*SPOILERS* Honestly answer why you enjoyed episode 8?

Andri79 said:
AzorAhai
In a human perspective. We kill animals, eat their meat, even some people eat their brains, for example cow brains, using their skin as raw material for making jackets or bags. Is that a cruel thing? No, because it's normal.
In nazarick people perspective. They kill humans, make humans as objects of experiment. For example, killing Arche, making parts of her body for the benefit of Nazarick. Is that a cruel thing? No, because it's normal for them.
If I'm not mistaken, maruyama stated that the new world is like a jungle, and what is applicable is law of the jungle, where the strong is right and the weak is wrong.
In season 1, when a party traveling with Ainz and Narberal was killed by clementine. Is ainz sad? No, because they were weak. And when clementine was killed by ainz because she was also weak.
In new world, Ainz is peak of the food chain. In other words, he can't be harassed, he can only bother the other, strong means right.
If you judge what Ainz has done based on humanity, that is wrong. Ainz is not a human, everyone in Nazarick is not human. And if you consider everything that happens to workers is unfair. Come on, the world is always unfair.
Why do you just blame ainz? Why don't you blame his parents? Why don't you blame the baharuth empire? Simple, Ainz only carried out his role as an absolute ruler. Arche's parents only carry out their role as aristocrats who naturally want to be praised and respected by others. And emperor only carries out his duties utilizing Nazarick in the kingdom area by sending workers to plunder Nazarick. This will give the kingdom a powerful new enemy and the empire a powerful new ally. Simple... Everyone only carries out their respective roles, and that makes the world unfair to some people.

FeministSenpai said:

In human perspective if animal had human design, could speak like human and had intelligence like human, I am pretty much sure human wouldn't go that far and just become vegan. I doubt human would kill and eat animal even if the animal only could speak like human without having human design.

00784212 said:


Since the very start, Ainz is the invader. Ainz and Nazarick, are not native of NW
and from that:
- The workers are simply native aborigines sent to investigate an alien spaceship that's suddenly parked on their backyard
- Ainz and co have zero right to judge their motive
- Ainz is the one that orchestrated their intrusion, so "self defense" is not an excuse.

Ainz is an irredeemable jerk.


Pop Quiz!

who am I describing:

Magical girl that would do anything for her sister, becomes a hired thug despite knowing the risk. Impudently tries to desecrate the fortress of a supreme being from another world.


that Magical girl's companion, doing it for fun and profit


Supreme being from another world

Lease_of_Life said:


Again, the workers are in FOREIGN, ENEMY territory. The Tomb is not in Baharuth.

00784212 said:


those workers are foreign, Ainz and Nazarick is more foreign, he's a literal alien.

To make it simple, Arche is wrong for being a prostitute, Ainz is more wrong for being an antisocial mass murderer (also a liar, scammer, animal abuser, tax evader, and a whiner)

again, he got no right to comment or judge.

Andri79 said:


What you say is only from a human perspective. Even though humans have intelligence and can speak, the Nazarick still regard them as livestock.
Maybe what I say is inappropriate. But, we are discussing about Overlord.

00784212 said:



What separate between livestock and pet, are levels of sentience. The lowest would be simple indication of will, while the highest proofs of sentience, is the ability to engage in subjective communication.
Ainz and his diehard fans ignores that because Ainz just want to abuse small animal.

Regarding your other point. Ainz is a self-proclaimed overlord but treats his potential subject as livestock. See how incoherent that sentence is? Its because Ainz is just a wannabe, a poser, a fake, and you know it because its what this crap titled "overlord" is about: "pretending to be an overlord"

Grey-Zone said:

Quit trolling already. Your entire account was created for Overlord bashing and you can't even have a single post without resorting to logical fallacies.

00784212 said:


More fallacy: "tis a bash" "troll" "fake account"


fal·la·cy ˈfaləsē/Submit
a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument.


My belief is Ainz is an unrepentant sociopathic genocidal moron, read my previous post for the arguments.

Your belief is Ainz is not what I said, and your argument was:
- I'm biased = Ad hominem
- my account is fake = strawman
- I just want to bash = attacking the motive
- Ainz is just following demiurge plan = ad ignorantum
- Ainz is not the invader, he didn't know how he get there = ad ignorantum
- Ainz is just doing some self-defense = false dilemma
- Ainz is kind if its to nazarick, and said nazarick = circular whatever fallacy.

