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May 27, 2018 8:13 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Finally, the movie has been added to MyAnimeList. =)

I'm glad they've made this movie since I was really disappointed by the show's direction after episode 9. It's good that've removed all the cliché scenes, the romance part, the stupid deus ex machina thing with Yukika (I really hated Shindo and Tsukai for doing that since they don't let humanity choose what to do about ZaShunina's offer - even if what he has planned wasn't good for them).

But I really think an alternative version should have been better.



But it was good to see again that animation, to hear the musics... and to see ZaShunina, my favorite character of the show.
 
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May 27, 2018 8:42 AM

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Not exactly the greatest ending, but still miles better than the anime one(though any ending is probably better than that)
Sad they didnt show Yaha's and Shindou's first meeting or Tsukai becoming an admin, but still pretty good recap.
Wish they'd make an s2 with humanity advancing and going to anistropic by themselves though.
 
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May 27, 2018 10:01 AM

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i don't usually like recaps, but can you find anything new in this one? (don't care about spoilers xd)
"Gradually Watermelon"
 
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May 27, 2018 10:33 AM

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YumiShinku said:
i don't usually like recaps, but can you find anything new in this one? (don't care about spoilers xd)

There are a pair of new scenes and the last 15ish minutes are different from the anime
 
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May 27, 2018 10:42 AM

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ZaShunina should have left the earth with his beloved Shindou a BL ending isn't a bad thing.
 
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May 27, 2018 1:00 PM
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Is this still CGI, or real animation like in the ep 0 ?
 
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May 27, 2018 4:52 PM

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Saraka Tsukai and the romance were the only major part of the show I found worth watching. The original ending was pretty bad, so I gave the "new" ending a watch to see if it'd have anything interesting... it didn't.

The OP sung by "Saraka" has 1,728 plays on lastfm and 238 of those are mine ._. I wish I could buy it on CD without buying a whale-priced BD set I have no use for. I also would have liked a copy of the unreleased soundtrack, I just love the main motif - both the bombastic version in the grand spectacle scenes, and the soft piano rendition that played during the romance scene on the bench.

@Elyasis it's CG.
 
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Aug 8, 2018 12:38 PM

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Shortly after I posted that and MAL went down, I found out the OST had been released four days earlier. So I ordered it from CDJapan, the most expensive album I've ever bought.



My only complaints are 1) still no Tabiuta instrumental and 2) no Saraka on the cover. Still, totally worth it.
 
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Oct 12, 2018 7:16 PM

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Where did you guys watch this?
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Oct 13, 2018 6:30 AM
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ToG25thBaam said:
Where did you guys watch this?

It was available on the YouTube channel of Toei Animation from May 22nd to June 4th 2018. I don't know if they plan to release it on Blu-ray/DVD...
 
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Kirie-san said:
It was available on the YouTube channel of Toei Animation from May 22nd to June 4th 2018. I don't know if they plan to release it on Blu-ray/DVD...
Ahh no wonder the youtube link didn't work for me earlier. Thanks!
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ToG25thBaam said:
Kirie-san said:
It was available on the YouTube channel of Toei Animation from May 22nd to June 4th 2018. I don't know if they plan to release it on Blu-ray/DVD...
Ahh no wonder the youtube link didn't work for me earlier. Thanks!


Good news if you still want to watch it: it was announced on the anime Twitter account that the movie will be available from 12/24 10 a.m. to 12/31 10 a.m. on Toei Animation YouTube channel.

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Kirie-san said:
ToG25thBaam said:
Ahh no wonder the youtube link didn't work for me earlier. Thanks!


Good news if you still want to watch it: it was announced on the anime Twitter account that the movie will be available from 12/24 10 a.m. to 12/31 10 a.m. on Toei Animation YouTube channel.

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Wew I read this a while ago but I forgot about it as I went on Christmas vacation with family until the very end of December.. Sadly missed out on it again. I dont get why they don't just have it on their channel permanently. Thanks for the notice though, appreciate it!
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ToG25thBaam said:
Kirie-san said:


Good news if you still want to watch it: it was announced on the anime Twitter account that the movie will be available from 12/24 10 a.m. to 12/31 10 a.m. on Toei Animation YouTube channel.

