| Depends on the kind of discussion spot you're using. MAL seems to be relatively safe compared to "competitors". If we're exclusively talking content, I don't think you've got a whole lot to worry about. Japan's different from America or Canada in terms of population. If you're a dub watcher you may want to switch to subs because dubs will naturally be altered to reflect the culture of the countries they're being broadcasted in. Disclaimer: I'm an overseas viewer (outside of North-America). Therefore consider me a somewhat neutral party. |
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| @GlennMagusHarvey I really appreciate your ability to debate people without attacking them personally, its quite commendable given the typical flame wars I've gotten into. Anyway I accept that some people have a genuine indifference to this, but as someone that has been part of communities (again comics and gaming) where entryism by feminists is explicitly trying to change the culture of the medium; I can't see this as just some Little Witch Academia clone with Steven Universe art style and themes. I guess time will tell if this succeeds financially I'm sure there will be more, but judging from the audience backlash... it seems like a case of get woke go broke. |
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Gorochu said: katsucats said: The anime community, unless you live in a coastal state, is mostly conservative. Anime push conservative values with quirky, bumbling females quite literally falling for incels with no distinguishing characteristic. Fanservice was designed to maintain a patriarchal outlook. It's not surprising that, even in Japan, anime fans lean conservative (according to a poll I once read, sorry don't have a link). Most people on MAL lean conservative. So rest assured, you're in the company of your own kind, and I don't say that kindly. :/ This. The anime community as a whole is conservative, against feminist,hate Muslims,support Hitler and Nazi etc. Left wing/liberal in anime community are in minority. CR is bad evidence since it's not actually Japanese. High Guardian is not anime,just another western cartoon. Ahh yes, as a once wise man said: "Hitler did nothing wrong." ;) |
AstZeroAug 26, 2018 1:20 PM
| The beauty of humans is that they say one thing then do another, but at the same time that can also be their ugliest side. |
| the anime community is accepting of all pieces of shit from every walk of life, because here your more likely to be bashed for your taste in anime more than your political ideals |
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rsc-pl said: I gotta say, it strikes me as rather odd that people say that anime isn't progressive when I see female characters running around doing amazing things and driving the story left and right in series after series. :PAnime is not infected with SJW garbage and LGBTQWERTYWTF/leftie "values" (yet), thankfully. That's probably one of the reasons why so many people loves it. I consider myself as conservative and I don't have any problems with reading yuri manga and watching ecchi stuff. It's a fiction. LoneWolf said: Thanks for the compliment, I guess; I've just never been a fan of people who shitpost barely-coherent insults. Alternatively maybe it's because I spend too much time on these internet arguments from being too patient...@GlennMagusHarvey I really appreciate your ability to debate people without attacking them personally, its quite commendable given the typical flame wars I've gotten into. Anyway I accept that some people have a genuine indifference to this, but as someone that has been part of communities (again comics and gaming) where entryism by feminists is explicitly trying to change the culture of the medium; I can't see this as just some Little Witch Academia clone with Steven Universe art style and themes. I guess time will tell if this succeeds financially I'm sure there will be more, but judging from the audience backlash... it seems like a case of get woke go broke. Anyway, I've never been into comics (not even manga, heh), so I don't know the comics fandom, but I've been a gamer since the NES days and I don't really see any sort of culture war problem over stuff, except for people who explicitly want to make a gigantic stink about it -- be it a bunch of poorly-worded attention-seeking comments on some 15-year-old's social media blog, or people presuming that every mention of "diversity" (or "feminism" or other terms) is part of an insidious ploy by said 15-year-old social media crusaders (who are somehow simultaneously both really stupid and also really deviously effective) and becoming 15-year-old counter-crusaders themselves (and at least just as annoying). "But these aren't attention-seeking blogposts from a 15-year-old! This is an actual animation studio!" Well, ideas and opinions about creative works are a dime a dozen among people, and we're all people. Many of us have had some sort of ideas for fanfics, expies, original characters and stories, etc. at some point in our lives, and many of them involve seeing more of something we like, exploring something we're curious about, doing something different in something we weren't satisfied with, or such. This includes political and non-political ideas, naturally -- not to mention that some ideas may be political to some people but non-political to others. We're not all gonna agree with each other in what we want to see in our creative works, and there's certainly no one who uniformly likes everything ever made. But none of what we do in the future changes the works that already exist from the past anyway. If you gave me my own animation studio and budget, I'd certainly have my own ideas about what to make (and I'm sure not everyone would be huge fans of my ideas either!). So basically this trailer is just some people expressing their creative vision for a thing. Many anime fans talk a lot about respecting creative vision by, say, sticking to subs, not translating/localizing/etc. this or that, standing against censorship, and so on. So, in my opinion, it stands to reason that we ought to let this creative process play out, and then critique it when it's done (if we want/care to), according to the same standards each of us individually hold everything else to (i.e. our tastes). And this holds regardless of whether we agree with said creative vision (or whether said trailer is kinda pointless, which it is in my opinion). No one's being forced to like it, or even watch it, except maybe exasperated youtubers whose fans want to see them wade into flamewars after this thing comes out. And it doesn't erase anything that came before it. I guess I can get some people's hesitation from the notion that "some annoying people are gonna join our club and ruin it", but presuming the entire fandom to be one big club is sort of a misunderstanding in the first place because these fandoms are already fuckhueg. |
