Some plot points i dont understand

Sep 17, 2018 6:07 PM

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mikotitania said:
sorry if this is awkward, this is my first post but if anyone can please clarify some points i dont understand and/or maybe missed.

1- why are durpa and stratfor fighting aganist each other, both are american ?!

2- how did leskinen know about suzuha time machine and where to find it ?

3- if leskinen wanted to take it for himself and deceive the world as if he destroyed it, why did he simply destroy it when okabe went back for the second time ?

4- how did okabe wake in the future, where did daru get that memory data from 2011 and how did he overwrite okabe brain with it ?!

thank you in advance

1. We have known what Leskinen's (Stratfor) motive, just wait for Reyes' (DURPA) motive. Also, although both organizations are from the same country, it doesn't mean they have the same interest.

2. Kagari

3. Maybe he thought if he can't get the machine, no one will. After all, it is convergence that the machine will be "destroyed".

4. They literally explained this in episode 20. Watch it again.

Sep 18, 2018 4:21 AM

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1. We have known what Leskinen's (Stratfor) motive, just wait for Reyes' (DURPA) motive. Also, although both organizations are from the same country, it doesn't mean they have the same interest.

2. Kagari

3. Maybe he thought if he can't get the machine, no one will. After all, it is convergence that the machine will be "destroyed".

4. They literally explained this in episode 20. Watch it again.[/quote]

I see thank you alot i watched episode 20 and daru says he only recently salvaged it from an old pc, is that it ?!

Sep 24, 2018 11:54 AM

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as someone already answers your question.. although these questions dont confuse me.. but the one thing that confuses me is that, there were times when they kinda shows us that YUKI is somehow connected to the black helmet girl.. and till the second last episode it has not been explained??

Sep 24, 2018 1:18 PM

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Crecent said:
as someone already answers your question.. although these questions dont confuse me.. but the one thing that confuses me is that, there were times when they kinda shows us that YUKI is somehow connected to the black helmet girl.. and till the second last episode it has not been explained??

She isn't, it's a red-herring to confuse you. Her friends said she was just clumsy.

Sep 24, 2018 3:04 PM

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mikotitania said:

I see thank you alot i watched episode 20 and daru says he only recently salvaged it from an old pc, is that it ?!

it has been established that when okabe do time leap his memory from this moment transfers into sern servers to compress them

so it make sense that when okabe failed to time leap his memories from this moment still saved since it hasn't been sent to the past

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Sep 24, 2018 10:56 PM

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mikotitania said:
sorry if this is awkward, this is my first post but if anyone can please clarify some points i dont understand and/or maybe missed.

1- why are durpa and stratfor fighting aganist each other, both are american ?!

2- how did leskinen know about suzuha time machine and where to find it ?

3- if leskinen wanted to take it for himself and deceive the world as if he destroyed it, why did he simply destroy it when okabe went back for the second time ?

4- how did okabe wake in the future, where did daru get that memory data from 2011 and how did he overwrite okabe brain with it ?!

thank you in advance

The problem is that they are leaving too much out from the VN, as well as mashing two timelines together. Reyes being in DURPA and Leskinin being in Stratfor are from those different plotlines. Whereas in the VN she is a brutal character to be feared, in this her being DURPA is carelessly inserted.

As for the reason they would be fighting each other, take note the DURPA is truly part of the US Government, whereas Stratfor is civilian. They have different intentions on how to use the time machine information. I'm not going to spoil it though.

It should also be noted that in the VN the attack helicopter that destroys the time machine is Russian, not DURPA or Stratfor. Really the Russians should be showing up and f-ing everyone up right around then.

Also, in the VN Okabe does not wake up in the future because of a failed time leap. They really botched this part badly.

For the record I actually like the anime. But they did seriously botch a lot of things about it, and it is going to be somewhat confusing for people who didn't play the VN because of that.

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Sep 24, 2018 11:49 PM

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Hraktuus said:

mikotitania said:
sorry if this is awkward, this is my first post but if anyone can please clarify some points i dont understand and/or maybe missed.

1- why are durpa and stratfor fighting aganist each other, both are american ?!

2- how did leskinen know about suzuha time machine and where to find it ?

3- if leskinen wanted to take it for himself and deceive the world as if he destroyed it, why did he simply destroy it when okabe went back for the second time ?