Pot calling a kettle black much?

duhu1148 said:
It's painful that you don't seem recognize the irony here.

00784212 said:
More fallacy: "tis a bash" "troll" "fake account"


fal·la·cy ˈfaləsē/Submit
a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument.


My belief is Ainz is an unrepentant sociopathic genocidal moron, read my previous post for the arguments.

00784212 said:
- I'm biased = Ad hominem
- my account is fake = strawman
- I just want to bash = attacking the motive
- Ainz is just following demiurge plan = ad ignorantum
- Ainz is not the invader, he didn't know how he get there = ad ignorantum
- Ainz is just doing some self-defense = false dilemma
- Ainz is kind if its to nazarick, and said nazarick = circular whatever fallacy.

Grey-Zone said:

- no one is unbiased
- I never said it's fake, just that most if not all posts of this account of yours are about bashing Overlord
- based on your actions/track record, NOT based on speculations of your inner thought process

Grey-Zone said:


- he knows demi-urge's plans and even complains about it and has no reason to lie about it. What's your point?


You are really bad at this.

Grey-Zone said:

- he has no way of "not being an invader" other than complete isolation or suicide
- you cannot apply meta knowledge that only omniscient reader knows to the characters's actions, that's just idiotic
- what are you even talking about? You don't even seem to believe your own words with that lazy response

00784212 said:

Since the very start, Ainz is the invader. Ainz and Nazarick, are not native of NW
and from that:
- The workers are simply native aborigines sent to investigate an alien spaceship that's suddenly parked on their backyard
- Ainz and co have zero right to judge their motive
- Ainz is the one that orchestrated their intrusion, so "self defense" is not an excuse.

Ainz is an irredeemable jerk.

Grey-Zone said:
^He talks about the content of the plan right then and there. You are confusing the timeframes it seems.
Forgot the flashback in S3 EP6 where Demi-Urge starts to explain his plan to Ainz? And how Ainz (as Momon) thinks about the merits of the plan and says "it's already too late to stop it?" That happens before the Worker battle in S3 EP8.
The scene in S3 EP9 in regards to discussing Momon's role in the plan, was about the aftermath, I guess Demi-Urge explanation only went up until gaining control over E-Rantel.
But in regards to the Worker situation, Ainz was already informed, you just seemed to have forgotten.

And the "invader issue" was, of course from the perspective of the natives (the framework you were using the whole time), not an omniscient objective outside observer. From an omniscient perspective Nazarick is not an invader but a stranded entity. Obviously it would make no sense for the natives to think of that and they'd also be unlikely to believe that, even if Ainz explained his situation, so to them Nazarick is an invader the moment they are aware of their existence.

But the cruicial difference between Nazarick and the Workers is agency. The Workers had a choice to invade or to take a different job instead. Arche could have abandoned her parents much earlier instead of always procrastinating her and her sister's leaving the family. Nazarick however was just thrown into the new world. And when they were checking their situation they were attacked by an unknown attacker who has a super weapon that might be a threat to nazarick. Who knows when they'll attack again?

That aside, I don't think Ainz is "judging" the motives of the Workers in terms of morality in the first place. He even said that them lying about his friends was for their own survival, but it still makes him angry anyway because the milk was already spilt. He himself said that he's a hypocrite back when he killed Clementine though, so what is your point here?

00784212 said:

Ainz is an irredeemable jerk.

Grey-Zone said:

^He talks about the content of the plan right then and there. You are confusing the timeframes it seems.
Forgot the flashback in S3 EP6 where Demi-Urge starts to explain his plan to Ainz? And how Ainz (as Momon) thinks about the merits of the plan and says "it's already too late to stop it?" That happens before the Worker battle in S3 EP8.
The scene in S3 EP9 in regards to discussing Momon's role in the plan, was about the aftermath, I guess Demi-Urge explanation only went up until gaining control over E-Rantel.
But in regards to the Worker situation, Ainz was already informed, you just seemed to have forgotten.

Grey-Zone said:

And the "invader issue" was, of course from the perspective of the natives (the framework you were using the whole time), not an omniscient objective outside observer. From an omniscient perspective Nazarick is not an invader but a stranded entity. Obviously it would make no sense for the natives to think of that and they'd also be unlikely to believe that, even if Ainz explained his situation, so to them Nazarick is an invader the moment they are aware of their existence.