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Ever_Onward said: Everything on the internet gets bashed.LaLeLuLiLo said: the anime community is accepting of all pieces of shit from every walk of life, because here your more likely to be bashed for your taste in anime more than your political ideals I get bashed for everything. Also, I love NTR. Except maybe bacon. |
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| I already watched this video when it first got uploaded. I see it like this: 30% of anime fans (in the West ofc) are left-leaning, tumblr loving, rainbow hair people and 30% are right-leaning, 4chan loving, redpilled motherfuckers. Those two groups don't usually intersect (other than that they both like traps ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°). The other 40% are people in the middle that just enjoy watching chinese cartoons and fighting over waifus, husbandos and best girls. |
| There are 2 types of anime watchers: 1) The SJW 2) The normal people If you don't care about what's between the legs of who created your Chinese cartoons, congratulations you're in the "normal people" group. There's no need to seperate "Conversatives" and "Liberals", they can both be in the "normal people" group. |
Ever_Onward said: LaLeLuLiLo said: the anime community is accepting of all pieces of shit from every walk of life, because here your more likely to be bashed for your taste in anime more than your political ideals I get bashed for everything. Also, I love NTR. |
AstZeroAug 26, 2018 3:49 PM
| The beauty of humans is that they say one thing then do another, but at the same time that can also be their ugliest side. |
| Japan is conservative country and most anime fans find their anime via the internet. Most anime fans I've met are pretty tolerant towards conservative ideas and prioritize freedom of speech and privacy above all else. Anybody who thinks High Guardian Spice's tumblr-ness is a demonstration of the anime community's political leanings is retarded. Crunchyroll itself is not primarily run by otaku, its run by out-of-touch business people. Dumb video. EDIT: High Guardian Spice isn't an anime. Its an American Steven-Universe clone. It doesn't even look like an anime. |
nicethings said: if you're enough of a whiny asshat to constantly talk about your politics and try and integrate them with anime in the first place, that's a problem and it's no wonder people don't like you ^ this people don't generally like having political conversations constantly unless its a fictional one. like debating between Zeon and The EDF. stories can carry messages, but generally heavy handed ones tend to be frowned on by most people. @Skankins i honestly don't get all the flack steven universe gets. especially when there are worse shows on Cartoon network. like that god awful uncle grandpa show or titans go. also i disagree that chruchyroll shouldn't air shows like RWBY and yes avatar if they do chose to at any time in the future. in fact we need more outlets that aren't CN or Nickelodeon that allow for more mature themes of animations. that an't well... this abomination. |
GrimAtramentAug 26, 2018 4:38 PM
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| The real question is... does the conservative community have space for anime? XD Seriously though. It is absolutely possible for someone to find an anime they enjoy regardless of whether they are left or right leaning. Now, politics can certainly influence which anime you enjoy (you're probably not going to find a feminist bingeing harem series or a fundamentalist Christian guzzling yaoi), but one of the joys of anime is its sheer variety, which ensures that just about anyone can find something they like. If there is a left-leaning current to the anime community overall (which is a rather shaky assumption, given the absolutely absurd degree of backlash High Spice Gaurdians is getting pre-release), it's probably because there's a left-leaning current to art in general. Art is about freedom of expression and exploration, and while I'm certainly not going to say that conservatives are universally bad at or uninterested in those things, art has a habit of breaking taboos, while conservatives tend to prefer preserving traditions. Also worth noting is that not all art is about breaking new ground; plenty of art exists to celebrate traditions and pre-existing genres. ...Of course if the taboo that's being broken is 'political correctness', plenty of conservatives will absolutely jump on that wagon and ride it off the nearest cliff, but from what I've seen, people who declare themselves the enemy of political correctness are more concerned with bringing back former traditions than actually 'waking the sheeple'. That, or they're just trolling for attention because saying assholey things makes them feel brave and special. TLDR: People of any political leaning can be anime fans, and while tastes can vary with political beliefs, you can probably get along in the community as well as anyone else if you're particularly extremist or out-spoken. |
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hazarddex said: I like Steven Universe. Well, I dropped it 8 episodes into Season 4, but that's mainly because it didn't seem to be going anywhere and I'm not invested enough to sink my teeth into it again.nicethings said: if you're enough of a whiny asshat to constantly talk about your politics and try and integrate them with anime in the first place, that's a problem and it's no wonder people don't like you ^ this people don't generally like having political conversations constantly unless its a fictional one. like debating between Zeon and The EDF. stories can carry messages, but generally heavy handed ones tend to be frowned on by most people. @Skankins i honestly don't get all the flack steven universe gets. especially when there are worse shows on Cartoon network. like that god awful uncle grandpa show or titans go. also i disagree that chruchyroll shouldn't air shows like RWBY and yes avatar if they do chose to at any time in the future. in fact we need more outlets that aren't CN or Nickelodeon that allow for more mature themes of animations. that an't well... this abomination. |
