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Aug 8, 2018 12:27 PM

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It's drama at its finest!
While reading latest few chapters of Attack on Titan, I couldn't help but being so emotional towards the drama and relationships development!

It's not a romance story, but I can't help but thinking about who's the father of Historia's baby and whether she chose someone I'd approve or not?

It's not a lighthearted story, and I can't help but trying to fantasize a sweet heartwarming solution for Eren-Mikasa-Armin conflict!

It's a powerful war-based & history-based story, and I just want to see some sweet moments between the characters at the current time!

So what Eren's planning to do, and what about Historia's baby? I think both issues are super related to each other.

- Eren's plan is to join Zeke and activate Earthen Rumbling as he thinks it's the only solution available, this explains why he attacked Marley in front of nations of the whole world! Because he doesn't care anymore about what the world thinks, he's aiming at rumbling the whole world.

- Why Historia would suddenly do it with someone without even marrying him? [Edit: official translation says "without holding a wedding!"]
I think we have two possibilities here:

#1 She agrees to the breeding & 50-years plan, although there will be some questions here




*why she didn't eat Zeke first before getting pregnant as the child might die when she turns into a titan? They even mentioned something like this.

*why she would choose some random guy that she just knows from her childhood a long time ago? Maybe she loves him? I didn't really see that coming, I mean.. this is too much! To do it with someone suddenly.. for her being the Queen?! She can just arrange a marriage in public! Why she would try to do it secretly?

The higher-ups conversation makes it more suspicions!

This leads me to the second possibility:

#2 Historia is cooperating with Eren, he's the real father and they both planned the said story about that farmer guy.




This might explain the fact that someone warned Historia that the corps wanted to feed Zeke to the Queen!
They said that one who warned Historia might be Yellena, however some people say it's just Eren!
In both cases, we know that Yellena works with Zeke who's planning something with Eren, so they're all working together and planning for something.
This might lead to the theory that Eren's the real father, and they used that guy just to deceive the others!

So why Eren then? Because he's not going to sacrifice Historia, and he has a different plan than others.. I don't know about Historia's real intentions, but as for now I'll go with this theory.

In chapter 86, Grisha [Jaeger] stood up for Dina [Fritz], she cried and fell in love with him.




In chapter 107, Eren [Jaeger] stood up for Historia [Fritz] and she also cried!




So, a [Jaeger] and a [Fritz] once again, history repeats itself maybe!

I mean, this might be the way Isayama handles love in Attack on Titan. Kruger did also mentioned something about love "Find someone to love, Grisha".. so we shouldn't ignore love in Attack on Titan even if it's not a romance story.

In chapter 106 Eren said he didn't tell them about Dina because he didn't want to sacrifice Historia.

And once again, Isayama reminds us in chapter 108 by mentioning Eren stressing on being against sacrificing Historia! As if Isayama wants to say: Eren can never allow this to happen!

So why Eren would marry Historia if he's against the breeding plan?
Because he wants to protect her from eating Zeke and being a breeding machine, think of that besides Eren and Historia having feelings towards each other, marriage and having babies would make sense like that!
Love & protection, right?

In this case, the survey corp and higher-ups will wait for Historia's pregnancy period as Eren & Zeke are planning to do their thing, which makes sense that Historia is on Eren side.

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As for Eren and Zeke's plan,




page 33 which shows both of them suggests that they're waiting for some sort of a signal to execute their plan, therefore the [wine stuff] does have something to do with this plan!




If we assume the wine is poisoned, the plan is to kill the higher-ups in order for Eren to move smoothly towards executing the plan.
He and Zeke might've planned for everything since they were in Marley, we all know how smart is Zeke! I don't think he didn't consider the possibility of him being captured by the SC like this without being able to do anything!

