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Sep 7, 2018 2:02 AM
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JUIZ DE FORA, Brazil (Reuters) - The leading candidate in Brazil’s presidential election is in serious but stable condition after being stabbed by an assailant at a campaign rally on Thursday, doctors said, pushing an already chaotic campaign into further disarray.

Far-right firebrand Congressman Jair Bolsonaro, a controversial figure who has enraged many Brazilians for years with divisive comments, but has a devout following among conservative voters, could take two months to fully recover and will spend at least a week in the hospital, said Dr. Luiz Henrique Borsato, who operated on the candidate.

“His internal wounds were grave and put the patient’s life at risk,” Borsato said, adding that a serious challenge now would be preventing an infection that could be caused by the perforation of Bolsonaro’s intestines.

The attack on Bolsonaro, 63, is a dramatic twist in what was already Brazil’s most unpredictable election since the country’s return to democracy three decades ago. Corruption investigations have jailed scores of powerful businessmen and politicians in recent years, and alienated infuriated voters.

There were fears that violence could flare across Brazil on Friday, as the nation celebrates its Independence Day and political groups are expected to march in hundreds of cities. Bolsonaro’s rival candidates called off their campaign activities for Friday.

ELECTION IMPACT

Under Brazilian campaign laws, Bolsonaro’s tiny coalition has almost no campaign time on government-regulated candidate ad blocs on TV and radio. That means he relies deeply on social media and raucous rallies around the country to drum up support. If Bolsonaro is not able to go out in the streets, it could jeopardize his campaign.

But Flavio Bolsonaro, the candidate’s son, said early Friday outside the hospital where his father was treated that he was conscious and the attack was a political boost.

“I just want to send a message to the thugs who tried to ruin the life of a family man, a guy who is the hope for millions of Brazilians: You just elected him president. He will win in the first round,” said Flavio Bolsonaro.

Bolsonaro, a retired Army captain, is running as the law-and-order candidate and positioned himself as the anti-politician despite having spent nearly three decades in Congress where he has managed to author just a few laws.

He has long espoused taking a radical stance on public security in Brazil, which according to United Nations statistics has more homicides than any other country.

Bolsonaro, whose trademark pose at rallies is a “guns up” gesture with both hands to make them resemble pistols, says he would encourage police to kill suspected drug gang members and other armed criminals with abandon.

He has openly praised Brazil’s military dictatorship and in the past said it should have killed more people.

In casting his vote on the floor of Congress for the 2016 impeachment of former President Dilma Rousseff, he dedicated his ballot to the military regime figure who oversaw the prison where Rousseff was jailed for three years and brutally tortured.

Bolsonaro faces trial before the Supreme Court for speech that prosecutors said incited hate and rape. He has called the charges politically motivated.

Political violence is rampant in Brazil at the local level.

For instance, in the months before 2016 city council elections in Baixada Fluminense, a hardscrabble region the size of Denmark that surrounds Rio de Janeiro, at least 13 politicians or candidates were murdered before ballots were cast.

Earlier this year, Marielle Franco, a Rio city councilwoman who was an outspoken critic of police violence against slum residents, was assassinated.

But violence against national political figures, even in the extremely heated political climate that has engulfed Brazil in recent years, is rare.

SUSPECT CAUGHT

The Federal Police said in a statement that it had officers escorting Bolsonaro at the time of the knife attack and the “aggressor” was caught in the act. It said the circumstances were being investigated.

Local police in Juiz de Fora confirmed to Reuters that the suspect, Adelio Bispo de Oliveira, 40, was in custody and that he appeared to be mentally disturbed.

Oliveira was affiliated with the leftwing Socialism and Liberty Party from 2007 to 2014, the party said in a written statement, in which it repudiated the violence.

Police video taken at a precinct and aired by TV Globo showed Oliveira telling police that he had been ordered by God to carry out the attack.

“We do not know if it was politically motivated,” said Corporal Vitor Albuquerque, a spokesman for the local police.

TV images showed Bolsonaro being carried on someone’s shoulders in the middle of a crushing crowd of cheering supporters on one of the city’s main streets when a knife was seen raised above heads just before it plunged into the candidate’s body.

The pictures show Bolsonaro screaming in pain, then falling backward into the arms of those around him. It took a few moments for the crowd to realize what occurred, but they quickly rushed the candidate out of the street.

A few people gathered outside the hospital where Bolsonaro was treated Thursday night where the scene was calm.

Bolsonaro’s rivals in the race expressed outrage at the attack.

Fernando Haddad, who will likely be the leftist Workers Party presidential candidate, said the stabbing was a “shame” and a “horror.”

President Michel Temer and Bolsonaro’s electoral rivals Ciro Gomes, Marina Silva, and Geraldo Alckmin all expressed disdain of the violence.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-election-bolsonaro/brazil-far-right-candidate-bolsonaro-in-serious-condition-after-stabbing-idUSKCN1LM2YJ

Hopefully he loses the election or drops out. If he were to win it would cost many lives unless he becomes incapable of ruling in such an event.
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Jesus man this world is crazy, hope he gets better and won the elections.

