Golden Kamuy Episode 3 Discussion

ThreadFazer said:
Does this anime have taboo-es relationships between the two MC??? Cause i swear theres a Romance tag on the manga.

Skennes said:
This was more of a relaxing episode than the others but keeping the thrill.

Farabeuf said:
Loved that they kept the bit when the grandmother in Ainu tells Sugimoto to marry his granddaughter since no Ainu man will take her and Asirpa asserts how she's a new woman for a new age.

shazbotian said:

Relaxing?! Are you crazy?! That bear fight was nuts! Those dudes got wrecked.

All in all an improvement over past episodes. To be honest I was considering dropping this after after the last two, but this episode has raised my hopes.


Yes I thought that was great, and then Asirpa blushes and lies about what the obaasan said, some nice cuteness & humor in this otherwise bleak anime.

Speaking of bleak, doesn't seem like these two good souls stand any chance against the efforts of the 7th and the criminals lead by the katana guy ("boys just like to swing swords"? really???)... they need some more allies bad :-/

Also the bit with the wolf, she should definitely have let that wolf kill that guy. I've seen this kind of trope/foreshadowing before, its Shakespearian I think; doing the right thing can destroy something precious sometimes.

shazbotian said:

Relaxing?! Are you crazy?! That bear fight was nuts! Those dudes got wrecked.

All in all an improvement over past episodes. To be honest I was considering dropping this after after the last two, but this episode has raised my hopes.


Yes I thought that was great, and then Asirpa blushes and lies about what the obaasan said, some nice cuteness & humor in this otherwise bleak anime.

Speaking of bleak, doesn't seem like these two good souls stand any chance against the efforts of the 7th and the criminals lead by the katana guy ("boys just like to swing swords"? really???)... they need some more allies bad :-/

Also the bit with the wolf, she should definitely have let that wolf kill that guy. I've seen this kind of trope/foreshadowing before, its Shakespearian I think; doing the right thing can destroy something precious sometimes.

TheFahrenheit said:
Anyone knows how old Asirpa is, even if it is just an approximation? She seems more like a shorty than a kid to me.

Sharri said:
People need to know more about Ainu...
1st. They are not Japanese, they are Ainu, and were almost exterminated or assimilated by them. Think of them as of Indians of Japan. It helps a bit altough it's wrong on many levels.

Whoahoho said:
Ok, what Ainu words did we learned today"

Chitaptap- A kind of meat balls stew, where the meat of small wild game is minced and then formed into balls and boiled.

Hinna Hinna- Their way of saying ittadakimas.

Osoma- Means "SHIT".

Kuwatora Sisam, oharu or osoma omare wa e- The man I was who puts poop in his soup and eats it.....quite a insult to Asirpa's pursuer

Kotan-Village

Sisam- their reference to a Japanese who is not part of their tribe.

Sitaktak - clump of shit.

Somomop - Diaper

Tennep -Something sticky.

Asirpa's real name is Ekasiotompuy literally means she is her Grandfather's Asshole. her Nickname is Asirpa is either New Yaer or Future.


So Kamuy in ainu dialect probably means either spirit or god.

Man them Ainus do have quite a rich tradition, too bad that their discriminated by their own country men.

Teisatsu said:


Sisam means "Japanese person", but also "foreinger". Like the japanese words Gaijin/Gaikokujin.

But the Ainu language it's not a japanese dialect. It's a compleatly different language. Like American English is a compleatly different language from the Native American (Indian) languages.

"Their own country men"? Well... I guess they are. But it's more accurate to compare them with Sami, Inuit and Native Americans (First Nations in Canada). The Ainu lived in Ezo long before the Japanese came from the south and with time changed the name to Hokkaido.

Meta_Yoshi said:
Asirpa is starting to scare the crap out of "Immortal" Sugimoto now. I'm not sure whether to praise Asirpa here or give Sugimoto the look of shame right now. XD

Either way Asirpa was a joy to watch in this episode. The wolf came along to save her and rewarded him with a nice belly rub. After that cute scene, she showed Sugimoto her village and explained about the bear ritual and also the names they have until they turn a certain age and get proper names. At first, she was called "grandfather's asshole". Someone must've been drunk when they came up with that one, lol.