Based on this, we now have two sides within Paradise:
- Eren, Zeke, Historia and volunteer soldiers
- SC including Armin and Mikasa, since I think Mikasa will eventually leave Eren and join the others

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As for Reiner, I think the plan he proposed means one thing: he wants to join Paradis so badly!
I mean, suggesting such a reckless plan knowing how strong have Paradise become, it means he doesn't care about victory for Marley!

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Edit:

Another theory about Historia and Eren is that after Eren returned from Marley, he has completely changed as Jean mentioned. That's because of something Zeke told Eren or did with him!

Hanji in chapter 107 asked Eren "Do you no longer care what happens to Historia?", this leads me to the thought that Eren is willing now to sacrifice Historia and use her for whatever needed for his and Zeke's plan!

I can't really understand this, because it's still not clear.. current relation between Historia & Eren is not very clear. Do they work together? If so, then why Hanji would say something like that "you no longer care about Historia"?

In case of Historia working with Eren and managed to deceive Hanji and the others, there's also a possibility that she got pregnant by the farmer guy (not necessary Eren) in order to buy time for Eren and Zeke's plan, but still why Historia would do it with that guy? This is just a livestock act Eren refused, which means Eren won't be the one who told her to do so!

It's full of confusion, I know.


Another CRAZY THEORY I came across!

Eren is trying to defeat the 142nd king's ideology of renouncing war. Eren is trying to impose his ideology of "Fight! Fight!" and that's why he was saying that to the mirror!

He wants next inheritor to be able to escape the king's ideology, which means Eren's planning to let a descendant of that king (Historia's baby) inherit the founding titan!

Which implies that Eren is the father!

The thing is, why he would do that if he's against the breeding plan? We don't know everything yet, so there might be an explanation later, right?

But on the other hand, it makes sense why he was talking to the mirror saying "Fight! Fight!"
It makes sense why the Attack Titan is the protagonist who will apparently solve the problem!
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Aug 8, 2018 11:39 PM

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But if this theory is correct then that means Eren x Mikasa ship is done for and also I would like to see Mikasa's reaction. Anyways it's good to see this kind of development, hopefully the reason behind all this is not shit.
 
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MOB_ABOMINATOR said:
But if this theory is correct then that means Eren x Mikasa ship is done for and also I would like to see Mikasa's reaction. Anyways it's good to see this kind of development, hopefully the reason behind all this is not shit.


I just hope we get more explanation next chapter, because it's so confusing right now and Isayama is toying with us!
 
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AnimeNoSensei said:
MOB_ABOMINATOR said:
But if this theory is correct then that means Eren x Mikasa ship is done for and also I would like to see Mikasa's reaction. Anyways it's good to see this kind of development, hopefully the reason behind all this is not shit.


I just hope we get more explanation next chapter, because it's so confusing right now and Isayama is toying with us!
lol confusion? It's total chaos since the time skip. Once the manga is done I'll have to re read all those chapters again.
 
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MOB_ABOMINATOR said:
AnimeNoSensei said:


I just hope we get more explanation next chapter, because it's so confusing right now and Isayama is toying with us!
lol confusion? It's total chaos since the time skip. Once the manga is done I'll have to re read all those chapters again.


lol I know, right? I have re read chapter 108 alone three times to understand something and still as you can see!
 
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Aug 10, 2018 11:12 PM

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i've always liked eren/historia pairing because it matches well with the context of the story, if they ever become canon it will be interesting to see.

AnimeNoSensei said:
In case of Historia working with Eren and managed to deceive Hanji and the others, there's also a possibility that she got pregnant by the farmer guy (not necessary Eren) in order to buy time for Eren and Zeke's plan, but still why Historia would do it with that guy? This is just a livestock act Eren refused, which means Eren won't be the one who told her to do so!

nothing is clear, but the reason some people say it might be eren who told historia to delay the inheriting by giving birth even when he refused the livestock act is because it was made clear in this chapter that eren doesn't want any of his friends to shorten their lifespans and live longer and eren worrying about historia becoming a titan has been one of his big worries recently, so maybe to go with this plan is better than becoming a titan it actually saves her life even for limited time until he comes up with another way to solve the problem
 