What a comeback would it be.
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Some notes:

>Bolsonaro always wears a vest, but the one day that he doesnt he gets stabbed
>no blood on the knife, okay a little bit on the very tip if you freeze-frame it
>despite the absolute madness that was the scenario, the guy that stabbed him was arrested a few minutes later
>attended the same gun club as Bolsonaro

And that photo that was released some time ago, doctors without gloves, and he isn't even using an oxygen mask, despite his intestines and liver being punctured.

Though this is Brazil, his main rival is in jail for corruption and ineligible to be on the ballot.

Also he used to praise Hugo Chavez lol
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=https://veja.abril.com.br/politica/bolsonaro-defende-hugo-chavez-em-entrevista-de-1999/&prev=search


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I think poorly about using "right" and "left" in politics outside economics and outside of historic context to describe the political assembly in France after the French Revolution.

That being said, this is not the proper way to do things if the state is based on law and justice. Even if the stabbed candidate recovers and wins, if the balance of power works properly, then there is nothing to fear, regardless which candidate wins.
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i got no sympathy on a dictator, Duterte is becoming one too here
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I think this is going to impact positively for his campaign, he will comeback as a surviving hero, I won't vote on him but he already was the #1 in charts and will only grow from now on.
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he's definitely going to win now lmao.
any brazilians here that can tell me more about this guy?

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Ag526 said:
Some notes:

>Bolsonaro always wears a vest, but the one day that he doesnt he gets stabbed
>no blood on the knife, okay a little bit on the very tip if you freeze-frame it
>despite the absolute madness that was the scenario, the guy that stabbed him was arrested a few minutes later
>attended the same gun club as Bolsonaro

And that photo that was released some time ago, doctors without gloves, and he isn't even using an oxygen mask, despite his intestines and liver being punctured.

Though this is Brazil, his main rival is in jail for corruption and ineligible to be on the ballot.

Also he used to praise Hugo Chavez lol
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=https://veja.abril.com.br/politica/bolsonaro-defende-hugo-chavez-em-entrevista-de-1999/&prev=search




Then the assassination attempt may have been staged. If that's true, then it's one of the craziest ways to get elected.


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Ag526 said:
Some notes:

>Bolsonaro always wears a vest, but the one day that he doesnt he gets stabbed
>no blood on the knife, okay a little bit on the very tip if you freeze-frame it
>despite the absolute madness that was the scenario, the guy that stabbed him was arrested a few minutes later
>attended the same gun club as Bolsonaro

And that photo that was released some time ago, doctors without gloves, and he isn't even using an oxygen mask, despite his intestines and liver being punctured.

Though this is Brazil, his main rival is in jail for corruption and ineligible to be on the ballot.

Also he used to praise Hugo Chavez lol
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=https://veja.abril.com.br/politica/bolsonaro-defende-hugo-chavez-em-entrevista-de-1999/&prev=search



So you're saying you think it was staged to get him more votes?

Noboru said:
I think poorly about using "right" and "left" in politics outside economics and outside of historic context to describe the political assembly in France after the French Revolution.

That being said, this is not the proper way to do things if the state is based on law and justice. Even if the stabbed candidate recovers and wins, if the balance of power works properly, then there is nothing to fear, regardless which candidate wins.

You can attribute left and right with various things but it does cause some confusion at times because a person can have mixed views from both sides.

I don't know how it is there but I have doubts how many safety nets they have set up when it was in a dictatorship not too long in past. It takes time to think them up and implement them.

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I think this is going to impact positively for his campaign, he will comeback as a surviving hero, I won't vote on him but he already was the #1 in charts and will only grow from now on.

So you're from Brazil I take it. Is he as bad as English news sources make him out to be?
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I want to stab a commie now, if the lefties want war, they should have it.
Civil war NOW.
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I don't have any sympathy for Far-Right Nationalists, so this is fine. Dude is in love with the idea of a totalitarian society and a dictatorship.



He's not even a nationalist, he's a zionist cuck, plus he sucks american balls and has a bit of relationship with freemasonry.
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Oh too bad so sad the fashy got bashied
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traed said:


So you're saying you think it was staged to get him more votes?
The stabber is said to be a far-left lula supporter, who also cheers for Maduro [northern brazil has a massive refugee problem], ortega and são paulo forum policies, ANTIFA member, it happening before the brazilian independence day as well as after the national museum tragedy (had a leftist director put by an leftist ex-mayor [Brazilians on the Internet are mad that a niche LGBT museum got fire protection funds but not the one that was the former imperal palace and had 20 million artifacts]) puts the conservative and nationalist voters in a very particular situation, hostilities between left and right increases, with lula in jail running in name of haddad, American-styled and israel loving bolsonaro is positively affected by the attack.
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So you're from Brazil I take it. Is he as bad as English news sources make him out to be?