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Wew I read this a while ago but I forgot about it as I went on Christmas vacation with family until the very end of December.. Sadly missed out on it again. I dont get why they don't just have it on their channel permanently. Thanks for the notice though, appreciate it!

You're welcome. I think that spending Christmas vacation with your family is better than staying at home to watch the movie lol (not saying that the movie is bad, they've cut the useless part which is good, but seeing your family is important, I hoped you enjoyed it).

Maybe they'll make it available again in the future. Or maybe they're planning to make a remake (without the stupid drama with Tsukai lol).
 
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ToG25thBaam said:
Kirie-san said:


Good news if you still want to watch it: it was announced on the anime Twitter account that the movie will be available from 12/24 10 a.m. to 12/31 10 a.m. on Toei Animation YouTube channel.

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Wew I read this a while ago but I forgot about it as I went on Christmas vacation with family until the very end of December.. Sadly missed out on it again. I dont get why they don't just have it on their channel permanently. Thanks for the notice though, appreciate it!


Not sure if you already watched it, but (after 1 hour of painful research) I finally found it!

Here: https://www.bilibili.com/video/av23887617/ - or search "kado 12.5" on bilibili.

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As for my opinion, I like this new ending better... but still not good. This show was good for what it was, and it didn't need fighting scenes at all. Saraka was... hm... a character that shoudn't exist, in my opinion. They should have negociated with ZaShunina, that's what this anime was about.

They removed the kid scenes, and THANKS GOD. I hated it so much, i'm so so so happy they removed it.

The ending felt really fast, not rushed tho, it wasn't that big of a scene, but "they 'fight' for 2 seconds, dissapear, and everything is back to normal" doesn't convince me.

But, I just love this anime. I don't know why, but I can't hate it.
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yukosatsu said:
Not sure if you already watched it, but (after 1 hour of painful research) I finally found it!

Here: https://www.bilibili.com/video/av23887617/ - or search "kado 12.5" on bilibili.

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As for my opinion, I like this new ending better... but still not good. This show was good for what it was, and it didn't need fighting scenes at all. Sayaka was... hm... a character that shoudn't exist, in my opinion. They should have negociated with ZaShunina, that's what this anime was about.

They removed the kid scenes, and THANKS GOD. I hated it so much, i'm so so so happy they removed it.

The ending felt really fast, not rushed tho, it wasn't that big of a scene, but "they 'fight' for 2 seconds, dissapear, and everything is back to normal" doesn't convince me.

But, I just love this anime. I don't know why, but I can't hate it.


I kinda agree with you, even if it doesn't change the story that much, I like the fact that the movie removed the useless scenes, especially the romance part with Saraka, Yukika's role in the end. In fact the anime at the start was really good and I also think it should have ended with some negociations between Shindo and ZaShunina.

I wish they could do a remake faithful to the original script written by Mado.
 
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I think this movie is better than the tv series. Zashunina realized that 2 copies of living being are not same, even his own copies were different from him. Shindou should have used that point to negotiate with him. I think the story will be more interesting if they're fighting using negotiation instead of physical attack.

When I read the synopsis the first time, I was kind of expecting negotiation story like Yugo the Negotiator but he was only negotiator at the beginning and became more like mediator afterwards.

Kirie-san said:
yukosatsu said:
Not sure if you already watched it, but (after 1 hour of painful research) I finally found it!

Here: https://www.bilibili.com/video/av23887617/ - or search "kado 12.5" on bilibili.

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As for my opinion, I like this new ending better... but still not good. This show was good for what it was, and it didn't need fighting scenes at all. Sayaka was... hm... a character that shoudn't exist, in my opinion. They should have negociated with ZaShunina, that's what this anime was about.

They removed the kid scenes, and THANKS GOD. I hated it so much, i'm so so so happy they removed it.

The ending felt really fast, not rushed tho, it wasn't that big of a scene, but "they 'fight' for 2 seconds, dissapear, and everything is back to normal" doesn't convince me.

But, I just love this anime. I don't know why, but I can't hate it.


I kinda agree with you, even if it doesn't change the story that much, I like the fact that the movie removed the useless scenes, especially the romance part with Saraka, Yukika's role in the end. In fact the anime at the start was really good and I also think it should have ended with some negociations between Shindo and ZaShunina.

