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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Even in the finale, the series still to take a dive into Rinne's past. Up to this point, the show tried to focus so much on her yet in the end, I don't feel like she's a creative character to remember. Weak exposition and uninspired storytelling is what I describe this anime. Compared to the other episodes though, this one did have a more thrilling feeling so I guess that's something. I just wish the show didn't have such pacing issues. Looks like the past and present finally connects. About time but that isn't enough to save this anime imo. That wedding though. |
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| Damn what a hell of a plot twist for a final episode. Now I feel really weird about the relationship of Setsuna and daughter Rinne, it makes me feel bad for daughter Rinne... I really was engaged in this episode but one episode can't make up for most of the series, which was a bit boring. I think dull and not important characters, pacing issues and ineffective storytelling really took this series back, and that's only some of the issues. With that said, I think the last few episodes were interesting enough to not call this series "bad". |
MrMushinSep 16, 2018 10:32 AM
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| Even at the last episode, this series still has the cheek to do more storytelling? But indeed, the last episode clarifies most of the loopholes, connecting both the past and present happenings of Kuon, what absolence is this. The plot twist becomes apparent though...that the time-travelling gimmick is just time repeating over and over again, for both Rinne and Setsuna. So the true couple was Setsuna and the past Rinne (present Kuon name change) then, and the wedding that had all of us were fooled by all this time. Overall, unimpressive storytelling but bad pacing too. |
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| This show is finally over and thank god it is. The storytelling in this show was very lackluster for most of it and the ending was a bit bland for me. The characters were all forgettable and very underwhelming, the setting was plain dumb and the 'SciFi' was so uninteresting. Sure there was some solid music and artwork. But overall, this show was really bad. Go watch Grisaia or Steins;Gate for much better shows. |
| Yeah this was actually a pretty good episode. Didn't realize that Kuon was the actual Rinne, interesting twist there but it sorta ended right there and I'm not sure what happened to the whole save the island plot line and the whole future timeline or whatever. Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention. Overall, the show suffers from what you'd expect in a typical VN adaptation. Trying to fit too much into too little space. The presentation was really not that good and more often that not the show just lost me or I didn't pay enough attention. The premise does seem to warrant quite a bit of intrigue and story does kinda feel like it could be good so I'd assume the VN actually pulls it all off in far better much more compelling fashion. I'll probably give the VN a try some da but that doesn't makeup for the lackluster presentation in the anime. I'd assume this is the sorta anime that only readers of the original VN would like. 5/10 |
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| Yes anime is new route thing cause conclusion were differently but I really want to see more Setsuna and Kuon (Rinné) in visual novel as well. |
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| Kuon aka past Rinne get married with Setsuna. Rinne (daughter) accept it. They explain a bit about the past, present and the machine. What can I say about Island? It suffers the same problems from a typical VN adaptation: bad pacing, plot holes, bad characterization and weak plot. The only thing that it is worth is the animation. 1.5 for the episode. 2/10 for the anime. |
| All weebs creatures of the galaxy, hear this message. Those of you who listen will not be struck by western animation. You will no longer know hunger, nor pain. Your Anime have come to lead you now. Our strength shall serve as a luminous sun toward which all intelligence may blossom. And the impervious shelter beneath which you will prosper. However, for those who refuse our offer and cling to their western animation ways… For you, there will be great wrath. |
| If you pay attention during the wedding scenes, behind the tree on the right there is Sara, the one from the past with big oppai. Now wtf is going on, is just an easter egg or something else? |
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| How to make an anime without a real main female character? Make an anime adaptation of a VN! It's really sad that during the entire series, Rinne long-haired was protrayed as the main female protagonist as both the opening and the ending are focused on her and almost 80% of the series too. So... our "Setsuna" is from the the second to last reset!? The heck is he coming from!? Why nobody seems to remember he does not have any memories of the past since it was the future near a reset? We do not know WHEN he was born and how he took the name Setsuna. De heck |