Grey-Zone said:
But the cruicial difference between Nazarick and the Workers is agency. The Workers had a choice to invade or to take a different job instead. Arche could have abandoned her parents much earlier instead of always procrastinating her and her sister's leaving the family. Nazarick however was just thrown into the new world. And when they were checking their situation they were attacked by an unknown attacker who has a super weapon that might be a threat to nazarick. Who knows when they'll attack again?

Grey-Zone said:

If, instead, your point is that he is an "irredeemable jerk" just by existing and preserving his life to the best of his own knowledge and skills, then I won't have anything more to say to that. I won't say anything about you having that opinion, as that is largely just equivalent with "taking sides" with the natives.

Grey-Zone said:

- he knows demi-urge's plans and even complains about it and has no reason to lie about it. What's your point?

Grey-Zone said:

Ainz has no "alternative" than being invader as he doesn't know how to leave and he acts in self-defense against those who already acted against him, who seem to have a dangerous super weapon (i.e. world-level item) back when he was only trying to understand his situation. And most importantly, he DOESN'T KNOW THEIR IDENTITY, unlike us omniscient readers, he doesn't even know that it's the theocracy.

Andri79 said:


I speak based on facts. I think I have made an argument clearly, based on 2 perspectives and what has been stated by maruyama.

Grey-Zone said:

Ainz isn't "evil for the lulz", he is just following Demi-Urge's plan. And he is very territorial about Nazarick and shows his wrath towards those who show bad intentions towards Nazarick as a whole, like those who want to rob the tomb. Everything consistent with Ainz's character. You saw what happens when Ainz gets just "a bit displeased" back when he dealt with Clementine, but this time you saw him get angry not only about the thieves' invasions and theft attempt but also about the thieves lying about his friends.

Nothing for the lulz here.

Grey-Zone said:

And "Demi-Urge possibly controlling Ainz"? That was just your delusion. Demi-Urge was always loyal, you see it not only at the very beginning of the series, like his expression being full of reverence, but there is also that super shocked face moment when he heard Ainz say "maybe world conquest wouldn't be bad" - and all of Demi-Urge's actions were based on these words, which you probably forgot (no need to feel bad about it though, since Ainz forgot as well). There's also the fact that Demi-Urge often wags his tail like a dog, when he expects Ainz to tell him whether he did a good job or not.

Grey-Zone said:

and all of Demi-Urge's actions were based on these words, which you probably forgot

Grey-Zone said:

Demi-Urge was always loyal,

Grey-Zone said:

Everything consistent with Ainz's character.

Elinchayiel said:


Aintz didnt know what Demiurge's plan in season 2 was until he met up with him near the finale. That's just one example showing that Demiurge is the one really in control, and not Aintz. Another example is him not knowing about the Demiurge's human farm where he got his ''parchment'' for the scrolls from.

First can be excused as being outplayed, but the second is clearly ignorance. Which shouldn't happen. How did Aintz gain all that power in Yggdrassil? It seems like he was really just carried to the top by his guild, and didnt actually achieve much on his own at all.

It's interesting as I've started watching Isekai Maou today, and while setting-wise and fanservice wise its not written as well, the MC actually feels a top gamer, showing his knowledge of the ''game mechanics'' and clever thinking in general.
Aintz should also have these qualities with his background, yet after season 1 he never really displays them. In stark contrast to season 1 where you can tell from both the Shaltear fight and the fight against the knights in the village that he is capable of clever thinking.

What happend to that?


While I don't disagree that their arguments aren't great, from my perspective I can say the same about yours. Altho in your defense, yours are still a lot better then most of the other posters here, who feel the need to defend Overlords flaws and claim they dont exist.

That doesn't change that there's some critical flaws with the writing (of the anime, I cant comment on the source material) and that it just went downhill after season 1.





That's not true. He was the one that made sure those adventurers would go to the catacomb after all. He's definately the aggressor there, just like Demiurge and cocytus were in season 2.

On top of that, one can argue that the way he goes about taking over the world is incredibly stupid considering he doesn't know anything about his opposition; the world item you are talking about. I would make a lot more sense to find out where they are rather then painting a big target on himself.