4- how did okabe wake in the future, where did daru get that memory data from 2011 and how did he overwrite okabe brain with it ?!

thank you in advance

The problem is that they are leaving too much out from the VN, as well as mashing two timelines together. Reyes being in DURPA and Leskinin being in Stratfor are from those different plotlines. Whereas in the VN she is a brutal character to be feared, in this her being DURPA is carelessly inserted.

As for the reason they would be fighting each other, take note the DURPA is truly part of the US Government, whereas Stratfor is civilian. They have different intentions on how to use the time machine information. I'm not going to spoil it though.

It should also be noted that in the VN the attack helicopter that destroys the time machine is Russian, not DURPA or Stratfor. Really the Russians should be showing up and f-ing everyone up right around then.

Also, in the VN Okabe does not wake up in the future because of a failed time leap. They really botched this part badly.

For the record I actually like the anime. But they did seriously botch a lot of things about it, and it is going to be somewhat confusing for people who didn't play the VN because of that.

Actually the helicopter is still sent by the russians in the anime too, they even mentioned it in the last ep that the reason the time machine was destroyed even after they played leskinen and durpa was because they had no idea how the russians were getting the informations

Sep 26, 2018 4:44 AM

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Hraktuus said:

mikotitania said:
sorry if this is awkward, this is my first post but if anyone can please clarify some points i dont understand and/or maybe missed.

1- why are durpa and stratfor fighting aganist each other, both are american ?!

2- how did leskinen know about suzuha time machine and where to find it ?

3- if leskinen wanted to take it for himself and deceive the world as if he destroyed it, why did he simply destroy it when okabe went back for the second time ?

4- how did okabe wake in the future, where did daru get that memory data from 2011 and how did he overwrite okabe brain with it ?!

thank you in advance

The problem is that they are leaving too much out from the VN, as well as mashing two timelines together. Reyes being in DURPA and Leskinin being in Stratfor are from those different plotlines. Whereas in the VN she is a brutal character to be feared, in this her being DURPA is carelessly inserted.

As for the reason they would be fighting each other, take note the DURPA is truly part of the US Government, whereas Stratfor is civilian. They have different intentions on how to use the time machine information. I'm not going to spoil it though.

It should also be noted that in the VN the attack helicopter that destroys the time machine is Russian, not DURPA or Stratfor. Really the Russians should be showing up and f-ing everyone up right around then.

Also, in the VN Okabe does not wake up in the future because of a failed time leap. They really botched this part badly.

For the record I actually like the anime. But they did seriously botch a lot of things about it, and it is going to be somewhat confusing for people who didn't play the VN because of that.

Can you explain that part more? I'm actually curious about how much scenes they cut in the anime.

Sep 26, 2018 7:53 AM

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ina-astral said:

Hraktuus said:

The problem is that they are leaving too much out from the VN, as well as mashing two timelines together. Reyes being in DURPA and Leskinin being in Stratfor are from those different plotlines. Whereas in the VN she is a brutal character to be feared, in this her being DURPA is carelessly inserted.

As for the reason they would be fighting each other, take note the DURPA is truly part of the US Government, whereas Stratfor is civilian. They have different intentions on how to use the time machine information. I'm not going to spoil it though.

It should also be noted that in the VN the attack helicopter that destroys the time machine is Russian, not DURPA or Stratfor. Really the Russians should be showing up and f-ing everyone up right around then.

Also, in the VN Okabe does not wake up in the future because of a failed time leap. They really botched this part badly.

For the record I actually like the anime. But they did seriously botch a lot of things about it, and it is going to be somewhat confusing for people who didn't play the VN because of that.

Can you explain that part more? I'm actually curious about how much scenes they cut in the anime.

They changed and removed some plot points, although they still handled the story pretty decently.

