label even suit me.
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That is my prediction, and the reason why I predict this is because the only reason why some of these 90s and 80s anime are still being somewhat relevant today, is simple because of the 25 to 30+ year old anime fans. By time 2030 comes around most of them will be irrelevant in the medium, for whatever reason, statistically that's going to happen.
The fact Yu Yu Hakusho got a tv special 2018, 23 years after the end of it's original run prove you wronge.

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I don’t think it will die by or in 2030.
Look at One Piece and the Dragon Ball franchise. They both started in the late 90s (early 2000s I think) and they both are doing great as of now
Dragon Ball began in 84 for the manga, 86 for anime. By the end of the 80's it already aired in France, and a couple of other country. But yeah, the anglosaxon world discovered Dragon ball very late, and only began airing them in late 90's, and it only became very popular in the early 2000's. To me that grew up with the DBZ (I'm from a french talking country), it always felt weird when people on the internet consider DBZ and Pokémon as series of the same generation.
 
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I think you are missing the point of this thread. It's not a matter of how great those entertainment are but whether they will be remembered or not.As time goes on, there will be more and more movies coming out and new generations won't have enough time to watch old movies. It also a matter of availability. New generations will choose to watch whatever movies available in their cinema with their friend or girlfriend or boyfriend, which without a doubt will be flooded by new movies. Sure there might be some people who will still remember them but they are in minority/niche among hardcore movie goers, not the majority casual such as myself who don't know who is Sergio Leone.



Ok, but you realise that just because you are a casual movie goer and have friends that are the same doesn't mean that nobody remembers or will continue to remember great classics like The Godfather and Scarface. You're actually in the minority if you don't know these movies.

Even comedies today like family guy are still referencing scenes from these movies for laughs.

I wasn't missing the point at all, these movies WILL be remembered. I mean I'm proof of that, and I have a fairly wide circle of friends, many of which enjoy film/cinema and also love these movies.

Take it from me, on this issue you're in the minority if you're talking about the population of the west, hell, even the world, as a whole.
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I think you are missing the point of this thread. It's not a matter of how great those entertainment are but whether they will be remembered or not.As time goes on, there will be more and more movies coming out and new generations won't have enough time to watch old movies. It also a matter of availability. New generations will choose to watch whatever movies available in their cinema with their friend or girlfriend or boyfriend, which without a doubt will be flooded by new movies. Sure there might be some people who will still remember them but they are in minority/niche among hardcore movie goers, not the majority casual such as myself who don't know who is Sergio Leone.



Ok, but you realise that just because you are a casual movie goer and have friends that are the same doesn't mean that nobody remembers or will continue to remember great classics like The Godfather and Scarface. You're actually in the minority if you don't know these movies.

Even comedies today like family guy are still referencing scenes from these movies for laughs.

I wasn't missing the point at all, these movies WILL be remembered. I mean I'm proof of that, and I have a fairly wide circle of friends, many of which enjoy film/cinema and also love these movies.

Take it from me, on this issue you're in the minority if you're talking about the population of the west, hell, even the world, as a whole.


I don’t watch Family Guy though heard about it. World? Naah that’s too much. Maybe in English speaking countries I’m in minority but in non English I wouldn’t bet on it.

In Japan itself, more and more young people never heard of Gundam.
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You say good OP... However the 80s and 90s classics aren't only carried by the older anime fans, I met a lot of young ones. So at least some will prevail, they die out more and more by decade tho.
Also this could mean more remakes, remakes could draw attention.
 
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I think they'll still be remembered, because i'll remember them.
 
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thats stupid to assume, most anime will get a remake like most of them are getting now, fruits basket, dororo, boogiepop and many more to come. Nostalgia sells.
 
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We will have elitists who watches older anime and then we have normal people keeping up with current anime and a few years back like usual. So some people will probably go ultra elitist and watch the anime from 80s and 90s which is obsolete.
 