I wish they could do a remake faithful to the original script written by Mado.


How do you know that Saraka was not in original script? Was it mentioned somewhere?
 
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Kirie-san said:
yukosatsu said:
Not sure if you already watched it, but (after 1 hour of painful research) I finally found it!

Here: https://www.bilibili.com/video/av23887617/ - or search "kado 12.5" on bilibili.

---

As for my opinion, I like this new ending better... but still not good. This show was good for what it was, and it didn't need fighting scenes at all. Sayaka was... hm... a character that shoudn't exist, in my opinion. They should have negociated with ZaShunina, that's what this anime was about.

They removed the kid scenes, and THANKS GOD. I hated it so much, i'm so so so happy they removed it.

The ending felt really fast, not rushed tho, it wasn't that big of a scene, but "they 'fight' for 2 seconds, dissapear, and everything is back to normal" doesn't convince me.

But, I just love this anime. I don't know why, but I can't hate it.


I kinda agree with you, even if it doesn't change the story that much, I like the fact that the movie removed the useless scenes, especially the romance part with Saraka, Yukika's role in the end. In fact the anime at the start was really good and I also think it should have ended with some negociations between Shindo and ZaShunina.

I wish they could do a remake faithful to the original script written by Mado.


Exactly my thoughts. This could have been a really good anime, but they kinda ruined it.
 
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@LeonLanford: I've read it on someone's tumblr and it seems that information comes from an interview with Mado (and apparently contained in the Blu-ray/DVD volumes).

@yukosatsu: Let's hope for a remake!
 
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Kirie-san said:
@LeonLanford: I've read it on someone's tumblr and it seems that information comes from an interview with Mado (and apparently contained in the Blu-ray/DVD volumes).

@yukosatsu: Let's hope for a remake!
Kirie-san said:
@LeonLanford: I've read it on someone's tumblr and it seems that information comes from an interview with Mado (and apparently contained in the Blu-ray/DVD volumes).

@yukosatsu: Let's hope for a remake!


Yeah! Let's hope <3
 
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I don't get why you all think this was better. All they did was cut out bunch of scenes. And some important ones just to remove the most hated parts.
But I felt like the ending ultimately was the same.
Shindo isn't around at all, likely dead. Even if he was alive, zaShunina is probably dead.
MAYBE he returned to the anisotropic but its never confirmed since there was nothing added to it. It's just more "open to interpretation." I guess that is apparently more satisfying? For me, not really.
Not only that, some of the best scenes were missing.

As for the Saraka hate. I don't think that's warranted. I like her until the half way point I guess. All they need to do is get rid of her superpower BS, and make her less tsundere childish.
Her relatively more conservative PoV is quite logical and relatable. If done properly, it would be a foil to Shindo and zaShunina who wants to advance the world. It would be a good way to present both side of the argument.
To advance society but at such pace, it would cause socioeconomic and political instability.
I also think the romance is fine. It wasn't necessary and could just be some side thing during the final minutes as an epilogue with their daughter and stuff.
Hanamori also wouldn't need to lose 16 years of his life either.

The plot didn't need that fight at all. Here is how I would of chose the ending.
Everything up to until the cloning of Shindo could be kept. And I think that showed zaShunina a lot of human characteristics. Instead of Saraka saving him from death. It could be where zaSuhina showed mercy and spared him by simply trapping him in Kado. After all, they are close friends. A clone of him is instead released.

Most of it proceed as in the anime where the nanomis-hein is distributed. ZaShunina shows displeasure despite a supposed exact clone of Shindo is around. ZaShunina would then go back to the real Shindo. Shindo convinces him to let humanity decide. ZaShunina gets rid of the clone secretly.
zaShunina then offers humanity as a whole to go to the anisotropic and leave it to a vote. Like a political debate; Shindo, Saraka, and zaShunina discuss the pros and cons on live television.

The vote is against going to the anisotropic, which can lead to zaShunina taking drastic measures as in the anime(forcefully expand kado)
But Shindo, via a tense intellectual discussion with zaShunina, convicnes the latter to give humanity time and let humans go at their own pace. zaShunina goes back to anisotropic and finally the epilogue.

I think that would be a comparatively better way to end things.
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