He has shown to be racist, homophobic and through all his long carrer as a politician has done little to nothing, he doesn't have support inside the House of the Representatives, to me looks like he wants to govern for the riches and the people who already have their own business and he probably will do nothing to decrease the social gap.

With all that looks like makes no sense why he is the one who is leading the polls (former president Lula is actually the leader, but he isn't eligible because he was sentenced to prison and on the scenarios where people can't vote for Lula is Bolsonaro who takes the lead) but with all that bullshit that we witnessed in the recent years with corruption, Bolsonaro became an option because he has never been envolved in any fiasco of this in almost 30 years as a politician and also he is someone who wants to fight against violence, which is something that scares our people a lot (I was threatened by a knife this year lol), so is not a big of a surprise what happened with him this week, just a reflection of a violent small piece of society.

Another thing that I am against and he wants to do is the legalization for carrying guns, I understand that shouldn't be easy to get a gun because of the price of the gun, psychologic tests, training, but this a crazy country and I don't believe that the fiscalization will be efficient enough and maybe will make the violence get even stronger.
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I was already tired of Brazilian left shit, but this was the last straw. I actually didn´t even wanted to vote, but this guy is the only one different from the others. People hate him because he speaks his thoughts freely and several truths. Almost no one listen the voice of reason here, in this country. Fucking squid was able to brainwash millions in more than 30 years. Now we have a nation mostly of retards that can´t even take properly care of our own history and culture. Retards that rather leave them crumble and burn.

I want to have free speech again. People say right wing is the worst about such stuff, but I realized it´s not like that. Left wing is the worst when it comes to "tolerance" and justice. Every single one I know is like a rabid dog when we try to speak about a different point of view from them.

Anyway... I really hope he gets better soon. And may the stabber rot in jail... Oh, wait. This is Brazil. Then, may he rot in some slum.
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I don't have any sympathy for Far-Right Nationalists, so this is fine. Dude is in love with the idea of a totalitarian society and a dictatorship.

Hurr I don't agree with you so it's okay if I almost kill you Durr


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I want to stab a commie now, if the lefties want war, they should have it.
Civil war NOW.

Fascists lose every war lol


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He has shown to be racist, homophobic and through all his long carrer as a politician has done little to nothing, he doesn't have support inside the House of the Representatives, to me looks like he wants to govern for the riches and the people who already have their own business and he probably will do nothing to decrease the social gap.

With all that looks like makes no sense why he is the one who is leading the polls (former president Lula is actually the leader, but he isn't eligible because he was sentenced to prison and on the scenarios where people can't vote for Lula is Bolsonaro who takes the lead) but with all that bullshit that we witnessed in the recent years with corruption, Bolsonaro became an option because he has never been envolved in any fiasco of this in almost 30 years as a politician and also he is someone who wants to fight against violence, which is something that scares our people a lot (I was threatened by a knife this year lol), so is not a big of a surprise what happened with him this week, just a reflection of a violent small piece of society.

Another thing that I am against and he wants to do is the legalization for carrying guns, I understand that shouldn't be easy to get a gun because of the price of the gun, psychologic tests, training, but this a crazy country and I don't believe that the fiscalization will be efficient enough and maybe will make the violence get even stronger.

Well I more meant his dictator and tyrant tendencies. But yeah sounds shitty.

Too bad it was a stabbing and not just hacking his social media but this seems to not be totally political but a mental break out on him.
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Brazil is going to stay a shithole if they keep voting in the same people every time. I mean the competitor is in jail and they STILL vote for him. I'd say it's about time they vote something new in. Whether it'll change anything for the better remains to be seen. I see all sorts of mixed opinions on this guy online. Lots of positive and lots of negative. Hopefully the positive ones are right.
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Well I more meant his dictator and tyrant tendencies. But yeah sounds shitty.

Too bad it was a stabbing and not just hacking his social media but this seems to not be totally political but a mental break out on him.

I totally don't believe that he will became a dictator or something, his vice-president looks to have a more strong mentality about this, but I don't think that something like the army taking control will happen again, a lot of the things that Jair Bolsonaro says are controversial, he isn't against democracy, but in his opinion some things in that time was better than right now, I disagree with some of the things that he says about the period of military dictatorship, but in some points I believe he is right.

If he wins will be interesting, he would become the 2nd right wing president of Brazil post-military dictatorship, you know what happened with the first? Impeachment due to corruption. The history of this country is great lmao. I don't even know who to vote for, all of the candidates look terrible options.
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You can attribute left and right with various things but it does cause some confusion at times because a person can have mixed views from both sides.
Left and Right are more often than not misnomers. Most EU governments are actually leaning to the right, even if some are regarded as centrists or left. But the dulling of the people doesn't make many people realize what "left" and "right" actually means in a political context and instead, they only use those words as buzzwords. Also, you are right that people can have mixed views and it changes the economic axis. Balanced views would be in the middle, but even so, the governments are more right than they want to admit. Over here, we only have one single left party, which is more on the center-left, while in the UK, a "national" party is actually slightly left to the center.