In the VN that part is reached as such (in short):

Kagari in addition has memories of Kurisu, and sometimes she acts like Kurisu. Anime cut out that plot point, but it led to some very interesting moments with Okabe's reaction and everyone around, her character in the anime felt more empty without that, although it got improved in other aspects. It was Reyes that made her like that after she came from the future and she captured her to work on her "enhanced soldier" brainwashing techniques for the military by trying to implant Amadeus memories, apparently she was very compatible with them, but the experiment was incomplete and she escaped. Later Daru and Maho manage to find her memories.. or it was Kurisu's/Amadeus memories, I'm not too sure. Anyway, the point was that they would try to put these memories back into Kagari using the time leap machine but sending them instantly into the present instead of the past. That in theory would have helped Kagari become normal again by removing the inconsistencies in her brain. When they start the procedure, DURPA suddenly commences attack on the lab and everyone is in a rush but Okabe hesitates because she reminds him of Kurisu, especially in that moment when she suffers. There is a route split here, but anyway when Okabe accepts the call and the memories get transferred, the world line instantly changes but the RS effect doesn't show fully the numbers at the beginning. The following is pretty similar to the anime, Okabe has this weird dream with everyone and then Okabe wakes up in the abandoned building with sharp pain. The difference here is that, in this new world line Okabe actually didn't know much about Kagari/Reyes/Amadeus and became close to Maho and Leskinen in the past, further helping them with the testing and even getting his own memories sampled into Amadeus. You can guess these memories are later used to further the war. Okabe gets tortured and dies. The memories they later use to revive him are actually the Amadeus memories he had uploaded, and again Daru has broke trough and found. The rest is pretty much a compressed version of the anime scenes, the 3000 leap is done almost instantly in a quick animation with nothing shown in details trough the years, which is a great improvement in this adaptation.

AquamirrorSep 26, 2018 8:10 AM

Sep 26, 2018 11:53 AM

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Does anyone know what was the message that okabe received just before the helicopter attacked the time machine? and is it what prevented its destruction ?

Sep 26, 2018 12:46 PM

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Oussema said:
Does anyone know what was the message that okabe received just before the helicopter attacked the time machine? and is it what prevented its destruction ?

"Deceive the world. Connect the possibilities. The world can be tricked." The message is sent from "Mad Scientist"

Sep 26, 2018 1:00 PM

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Hokkyoku-no said:

Oussema said:
Does anyone know what was the message that okabe received just before the helicopter attacked the time machine? and is it what prevented its destruction ?

"Deceive the world. Connect the possibilities. The world can be tricked." The message is sent from "Mad Scientist"

The message is shown in the VN .... That message makes it zero ... But the anime fucked up everything and tried to make both paths into single linear plot ...

Sep 26, 2018 1:12 PM

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Kirantarou said:

Hokkyoku-no said:

"Deceive the world. Connect the possibilities. The world can be tricked." The message is sent from "Mad Scientist"

The message is shown in the VN .... That message makes it zero ... But the anime fucked up everything and tried to make both paths into single linear plot ...

Nothing was really fucked though, even if that message here doesn't seem to play any role.
The consistency with the VN regarding MWC isn't broken.

Sep 27, 2018 5:09 AM

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Aquamirror said:

ina-astral said:

Can you explain that part more? I'm actually curious about how much scenes they cut in the anime.

They changed and removed some plot points, although they still handled the story pretty decently.

In the VN that part is reached as such (in short):

Kagari in addition has memories of Kurisu, and sometimes she acts like Kurisu. Anime cut out that plot point, but it led to some very interesting moments with Okabe's reaction and everyone around, her character in the anime felt more empty without that, although it got improved in other aspects. It was Reyes that made her like that after she came from the future and she captured her to work on her "enhanced soldier" brainwashing techniques for the military by trying to implant Amadeus memories, apparently she was very compatible with them, but the experiment was incomplete and she escaped. Later Daru and Maho manage to find her memories.. or it was Kurisu's/Amadeus memories, I'm not too sure. Anyway, the point was that they would try to put these memories back into Kagari using the time leap machine but sending them instantly into the present instead of the past. That in theory would have helped Kagari become normal again by removing the inconsistencies in her brain. When they start the procedure, DURPA suddenly commences attack on the lab and everyone is in a rush but Okabe hesitates because she reminds him of Kurisu, especially in that moment when she suffers. There is a route split here, but anyway when Okabe accepts the call and the memories get transferred, the world line instantly changes but the RS effect doesn't show fully the numbers at the beginning. The following is pretty similar to the anime, Okabe has this weird dream with everyone and then Okabe wakes up in the abandoned building with sharp pain. The difference here is that, in this new world line Okabe actually didn't know much about Kagari/Reyes/Amadeus and became close to Maho and Leskinen in the past, further helping them with the testing and even getting his own memories sampled into Amadeus. You can guess these memories are later used to further the war. Okabe gets tortured and dies. The memories they later use to revive him are actually the Amadeus memories he had uploaded, and again Daru has broke trough and found. The rest is pretty much a compressed version of the anime scenes, the 3000 leap is done almost instantly in a quick animation with nothing shown in details trough the years, which is a great improvement in this adaptation.