| logh is very conservative friendly and this garbage will never compare so |
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| Japan is like the most not-diverse country ever it's literally all white people, they're more racist against black people than a lot of Americans are. Is anime for conservatives? JAPAN is conservative. It's one of the oldest, most conservative societies. However when we talk about conservative politics, it's important to discuss things like geographical differences. America is a wide-open land where the rural people are most conservative and vote that way most often. Japan, UK, EU are all pretty consolidated spaces. More urbanization means meeting more people means looking out for each other as a society. Urban equals liberal, democrat, socialist perhaps. Rural is often code for don't tread on me. Russia is quite conservative, but it could be linked to their present leader, but I usually think of Russia as a big place. The people there sure act rural. China is a strange technocracy out of a dystopian novel. Cities vote liberal, rural counties often vote conservative. In fact, Japan produced extremely conservative anime in the 1980's, it was all about strongmen protecting society from hoodlums, murderers and criminals. Japan may currently have Abe who is Dem, but their extremely large portion of elderly in their population and ban against children learning about politics before 18 often makes me question exactly what Japan's politics are. Labels like Dem don't seem to have the same meaning there. I saw a recent news article about a Dem there talking smack about LGBT rights. It's also a highly bureaucratic society--such things tend to act conservatively. However, Abe got along well with Obama. They might have signed the TPP. Mostly Abe will talk to anyone in the west for leverage against China and NK. "Abe is a conservative whom political commentators have widely described as a right-wing nationalist.[2][3][4] He is a member of the revisionist Nippon Kaigi and holds revisionist views on Japanese history,[5] including denying the role of government coercion in the recruitment of comfort women during World War II,[6] a position which has created tension with neighboring South Korea.[7][8] He is considered a hard-liner with respect to North Korea, and advocates revising Article 9 of the pacifist constitution to permit Japan to maintain military forces.[9][10] Abe is known internationally for his government's economic policies, nicknamed Abenomics, which pursue monetary easing, fiscal stimulus, and structural reforms.[11]" Oh. "The Liberal Democratic Party of Japan (自由民主党 Jiyū-Minshutō), frequently abbreviated to LDP or Jimintō (自民党), is a conservative political party in Japan. The LDP has near continuously been in power since its foundation in 1955, with the exception of a period between 1993 and 1994, and again from 2009 to 2012." "Ideology Japanese nationalism[3] National conservatism[4] Social conservatism[5] Liberal conservatism[6][7] Economic liberalism[8] Right-wing populism[9] Japanese neoconservatism[10]" Well there you go, Japan is conservative, go figure... Mod edit: merged double posts |
BrandonSep 3, 2018 8:06 AM
| From what I've seen of the anime community it's mainly conservatives on anime sites and obviously 4chan. Other more focused niches of the community differ. RedPlaty said: logh is very conservative friendly and this garbage will never compare so LoGH is an apex of homosexuality so it pleases everyone |
katsucats said: The anime community, unless you live in a coastal state, is mostly conservative. Anime push conservative values with quirky, bumbling females quite literally falling for incels with no distinguishing characteristic. Fanservice was designed to maintain a patriarchal outlook. It's not surprising that, even in Japan, anime fans lean conservative (according to a poll I once read, sorry don't have a link). Most people on MAL lean conservative. So rest assured, you're in the company of your own kind, and I don't say that kindly. :/ Okay, but being an incel/sexist/patriarchal/misogynistic piece of trash isn't something inherent to the Right/Conservatives - it's something inherent to being a cis-het male, irrespective of your race, financial status and geographical location. I speak from experience. |
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| Don't demand anime change or be censored to fit your political ideology and you're fine. Don't be AnimeFeminist, basically. |
GogettersAug 27, 2018 1:04 AM
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| Here there are also (religious) conservatives who even watch Yaoi and Yuri. But maybe some of them will avoid certain things (I know someone who just couldn't watch Sankarea because of the ecchi. Because it was against his belief). So... they can watch... but maybe they'll avoid some things. But no one care what your believes are (as long as it not something racist or something) |
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| My favorite conservative YouTube channel uses pictures of cute anime girls in all of his videos even though what he's talking about is either highly political or a news report on a stupid SJW (Not a normal one, but a stupid one). We like our anime just as much as the next person and CR preaching diversity when the writing staff is 100% female is really annoying. As a dark skinned conservative (We DO exist) the entire High Guardian Spice fiasco annoys me twice as much. How are they gonna say diverse and not have a single dark skinned person in the writing circle? To be fair we only saw half of the table so there could have been a dark skinned woman on the other side, but the point still stands that CR doesn't even understand what makes a group diverse. Having 50% women in the staff and 100% women in writing staff specifically does not make you diverse. Now if they made a point to bring up the different races and backgrounds of the people in the staff, then maybe it could be diverse. The designs are cute though so I'm probably gonna check it out anyway. Who knows? Maybe it'll have some good stuff in it considering how decent Star Vs ended up. While the concept of using CR subscription money to make a cartoon instead of paying the studios more is dumb and scummy, I'm still really curious to see how the show ends up. |
PEDREIVAXAug 27, 2018 1:59 AM