I don't know how it is there but I have doubts how many safety nets they have set up when it was in a dictatorship not too long in past. It takes time to think them up and implement them.
And this is a reminder why democracy - another buzzword, which has become bloated with functionality - alone doesn't guarantee anything.
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Bolsonaro is without a doubt the most the most popular politician (active) in Brazil, he often labels himself as a liberal conservative, and fortunatelly he has changed a lot over the past few years. And in fact workships the PSL (Social Liberal Party) instead of his Christian party. And that's what the true meaning of Liberalism. I don't know why people keep labeling him as a facist. I've been supporting him for all this time since he was the best, or least-worst cadidate, although his beliefs aren't consistent at all. So the best option is without a doubt João Amoedo, since he actually cares about the country, not about gays and religion.

Anyways, that's surely an unfortunate event.


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Hopefully he loses the election or drops out. If he were to win it would cost many lives unless he becomes incapable of ruling in such an event.
Excluding Amoedo, any other politician would take Brazil into a shithole (again).

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Brazil is going to stay a shithole if they keep voting in the same people every time. I mean the competitor is in jail and they STILL vote for him. I'd say it's about time they vote something new in. Whether it'll change anything for the better remains to be seen. I see all sorts of mixed opinions on this guy online. Lots of positive and lots of negative. Hopefully the positive ones are right.
Yes, but fortunatelly Brazil's justive overcome sit after so many years, Lula is now sentenced, for 12 years. Lula and his PT (workers party) wanted to stablish Bolivarianism in Brazil, yeah you heard it right, they want the system that Maduro and Chavez implemented in their country. And it's depressing to see that many people still support the Workers Party, there are even still advertisements on TV proposing him, I've heard he will have to pay fines for that, and hopefully that should be done. I've also heard that he has 50% of supporters, and if he gets out, well, I don't know what else could happen to Brazil, it will be the end. Bolsonaro has 18%, but I'm not sure yet. Not to mention that the former president was impeached, and guess what, she was a politcal partner of Lula and his party, the most corrupt party of the history.

The left are bunch of facists, done and done.
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FashyBrazilian88 said:
I want to stab a commie now, if the lefties want war, they should have it.
Civil war NOW.

Fascists lose every war lol



Spanish Civil War was won by spanish fascists, retarted.
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Fascists lose every war lol



Spanish Civil War was won by spanish fascists, retarted.

I wasn't talking about civil war but made the point of how dysfunctional command is under fascists. Also they won that civil war because of backing by the CEO of Texico and from infighting among the Republicans. They didn't win because they were fascists.

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Bolsonaro is without a doubt the most the most popular politician (active) in Brazil, he often labels himself as a liberal conservative, and fortunatelly he has changed a lot over the past few years. And in fact workships the PSL (Social Liberal Party) instead of his Christian party. And that's what the true meaning of Liberalism. I don't know why people keep labeling him as a facist. I've been supporting him for all this time since he was the best, or least-worst cadidate, although his beliefs aren't consistent at all. So the best option is without a doubt João Amoedo, since he actually cares about the country, not about gays and religion.

Anyways, that's surely an unfortunate event.

Is there any English source that lists all Bolsonaro's policies? So João Amoedo is more focused on economy? Or is there more than that?


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traed said:
You can attribute left and right with various things but it does cause some confusion at times because a person can have mixed views from both sides.
Left and Right are more often than not misnomers. Most EU governments are actually leaning to the right, even if some are regarded as centrists or left. But the dulling of the people doesn't make many people realize what "left" and "right" actually means in a political context and instead, they only use those words as buzzwords. Also, you are right that people can have mixed views and it changes the economic axis. Balanced views would be in the middle, but even so, the governments are more right than they want to admit. Over here, we only have one single left party, which is more on the center-left, while in the UK, a "national" party is actually slightly left to the center.


I don't know how it is there but I have doubts how many safety nets they have set up when it was in a dictatorship not too long in past. It takes time to think them up and implement them.
And this is a reminder why democracy - another buzzword, which has become bloated with functionality - alone doesn't guarantee anything.


Politiscales isn't that accurate though. It mixes economic policy and other policies with left and right and some make it go up and down. A person who holds extremes at both sides isn't a moderate centrist but will wind up in the centre area.
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Fascists lose every war lol



Spanish Civil War was won by spanish fascists, retarted.

You set my trolldar off.
Also retarted LOL
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Spanish Civil War was won by spanish fascists, retarted.