After all nothing he actually does in any of the 3 seasons helps him gain any more (relevant) power to defend his crew. So all it does is make him more vulnerable to attack.

Which makes the whole ''he's just defending himself!'' a worthless argument.


Didn't I already point out several times that what's not true can't be a fact?



What I mean to say with ''evil for the lulz'' as I explained it in previous posts already: Aintz is doing evil evil things just because ''he is evil so he should do really horrible things right??'' not because of his character, or excellent plot reasons.

It's ''evil for the sake of evil'' or ''evil for the lulz'' which means the same thing.
Also, Aintz didnt even know about the plan untill finale of season 2. Shows that its really Demiurge's plan, and not his.



Dropped the act, I see? So much for courtesy.

I already pointed out earlier in this thread (or the other one, I forgot) that it was a possible plot thread that they didn't pursue, and which seems unlikely at this point.

How can something I speculated purely theoretically about, be my delussion? Perhaps you should bother to read my posts in their entirety, and try to understand my arguments. It does not give your arguments credibility when you use an argument that makes utterly no sense based on what I've already said...


That's what he himself says, which you apparently didnt notice. I watched all of the anime in one go, so its much harder for me to forget details then I imagine it is for you. When did you last watch season 1?
Since it was Demiurge who acted that way, obviously if he was trying to control events naturally he would aim to sell that as his reason for world conquest.

You are trying to claim it cant be by reverse reasoning, explaining the actions based on what happens. Instead of trying to reason why these characters acted the way they did, you are simply saying: ''this is what they said and did, therefor they must be like that''.

That only works with works that are completed. And since my theory was based solely off season 1 and season 2 (having already mentioned in an earlier post to someone else that its highly unlikely the author will pursue this plot thread) it doesn't add up either.


Demiurge was actually going to countermand his order if he wasn't stopped, during the Shaltear fight. Shows how one-dimensional his loyalty is. He's more loyal to his ''programming'' then the wish of his Lord. This makes him the sort of character that's extremely likely to act as he wishes, because he believes he knows whats best for Aintz better then Aintz himself does.

So certainly him trying to control Aintz into an overlord that's more similar to what he believes Aintz should be like was quite a viable possibility.

Ofcourse all this theory is based on the magic that controls Aintz emotions. And no, a glowing effect that activates at certain times to ''douse'' Aintz feelings is not an Undead racial passive, because this is clearly not a passive effect.



This keeps being said but I still havent seen any real argument desputing that his character...isn't really there anymore. With the constant changing from ''human salaryman'' personality to ''evil evil for the lulz'' at seemingly random and not properly explained moments he seems more like a psychopath then a human player in an undead body, or an evil overlord.

With all the power he has his random fits of rage like the one in the arena make zero sense.

Rage is a natural response to feeling powerless. I can't imagine Aintz in his current state ever feeling that. He has absolute defense, a perfect body that knows no pain or illness, absolute attack power, and he can ressurect whoever he wants. Why the hell would he get upset about a mention of his friends?

Which makes even less sense since the more he gets into his evil overlord role the less he should care about the other world (and his previous friends). Because you know, evil undead overlords dont care.

Despite the world and series as a whole being less well written Isekai Maou has a far more believable MC. Aintz just isn't a believable character anymore after season 1, and the reason for that is purely because the author pandered to sadist fetishes instead of their previous well written characterisation.

AzorAhai said:
They were doing their job. They got tortured and killed for no good reason. What was there to enjoy?

00784212 said:


Btw, I'm not stopping you from taking sides with an irredeemable jerk. We are all, at some point does, after all.

EDIT:
You kind of remind me of my old self so I don't want to pointlessly ruin your day.
So, here's reasonable alternative, and that would come from your own "overload" theory.

Why would someone want to "overload" Satoru in the first place? If he made enemies, its safe to assume that he's not your average innocent bystander.
Probably the author intended him to be like Alex Mercer, an anarchist from the beginning, then plot twist, Satoru was actually dead and Ainz just using his memory as a base to start his life, and Ainz is an actual sentient virtual entity (like from 'permutation city')

As to why he's acting like an actual salaryman, 2ch theory: YGGDRASIL is some kind of personality reprogramming experiment, Satoru and his guild mate was actually a deathrow inmate with him being the most irredeemable one.
Combine it with yours, "Overload", is the code to execute his death sentence. Cool huh?

