High Guardian Spice - Crunchyroll Controversy

CondemneDio said:
If they went about this another way, they would've been okay.
But since they decided to make the whole thing an identity politics issue, they got people riled up.
Big mistake, and one that could leave its mark.

Bernrika said:


Eh, I don't think so. The anime community loves to rage at anything remotely western, just look how people reacted at Netflix's investing in anime, even though literally nothing changed and we got a fairly unique shows (Devilman) and a bunch of shows no one seems to care.

ClickBaitBuster said:
This is the Anime Discussion board, we don't discuss cartoons here.

GlennMagusHarvey said:

but anime series are cartoons too [/bait]

-Placeholder- said:
Crunchyroll embodies everything wrong with the West, and it's not why I watch Japanese media. I wouldn't support CR if you paid me double everything I gave to them.

Pullman said:
God save us all, do we really need another thread that's just gonna turn into a platform where anti-SJWs circlejerk about how the evil agenda of diversity will ruin everyone's lifes and hobbies and the majority of the rest just parroting what they say because that's the cool way to react to anything more progressive than stoning homosexuals these days?

Ideally sprinkled with some 'muh propaganda, muh censorship, muh freedom of expression, but HOW DARE THEY CREATE A SHOW WITH WHOSE VALUES I DISAGREE THEY SHOULD BE BANNED AND EXILED FOR THAT CRIME AGAINST MY PERSONAL POLITICAL STANCE' arguments.

Remember, it's only propaganda if you disagree with it, otherwise it's not even political. Selective perception is such a useful tool for hypocrites.

No thanks. Not gonna do this all over again. Everything about this topic has been said in the other threads already, and I bet not a single new perspective, new thought, new opinion will be found in this thread that hasn't already been uttered a million times in the other threads. This thread is basically just to make sure the shitstorm keeps going and things don't calm down and rational thought actually takes over. Not sure if intentional by OP, but that is the only effect it will have.

CondemneDio said:

Now that's just a bit melodramatic.

-Placeholder- said:



Hardly. Meritocracy is a fundamental aspect to the functioning of Western society, and what does is CR embody that idea that equality of outcome trumps meritocracy.

Pullman said:
God save us all, do we really need another thread that's just gonna turn into a platform where anti-SJWs circlejerk about how the evil agenda of diversity will ruin everyone's lifes and hobbies and the majority of the rest just parroting what they say because that's the cool way to react to anything more progressive than stoning homosexuals these days?

Ideally sprinkled with some 'muh propaganda, muh censorship, muh freedom of expression, but HOW DARE THEY CREATE A SHOW WITH WHOSE VALUES I DISAGREE THEY SHOULD BE BANNED AND EXILED FOR THAT CRIME AGAINST MY PERSONAL POLITICAL STANCE' arguments.

Remember, it's only propaganda if you disagree with it, otherwise it's not even political. Selective perception is such a useful tool for hypocrites.

No thanks. Not gonna do this all over again. Everything about this topic has been said in the other threads already, and I bet not a single new perspective, new thought, new opinion will be found in this thread that hasn't already been uttered a million times in the other threads. This thread is basically just to make sure the shitstorm keeps going and things don't calm down and rational thought actually takes over. Not sure if intentional by OP, but that is the only effect it will have.

Pullman said:


Remember, it's only propaganda if you disagree with it, otherwise it's not even political.

CondemneDio said:
Not quite. Rather than being about equality, it's about getting as many females to work on the show.
Still, you're being ridiculously dramatic over a streaming service.

hazecloud said:
And another witch hunt! Yay. Wait, I thought we burned down this house already. What's left to burn?

-Placeholder- said:



You don't understand what propaganda is. Propaganda is anything which is trying to force you to believe a certain political viewpoint. No, it's not hypocritical to be pro-free speech and still want entertainment media free from propaganda. I have had enough of Western media forcing diversity in to everything, and the last thing I want is a business that is supposed to exist to support the current Japanese anime industry creating more Western pro-diversity propaganda.



Hardly. Meritocracy is a fundamental aspect to the functioning of Western society, and what does is CR embody that idea that equality of outcome trumps meritocracy.

ClickBaitBuster said:
This is the Anime Discussion board, we don't discuss cartoons here.

anniechrist said:
See we have GIRL CHARACTER, GIRL CHARACTER #2, FAT GIRL CHARACTER, and LESBIAN. This is diversity and these voices need to be heard, no other studio makes good animation, we're gonna fix that.

Heimur said:
We have already 2D animations in the west, we already have anime that touch transgender issues like Wandering Son, lesbians are common currency nowdays and we have already female writers and all female teams like Clamp.

Don't see anything to support this when they decided to make it political instead of showing what the show it's about.

ComfyRize said:


Bad goy, we are entering a new age of anime with this avant-garde glass-breaking masterpiece in the making.

Pullman said:


How fucking mentall weak can you be if you feel a 1,5 minute concept trailer is forcing you to do, think or feel anything? Seriously, people are just projecting their insecurities over something challenging their values into this whole 'propaganda' narrative. It's pitiful to watch.

The truth is that by definition propaganda needs to be a systematic, organised attempt to manipulate the public opinion. If you could proof that some organization like the democratic party is financing every show that promotes diversity, that would be propaganda. Individual, random people all over the globe believing in the same values and, if they are in the media or entertainment industry, wanting to write or talk about them, can never be propaganda no matter how much you disagree with their political stance. Even if a bunch of them form a Studio together to make an anime. It's still just entertainment that, like any entertainment, includes some of the values of their creators. In this case in a much more transparent way than in most other works, I might add.