You set my trolldar off.
Also retarted LOL

> literally labels himself a "fascist" in his username and expects that he won't get shit
sounds fishy to me m8
then again according to the alt right I'm an evil globalist part jew commie who aims to kill white babies and eliminate the white race
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contrarychild said:

You set my trolldar off.
Also retarted LOL

> literally labels himself a "fascist" in his username and expects that he won't get shit
sounds fishy to me m8
then again according to the alt right I'm an evil globalist part jew commie who aims to kill white babies and eliminate the white race

Brazilians aren't even considered as white, by stormfaggots
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nicethings said:

> literally labels himself a "fascist" in his username and expects that he won't get shit
sounds fishy to me m8
then again according to the alt right I'm an evil globalist part jew commie who aims to kill white babies and eliminate the white race

Brazilians aren't even considered as white, by stormfaggots


You are incorrectly conflating National Socialism and Fascism.
There was a weird thread a while back about Brazilian wamen buying white mans sperm for babies or something.
Like confusing Zionism and Illuminati.
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I don't know why people keep labeling him as a facist.

Quite simple tbh, they don't even know what a fascist mean, they just know is bad so they throw this word when they have no argument to try to defame the person who has an opinion adverse to them.
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I was already tired of Brazilian left shit, but this was the last straw. I actually didn´t even wanted to vote, but this guy is the only one different from the others. People hate him because he speaks his thoughts freely and several truths. Almost no one listen the voice of reason here, in this country. Fucking squid was able to brainwash millions in more than 30 years. Now we have a nation mostly of retards that can´t even take properly care of our own history and culture. Retards that rather leave them crumble and burn.

I want to have free speech again. People say right wing is the worst about such stuff, but I realized it´s not like that. Left wing is the worst when it comes to "tolerance" and justice. Every single one I know is like a rabid dog when we try to speak about a different point of view from them.

Anyway... I really hope he gets better soon. And may the stabber rot in jail... Oh, wait. This is Brazil. Then, may he rot in some slum.


Except it wasn't an organized political attack he had mental issues and did that on his own.

You sound like you have been spending too much time online.
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Politiscales isn't that accurate though. It mixes economic policy and other policies with left and right and some make it go up and down. A person who holds extremes at both sides isn't a moderate centrist but will wind up in the centre area.
Very well done at figuring out the weakness of political tests and the categorizing of political positions! :)

With that being said, do you have any updates on this story?
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Politiscales isn't that accurate though. It mixes economic policy and other policies with left and right and some make it go up and down. A person who holds extremes at both sides isn't a moderate centrist but will wind up in the centre area.
Very well done at figuring out the weakness of political tests and the categorizing of political positions! :)

With that being said, do you have any updates on this story?


It does work a lot of the time though but not always.

He lost two litres of blood and is doing okay. They expect he would win the first round and lose the second in the elections.

The guy that stabbed him was said by his family to be mentally off and they had lost contact with him.
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@traed There are none. Still, I can classify some of their Policies.

Bolsonaro; wants a huge millitay and public safety. He's also pro privatization.
He's often too radical when the case is criminality.
Drugs: Against
Abortion:Against
LGBT rights: He's too fishy and inconsistent when the theme is LGBT people.
Gun control: Against.

Amoedo: wants a less intrusive gorverment overall. Privatization, less-regulations, less taxes etc.
Focusing only in education, health-care and public security. He also see vouchers as an option for education and health care.
Drugs: For
Abortion: For
LGBT rights: For
Gun control: Against.

Of course there's much more than that, but I tried to summarize..
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@traed There are none. Still, I can classify some of their Policies.

Bolsonaro; wants a huge millitay and public safety. He's also pro privatization.
He's often too radical when the case is criminality.
Drugs: Against
Abortion:Against
LGBT rights: He's too fishy and inconsistent when the theme is LGBT people.
Gun control: Against.

Amoedo: wants a less intrusive gorverment overall. Privatization, less-regulations, less taxes etc.
Focusing only in education, health-care and public security. He also see vouchers as an option for education and health care.
Drugs: For
Abortion: For
LGBT rights: For
Gun control: Against.

Of course there's much more than that, but I tried to summarize..
So essentially the Brazilian equivalents of authoritarian-right Republican vs Libertarian?
Amoedo sounds like the best bet to me:
-Expanded gun rights allow people to protect themselves from criminal gangs
-Drug legalization hurts the gangs revenue-wise
-Smaller tax burden puts less people in crushing poverty and allows them not to have to turn to crime to survive
-Abortion keeps more criminals from being born into crushing poverty and allows rape victims of gangs to move on with their lives
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@traed There are none. Still, I can classify some of their Policies.

Bolsonaro; wants a huge millitay and public safety. He's also pro privatization.
He's often too radical when the case is criminality.
Drugs: Against
Abortion:Against
LGBT rights: He's too fishy and inconsistent when the theme is LGBT people.
Gun control: Against.

So he's Draconian? Or only a little harsh?

What do you mean fishy? He's secretly pro gay maybe gay himself or are you saying he sounds like he wants to heavily persecute LGBT so much he has to hide it? Or maybe he just isnt opinionated on it?

Amoedo: wants a less intrusive gorverment overall. Privatization, less-regulations, less taxes etc.
Focusing only in education, health-care and public security. He also see vouchers as an option for education and health care.
Drugs: For
Abortion: For
LGBT rights: For
Gun control: Against.