But still with that, Ainz is an irredeemable jerk :p

From an omniscient perspective Nazarick is not an invader but a stranded entity. Obviously it would make no sense for the natives to think of that and they'd also be unlikely to believe that, even if Ainz explained his situation, so to them Nazarick is an invader the moment they are aware of their existence.

But the cruicial difference between Nazarick and the Workers is agency. The Workers had a choice to invade or to take a different job instead.

Arche could have abandoned her parents much earlier instead of always procrastinating her and her sister's leaving the family.

Nazarick however was just thrown into the new world. And when they were checking their situation they were attacked by an unknown attacker who has a super weapon that might be a threat to nazarick. Who knows when they'll attack again?

That aside, I don't think Ainz is "judging" the motives of the Workers in terms of morality in the first place. He even said that them lying about his friends was for their own survival, but it still makes him angry anyway because the milk was already spilt. He himself said that he's a hypocrite back when he killed Clementine though, so what is your point here?

AzorAhai said:
hmm, bloodthirsty aliens crash-land on another planet and they (majority) views the natives as subhumans/subspecies, with only few (yet to be discovered in anime) strong enough to posses a threat and stop them from playing Gods. Unless I'm one of these aliens, i don't know why i'd see them as mere survivalists! But it seems like you want to portray them not simply as survivalists but also as near-saints who have to sacrifice some for the "greater good" of the world they "invaded unintentionally".

This changes what? He still kills them in thousands. Does this somehow make it better compared to if he wanted to kill everybody with his heart? I'd say his indifference makes him unpredictable thus way more dangerous threat thus people can't be blamed for wanting him gone, despite the fact that when engaging humans in conversation he's not cliched "evil-looking/sounding villain". Why was this necessary to discuss anyway? To justify a murderer? again? It's like when in our world serial killers get lighter penalties because they're insane or whatever. Who cares? Murder is murder - "to the eclectic chair with you!"

Are you seriously saying all this to justify how adventurers were tricked and baited in a slaughterhouse? Can't you think of any alternative ways about how to make your Nation known to the world other than bating another country into sending their people into your own?

This reminds me of one scene from certain movie where half the population is massacred and the rest is left alone. There was a guy there chanting how this is mercy and the sacrifices are made for the well-being of the half that remains. This really just makes you sound like a fanatic who stand there looking at the smoldering ruins of a civilization, chanting how all this was done for people to live happily ever after.
something that i've realized only after a certain person told me that Demiurge planned all that in LN, making me to realize that the slaughterfest had a purpose, but it also reveals that the said slaugterfest was staged, thus what? I should still blame adventurers for invading and justify their deaths? are you serious? It's like justifying U.S invasion of Iraq and deaths of thousands. U.S invaded telling the world Iraq had WMDs (weapons of mass destruction); it turned out Iraq had none, but at least they removed a Tyrant right? Should I justify the slaughterfest that ensued during the invasion as it resulted "for the best" of the nation, which it didn't by the way since till this day Iraq is destabilized and under constant attack by ISIS or various mercenaries.

Are you saying that "Means justify the end"?

lol, ever heard of Lebensraum? ("'Lebensraum' Between 1921 and 1925 Adolf Hitler developed the belief that Germany required Lebensraum ('living space') in order to survive). Saying that there wasn't an alternative when Nazarick is composed of God level creatures is beyond ridiculous.
Lebensraum again? You know now that it's NOT the only way.
I fail to see the level of threat at least in the Anime. Up to this point there was the loli vampire incident, which resulted in loli vampire losing memory and that's not as troublesome as if someone managed to actually KILL HER, rather than to STUN her in order to escape most likely. The other was with the "evil eye" loli who barely managed to win vs one guardian and all thanks to her CONVENIENT anti-bug spell, without which she'd be dead. Up to this point saying that Nazarick is in grave danger is ridiculous. There is no clue suggesting that there is an opposition strong enough to put a dent in Nazarick's defenses. Something tells me there won't be any of REAL significance in the future as well.