PEDREIVAX said: My favorite conservative YouTube channel uses pictures of cute anime girls in all of his videos even though what he's talking about is either highly political or a news report on a stupid SJW (Not a normal one, but a stupid one). We like our anime just as much as the next person and CR preaching diversity when the writing staff is 100% female is really annoying. As a dark skinned conservative (We DO exist) the entire High Guardian Spice fiasco annoys me twice as much. How are they gonna say diverse and not have a single dark skinned person in the writing circle? To be fair we only saw half of the table so there could have been a dark skinned woman on the other side, but the point still stands that CR doesn't even understand what makes a group diverse. Having 50% women in the staff and 100% women in writing staff specifically does not make you diverse. Now if they made a point to bring up the different races and backgrounds of the people in the staff, then maybe it could be diverse. The designs are cute though so I'm probably gonna check it out anyway. Who knows? Maybe it'll have some good stuff in it considering how decent Star Vs ended up. While the concept of using CR subscription money to make a cartoon instead of paying the studios more is dumb and scummy, I'm still really curious to see how the show ends up. Are yoj talking about Raging Golden Eagle by anh chance? |
| Well the japaneses are pretty conservative (in a broad sense) too, so there are many...how to call them...normal and tamed titles. Could somebody tell me what is stopping conservative americans from watching Angolmois: Genkou Kassenki (it's even a little bit sexist :o: ), Hataraku Saibou, Nobunaga no Shinobi: Anegawa Ishiyama-hen or even Planet With? |
Bourmegar said: Are yoj talking about Raging Golden Eagle by anh chance? Why yes, I was indeed referring to Raging Golden Eagle. |
Claptrap said: RedPlaty said: logh is very conservative friendly and this garbage will never compare so LoGH is an apex of homosexuality so it pleases everyone my comment and your comment reminds me of that time on family guy when peter remarked that rich men have affairs with their butlers +1 |
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DarkInsomnia57 said: Abe tries to cozy up to whoever's in power in the States. He's doing it to Trump now.However, Abe got along well with Obama. They might have signed the TPP. Mostly Abe will talk to anyone in the west for leverage against China and NK. DarkInsomnia57 said: And yeah, he's sort of a shitbag."Abe is a conservative whom political commentators have widely described as a right-wing nationalist.[2][3][4] He is a member of the revisionist Nippon Kaigi and holds revisionist views on Japanese history,[5] including denying the role of government coercion in the recruitment of comfort women during World War II,[6] a position which has created tension with neighboring South Korea.[7][8] He is considered a hard-liner with respect to North Korea, and advocates revising Article 9 of the pacifist constitution to permit Japan to maintain military forces.[9][10] Abe is known internationally for his government's economic policies, nicknamed Abenomics, which pursue monetary easing, fiscal stimulus, and structural reforms.[11]" Also, you can edit your posts btw. I feel bad about chainposting more than twice in a row. DarkInsomnia57 said: I always thought racial designations like "white" and "black" were too broad already, but lumping in the Japanese with "white people" is just going even more stupidly broad.Japan is like the most not-diverse country ever it's literally all white people |
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GlennMagusHarvey said: Also, you can edit your posts btw. I feel bad about chainposting more than twice in a row. DarkInsomnia57 said: I always thought racial designations like "white" and "black" were too broad already, but lumping in the Japanese with "white people" is just going even more stupidly broad.Japan is like the most not-diverse country ever it's literally all white people I don't feel bad. It's confusing if a post has multiple subjects, I see it all the time on here and it makes me angry. There are videos on youtube about how it's been difficult for black entertainers to break into Japanese industries. There are videos on youtube by Japanese guys which are broadly racist against black people. They have a lot of white skinned people. They're not caucasians, but they do have a huge number of white skinned people. Sure, some of them are brown skinned. You would probably consider most Japanese to be genetically close to China, South Korea, but some probably came from southeast Asia, Vietnam, Taiwan etc. |
DarkInsomnia57 said: GlennMagusHarvey said: Also, you can edit your posts btw. I feel bad about chainposting more than twice in a row. I always thought racial designations like "white" and "black" were too broad already, but lumping in the Japanese with "white people" is just going even more stupidly broad. I don't feel bad. It's confusing if a post has multiple subjects, I see it all the time on here and it makes me angry. There are videos on youtube about how it's been difficult for black entertainers to break into Japanese industries. There are videos on youtube by Japanese guys which are broadly racist against black people. They have a lot of white skinned people. They're not caucasians, but they do have a huge number of white skinned people. Sure, some of them are brown skinned. You would probably consider most Japanese to be genetically close to China, South Korea, but some probably came from southeast Asia, Vietnam, Taiwan etc. actually quite a few also came from brazil. No game no life creator was in fact born in brazil and moved to japan. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: actually quite a few also came from brazil. No game no life creator was in fact born in brazil and moved to japan. That's pretty interesting actually. |
DarkInsomnia57 said: hazarddex said: actually quite a few also came from brazil. No game no life creator was in fact born in brazil and moved to japan. That's pretty interesting actually. I've always found that interesting as well. While japan does have a lot of xenophobic issues they aren't total isolationist as people tend to think. As far as anime is concerned you can find a lot of anime that have both right and left leaning ideologies. as well as a lot of anime that speak out against discrimination. so if they are conservative there conservative is a lot different then what Conservative is in the west. |
GrimAtramentAug 27, 2018 11:23 AM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