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keragamming said:
That is my prediction, and the reason why I predict this is because the only reason why some of these 90s and 80s anime are still being somewhat relevant today, is simple because of the 25 to 30+ year old anime fans. By time 2030 comes around most of them will be irrelevant in the medium, for whatever reason, statistically that's going to happen.

Which means by then the new generation of anime fans will be around, in their teens and early 20s, I believe that is the average age on mal today as well, and they won't be interested in watching those 90s anime, 2010 anime fans also are not interested so it's a no chance for 2030 fans, especially because of the outdated art style and animation. Of course we will always have those rare bunch that will watch all the old classic.

Thinking about it makes me kinda sad, because now the 2000s and 2010s anime will be the one filling the boots for the 90s and 80s classic, in the end even the most influential anime will not even be known by majority of these new fans, only ones who are interested will find them in the archives online or on youtube etc.

Funny enough, if I'm around in the medium by then, I can see myself being just like those anime fan that says the 90s/80s anime are better than the current anime. It's a never ending cycle. lol

If you disagree with me, Go ahead and explain.


This is an interesting prediction, we have experienced a major change in the anime industry where the standard changed from Cel to more digital animation style, in the later 00s. I believe this is just the start as I predicted there will be more major changes in the near future. Shounen Jump is expanding to get more international authors mostly Koreans and Chinese as of now but whose to say the range won’t widen later on. Korea always had many talented manhwa authors. Who’s to say they won’t start an animation industry that will rival Japan one day. Same with China, having a rather late start, the quality of Chinese animation is nowhere near Japan or America today but who knows how far they will come a few years down the road. So the Japanese anime industry may experience some competition in later years and it will impact the anime produced.

The thing is when you say some 80s and 90s anime are only alive because of the 25 or 30s year old fans are keeping them alive. Needn't I remind you that it’s because of those series that the fans exist. If the anime isn’t memorable or doesn’t resonate with audiences they’d be forgotten regardless of how long ago it aired.
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Ok, but you realise that just because you are a casual movie goer and have friends that are the same doesn't mean that nobody remembers or will continue to remember great classics like The Godfather and Scarface. You're actually in the minority if you don't know these movies.

Even comedies today like family guy are still referencing scenes from these movies for laughs.

I wasn't missing the point at all, these movies WILL be remembered. I mean I'm proof of that, and I have a fairly wide circle of friends, many of which enjoy film/cinema and also love these movies.

Take it from me, on this issue you're in the minority if you're talking about the population of the west, hell, even the world, as a whole.


I don’t watch Family Guy though heard about it. World? Naah that’s too much. Maybe in English speaking countries I’m in minority but in non English I wouldn’t bet on it.

In Japan itself, more and more young people never heard of Gundam.
Are you from Japan by any chance?
I find that hard to believe about Gundam.
Don't bother if you don't know how special effects were done without computers.

 
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I don’t watch Family Guy though heard about it. World? Naah that’s too much. Maybe in English speaking countries I’m in minority but in non English I wouldn’t bet on it.

In Japan itself, more and more young people never heard of Gundam.
Are you from Japan by any chance?
I find that hard to believe about Gundam.


No but I been to Japan before and spent some time living there due to exchange program there. It's nothing that unbelievable really. Anime itself is a very niche market, even in Japan itself. Gundam are no exception. Disney and western 3D cartoon are the king of animation in Japan. Just look at these blu ray sales in Japan. Moana, Frozen, Incredibles 2 sell so much better than most other anime.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-01-08/japan-animation-blu-ray-disc-ranking-december-31-january-6/.141771
That is why I strongly believe most old anime will become obsolete decades from now(of course, there are some anime that are exception but those are the minority) because anime is a niche market.
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Looking at any other medium, from literature to movies and comic books, there's absolutely no reason to believe such a thing. Of course newer stuff will always be more popular and not everything will always be around (only those with relevant enough cultural impact), this already happens today, but there's no reason the old stuff will completely go out of fashion.

I think exactly the other way around. People call movies from 2010 old and don't tend to watch them unless they're on TV. Of course, it doesn't no one ever enjoys new things, but yeah, As time pass by, things are forgotten.


 
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