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BestJo said: LOL I had to rewatch the wedding scene to confirm of her appearance you do have a sharp eyes :PIf you pay attention during the wedding scenes, behind the tree on the right there is Sara, the one from the past with big oppai. Now wtf is going on, is just an easter egg or something else? |
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| So, MC suddenly turned from the master of the harem into the father of one of the heroines. LOL. At least they avoided the "surprise incest" trope in favor of an easier happy ending. Well, I will not say that I didn't like this show, but it seemed to me rather complicated and poor. Maybe this show is better to watch at a time, I don't know. At the same time, I really liked the work of seiyu and nostalgic visual novel vibes. 6/10. |
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| Ok. Too much information to take in. But they handled the explanation fairly. That plot twist was unpredictable (for anime only viewers). Ending was fine. Might have been slow when it started airing, but the pacing got better. Nice episode. |
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| I agree with what has been said here. Bad pacing, bad storytelling and trying to build Kuon/NI Rinne's character in the last episode is a big failure. The world time reset is even more stupid that an infinite loophole and the MC escaping from it by speedrunning all his past experiences. But the only thing I can't understand is, why they ended the "time machine"? They are finally together and they daughter is happy, so who is going to use that machine? They didn't even make room for two. At first, I have to admit, I thought she was going to finish it so she could sleep until Setsuna aged as much as her. |
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| When you truly wish for that most precious moment of your life to be lived again, even time delivers it if you wait and hope. So the legendary SetsunaxRinne pair finally sync up after two retry at the world reset? Damn that's some mind boggling plot. If they had just introduced the Never Island Arc as a memory then it would have been all perfect but still having twice the reset seems good enough to empower enough feelings, it still leaves big plotholes with the age gap between the two (when they both had twice reset?) while discarding the time leap machine theory. |
dasprnSep 16, 2018 11:02 AM
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| We were THIS close to invest. |
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| can someone explain me the ending pls? lol i didnt understand the thing of world reset and where setsuna is from. and if never island is the past or the future and how kuon (rinne) used the time machine and why she was there befoe setsuna |
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| That was one hell of a story. Too bad they crammed it all into 12 episodes and ruined it. This could've been a big hit with 24 episodes. I can't even hate this anime since I was still thoroughly absorbed the whole time despite all the problems. EDIT: Apparently the visual novel has the same plot holes as the anime. This story is missing the beginning and ending so there isn't really any way to make sense of it. We don't know where/when/how Setsuna (protagonist) was born and we don't know what happens after this anime ends now that Setsuna and Rinne are presumably working on a way to save the world from becoming another winter island. We also don't know why the world resets and plays out exactly the same way every time. Either the VN developers were lazy or they planned to make a sequel that explains these things. EDIT2: Nevermind, some of these things ARE explained in the visual novel. See the post further down. |
5layerSep 16, 2018 1:55 PM
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| Well it was an okay series I guess There are still many questions and plot holes but this is what you get when messing with time and also what do you except from an anime In this episode it felt like they just rushed things like they always did it would have been better if they took more time explaining things but anyways the ending was quite unexceptable A solid 6 anime in my opinion |
SailorJenny95 said: I second what someone up there said. Can someone please put a consise explanation of the series? I think I understand most of it but the world reset thing threw me for a loop. The other thing I’m not getting was who is that other Setsuna that MC Setsuna found on the other island? They never resolved that did they? They literally resolved it in this chapter. Setsuna (edit: the dead one) is the son of Rinne's adoptive father and his woman. It appears that it was shameful giving birth to a man in one of the three families so they tried to hide him. At the same time, since the real Kuon became infertile they forced NI Rinne to give her daughter (Setsuna's daughter/I Rinne) to them so they could say they had a daughter. Ironically, the one thing Rinne asked (please name her after me) was supposed to be a tradiction in the three families so... wasted oportunity NI Rinne to ask for a raise. |
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| Why did the other Setsuna look nearly identical? Were they trying to throw us through a loop of guessing how he got there? |
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| The biggest disappointment of the season. |