The CGI bear might've made a small return, but the animation is a good improvement over episodes one and two. Hopefully they'll keep this consistency for the rest of the series. =)

Looking forward to the next episode.

windeen-windy said:
Probably not something that most people would be interested in:
A lot of the Inuit and Native Americans have Ainu DNA. The Ainu came over here (North America) during the last ice age. They followed their prey over an ice bridge between Japan and North America.
And the Ezo wolves are also closely related to the North American Gray Wolf.
So the culture of Native Americans and Inuits take a lot from the Ainu culture.
Their clothes, instruments/tools and ways of hunting and living are/were quite similar.
At least from what I can tell about the research I've been doing, anyway.

Mywifesson said:
This anime is interesting because you never really get any exposure to the Ainu people, I feel like the author is kinda just making shit up though to make them look better than they actually are, the Japanese completely annihilated the Ainu, I doubt they were as cvilized or technologically or even militarily evolved as the Japanese. They are like asian Abbos.
The stuff about them being warriors is likely exaggerated just like Amerindians pretend the Apache were some kind of bad ass warrior tribe but they got stomped real quick. Though with our Indians it would make sense they have some kind of warrior skill as they were in a perpetual state of warring tribes, the Ainu on the other hand are the indigenous people of a small island and did not quarrel with any groups until the Japanese became advanced enough to crush them.

Teisatsu said:


Well, I'm interested. Thanks a lot for those facts! :D

windeen-windy said:

No problem!
Sometime before the American civil war, one of my ancestors was Native American. So I found it quite interesting. I found out about the DNA testing done between the Ainu & Native Americans, about 4-5 years ago (That must have been some MASSIVE ice bridge... I often wonder how many of them died (for one reason or another) between points A and B. And if their remains lay buried somewhere in the ocean to this day).

-_- I have a lot of useless info rolling around in my head.
It seems like the more useless it is, the more of it I collect lol.
I have more info about the subject, though if anyone is interested enough they could find it out from Google just as well (I think the main search I used was: "The Ainu connection to Native Americans" or something like that). So I'll spare saying any more for now.
I'm glad you found it interesting, though.
I don't want to annoy or bore others.

When I saw this anime, I was really excited when I read that one of the main characters is an Ainu girl.
I'm tempted to try the manga.
But from what I understand it is at times quite gross... And quite a bit more violent than the anime (really, I am fine not seeing the details of a guy having his face ripped off by a bear (i knew it happened all the same) or people eating animal eyes like candy)... But I'll probably still give the manga a try whenever the anime ends.... Unless by then I am completely turned off of the story. Which is not impossible.

About this episode:
I don't know how old Asripa (sp?) is supposed to be... I'm guessing somewhere between 12-15... But, once she's of legal age in the story- I'm with her grandma on this:
I really ship her with Sugimoto.
They are just so cute together! And really seem to understand each other well (he's a bit more accepting of her customs, than she is: of his, though...coughmisocough...)

Teisatsu said:



Keep those facts coming! They belong right here, in a discussion about an Ainu anime! "Ainume?" ;)

I also was very excited to finally see the Ainu people in an anime, but also to finally be able to hear their language be spoken. I live in northen Europe, and is a supporter of everything with the Sami culture and language, even though I unfortunately have no Sami blood in me.

I like that Asirpa really is her own kind of character. She's a little embarrassed of her grandmothers suggestion, but it's nowhere near the ordinary Japanese anime schoolgirls tiresome exaggerated reactions.

Teisatsu said:


I don't think anyone is "making shit up". The author, well informed as he is, isn't alone in this project, as he is supported by a lot of people from many Ainu associations and from the Ainu musum in Shiraoi. Also the Ainu people didn't just live on Hokkaido. They also lived in northern Honshū, the Kuril Islands, all over Sakhalin (along with the Oroks and Nivkhs) and also on the Kamchatka Peninsula.
I can't find any references to battles where the Ainu got "crushed" by the Japanese (or Russians). More likely they became assimilated by time during the 1900s.