AzorAhai said:
So they ARE invaders, but they also did not invade thus...what? They should do as they please? If ainz had explained they would still invade? That's your assumption that justifies the future atrocities, just like Nazis invading soviet union believing Russians would invade them anyway sooner or later. Again what is all this endless comments of yours leading to? For someone who has given 10/10 to anything Overlord related (anime/novel) and even has voice actor of Ainz as favorite, it's not surprising why you'd jump on protecting this "masterpiece". It's also interesting how you just jump in to a reply that i sent to someone else in the first place just to promote your agenda, and then decide to just ignore my post jumping to yet another different person to chant about the greatness of the show or the characters and their actions. Do you feel the need to protect this garbage so desperately? Not everyone is going to like this show, and you should at least try to understand the obvious instead of justifying EVERYTHING!
This is the stupidest excuse ever, and you're not the first one to come up with it. FIRST things first. They were to SNEAK into an enemy nation (I'm talking about the KINGDOM ONLY) and EXPLORE a tomb NOBODY KNEW was a "nation" of a "GOD". Once again, you're using invading a self proclaimed nation that SHOULDN'T HAVE EXISTED as an actual planned invasion! I'm pretty sure if workers knew the tomb was actually a "gateway into hel with godlike bosses and minionsl" they'd think more than twice before accepting a certain suicide!
Are you F-ing kidding me?! You're actually blaming a kind person for doing kindness and her inability to be stronger?! She was 15yo. Don't you have anything you regret doing in the past? Perhaps she did regret not doing anything sooner? Is it her fault for not being perfect since start? Are you seriously saying she should have chosen a different job so whatever happened the only person to blame is herself?! What is wrong with you? Are you so blind with fanboysm to such extent that you resort on glossing over the most undeniable atrocities of Nazarick and Ainz and portray them as "Justified!" while blaming the VICTIMS instead????

pathetic, simply pathetic. "Nazarick did nothing wrong" "nazarick was only defending" "nazarick had no choice" "nazarick is doing everything for the well-being of the world they unintentionally invaded" You'd be a fine servant of nazarick, loyal, brainwashed fanatic who's unable to distinguish between good and evil when it comes to the deeds of his faithful overlord...

So what? So ainz admits he's a hypocritical piece of shit, but since he admitted it - it makes him a "better" person? And you somehow feel the need to protect the perspective Ainz is seen by the viewers for some reason? Because he's your fav for some reason?

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P.S you still have to reply to my later post as well.

Ainz is a piece of shit and we love it ok? Ainz genocided a race of mole people to 1/10 of their original population just because they didn't submit to him when he asked the once. Ainz plunged the holy kingdom into chaos and came to to 'fix" the problem, causing everyone to love him. We know Ainz is a evil piece of shit but that is what is nice about him. Idk what you are arguing about, the evil is what makes Overlord fucking amazing.

AzorAhai said:
I'm fine with people loving someTHING like Ainz ok? I'm not a "villain hater". This thread's purpose was to find out why can one find joy seeing senseless slaughter, torture and abuse - simply because it was done by the hand of their favorite character? Do they watch the show for abuse, torture and injustice? There are websites dedicated to those things, do you really want an anime version of this? really? I couldn't understand why would someone cheer for an OP villain and his OP soldiers doing atrocities with 0 opposition; i mean come on? There is basically no challenge! IT's like playing a strategy game with god mode cheats on; it's boring as hell! I can't understand how watching weaklings getting bashed over and over (while weaklings are also purposely given background for us to feel some empathy towards them) is anything but sadists wet dream?! There are better developed evil characters out there who aren't this plain boring and they don't need a fan base protecting their image of "is he/she a trash villain or a worthy villain?"
Ainz as a character was confusing to A LOT of people since he wasn't always EVIL and i'm already tired writing why i think so over and over again. The show wasn't always this stupidly simple, like watching forces of evil doing evil. I thought there was more than that, and i'm not the only one who felt cheated. It's like entering a perfectly fine, popular and promising night club with seemingly normal couples, only to later find yourself surrounded by gay/transsexual couples who then yell out loud "why did you even enter if you're not gay!"
The thing is I didn't expect people to straightway bash the victims in order to protect their evil idol. Justifying the evil and going as far as to blame their victims is disgusting and wrong; only shows how twisted minded people actually are. You can have a villain that goes on killing children and still love them as a character for their struggle, accomplishments and so on (more or less), but this thread turned into a court session where Ainz and his gang are portrayed as INNOCENT self preserving survivalists, while everyone else on the other side is but a "justified prey'' or guilty for EXISTING and guilty for making perfectly fine life choices like becoming an adventurer for example! To protect the said villain saying "he had no choice" or "it's the kids fault" is ridiculous and only shows how fanatical, narrow-minded and cruel the audience can be. You can easily make a religion out of this and I can already see the rows of prophets lining up... Like the villain as much as you want, but evil is evil and there is no justifying it.