DarkInsomnia57 said: Well I guess we just disagree on what's better forum courtesy. I find putting everything into a well-sectioned, well-spaced post to be much neater than making multiple posts on different topics (though I do note that your posts all kinda covered the same general subtopic). But oh well.GlennMagusHarvey said: Also, you can edit your posts btw. I feel bad about chainposting more than twice in a row. I always thought racial designations like "white" and "black" were too broad already, but lumping in the Japanese with "white people" is just going even more stupidly broad. I don't feel bad. It's confusing if a post has multiple subjects, I see it all the time on here and it makes me angry. There are videos on youtube about how it's been difficult for black entertainers to break into Japanese industries. There are videos on youtube by Japanese guys which are broadly racist against black people. They have a lot of white skinned people. They're not caucasians, but they do have a huge number of white skinned people. Sure, some of them are brown skinned. You would probably consider most Japanese to be genetically close to China, South Korea, but some probably came from southeast Asia, Vietnam, Taiwan etc. It might be better to use the term "light-skinned" since it makes it more clear that this isn't the usual meaning of "white" which most people (at least among English-speakers) use to mean, broadly, people of European descent (hence why Latinos and Middle-Easterners are often excluded from the category, as well as east Asians). DarkInsomnia57 said: Brazil has a notable Japanese minority, for what it's worth. I forgot the story behind that.hazarddex said: actually quite a few also came from brazil. No game no life creator was in fact born in brazil and moved to japan. That's pretty interesting actually. |
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| I'm quite skeptical about the leftist media, but very few times I hated an anime for pushing leftist ideals, if ever. If I were a doctrinaire social conservative, I'd have hated Cardcaptor Sakura or Kaichou wa Maid-sama for example. thewiru said: And if it helps: I think being a conservative made me like Darling in the FranXX a lot more, since you don't since a lot of media that has essentialism as opposed to construtivism as it's ideology, which was one of my favorite parts of DarliFra. So I'm not the only one who actually though that Darling in the Franxx is a very conservative anime, so much that I spent 1 month writing a review. In a lesser sense. Sword Art Online has a mild conservative flavour with the Kirito-Asuna-Yui family-esque online life. |
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| 3 things: First of all, I'm pretty sure some weird ass magic girl show made by some dumb bimbos in California doesn't really have anything to do with the anime community, and even less with anime production, since well, it would be a Western animation and not an anime, regardless of being produced by a mediocre Western anime publisher. Second, while the anime con culture in the West is certainly dominated by general leftist leaners, it hasn't affected it wholesale, and there is no argument that American style leftism is affecting anime production when about half of all shows are still literal neckbeard wish fulfillment that treats girl as dumb, lovesick bunnies whose lives rotate around the MC. THird Ever_Onward said: There are shows with "conservative" elements. Like Hyouka. I'd be very happy to see more shows like it since it's one of my favorites. This intrigues me, what part of Hyouka, which is my favorite show, do you consider conservative leaning? |
Ever_Onward said: Fijure said: 3 things: First of all, I'm pretty sure some weird ass magic girl show made by some dumb bimbos in California doesn't really have anything to do with the anime community, and even less with anime production, since well, it would be a Western animation and not an anime, regardless of being produced by a mediocre Western anime publisher. Second, while the anime con culture in the West is certainly dominated by general leftist leaners, it hasn't affected it wholesale, and there is no argument that American style leftism is affecting anime production when about half of all shows are still literal neckbeard wish fulfillment that treats girl as dumb, lovesick bunnies whose lives rotate around the MC. THird This intrigues me, what part of Hyouka, which is my favorite show, do you consider conservative leaning? It pretty plainly shows tradition in a positive light (to a greater degree than most shows). Eru is traditional, wouldn't you agree? That is very subtle in that case and not one sided. Chitanda is a traditional girl yes, but Mayaka on the other hand is a tomboy and very non-traditional in many respects, and not portrayed negatively or as unsuitable, so I'm not sure that argument holds water. Also, while the show does deal a lot with tradition it doesn't really show it as only positive, for instance the first arc has the approach that resisting change is ultimately futile and merely leads to unnecessary sacrifices. Futhermore, with Chitanda it is strongly implied that her duties due to her traditions is actually a major burden on her, and she dreams of having her life outside the role her upbringing has shaped for her, though that is much more clear if you've read the novels that continue the story after the anime. |
Ever_Onward said: Fijure said: That is very subtle in that case and not one sided. Chitanda is a traditional girl yes, but Mayaka on the other hand is a tomboy and very non-traditional in many respects, and not portrayed negatively or as unsuitable, so I'm not sure that argument holds water. Also, while the show does deal a lot with tradition it doesn't really show it as only positive, for instance the first arc has the approach that resisting change is ultimately futile and merely leads to unnecessary sacrifices. Futhermore, with Chitanda it is strongly implied that her duties due to her traditions is actually a major burden on her, and she dreams of having her life outside the role her upbringing has shaped for her, though that is much more clear if you've read the novels that continue the story after the anime. Fair enough. It's been years since I watched it. I might see it differently now. That, and I would have to watch it again to "argue" against anything you said since it's far from fresh in my memory. Fair enough, I rewatch it every year so its pretty plain in my memory. I just love discussing the show and you brought up a perspective I hadn't considered, that got me excited. |