Mywifesson said:


No they were completely crushed by the 1700s. The Japanese systematically claimed the entire island of Japan and relegated the ainu to second class citizens but allowed them to live, sure they integrated today, but this idea that they were on equal footing with the japanese is folly.

windeen-windy said:


I agree there. They were (and to a small degree from what I read, still are) oppressed by the Japanese government (more so for the Ainu living in Russia).
From what I understood, their culture is/was slowly encroached upon and parts were completely lost, by being outlawed/forced to do less of their traditions.
Similar to the Native Americans (though I only know of the Ainu fighting it a bit.
Where as the Native Americans (related to the Ainu about 25,000 years ago) rose up numerous times to fight what happened to them).

If the Ainu assimilated there, or the ones in Russia, it was not by choice. And it was done very grudgingly. At least, that's what I know from the research I've done.
I find it sad, that, while about 25,000 years separates the Ainu's ancestors from the Native American's, that BOTH groups of people were ultimately oppressed in similar ways.

Mywifesson said:


My guy, history is violence, the imperial age is the imperial age, there was no wrong doing on the part of the japanese, they fought and they won. Analagous to the situation with the Ameri Indians, there was no wrong doing on the part of the Americans the tribes were constantly fighting each other scalping eachother and were not nomadic before the Americans came, then they fought for 400 years and Americans won. The Japanese and the Europeans were just the more powerful and more evolved race.

What I meant with my original comment is rather than do a sober commentary on the Ainu this anime is seeking to not offend by painting their actions no matter how strange or uncivilized, and their military prowess, no matter how unrefined, in this SJW current world view to events that happened over 300 years ago

windeen-windy said:

As for the Europeans and what they did when they came here. They raped and pillaged and, in cases, they tortured the NA Indians.
They forced them out of their lands, into other places (ever hear about the trail of tears? If not, your schooling was inadequate).
My guess is that you are the type to not sway from your beliefs. I'm a Republican, I'm patriotic, and love my country. However, what was done to the Indians was wrong. Most of them were NOT nomatic.
Only a small percentage of them were and just because they might have been "uncivilized" and "savages" as they were often labeled, did NOT give any other entity the right to treat them the horrible way that they were treated.
I was agreeing with you in my original comment reply to you, but you really managed to get me annoyed quite fast, first needlessly referring to me that way, and second insulting some of my ancestors (mind you, that if only a few, the rest are Europeans, so I have nothing against the Europeans).
Also- the Native Americans, are the original Americans.

This comment from you:
"Analagous to the situation with the Ameri Indians, there was no wrong doing on the part of the Americans the tribes were constantly fighting each other scalping eachother and were not nomadic before the Americans came, then they fought for 400 years and Americans won. The Japanese and the Europeans were just the more powerful and more evolved race."
Shows how little you know:
The ones who came were not "Americans" when they came.
They were Europeans.
Saying "the Americans won" when talking about the Europeans VS the NATIVE AMERICANS is really: ignorant.
"more evolved race"? Seriously?
No, correction: that is stupid and down-right racist.

Teisatsu said:


First of all, I agree with you.

Personally, I resent almost everything that has to do with exaggerative nationalism, imperialism and colonialism. I don't care if it was the Roman Empire, or the horrible 1600s, 1700s, 1800s or early 1900s. It was wrong then and it is still wrong today to conquer other peoples land; rape, kill and oppress the natives, just to to exploit their natural resources. The Europeans had no right to colonize Africa, nor conquer America, and creating the Triangular slave trade. Myself as a Swede/Finn is ashamed of our own colony in prestent Ghana, and our raping and killing Germans and Poles during the Thirty Years' War. And also co-create Race biology as a science (in Uppsala) just to oppress the Sami with it. Then we have the British Empire, who stood as a model and inspiration to the Japanese, when they got "civilized" and therefore created their "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere". And then all the imperialism went to bring us to hell in the 1930s and 40s...

One can really wonder what cultures that counts as "civilized" and "uncivilized". Today many in the western world still se the indigenous peolpe around the world as "savages", but it wasn't that many years ago that Christian civilized Protestants and Catholics still bombed each other away in Norhern Ireland, because their beliefs.

(Great! My spelling tool for English just stopped working. So I hope you can overlook any spelling mistakes, since English is'nt my first nor best language)

Dizzee said:
Was he eating actual poop?

AyunaAni said:
The episode was a thrilling one but now worth mentioning. This was an informative episode about the Ainu people's traditions and practices. Which (at a certain degree) is helpful in real life as well.

I wonder, how many episodes it would take to find all those prisoners.