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dasprn said: the time travel shenanigans made this way harder to follow. Perhaps due to poor writing, but it was pretty difficult to completely follow. At least for me.When you truly wish for that most precious moment of your life to be lived again, even time delivers it if you wait and hope. So the legendary SetsunaxRinne pair finally sync up after two retry at the world reset? Damn that's some mind boggling plot. If they had just introduced the Never Island Arc as a memory then it would have been all perfect but still having twice the reset seems good enough to empower enough feelings, it still leaves big plotholes with the age gap between the two (when they both had twice reset?) while discarding the time leap machine theory. |
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| So Kuon was Rinne after all (was quite obvious after last weeks episode). To think Setsuna almost had a relationship with his own daughter is quite the mind fuck. The wedding at the end was nice. So the series finally wraps it all up and I have to say, I am glad it ended. Overall it was very confusing at the beginning with the whole time traveling aspect. I just had no idea what was going on. The last few episodes really cleared it up but in the end the damage was already done. Confusing story, pacing could have been better. Animation and soundtrack was pretty good imo. 5/10 |
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| Uh. I mean, we know history is cyclical, but somehow human civilization gets nearly wiped out by an ice age, then proceeds to repeat itself more or less identically? I guess this might've been an attempt at a gotcha-moment since everyone thought there was actual time travel involved rather than just some kind of magically convenient cryostasis, but either way it comes off pretty silly. |
| So, a cheap time reset with nothing important really explained. ...just as Erased, to be honest. |
| Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
| So there was no time travel and history repeated itself. Oh well, don't care. At least we got a happy ending with Setsuna and Kuon(Rinne) getting married. |
BestJo said: If you pay attention during the wedding scenes, behind the tree on the right there is Sara, the one from the past with big oppai. Now wtf is going on, is just an easter egg or something else? I need an answerrr |
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BestJo said: BestJo said: If you pay attention during the wedding scenes, behind the tree on the right there is Sara, the one from the past with big oppai. Now wtf is going on, is just an easter egg or something else? I need an answerrr It´s Sarah Garlando´s mother Maria Garlando (code name: Arima Uran). She survived the fire on the old shrine. 5layer said: EDIT: Apparently the visual novel has the same plot holes as the anime. This story is missing the beginning and ending so there isn't really any way to make sense of it. We don't know where/when/how Setsuna (protagonist) was born and we don't know what happens after this anime ends now that Setsuna and Rinne are presumably working on a way to save the world from becoming another winter island. We also don't know why the world resets and plays out exactly the same way every time. Either the VN developers were lazy or they planned to make a sequel that explains these things. The visual novel explains the origins of Setsuna (where/when/how), Setsuna was not trying to rescue Island, but Never Island. The visual novel also explains why the world resets. Read on your own risk these spoilers or additional informations |
CyanwasserstoffSep 16, 2018 1:53 PM
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| Man that was totally a buzz kill! there was no time travel and the whole thing was on a single timeline? Such a Time we wasted thinking about timelines, loops or even "enter-connect hybrid loops" to explain the story. (yea that's actually a thing!) To be short, gonna give it 8/10 just to compensate some of you guy's generous ratings because generally the show wasn't that bad. I just kind of sad that we didn't get any explanation about the story as whole. |
John_MaxSep 16, 2018 1:34 PM
| "I am your father" HECK YEAH I was waiting for this last episode The idea of the world resetting makes me want a sequel which solves this problem even though it's as legitimate as it's going to get. (Look at the Incas, Mayas, Azteks, etc) I hope this visual novel gets a release on a platform I own (as I'm unable to get Steam to work) |
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| sad for my waifu rinne tf! setsuna should just make it harem rip still a good ending tho but poor rinne ;_; |
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Cyanwasserstoff said: 5layer said: EDIT: Apparently the visual novel has the same plot holes as the anime. This story is missing the beginning and ending so there isn't really any way to make sense of it. We don't know where/when/how Setsuna (protagonist) was born and we don't know what happens after this anime ends now that Setsuna and Rinne are presumably working on a way to save the world from becoming another winter island. We also don't know why the world resets and plays out exactly the same way every time. Either the VN developers were lazy or they planned to make a sequel that explains these things. The visual novel explains the origins of Setsuna (where/when/how), Setsuna was not trying to rescue Island, but Never Island. The visual novel also explains why the world resets. Read on your own risk these spoilers or additional informations Thanks for clearing that up. I must have come across some misinformation from people who didn't fully complete the VN. It's a shame this anime adaptation totally botched it. |