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dr-clark said:

nothing is clear, but the reason some people say it might be eren who told historia to delay the inheriting by giving birth even when he refused the livestock act is because it was made clear in this chapter that eren doesn't want any of his friends to shorten their lifespans and live longer and eren worrying about historia becoming a titan has been one of his big worries recently, so maybe to go with this plan is better than becoming a titan it actually saves her life even for limited time until he comes up with another way to solve the problem


In this case, I just hope Eren's the father not the farmer.. it's selfish from me since I know Attack on Titan is not about romance and heartwarming, it will do anything that serves the story, but I'd like him to be Eren.. just to satisfy my selfish feelings.
 
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AnimeNoSensei said:
In this case, I just hope Eren's the father not the farmer.. it's selfish from me since I know Attack on Titan is not about romance and heartwarming, it will do anything that serves the story, but I'd like him to be Eren.. just to satisfy my selfish feelings.

We're all selfish when it comes to shipping :p, besides historia having a child with eren is still better than with someone she barely knows.
shipping aside, I saw some fan theories saying it still might be eren and the farmer guy might be a cover, I guess we just have to wait till next chapters because we never heard eren, zeke nor historia' s pov.
 
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I feel like Eren loves Mikasa, and I also think there's a 70% possibility of him being the father
 
Aug 11, 2018 10:50 PM

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blackiemma22 said:
I feel like Eren loves Mikasa, and I also think there's a 70% possibility of him being the father


Well, Mikasa has been with him since the beginning.. so in case of he's the father, I'll feel bad for Mikasa too!
If only he can build a harem! lol
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SharafDan said:
blackiemma22 said:
I feel like Eren loves Mikasa, and I also think there's a 70% possibility of him being the father


Well, Mikasa has been with him from the beginning.. so in case of he's the father, I'll feel bad for Mikasa too!
If only he can build a harem! lol


I won't feel bad for her lol him being the father doesn't mean anything ship wise tbh. It doesn't mean he loves Historia, he's just her baby daddy
 
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As much as I want Mikasa and Eren to have a happy ending, I feel like her love for him is fading. I mean right now the 104th squad's friendship is strained because of what Eren's done and Sasha's death, even Armin is having second thoughts on Eren's actions.

But yeah, I don't accept Historia having a child with some random scrub that bullied her. However Historia being his offical wife and Mikasa being the mistress is fine too.
 
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As much as I want Mikasa and Eren to have a happy ending, I feel like her love for him is fading. I mean right now the 104th squad's friendship is strained because of what Eren's done and Sasha's death, even Armin is having second thoughts on Eren's actions.

But yeah, I don't accept Historia having a child with some random scrub that bullied her. However Historia being his offical wife and Mikasa being the mistress is fine too.


If it turned into a harem series, it will solve the shipping problem, right? lol

I think we're definitely gonna see the three close friends turn against each other soon. Eren has a secret plan with Zeke, it's about time he will start executing the plan.

I think, I'm not sure but I think Eren will have to kill friends when the time comes. He will kill them if they stood against his plan, and most likely they will do.
 
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I think, I'm not sure but I think Eren will have to kill friends when the time comes. He will kill them if they stood against his plan, and most likely they will do.


The plan is for his friends as well so I dunno about him killing them, they just need to see the bigger picture. I can tell Armin is siding with Jean and Connie while Mikasa is in a tough predicament. I found it pretty sad that she's already accepted Eren's fate of dying young.

I want to see Annie return though, I wonder if Eren and Zeke plan on releasing her and bringing her to their side.
 
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vong10 said:
SharafDan said:
I think, I'm not sure but I think Eren will have to kill friends when the time comes. He will kill them if they stood against his plan, and most likely they will do.