| i dont like mixing my entertainment with your American politics. like music, tv shows, anime, movies, games.... they should just be entertainment not political statements. do that in ads or something. unfortunately music is a lost cause that one i accept btw that bobsamurai guy talks like too much. does he breathe. damn. |
tlato_but said: Unfortunately, the internet -- being a space for spouting opinions -- is not at all the best place for what's perhaps the most important conservative value: humility.I'm quite skeptical about the leftist media, but very few times I hated an anime for pushing leftist ideals, if ever. If I were a doctrinaire social conservative, I'd have hated Cardcaptor Sakura or Kaichou wa Maid-sama for example. thewiru said: And if it helps: I think being a conservative made me like Darling in the FranXX a lot more, since you don't since a lot of media that has essentialism as opposed to construtivism as it's ideology, which was one of my favorite parts of DarliFra. So I'm not the only one who actually though that Darling in the Franxx is a very conservative anime, so much that I spent 1 month writing a review. In a lesser sense. Sword Art Online has a mild conservative flavour with the Kirito-Asuna-Yui family-esque online life. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| I would say so, most anime really doesn't have a political viewpoint like a lot of live action TV shows anyway, so it shouldn't offend anybody's politics. Some of anime's sexiness may offend social conservatives though. |
| Yes, but you don't need to make extreme right-wing propaganda anime. Same deal with the extreme left; don't need Shape of Water in anime form plz |
Monster said: Didn't know your political views mattered to entertainment I'm gonna suppose that you are trolling because I can't believe that someone can be this stupid. |
Magnif-Steiner said: Yes, but you don't need to make extreme right-wing propaganda anime. Same deal with the extreme left; don't need Shape of Water in anime form plz Note that Miyazaki makes a tone of political anime that nobody here even notices are very political but make Japan, China, and Korea pissed off. Miyazaki is very controversial in Japan for his political beliefs. But I don't think that means we stop people from making art. Tezuka was a pretty political person, and one of the main reasons he was making manga was to put out a political message he was feeling at the time. Usually having political feelings actually makes for better art- See Death Note which is actually pretty political even if made with the idea of being entertaining above all else, it is highly political if you know things about the Japanese legal system and how people felt about it. |
The anime community in a nutshell.  |
| Going to point out some facts: Moe anime are made and consumed by a mostly conservative base. Ecchi is a mixed bag. Hentai is made by a mostly left wing base in Japan. The censorship laws are being fought by the left in Japan, not the right. The Right in Japan would like to keep those mosiacs going. They are the ones who censored all the incest anime we used to get because they thought it was decaying good moral values. And yeah works like Sword Art Online are politically right wing. Censored incest is a real sign of that political right thing going on. But remember the right wing in Japan hates anime. And works to censor anime further. Welcome to the NHK carries a politically right wing message. Where The Wind Rises carries a politically left message. I guess a lot of people wouldn't really know about Japanese politics but, as much as we ascribe the left with censorship, realize that in Japan, being pro-censorship is a platform of the right. Which is actually fairly true here as well. Conservatives would like to shut up this artist and do not even want it to exist and do not want it on their platform. Left people either do not care, as in they never looked up this person's politics and they didn't care, and when they saw the commercial were like whatever? And maybe a small amount of people were like yay this show is going to be great. Or maybe some people who are a-political were more like "will judge it when it comes out". But conservatives decided to politicize this move by crunchy in an effort to get the show censored in a sense. |
Energetic-NovaAug 28, 2018 5:51 AM
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
Dark_Lord9 said: Monster said: Didn't know your political views mattered to entertainment I'm gonna suppose that you are trolling because I can't believe that someone can be this stupid. Elaborate how whether you're left or right-leaning serve any purpose to enjoy a medium or not. |
DarkInsomnia57 said: In fact, Japan produced extremely conservative anime in the 1980's, it was all about strongmen protecting society from hoodlums, murderers and criminals. Hey, but hentai is politically left in Japan, mostly because of all the censorship by the right targeting them. XD But porn is always spearheaded by us crazy liberal types even if we would never what to think that Hugh Hefner was politically very left even if feminists (which I would say were mostly right leaning feminists only left because only the left really listened to them anyway, because left people listen to ideas that are different, conservatives want to preserve tradition)were seemingly against him. XD And like most left people, are anti-censorship. The right loves to censor stuff to "protect families" which is exactly what the right in Japan like to do. Anything with female nudity in the 80's is a left wing act. And that is a lot of ovas. |
Energetic-NovaAug 28, 2018 6:23 AM
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
