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Apr 5, 2018 6:53 PM

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what the fuck am I watching? It feels like I'm watching a really bad upscaled 360p video with blurry stuff everywhere (no I'm not talking about its retro artstyle)

this is Ashita no Joe at its native resolution, looks really good and sharp


here is Megalo Box, really blurry clusterfuck when fullscreen
https://i.imgur.com/4PHfbZQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/i30AUCf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ysdt9mK.jpg
(just click to look at fullsize)

this literally hurts my eyes, this is so stupid
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Apr 5, 2018 7:08 PM
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I thought I was the only one.
 
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Apr 5, 2018 7:11 PM

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jeff666p said:
I thought I was the only one.
It's just really bad. it seems their idea of "retro-like anime" is by making it bad 1995 DVD low-res quality. Do they really not know that they can make it retro-style while still making it sharp, not-upscaled looking? even the infamous "really bad art-style" like Ping Pong the Animation is still looking sharp and not blurry at all.
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Apr 5, 2018 7:14 PM

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Yeah, I was wondering about this myself.
 
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Apr 5, 2018 7:25 PM

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It's called cutting corners.

As for me, it felt like a 4:3 aspect ratio that has been truncated on top and bottom to obtain 16:9. But I think I am okay with the way it is. In fact I liked it.
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It's called cutting corners.

As for me, it felt like a 4:3 aspect ratio that has been truncated on top and bottom to obtain 16:9. But I think I am okay with the way it is. In fact I liked it.
I guess they knew that people will eat their shit anyway
well well well
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Apr 5, 2018 7:46 PM

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I guess they knew that people will eat their shit anyway


Too early to tell if they won't use the resources they are saving now to use in the actual fight scenes later in the anime.
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Apr 5, 2018 8:07 PM

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It's definitely weird. Maybe they're saving the hi-res version for the blu-ray? If that's the case, that's a really bad move from them.
 
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Apr 5, 2018 9:58 PM
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I really wanna watch this show, however, this is 2018 and it looks like this really like something from 1990s or early 2000 before having blue ray remasters. I feel like this was a mistake because it does not look good, i most likely just watch BD release if the next ep looks like this.
 
Apr 5, 2018 10:01 PM

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It didn't bother me so much. I thought it gave it a Retro-ish aesthetic. Also the Art and the Anmation are the best of the Season up to now.


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Apr 5, 2018 10:05 PM
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no anime studio draws in less than 720p anymore so maybe its just either artistic choice or bad encoding by CrunchyRoll

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sakugablog have proof that its artistic choice by the anime staff here

The blurry elephant in the room is of course their unique approach to the composite, which has proven to be both controversial and a source of misunderstandings. Ever since the early stages of the project, director Moriyama simply couldn’t envision a series like this with the crisp visuals you’d get in a new anime nowadays; sure he could ask the team to make the linework thicker than usual, but to get a result reminiscent of the cel era he barely was a part of but that he loves nonetheless, they needed something more substantial. And as he admits, the answer they arrived to was intentionally roughening up the visuals, not really to go along with the gritty art direction as has been speculated, but explicitly to make it feel like an old production. Since Moriyama thought that simply overlaying a bunch of grain effects on it would be harsh on the eye, they also intentionally downscaled the footage and then upscaled it back – hence why many people have gotten the feeling that it feels like SD material, which it technically is despite the assets originally being produced as if it were a regular high-definition title.

https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2018/04/09/production-highlights-megalo-box-01/
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Apr 5, 2018 10:24 PM

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Wtf is up with that? Hope its fixed soon.
 
Apr 5, 2018 10:42 PM

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I think this is intentional. It didnt bother me at all, i kinda liked it actually lol
 
Apr 5, 2018 10:59 PM
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Don't judge a great anime based on its cover.
 
Apr 5, 2018 11:29 PM
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I m not sure is animation important for this anime :)
I'm watching it and it's really good the main thing is enjoyment
I waited this anime for long time inside shit Loli + rainbow spectrum animes so yes, even they draw shit I would like it.
 
Apr 5, 2018 11:32 PM
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Definitely an artistic choice I can do without. But whether or not it adds to the style of the series can be determined when the fights happen.
 
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Erm, picture sharpness doesn't really have anything to do with cutting corners.