The plan is for his friends as well so I dunno about him killing them, they just need to see the bigger picture. I can tell Armin is siding with Jean and Connie while Mikasa is in a tough predicament. I found it pretty sad that she's already accepted Eren's fate of dying young.

I want to see Annie return though, I wonder if Eren and Zeke plan on releasing her and bringing her to their side.


I know it's so messed up right now that each theory will contradict with other facts, but considering that Eren has changed after last trip to Marley, and judging by his talk with Hanji.. when he raged until titan marks appeared on his face, it means he is now determining to do what he has to do.

I'm just wondering if Zeke revealed some major secrets to him, or Eren saw some important memories from the founding titan when he touched Zeke.. maybe he saw something about Ymir Fritz herself and the true history of the world, not the theories spread by Marley or Eldians.

He might've seen something really serious that changed his mind. Connie said "That bastard wasn't Eren" as if he's confirming this fact!
 
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I wouldn't mind an Eren/Historia pairing mainly because I don't care much for Eren, never did...in fact, he is for me easily the most annoying character (similar to Shinji). Somehow I do not think that Historia actually loves the father of her child because I do not think that Historia is actually straight. The one person she truly loved is dead (RIP Ymir) so I guess she really did it for the bigger picture. It would make a lot of sense if Eren is the father since Eren, like any other Titan who can change, lives on borrowed time and he will eventually die - probably sooner than later. Chances are higher if the baby is truly his, then it would make an excellent vessel for all the different powers.
 
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Damn some great theories whirling around here. You guys take this shit pretty seriously.... not gonna blame you though.... myself also is pretty confused right now. Anyway somebody knows when the next chapter is gonna be up. Are they releasing it every month?
 
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Damn some great theories whirling around here. You guys take this shit pretty seriously.... not gonna blame you though.... myself also is pretty confused right now. Anyway somebody knows when the next chapter is gonna be up. Are they releasing it every month?

Chapters officially come out on 9th every month.
 
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Tsarko said:
iliyanski89 said:
Damn some great theories whirling around here. You guys take this shit pretty seriously.... not gonna blame you though.... myself also is pretty confused right now. Anyway somebody knows when the next chapter is gonna be up. Are they releasing it every month?

Chapters officially come out on 9th every month.


Big thanks bro.... i'll keep that in mind.
 
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Just a quick question to help me understand things: How long was Eren at Marley?
I'm not going against your theory, but knowing how long he was at Marley would help to know if there is a possibility of the baby being Eren's.
 
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Another interesting bit of information that seems to confirm that Eren is involved in Historia's pregnancy either directly or indirectly : in chapter 107, Eren snaps after Hanji guilt trips him about Historia and he tells her that they (the military) cannot kill him, nor can they kill Zeke. It makes sense that the military can't easily get rid of Eren considering how dangerously strong they've allowed him to become, but what about Zeke would make it impossible for him to be killed? Well it's simple, it just means that Eren knows that Historia is pregnant and that as such, feeding Zeke to her is impossible until after the baby's birth.
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Quequel said:
Just a quick question to help me understand things: How long was Eren at Marley?
I'm not going against your theory, but knowing how long he was at Marley would help to know if there is a possibility of the baby being Eren's.


I think Eren stayed in Marley for months (basically less than a year) judging by the flashbacks we saw since Yellena arrived to Paradise and Lady Kiyomi and also the flashback we saw in chapter 108.

However, I can't be sure of this since it's not confirmed exactly!
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Another interesting bit of information that seems to confirm that Eren is involved in Historia's pregnancy either directly or indirectly : in chapter 107, Eren snaps after Hanji guilt trips him about Historia and he tells her that they (the military) cannot kill him, nor can they kill Zeke. It makes sense that the military can't easily get rid of Eren considering how dangerously strong they've allowed him to become, but what about Zeke would make it impossible for him to be killed? Well it's simple, it just means that Eren knows that Historia is pregnant and that as such, feeding Zeke to her is impossible until after the baby's birth.