Of course there's much more than that, but I tried to summarize..

That guy sounds much better. Drug legalization worked pretty well in other South American countries.
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Jesus Chirst what the fuck is going on with Brazil lately!?
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Brazilian politics. President from 2003-2011 in prison (but still gets massive amounts of support for some reason...), president from 2011-2016 impeached, popular presidential candidate dies in a mysterious plane crash in 2014 and now this. And they say American politics are crazy.

Not at all surprised a guy like him would be so popular, the leftists running (or ruining...) the country for more than a decade absolutely fucked everything up, which is really sad when you consider how many analysts predicted Brazil to become a superpower.

It's "a bit" worrisome that he seems to be fond of the military dictatorship and has made some less than positive statements in various topics (f.e. "my children are too educated to date black people"). Although I'm not sure how much of it is true and what is just shit flinging from the mostly left-leaning media.
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@traed.
So he's Draconian? Or only a little harsh?

What do you mean fishy? He's secretly pro gay maybe gay himself or are you saying he sounds like he wants to heavily persecute LGBT so much he has to hide it? Or maybe he just isnt opinionated on it?
He definately is a little harsh. I don't know what "Draconian" means.

In the past, he used to say if he had a gay child he would beat him till become a "man". Yeah, he used to be like that a few years ago.
And the he starts acting like this


Quite similiar to what Trump has done.
He now a days mostly criticize the "gender ideology" and "gay kits" in schools, although that's a very confusing subject tbh.
And in my opinion, yeah, I believe he's a little homophobic. Although he assumes he used to have radical beliefs in the past.

That guy sounds much better. Drug legalization worked pretty well in other South American countries.
Drug legalization worked pretty well all over the world.

Lost_Viking said:
So essentially the Brazilian equivalents of authoritarian-right Republican vs Libertarian?
Amoedo sounds like the best bet to me:
-Expanded gun rights allow people to protect themselves from criminal gangs
-Drug legalization hurts the gangs revenue-wise
-Smaller tax burden puts less people in crushing poverty and allows them not to have to turn to crime to survive
-Abortion keeps more criminals from being born into crushing poverty and allows rape victims of gangs to move on with their lives
He definately is, but he's not very recognized and his party was founded in 2013. In fact his party name is literally "NEW" (NOVO).

We could say it that way, yeah. But in Brazi,l a Liberal is what you call a Libertarian in the U.S.
The problem is that in Brazil right-wing are scarce, specially Liberal/Libertarian ones, and Amoedo is the only one representing them.

Yeah, I agree with most things you said.
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@traed.
So he's Draconian? Or only a little harsh?

What do you mean fishy? He's secretly pro gay maybe gay himself or are you saying he sounds like he wants to heavily persecute LGBT so much he has to hide it? Or maybe he just isnt opinionated on it?
He definately is a little harsh. I don't know what "Draconian" means.

In the past, he used to say if he had a gay child he would beat him till become a "man". Yeah, he used to be like that a few years ago.
And the he starts acting like this


Quite similiar to what Trump has done.
He now a days mostly criticize the "gender ideology" and "gay kits" in schools, although that's a very confusing subject tbh.
And in my opinion, yeah, I believe he's a little homophobic. Although he assumes he used to have radical beliefs in the past.

That guy sounds much better. Drug legalization worked pretty well in other South American countries.
Drug legalization worked pretty well all over the world.


Draconianism means severe punishment for crimes. It's a reference to Athen's law of Draco. He sounds more than just a "little harsh".

So his views of gays maybe changed or he's just putting on a show? I can see how that would be confusing.

Yes but no other country went as far as Ecuador i believe it was if i recall right that legalized pretty much everything.
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Fidelium said:
@traed.
He definately is a little harsh. I don't know what "Draconian" means.

In the past, he used to say if he had a gay child he would beat him till become a "man". Yeah, he used to be like that a few years ago.
And the he starts acting like this


Quite similiar to what Trump has done.
He now a days mostly criticize the "gender ideology" and "gay kits" in schools, although that's a very confusing subject tbh.
And in my opinion, yeah, I believe he's a little homophobic. Although he assumes he used to have radical beliefs in the past.

Drug legalization worked pretty well all over the world.


Draconianism means severe punishment for crimes. It's a reference to Athen's law of Draco. He sounds more than just a "little harsh".

So his views of gays maybe changed or he's just putting on a show? I can see how that would be confusing.

Yes but no other country went as far as Ecuador i believe it was if i recall right that legalized pretty much everything.
Well he even used to have the say "A good thug is a dead thug", so yeah, I think that self-explains it.

I would say it changed over the time, even himself said he changed a lot. Yes it's confusing.