I knew something is wrong with Kagari's details in the anime, ever since the episode that showed her as 'Amadeus sample' or something few weeks back.. Anyway, thank you for the explanations.

Sep 27, 2018 7:15 AM

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Kirantarou said:

Hokkyoku-no said:

"Deceive the world. Connect the possibilities. The world can be tricked." The message is sent from "Mad Scientist"

The message is shown in the VN .... That message makes it zero ... But the anime fucked up everything and tried to make both paths into single linear plot ...

Aquamirror said:

Kirantarou said:

The message is shown in the VN .... That message makes it zero ... But the anime fucked up everything and tried to make both paths into single linear plot ...

Nothing was really fucked though, even if that message here doesn't seem to play any role.
The consistency with the VN regarding MWC isn't broken.

0 is the story of multiple failed iterations with Okabe learning his lessons and reaching the exact order of small changed worldline iterations to have the outcome he needs to make S;G happen.

The VN shows the initial iterations of PR and V&A like events, which didnt result in MWC as we didnt see the effect of the D-Rine there. Milky Way Crossing is a seperate worldline that didnt have a divergence number.

The anime shows the last iterations of PR and V&A like events in which the MWC 0 Okabe also gets the message from the VN. So yeah Milky Way Crossing is the only thing that is really consistent in both and connects it to the VN iterations (Which makes sense as its a complementary story sharing the same true ending).

Its not linear by any means and the anime doesnt explain a lot of things as they want you to buy the VN in order to get the full picture (which is annoying and i hate explaining some things like the famous episode 4 to anime onlies, as there are still unclear things in both). Knowing how the 0 Director also worked on the Storyboard of Elite its clear we will get someday a 0 Elite that features both iterations of the VN and the Anime.

ina-astral said:

Aquamirror said:

They changed and removed some plot points, although they still handled the story pretty decently.

In the VN that part is reached as such (in short):

Kagari in addition has memories of Kurisu, and sometimes she acts like Kurisu. Anime cut out that plot point, but it led to some very interesting moments with Okabe's reaction and everyone around, her character in the anime felt more empty without that, although it got improved in other aspects. It was Reyes that made her like that after she came from the future and she captured her to work on her "enhanced soldier" brainwashing techniques for the military by trying to implant Amadeus memories, apparently she was very compatible with them, but the experiment was incomplete and she escaped. Later Daru and Maho manage to find her memories.. or it was Kurisu's/Amadeus memories, I'm not too sure. Anyway, the point was that they would try to put these memories back into Kagari using the time leap machine but sending them instantly into the present instead of the past. That in theory would have helped Kagari become normal again by removing the inconsistencies in her brain. When they start the procedure, DURPA suddenly commences attack on the lab and everyone is in a rush but Okabe hesitates because she reminds him of Kurisu, especially in that moment when she suffers. There is a route split here, but anyway when Okabe accepts the call and the memories get transferred, the world line instantly changes but the RS effect doesn't show fully the numbers at the beginning. The following is pretty similar to the anime, Okabe has this weird dream with everyone and then Okabe wakes up in the abandoned building with sharp pain. The difference here is that, in this new world line Okabe actually didn't know much about Kagari/Reyes/Amadeus and became close to Maho and Leskinen in the past, further helping them with the testing and even getting his own memories sampled into Amadeus. You can guess these memories are later used to further the war. Okabe gets tortured and dies. The memories they later use to revive him are actually the Amadeus memories he had uploaded, and again Daru has broke trough and found. The rest is pretty much a compressed version of the anime scenes, the 3000 leap is done almost instantly in a quick animation with nothing shown in details trough the years, which is a great improvement in this adaptation.

I knew something is wrong with Kagari's details in the anime, ever since the episode that showed her as 'Amadeus sample' or something few weeks back.. Anyway, thank you for the explanations.

better not read such things as they clearly want Anime-Onlies to get the full picture of all 0 iterations with both versions.
In depth spoiler like that only spoil you the VN and bring up more confusing stuff on the table as 0 isnt a linear story in any way.

sanleiSep 27, 2018 7:23 AM

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