Grey-Zone said:

I accept your concession. Since you can't provide a scenario of how a "better" person would have acted in Ainz's scenario without being outright stupid or suicidal, I take it as either you simply deciding to side with the Natives (nothing wrong about that), or perhaps that you are a troll, considering your entire post is a deflection of my argument, suddenly bringing in completely unrelated stuff.

The 2ch stuff is wrong because there is a scene that briefly shows Ainz in the real world in a normal apartment where he sits with his gear on. Then there's also the blu-ray special short-story novel Overlord: Prologue, which shows that his world is a dystopian society and that he really is a salaryman.

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Grey-Zone said:
^I couldn't care less about your personal preferences about world building and dystopian society fiction, escpacially if your arguments only rely on hyperboles.

Grey-Zone said:
You still didn't answer my question: "How could Ainz have done things differently without being stupid or suicidal or an unredeemable jerk?"

00784212 said:

That's not a preference, that was a statement.
Satoru Suzuki's Backstory is just a GARBAGE tier info dump
and I gave my arguments.

Whats your argument then? Don't just bark.


EZ PZ.
Doppelgangers.
(Ainz have Narberal, Pandora, and *spoiler* from LN, a legion of them)

Narberal can even fool the strongest adamantite ranked adventurer Blue Rose, and possibly all inhabitants ofl NW. If Ainz wasn't sure, he can simply do an experiment that is harmless, and low profile. He can even create "fake player" to takes the heat off him just in case "other player" does exist.

Ainz can simply use those doppelgangers to play the most elaborate Xanatos Gambit without a single bloodshed.

Especially true after LN vol.13. The weakest doppelganger can be used to fool an entire kingdom. And Ainz have an entire legion of these creatures. But he just had to use them for genocide instead, because he's an unrepentant sociopathic genocidal moron.

Back at you, "Ainz have no other choice but be genocidal" is just another petty excuse.

Grey-Zone said:

It's still a class system so even if 95% are uneducated, there would still be 5% who are very highly educated, more than enough to form a dev team and to have scientists. Escpacially in a sci-fi world over 100 years later.

Everything else was just your opinion on whether two dystopian societies cannot mix. They don't exist, neither does a mixed one, there are no references to compare to whatsoever.

Grey-Zone said:
As for doppelgangers? It would lose out the intial goal of "spreading the legend of Ainz Ooal Gown" to potentially find Ainz's guildmates. And even with puppet governments they'd still have to secretive because otherwise there would be no point, which again, makes the spreading of the name impossible. Also other than the few cases as Narberal and Pandora, most Doppelgangers are much weaker and could be targeted with brainwashing, unlike with an openly existing Sorcerer Kingdom where multiple stronger individuals can keep together and are almost impossible to be ambushed.

This plan has many drawbacks.

Ainz would still have to murderer potentially innocent leader-figures to replace them with Doppelgangers.

It would also be difficult to change the peoples' minds about monsters because they'd have no contact with them.

Also, what "threat", 13 volume and that moron still uses that "brainwashed shalltear" as a reason to be homicidal, what an irredeemable jerk.

AzorAhai said:
lol so i was right predicting no opposition would ever rise to threaten Ainz; and that ainz and his gang would continue to just slaughter whoever they please. So basically there are 13 volumes of "train without brakes smashing through the endless herd of sheep stranded on the railways" guess if that was a show it would be entertaining and somehow worth 10/10? Deadpool has more plot it seems. Also guess who's not going to read the LN? :)

P.S That fanboy is yet to respond to my own reply. I suppose he "chickened out" on that one or something...

ThatLamp said:
@00784212
Please, I mean no offence with this, but here is a question.

Why did you continue reading it if you disliked it so much?
Personaly, if I dont like the book I just finish it and move on...

00784212 said:


I liked it, now I like hating it.