Energetic-Nova said: DarkInsomnia57 said: In fact, Japan produced extremely conservative anime in the 1980's, it was all about strongmen protecting society from hoodlums, murderers and criminals. Hey, but hentai is politically left in Japan, mostly because of all the censorship by the right targeting them. XD But porn is always spearheaded by us crazy liberal types even if we would never what to think that Hugh Hefner was politically very left even if feminists (which I would say were mostly right leaning feminists only left because only the left really listened to them anyway, because left people listen to ideas that are different, conservatives want to preserve tradition). XD Meh, the left has been more protective of specific non-normal forms of sexuality and pornography - not all-encompassing of any sort of deviancy or differings from the norm, just limited to a handful of non-standard ways of portraying sexual indulgence and sexuality - and the right has generally grown more protective of the more standard and mainstream elements in recent years, which the left attacks pretty often under a bunch of trite about gender roles and misogyny. The latter especially smells like a form of opportunism to try to drive people such as myself to the right more rather than anything else and I think they'd totally fucking backstab whenever we became more expendable because sexual liberty is completely at odds with the right's fundamental viewpoints, and the left usually seem too steeped in its own ideology and desire for what they deem to be "progression" to actually try to initiate some kind of discourse to move past these things and incorporate a more liberty-based view as opposed to a moral or politesse based one, and I have no hope in them to change until it's too late, considering how a lot of even the less-extreme leftists are more concerned about the right rather than the fractures and prominence of extremities within the left that's been nothing except a huge help to the growth of the right in many ways. It's like trying to kill a tank as it's pocketing a healer and it simply won't work so long as they continue to passively ignore these sorts of things that make people despise the left so much just to focus on what they deem to be the bigger enemy. Sometimes you just can't fucking beat the bigger enemy whenever he's got some kind of inadvertant support like this coming from your own side, but that seems totally lost of the left. Now there's legitimately (and completely asinine) notions such as a sexually tolerant right existing because of the left's perceived complete intolerance outside of a few limited areas and how they generally fail to address these elements in a meaningful way and that's what the image of the left has become, pushing aside fundamental values and ideals in favor of some frivolous, petty shit about gender roles and language policing and what have you. I kind of think that sexualization and sexuality are more encircled by a vulture and a viper, both trying to tear at its body or inject its poison into it, respectively. I certainly don't see either side currently having the higher ground in this regard. One is very limited, the other is...very limited. Diminish and mitigate or control and allow on grounds of morality or tastefulness or maturity or what have you. It's all awful to me and I respect absolutely none of the politicization about sexualization in media specifically, and would rather just die on my fucking own than align with the left or the right on this topic in the current envrionment. At the end of the day they both seek to control and mitigate in some way, shape, or form, just in different ways and have different focuses on what's being deemed immoral or inappropriate or problematic, rather than allotting actual liberty to audiences in this regard. It's straight fucking cancer and they both totally disgust me. If anybody ever wants to see how the right actually views sexuality and sexualization then I do encourage them to watch BobSamurai's videos, tho :P They're certainly not going to be a legitimate friend anytime soon and it's totally fucking stupid to expect as much from them. |
ManabanAug 28, 2018 6:31 AM
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Manaban said: Energetic-Nova said: Hey, but hentai is politically left in Japan, mostly because of all the censorship by the right targeting them. XD But porn is always spearheaded by us crazy liberal types even if we would never what to think that Hugh Hefner was politically very left even if feminists (which I would say were mostly right leaning feminists only left because only the left really listened to them anyway, because left people listen to ideas that are different, conservatives want to preserve tradition). XD Meh, the left has been more protective of specific non-normal forms of sexuality and pornography - not all-encompassing, just limited to a handful of non-standard ways of sexual indulgence and sexuality - and the right has generally grown more protective of the more standard and mainstream elements in recent years, which the left attacks pretty often under a bunch of trite about gender roles and misogyny. The latter especially smells like a form of opportunism to try to drive people such as myself to the right, and the left is too steeped in its own ideology to really adapt lately and just continue playing the pocket healer in this regard. Now there's legitimately completely asinine notions such as a sexually tolerant right existing because of the left's perceived complete intolerance outside of a few limited areas and how hamfisted they are about it. It's a joke. I kind of think that sexualization and sexuality are more encircled by a vulture and a viper, both trying to tear at its body or inject its poison into it, respectively. I certainly don't see either side currently having the higher ground in this regard. One is limited, the other is...very limited. Diminish and mitigate or control and allow on grounds of morality or tastefulness or maturity or what have you. It's all awful to me and I respect absolutely none of the politicization about sexualization in media specifically, and would rather just die on my fucking own than align with the left or the right on this topic. At the end of the day they both seek to control and mitigate, just in different ways and have different focuses, rather than allotting actual liberty to audiences in this regard. It's straight fucking cancer. Will reiterate.... In Japan. It is the right wing which seeks to censor anime. Not the left. And the left, even in the USA, is the one who protects all pornography as an industry, not the right who would like to see it all made illegal. (if we get into extremes). Feminists can get into a space of horseshoe theory, where they can get so left that they look the same as the right or vice versa. But really, understand I am a feminist, and politically left, and you can see what I read and watch. I am just not a christian and also don't believe in censorship unless it could kill someone. |
Energetic-NovaAug 28, 2018 6:30 AM
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