I'm sure no country has legalized all drugs, iirc the max they did was with cocaine.
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I hope that Bolsonaro to get better.
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I'll finally have pride of living in Brazil if Bolsonaro wins.
I can confirm that only corrupted people and perverts are against Bolsonaro right now.
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I'll finally have pride of living in Brazil if Bolsonaro wins.
I can confirm that only corrupted people and perverts are against Bolsonaro right now.

This is the words of someone with no argument.
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Is he that candidate who said those sexist things about women in Brazil ? If so, how can he win ? I see that the political landscape is pretty twisted in Brazil
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traed said:
KRKodama said:
I'll finally have pride of living in Brazil if Bolsonaro wins.
I can confirm that only corrupted people and perverts are against Bolsonaro right now.

This is the words of someone with no argument.

No, those are the words of someone who is living in Brazil and following the way how the election is progressing. I know what I'm talking about and you don't. This thread is filled with false information spread by left-wing presses. And it's obvious that people criticizing him here cannot understand Portuguese to watch the full videos of his interviews and speeches in the parliament to judge what he really said instead of just accepting twisted information made to wrongly accuse him of being homophobic, racist, sexist, fascist, etc. because no one can accuse him of being corrupt. That's why I didn't quote anyone's message in this thread to write what I wrote, and didn't mean to argue about anything because I know that that would be a completely pointless discussion. When I said "I can confirm that only corrupted people and perverts are against Bolsonaro right now", I was referring to people who are living in Brasil and know that the other candidate, called Haddad, who is a puppet of the ex-president Lula, who is in jail right now, has in the page 33 of his plan of government to reduce incarceration in Brazil through release of prisoners. Bolsonaro would have already won in the first turn of the election if it hadn't been rigged, which just shows how terribly corrupt is Brazil, that has been governed by Haddad's political party(PT) for over a decade.
I did not correct your mistakes in my last message because I didn't want to start a discussion, but since you started it, I'll do it now:
The title is wrong. He's not a "far-right" candidate, just right.
He has never changed his views on gays. He has never been against them, and even has gay friends. What he is against is the way how there are projects wanting to make schools show pornography that will just pervert innocent kids.
He makes himself perfectly clear here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROTjz4BqxvY
And he doesn't have any "dictator and tyrant tendencies". He is a honest politician who has a strong conviction against corruption and crimes. The government cares more for thieves, murderers, and rapers, than for the police that can't do its work because of ridiculous human rights.
It's because of scenes like this one that he's called a myth by many fans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeYK_63boEY
traed said:

That guy sounds much better. Drug legalization worked pretty well in other South American countries.

Absolutely nothing good comes from legalizing drugs.
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traed said:

This is the words of someone with no argument.

No, those are the words of someone who is living in Brazil and following the way how the election is progressing. I know what I'm talking about and you don't. This thread is filled with false information spread by left-wing presses. And it's obvious that people criticizing him here cannot understand Portuguese to watch the full videos of his interviews and speeches in the parliament to judge what he really said instead of just accepting twisted information made to wrongly accuse him of being homophobic, racist, sexist, fascist, etc. because no one can accuse him of being corrupt. That's why I didn't quote anyone's message in this thread to write what I wrote, and didn't mean to argue about anything because I know that that would be a completely pointless discussion. When I said "I can confirm that only corrupted people and perverts are against Bolsonaro right now", I was referring to people who are living in Brasil and know that the other candidate, called Haddad, who is a puppet of the ex-president Lula, who is in jail right now, has in the page 33 of his plan of government to reduce incarceration in Brazil through release of prisoners. Bolsonaro would have already won in the first turn of the election if it hadn't been rigged, which just shows how terribly corrupt is Brazil, that has been governed by Haddad's political party(PT) for over a decade.
I did not correct your mistakes in my last message because I didn't want to start a discussion, but since you started it, I'll do it now:
The title is wrong. He's not a "far-right" candidate, just right.
He has never changed his views on gays. He has never been against them, and even has gay friends. What he is against is the way how there are projects wanting to make schools show pornography that will just pervert innocent kids.
He makes himself perfectly clear here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROTjz4BqxvY
And he doesn't have any "dictator and tyrant tendencies". He is a honest politician who has a strong conviction against corruption and crimes. The government cares more for thieves, murderers, and rapers, than for the police that can't do its work because of ridiculous human rights.
It's because of scenes like this one that he's called a myth by many fans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeYK_63boEY
traed said:

That guy sounds much better. Drug legalization worked pretty well in other South American countries.

You should feel seriously ashamed for writing something like that. Absolutely nothing good comes from legalizing drugs.

I meant you literally didn't have an argument for him you just made a logical fallacy. You couldn't even say anything good about him you had to make things up about anyone against him.


It lowers drug abuse. You're just a Reactionary afraid of change.

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-when-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-2016-3
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I don't think you should be worried about someone who manages to fuck up what he says like this.
There are 48 million people who voted for me. You want me to take responsibility for them?, Sorry, but I'm the one who was stabbed. I'm a victim of what I preach
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Jesus man this world is crazy, hope he gets better and won the elections.

What a comeback would it be.