And to further the question, why do you now hate it?
I personally like the novels, and I would like to see another point of view of why they dislike it

ThatLamp said:


And to further the question, why do you now hate it?
I personally like the novels, and I would like to see another point of view of why they dislike it

AzorAhai said:


Dude, the entire thread is like full of "why people hate this show" or episode 8 in general. Feel free to browse.

I personally began hating the anime (didn't read LN) because MC changed from "I'm only playing as an evil guy, but i'll try not to be actually evil" to "I'm evil, plain and simple". Also, the show provides no opposition to MC and his team who are insanely OP, thus making it incredibly boring, turning a promising plot into a garbage show where a super-soldier in a modern tank with infinite ammo and fuel steamrolls american Indians armed with bows and arrows! This kind of show might be interesting at the beginning, but as the guy states, there are freaking 13 volumes written and the tank hasn't encountered a single landmine or a "guy with an RPG", it just keeps on rolling just like that *snaps fingers*.

00784212 said:


Allright you're genuinely baffled. Sorry for the previous scoffs.

What this series promised was this



What we got is this


Now, am I entitled for not getting what's promised? I even spend money on this shit.

AzorAhai said:


Dude, the entire thread is like full of "why people hate this show" or episode 8 in general. Feel free to browse.

I personally began hating the anime (didn't read LN) because MC changed from "I'm only playing as an evil guy, but i'll try not to be actually evil" to "I'm evil, plain and simple". Also, the show provides no opposition to MC and his team who are insanely OP, thus making it incredibly boring, turning a promising plot into a garbage show where a super-soldier in a modern tank with infinite ammo and fuel steamrolls american Indians armed with bows and arrows! This kind of show might be interesting at the beginning, but as the guy states, there are freaking 13 volumes written and the tank hasn't encountered a single landmine or a "guy with an RPG", it just keeps on rolling just like that *snaps fingers*.

Tobestik said:
That's the nice thing about Overlord, its a power fantasy. Its not boring if the people you squish are different Everytime. Ainz has squished people with religion, manipulation and raw power so far. I can't wait to see what will happen next. The guy is wrong in that there are no people who pose a threat to Nazarick though. There is the PDL and DDDL. The DDDL posses 2 world items that it got from killing players 300 years ago. As we know only the top players had world items, we can be sure that DDDL is pretty powerful. The PDL is also able to defeat the guardians. Here is an excerpt,http://overlordvolume10.blogspot.com/2017/09/bad-end-battle.html?m=1 He must have skimmed through the light novels to have missed so many details.

Darklight0303 said:


You do realize that's not really canon right? Same as the evileye story where she meets Ainz

Tobestik said:
Its not canon, but its true nonetheless. It just hasnt happened yet and may never happen but this proves my point about there being threats to Nazarick.

Darklight0303 said:


Except Shaltear IS growing as we saw during her management of the Quagoa. It's not the same Shaltear. IT won't happen. and no it doesn't. Hell the Darkness Dragon lord's power being darkness might not even work on Ainz/Undead and World Items are WORTHLESS when you have world items of your own to negate their effects on you.

Tobestik said:
Did you know the orb inside Ainz is a world item that is effective against dragons? The world item that DDDL has is not a regular world item, it is one use, who knows how broken it may be? We know that on of them "five elements overcoming" DID affect other world items holders. You can tell that the world item Ainz possesses is just waiting to be used against a dragonlord. I was trying to say that there are people that may pose a threat to Nazarick.

Tobestik said:
Did you know the orb inside Ainz is a world item that is effective against dragons? The world item that DDDL has is not a regular world item, it is one use, who knows how broken it may be? We know that on of them "five elements overcoming" DID affect other world items holders. You can tell that the world item Ainz possesses is just waiting to be used against a dragonlord. I was trying to say that there are people that may pose a threat to Nazarick.

ThatLamp said:


Actually my bad, its all from the light novel. "The highest-ranked Dragons were some of the strongest opponents in YGGDRASIL. It was very dangerous to move separately from the Guardians while they did not know the enemy’s strength. However, Ainz possessed a World-Class Item. It possessed many powers, and one of them was very effective against Dragons. Therefore, even in the worst-case scenario, he ought to be able to escape it. - Volume 11 Chapter 5. Ainz world item that is effective isnt from the web novel. DDDL isnt from the light novel as well.