By cutting corners I meant saving on the budget so that they can use the resources in the fight scenes later.

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Apr 6, 2018 5:59 AM
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It was obviously intentionally dude...
 
Apr 6, 2018 6:09 AM

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kami_12 said:
It was obviously intentionally dude...
"It's bad on purpose, so it's fine"
heh
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GangsterCat said:
kami_12 said:
It was obviously intentionally dude...
"It's bad on purpose, so it's fine"
heh


it wasn't bad for me atleast...
 
Apr 6, 2018 6:20 AM

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you have to draw 2 times less if everything is zoomed x2
 
Apr 6, 2018 7:29 AM

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kami_12 said:
GangsterCat said:
"It's bad on purpose, so it's fine"
heh


it wasn't bad for me atleast...
and it's not bad for most of the comments and thoughts in Youtube, Twitter, Crunchyroll, Reddit, Other forums, and not-so-legal websites, it's only a select few that complain about this "problem"
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shanimebib said:
rvbrick said:
Erm, picture sharpness doesn't really have anything to do with cutting corners.


By cutting corners I meant saving on the budget so that they can use the resources in the fight scenes later.

Yeah, that still isn't enough to "cut corners" enough, it's not that hard of a process from what I hear from animator Q&A's(but they could be lying or downplaying, so who knows for 100% sure)
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GangsterCat said:
shanimebib said:
It's called cutting corners.

As for me, it felt like a 4:3 aspect ratio that has been truncated on top and bottom to obtain 16:9. But I think I am okay with the way it is. In fact I liked it.
I guess they knew that people will eat their shit anyway
well well well

It's not sharp enough but it works, I guess. Actually, I had problem getting used to it but it couldn't be helped... I guess?
Anyway, your new avatar sucks donkey balls, you know.
 
Apr 6, 2018 11:45 AM
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lol............
 
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shanimebib said:
It's called cutting corners.

As for me, it felt like a 4:3 aspect ratio that has been truncated on top and bottom to obtain 16:9. But I think I am okay with the way it is. In fact I liked it.


I liked it too.

Putting aside the resolution for a moment, I think that the musics matched quite well the scenes and their atmospheres.
 
Apr 6, 2018 4:20 PM

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I do not think this is intentional. They already have an 'older' look to the show, yet the area around the lines is blurry - more than likely a production error or encoding issue.

Check out the preview for example: https://youtu.be/-j8sX95vkfc

Very crisp around the edges of lines.

Hopefully it is fixed for the next episode.
 
Apr 6, 2018 7:02 PM
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I don't understand what you're talking about, an animation doesn't always need to be pretty,I personally look at all the elements and this series looks good. It is a fact that is not visually clear but when it tries it has good scenes, not only that, this is part of its retro style of cyberpunk or dystopic world.
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Apr 6, 2018 8:10 PM

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Let's wait for the VHS release for the fixes.


This. Already having production issues with the first episode smh.
 
Apr 6, 2018 8:22 PM

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I like it, gives everything a strong nostalgic vibe.
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Apr 6, 2018 9:21 PM

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Agree with you there man, I was seriously confused. It's so weird that it's hurting my eyes, my vision is terrible enough so watching this in bed without glasses is killing me. Even with glasses I feel like I had none on...? I'll be honest this MIGHT ruin the experience for me (we'll have to see if the fight scenes make up for it), I've dropped anime solely on art-style before and this isn't straying to far from that. Though I have no problem with the art-style, it reminds of a mix between Samurai Champloo, Afro Samurai, and weirdly enough Avatar TLA, but when you make it look blurry as all hell, I can't. The plot is so good and this first episode had me hype for the next, I seriously don't understand why they didn't just make it full HD, for nostalgic reasons I'd understand but for youngins like me, I love a clean and HD animation prod.
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Apr 6, 2018 10:16 PM
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It's intentional dude, what do you want a fucking No Game no Life visuals on this anime?
 
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I for one liked the art. Gives a retro fealing but with fluwid animation. But i liked art before 2005 more anyway than todays cuteness and bright color.
 
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shanimebib said:
rvbrick said:
Erm, picture sharpness doesn't really have anything to do with cutting corners.


By cutting corners I meant saving on the budget so that they can use the resources in the fight scenes later.