That's interesting!
As we know, Eren was imprisoned since they brought him back from Marley, so I think he didn't get to see Historia who's currently living with that farmer!
We may assume that, but we can't be sure, I guess.

The question is, why Hanji said to Eren "Do you no longer care what happens to Historia?", does she assume he doesn't know about her pregnancy and that they're still thinking of feeding Zeke to her?
Or does she talking about the world attacks Paradise and therefore everybody including Historia is gonna be screwed up? So she's saying: you're being reckless, Eren. You screwed everything up, which means you don't care about Historia anymore!

I don't know!
 
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I thought i was the only one who’s really confused since the time skip.. it feels like a whole freaking mess and i dont understand anything at all
However im sorry am i the only one whos not convinced with Eren x Historia being together ? I just dont feel convinced i dont feel it happening.. not that im shipping Eren x Mikasa I simply dont see Romance in this manga, i just dont feel that Eren x Historia is real.. they never had anything going on with each other not even a hint, so it would feel forced to me if they did get together and kind of weird, maybe cause i dont see Romance in this manga buf i dunno.. i cant feel it
 
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I thought i was the only one who’s really confused since the time skip.. it feels like a whole freaking mess and i dont understand anything at all
However im sorry am i the only one whos not convinced with Eren x Historia being together ? I just dont feel convinced i dont feel it happening.. not that im shipping Eren x Mikasa I simply dont see Romance in this manga, i just dont feel that Eren x Historia is real.. they never had anything going on with each other not even a hint, so it would feel forced to me if they did get together and kind of weird, maybe cause i dont see Romance in this manga buf i dunno.. i cant feel it


I agree with you it's not a romance manga, but since Eren cares a lot about his friends, he stood up for Historia many times! Not just one time, but many times he thought how to protect her as I explained above.

Once when he knew that Dina is the reason why he was able to activate the coordinate, he didn't tell the others in order to protect Historia from being turned into a titan.

The other time was when they were talking about the breeding plan, Eren refused it because he didn't want to sacrifice Historia or make her doing a livestock act. At that moment, Historia almost cried which reminds me of same thing happened between Dina and Grisha as I explained above.

When Grisha stood up for Dina, she cried and fell in love with him, so maybe this is just the way Isayama handles love in Attack on Titan?
There was also developing moments between the two of them during the uprising arc, there was even blushing moments.

Tho it's not gonna turn into a romance story, what I'm saying is if this is true, it's done just to serve the story not anything else!
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VB15 said:
I thought i was the only one who’s really confused since the time skip.. it feels like a whole freaking mess and i dont understand anything at all
However im sorry am i the only one whos not convinced with Eren x Historia being together ? I just dont feel convinced i dont feel it happening.. not that im shipping Eren x Mikasa I simply dont see Romance in this manga, i just dont feel that Eren x Historia is real.. they never had anything going on with each other not even a hint, so it would feel forced to me if they did get together and kind of weird, maybe cause i dont see Romance in this manga buf i dunno.. i cant feel it

I'd say there is good foundation for them to be a thing. Big part of Uprising was them getting to know each other, influencing each other's development (mainly chapter 54 and the cave for Historia. And for Eren the cave and chapter 68) and them emotionally supporting each (Eren supported Historia in chapter 54 after Ymir left, and she supported him in the cave when Eren gave up his life saying he doesn't deserve to exist). All this lead for them getting to know each other well, as evidenced with Eren's talk with Jean and Armin in chapter 70. And they became pretty close, which annoyed Mikasa in chapter 70.

Eren clearly cares for her and also stood up for her many times and was really afraid of the idea of her becoming a titan (chapter 89, chapter 106, 107 and 108).

Depending how it's done, I don't think it would be forced or feel out of place if Isayama decides to go that route. Foundation is already there.

But we'll see how it goes. This is really exciting time, there's so many possibilities and ways the story could go. And there's also a lot of information we still don't have.
 
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