Sure, get better, but you don't want him winning the election. The guy is heavily associated with the pre-democratic dictatorship which "disappeared" a lot of people. He talks about that era as the Golden Age of Brazil. The guy isn't just right-wing he's a literal fascist who pines for the good old days of actual fascism.

To give you an idea why he was stabbed, imagine if some former Nazi SS officer ran for president of Germany about 20 years after WWII, and kept going on about taking germany back to the "glory days" of the Third Reich. you're damn right, someone would want to stab the guy.
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So what is Fascism anyway? I mean I hear ANTIFA getting called Fascists, I've heard Stalin and Trotsky being called Fascists, I've heard Trump getting called a Fascist for wanting to build a wall to stop Mexicans from going to Aztlan, which is literal Blood and Soil. I've heard Orban being called Fascist when his main opponents were Hungarians are motherfucking TURKS TURAN TURAN FSOLIDAIRTY FROM KORANIC TURKIC PEOPLES GREY WOLVES FOREVER, and so on...

All you're doing by calling literally everything in existence Fascist is normalizing it, 30's style Fascism is not gonna come back despite how much you wanna be the hero who saves the day.

Bolsonaro is just a low-iq retard who has a military fetish. He knows it even, he has been deliberately using medical excuses as a "strategy" for avoiding debates despite being safe and sound for interviews and public announcement. You should want him to win, the next 4 years will be so disastrous the Brazilian right will go farther into the closet than ever.

If he loses, however, you bet he will milk the right's pet conspiracy theories. Fraudulent machines, PT infiltration in every part of the State, foreign "communist" intervention, the lot. Fuck, in the propaganda time that just started, they actually implied that PT might make a communist coup and seconds afterwards pointed out it stayed 14 fucking years in power. They either don't see the glaring flaw in their own propaganda, or they know but are betting reactionaries won't notice. Which is a good bet actually. People will probably get to hear "marxismo cultural" uttered without a hint of irony on prime time TV soon.


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traed said:
KRKodama said:

No, those are the words of someone who is living in Brazil and following the way how the election is progressing. I know what I'm talking about and you don't. This thread is filled with false information spread by left-wing presses. And it's obvious that people criticizing him here cannot understand Portuguese to watch the full videos of his interviews and speeches in the parliament to judge what he really said instead of just accepting twisted information made to wrongly accuse him of being homophobic, racist, sexist, fascist, etc. because no one can accuse him of being corrupt. That's why I didn't quote anyone's message in this thread to write what I wrote, and didn't mean to argue about anything because I know that that would be a completely pointless discussion. When I said "I can confirm that only corrupted people and perverts are against Bolsonaro right now", I was referring to people who are living in Brasil and know that the other candidate, called Haddad, who is a puppet of the ex-president Lula, who is in jail right now, has in the page 33 of his plan of government to reduce incarceration in Brazil through release of prisoners. Bolsonaro would have already won in the first turn of the election if it hadn't been rigged, which just shows how terribly corrupt is Brazil, that has been governed by Haddad's political party(PT) for over a decade.
I did not correct your mistakes in my last message because I didn't want to start a discussion, but since you started it, I'll do it now:
The title is wrong. He's not a "far-right" candidate, just right.
He has never changed his views on gays. He has never been against them, and even has gay friends. What he is against is the way how there are projects wanting to make schools show pornography that will just pervert innocent kids.
He makes himself perfectly clear here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROTjz4BqxvY
And he doesn't have any "dictator and tyrant tendencies". He is a honest politician who has a strong conviction against corruption and crimes. The government cares more for thieves, murderers, and rapers, than for the police that can't do its work because of ridiculous human rights.
It's because of scenes like this one that he's called a myth by many fans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeYK_63boEY

You should feel seriously ashamed for writing something like that. Absolutely nothing good comes from legalizing drugs.

I meant you literally didn't have an argument for him you just made a logical fallacy. You couldn't even say anything good about him you had to make things up about anyone against him.


It lowers drug abuse. You're just a Reactionary afraid of change.

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-when-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-2016-3

Wow, after wasting your life writing 28130 posts in this site, is that the level of decency that you have now? I don't know why I still try to reason with people here. I really should take more care to stay as far away as possible from this forum.
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Brazil has always been a shithole, but it was my beloved shithole and I always defended it against people that criticized it from a distorted point of view. But I didn't know I was surrounded by a bunch of racists, homophobes, backward minded and dictatorship apologists that want a second coming of one of the worst eras this country had ever since at least the establishment of the Republic. I can only admire the people that are still fighting the good fight, be it on social-networking websites and apps or just day-to-day in the streets, trying to talk and rationalize with people that just know to spew bullshit and regurgitate lies, but I don't have any hope anymore. This place is doomed and I wish I could say that every one of this candidate's supporters will deserve the disgrace that will fall upon it, but unfortunately they aren't the ones that are going to suffer the most: the minorities, the poor, people of black ethnicity and the indigenous.

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