This was clearly made with post processing, this doesn't have anything to do with budget. Jesus it's 2018 and people are still blaming "Budget" for the quality of the animation.
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shanimebib said:
rvbrick said:
Erm, picture sharpness doesn't really have anything to do with cutting corners.


By cutting corners I meant saving on the budget so that they can use the resources in the fight scenes later.

Thats not how budget works
 
Apr 7, 2018 2:02 AM

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Lets hope this will not be a thing animators do in the future making it bad on purpose, maybe they should've aired it in 4:3 too while at it cuz of the retro "feel".
 
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Some people (especially old school guys like me) really don't care about image quality, resolution and all that shit. It can actually be a turn on compared to graphically well-made animes with garbage content like we've had in the past 10 years or so. To take another example, the new LOGH anime is absolutely gorgeous in terms of production and overall "crispness' but the original is MUCH better in terms of character design and direction, so despite the obvious animation flaws, I'd say that artsitically speaking, the old LOGH is better thant the new one. And Megalo Box, despite its bad image quality, is one of the most attractively drawn, animated and directed animes of the season. It almost feels like it's hand-drawn and not made on a computer - which it obviousy is - thus the retro feeling. And like someone said before, "I don't like [today animes'] cuteness and bright colors", that's why Megalo Box and Devilman Crybaby are the top 2 animes of the year so far for me ;)

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Apr 7, 2018 8:22 AM

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Yeah, it's truly a shame that it's so low-res, especially since the linework looks so detailed otherwise.

Nehza said:
I seriously don't understand why they didn't just make it full HD, for nostalgic reasons I'd understand but for youngins like me, I love a clean and HD animation prod.

As somebody who grew up with 80s & 90s anime and who is a big fan of CEL animation, this is a disgrace to that era of animation. We have BluRay releases of vintage shows for a reason, and that's because the art was so incredible back then that it's nice to see them remastered.
Nostalgia totally isn't an excuse for Megalo Box's production company fucking up the post-processing so terribly. Like others have said, I'm worried they're doing this to drive BluRay sales, and if that's the case, I worry about the future of TV anime.

Like, if that's the case, what next? Just air a show with a giant mosaic over the whole image?
"uh uh uh, you gotta buy the BluRay to truly watch the episode"

Okay, maybe that's a little overblown, but still! If they're willing to handicap a broadcast episode like this, what else would they be willing to chop off of the broadcast version to push them BDs?
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it doesn't matter to me how bad the quality the animation looks perfectly great and i'm loving the plot, but funny though! is it me or it's kinda gives the same vibe as Real Steel the movie?
it's great anyways and looking forward for more!
 
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Wow, it's like filters shitposting last season.
 
Apr 7, 2018 12:24 PM

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I think it was their choice and I like it
 
Apr 7, 2018 12:28 PM

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It didn't bother me and in fact I liked it, brings the early 2000s vibe
 
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first world problems lol

 
Apr 7, 2018 3:32 PM

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Theleux said:

Check out the preview for example: https://youtu.be/-j8sX95vkfc

Very crisp around the edges of lines.

Looks exactly the same as in CR version, the only thing that's sharp is white japanese characters in black background, everything else is blurry
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kami_12 said:
It was obviously intentionally dude...
"It's bad on purpose, so it's fine"
heh


"heh", you aren't an anime character, stop it.
 
Apr 7, 2018 4:22 PM
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If you don't like it.. Why do you watch it? I personally like the old stuff... It reminds me of Cowboy Bebop or Samurai Champloo. I rather have this then those garbage animes these days...
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Budget anime LUL , but I would take over some new animes everyone takes whats they enjoy the most and maybe OP , you got a bad video in wherever you watched it , I assume that will be a better version of that because I do think they made it with such bad quality I mean If ever want to watch this on 60" tv I will see almost every pixel of that animation.
 
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its weird, there were times i loved how it looked and others where i felt like i was going blind, the animation (and tolerance of watching older shows in shit quality) kind of made up for me

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It was a stupid decision for them to make. If they wanted it to look like ass then they should let people choose. Just make the show at 1080p and then let people download the shit looking version. Older shows don't look this bad they have added some stupid effect to make it look blurry. I watch a lot of really old shows and they don't ever look as bad as this.

I haven't seen the full episode yet because I'm waiting to see if they release a better version.
 
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