Creators put their personal values in their work and like it or not, a lot of people, a lot of content creators simply want to put progressive values in their works because they believe in them. Being against that is being for censorship of ideas, whether you can see that or not, and calling creators doing what they believe in 'propaganda' is just a really pathetic way of trying to undermine the legitimacy of people holding these values, as if there was just one evil organization brainwashing people and forcing them to spread those values.

No, there is no conspiracy, to evil manipulative organization behind everything. It might scare you and your anti-SJW friends to think of this as something that isn't just easily blamed on one entity with a manipulative agenda, but the reality is that there are millions of people who on their own concluded that they like and prefer progressive values and everyone of them has just as much of a right to express themselves and their values in animation or any other medium as every other creator. They even have a right to express them more explicitly than others if they choose to do so. That changes nothing about the principle at play here, which is freedom of expression.

The really ironic thing is that these projects that announce being about diversity (or anything, really) from the start are actually the farthest away from actual manipulative propaganda. They say loudly and clearly what they are about, there is no manipulation, no hidden agenda, it's all in the open from the start and people can decide very early on whether they are even interested to keep up with it in any capacity.

On the other hand until just recently there was not much diversity in most movies or series and it is documented how often white people were cast over other actors just to keep everything as white as possible even if it didn't fit the setting or role. That's obviously just as much of a political statement as promoting diversity if you go out of your way to keep everything white and to exclude non-white people from a lot of stories. Except it's not being openly said 'we promote whites above others' or anything like that. Hollywood isn't stupid. It's more of a hidden, subtle agenda that played out behind the scenes but wasn't exactly advertised to the public. That sounds a lot more likely to qualify as some sort of propaganda than creators basically screaming at you exactly what values they are gonna push before the show is even created so even the most retarded blockhead won't be unknowingly manipulated into anything.

In conclusion:

1. It's not 'forcing' diversity into anything if the creators just happen to want to promote it out of their own belief in it. It being present a lot these days doesn't mean it's being 'forced' into things, it just means a lot of people care about diversity, period. Or do you see every work in the history of art that doesn't have diversity as 'forcing diversity out of everything'? Exactly. Just deal with the fact that there's a LOT of people who independently like diversity and feel like it's worth promoting, and not just a FEW who force their values onto all those others like you seem to have deluded yourself into thinking based on the vocabulary you use.

2. Propganda can't 'force' you to do anything, so your definition is wrong. What it can do is try to manipulate you, subtly and passively influence your views. Ideally without you even noticing. At least good propaganda does.
Which is literally the opposite of what a concept trailer like the one in question is trying to do. That trailer is all about letting the world know what their plan is, plain and simple. Would you and your anti-SJW friends really have approved of the show not announcing its intentions and just pushing diversity passively? Of course not, because to you the topic of diversity is just generally rejected and all this whining about the nature of the trailer is just cosmetics. No matter how they do it, you would react the same. In the end there is simply no way to create a show that promotes diversity or other values you personally don't like, that wouldn't deeply offend and enrage you and your friends. You just don't want shows like that to exist, period. Am I Wrong?
Just admit it has nothing to do with being framed as propaganda or not, you just hate the idea of seeing diversity being promoted in ANY way in ANY media by ANYONE.

-Placeholder- said:
People do not pay crunchyroll to for them to disseminate their political viewpoints.

Bernrika said:

You pay crunchyroll to get anime subbed. You are getting anim subbed.

What they do with their business is their business, not mine or yours. What's with people acting like they own private companies? Do you also have the same attitude with your supermarket?

-Placeholder- said:


If a supermarket did the same thing and started only hiring women, I would do the same thing in criticising it and boycotting it.

Bernrika said:
So now it's about hiring? Keeping moving that goal post. Did they even change their hiring politics anyway?

And for what matters, are you getting less subs from crunchryoll? Because that's what you are paying for.

-Placeholder- said:


Yes, one of my main criticisms is their 100% women hiring policy. And no, people don't just subscribe to get access to anime. They subscribe for a broad array of subjective reasons. And I assume most of those reasons aren't to help fund a political agenda that they more than likely disagree with. What are you so persistent about criticising my criticism?

those reasons aren't to help fund a political agenda that they more than likely disagree with.

What are you so persistent about criticising my criticism?

Bernrika said:

You seem to have a problem understanding how money transitions work.

They offer a service. You buy that service. What they do with those money is their business. Are you still getting the original service you paid for?

Do you also have a habit of telling people what they should do with "your" money when you pay them?


Who is this "they"? Why the staff of Crunchyroll, using their own money, should care about this? Should they ring you every time they want to make a decision? What if they want to use those money to "Politicize" something you agree with?


Because they do't make any sense. Don't be mad just because you can't create anything.

-Placeholder- said:


Do it being a private business mean that I have no right to criticise them? No.

Are your criticisms of me irreverent and a waste of my time to respond to? Yes.

Bernrika said:

You have no right to tell them what to do with their money. In the end, you are just mad because they mad a "progressive" anime in your eyes. If the made an alt right wet dream (whatever that is), you would support their freedom of speech and expression.