Energetic-Nova said: Manaban said: Meh, the left has been more protective of specific non-normal forms of sexuality and pornography - not all-encompassing, just limited to a handful of non-standard ways of sexual indulgence and sexuality - and the right has generally grown more protective of the more standard and mainstream elements in recent years, which the left attacks pretty often under a bunch of trite about gender roles and misogyny. The latter especially smells like a form of opportunism to try to drive people such as myself to the right, and the left is too steeped in its own ideology to really adapt lately and just continue playing the pocket healer in this regard. Now there's legitimately completely asinine notions such as a sexually tolerant right existing because of the left's perceived complete intolerance outside of a few limited areas and how hamfisted they are about it. It's a joke. I kind of think that sexualization and sexuality are more encircled by a vulture and a viper, both trying to tear at its body or inject its poison into it, respectively. I certainly don't see either side currently having the higher ground in this regard. One is limited, the other is...very limited. Diminish and mitigate or control and allow on grounds of morality or tastefulness or maturity or what have you. It's all awful to me and I respect absolutely none of the politicization about sexualization in media specifically, and would rather just die on my fucking own than align with the left or the right on this topic. At the end of the day they both seek to control and mitigate, just in different ways and have different focuses, rather than allotting actual liberty to audiences in this regard. It's straight fucking cancer. Will reiterate.... In Japan. It is the right wing which seeks to censor anime. Not the left. And the left, even in the USA, is the one who protects all pornography as an industry, not the right who would like to see it all made illegal. (if we get into extremes). Feminists can get into a space of horseshoe theory, where they can get so left that they look the same as the right or vice versa. But really, understand I am a feminist, and politically left, and you can see what I read and watch. I am just not a christian and also don't believe in censorship unless it could kill someone. The left does too in Japan, though >_> They were some of the most vocal proponents of a recent sin tax trying to push the sale of pornography out of certain areas and making it harder to obtain. Ironically, until it was revealed that yaoi and boy's love stuff was also being hit by this sin tax and they treated it like homophobia. These elements in Japan aren't some mythical, detached entity from the west's left, as much as people want to believe as much it seems. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiHHhFTVMAAEdrj.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiHHhgsUEAA2ddY.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiIB5d3UwAAeMvH.jpg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/201126694109708288/467987428393746432/genius.jpg The right and the left both have different ways of attempting to curttail these elements and different M.O.'s and prerogatives in what they extend their protection towards. In Japan, in the U.S., in Europe, so on and so forth. Neither has really done anything to consistently demonstrate a value of liberty and instead opt to attack and try to go on the offensive against certain portrayals based on how immoral/problematic it is. Trying to prop up one as a bastion of liberty over the other is exactly how they try to suck people in when it comes to this area, and it's a fucking joke considering that neither consider to operate it on a holistic, all-encompassing level like actual liberties would allow. They have to mold it into something that fits their narrative better for it to be acceptable for audiences to consume. |
ManabanAug 28, 2018 7:01 AM
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Manaban said: Energetic-Nova said: Will reiterate.... In Japan. It is the right wing which seeks to censor anime. Not the left. And the left, even in the USA, is the one who protects all pornography as an industry, not the right who would like to see it all made illegal. (if we get into extremes). Feminists can get into a space of horseshoe theory, where they can get so left that they look the same as the right or vice versa. But really, understand I am a feminist, and politically left, and you can see what I read and watch. I am just not a christian and also don't believe in censorship unless it could kill someone. The left does too in Japan, though >_> They were some of the most vocal proponents of a recent sin tax trying to push the sale of pornography out of certain areas and making it harder to obtain. Ironically, until it was revealed that yaoi and boy's love stuff was also being hit by this sin tax and they treated it like homophobia https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiHHhFTVMAAEdrj.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiHHhFTVMAAEdrj.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiHHhgsUEAA2ddY.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiIB5d3UwAAeMvH.jpg That is pretty funny. But in Japan, there is also a political movement against yaoi, by gay men, which some people are listening to and they just straight up seem like they want to censor yaoi's right to exist. XD That whole identity politics thing. Not that it doesn't have a place, but it has been getting annoying since 2016 for me. |
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
Monster said: Dark_Lord9 said: I'm gonna suppose that you are trolling because I can't believe that someone can be this stupid. Elaborate how whether you're left or right-leaning serve any purpose to enjoy a medium or not. A medium always reflects the ideological views of the authors as well as themes that doesn't please to everyone or sometimes it may contain things that the author himself doesn't agree with but see no trouble in citing while others don't and think it's taboo. For example conservatives won't like seeing a lot of sexual stuff, religious people don't want to see people praising satan in a movie even if it's a joke. I'm even getting shitted on by people who claim to be open-minded just because I make jokes about lolis or some dark humor jokes. I know that there are people who don't care about anything but most people don't. Most people gets annoyed but certain things and ideas and art is very important medium to cite these ideas. The point of this thread is that anime can be very unfriendly to certain people who are conservatives. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that we need to make animes just for them it's just an open thread to discus this. |
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