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5layer said: Thanks for clearing that up. I must have come across some misinformation from people who didn't fully complete the VN. It's a shame this anime adaptation totally botched it. If you have any question about the original story of the Visual Novel Island, I will try to answer them. The anime adaption did change a lot, left many things out and also changed the true ending. I did enjoy the anime, too (maybe because I read the Visual Novel before). I do consider the anime as alternative world/parallel world to the world of the Visual Novel Island. |
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| Well, the show has now come to an end and it certainly has been an interesting ride. The final episode did end on a strong note with the slightly unexpected plot twist about the time travel theory being blown apart here. Plus, the reunion between Setsuna and NI Rinne was sweet. That, along with the consistently strong animation and soundtrack from feel, made the show pretty fun, but thanks to the confusing story and pacing all over the place at times, it felt like the show wasted its potential. I'll be generous by giving it a 6/10. I still like it, but it still could've been better. =/ |
| I must say, it was a very satisfying ending, but I would have liked NI to be longer to see more of the relationship between Setsuna and future Rinne, because I like them as a couple and I'm glad they had a happy ending but we saw very little of that Rinne compared to the present one which we followed most of the series, so that this one got the worst part it kind of sucked. Overall, the series felt rushed, especially the NI arc, and there's a lot of things I'd like to have answered, but it always knew how to keep me entertained with pretty likable characters and an interesting plot. Now, if the machine is not a time machine but only serves to sleep, how is it that Setsuna and Rinne appear automatically and do not have to be awakened? What happened to the present Setsuna, who according to the flashback is the true son of the Oharas? Why from one of the books fell a piece of paper that said he had to die? Why wasn't he living in the house? What about the cave? Who built all that? When? Because it works in the past when Rinne sleeps 5 years and is still active when the protagonists leave NI in the future. Also, in which machine does Kuon sleep? In the one where Setsuna woke up? How does it still work? And finally, what is the age difference between Setsuna and Kuon in the present, Kuon must have 37 but Setsuna? :P |
SkyLETVJan 27, 2019 11:47 PM
| I was perfectly happy with the emotional core of this finale - the relationship between Rinne and Setsuna has been the driving force of the show, and revealing Kuon as the Never Island Rinne and having them reconcile was a fine emotional conclusion - but the whole thing about it not being time travel but more cryostasis really threw me for a loop. Looking at it in terms of the events of the narrative, it largely makes sense and explains quite a few niggling questions I had, but even ignoring the insane implausibility of the world resetting and repeating in such perfect fashion, this also raised more questions than it answered, not least of which being the role of the other Setsuna who died on the deserted island off of Urashima. On the whole, this show was decent enough but made a few questionable decisions along the way that unfortunately hinder it quite significantly. 6/10 |
| As confusing as the show was overall, I enjoyed it quite a bit. Even after reading the VN ending and comparing it with what we got here. Whilst the science-mixed-with-lore of it all was a bit convoluted, it's not like we haven't seen other types of time travelling mechanisms before (and some of them even worse explained than this one). Enjoyed the journey well enough, and love both OP and ED songs quite a bit. |
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| I didn't play the game but I liked this ending, the show needed quite lots of episodes to get going but it was worth the wait in the end. |
| I do not believe this show earned this ending... Its plot was too hastily handled and paced, and spent too much time playing with ideas and concepts that attempted to build up a mystery which was altogether irrelevant to the actual endgame story. Or, at the very least, it was so compressed due to a lack of the necessary time to actually develop any of it, that it fell utterly flat, to me, in the end. And that’s just too bad. |
~ sXeblues - Reviews on Youtube ~ |
| I have mixed feelings regarding this show. At times it was bland and hard to stay focussed, but there were also many charming moments and some interesting aspects to the story, nice music too. And eventually a satisfying conclusion, guess that's enough to remember this as a rather nice anime. 5/10 |
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