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Apr 5, 2018 3:24 AM

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Major_Gilbert said:
Not bad. Glad that I'm dead. Well there's still a chance, but what good will it do...
Hahaha nice one nice one x)
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Apr 5, 2018 3:26 AM

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By the way what about the last client ? in the last 30 secs ? pretty sure they tried to make us think that was gilbert but... who is it?
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Apr 5, 2018 3:35 AM

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It was hard to keep watching because of the pace, but this second half was pretty enjoyable.
Off to the LN we go ^^
Apr 5, 2018 3:41 AM
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GreenEmu said:
In all likelihood, the new anime project is going to be a movie.

BussianRiasXD said:
An accurate adaption from Kyoani? Don't even think about it. The new project is most likely a movie to portray the after story. Gilbert will stay dead I assume.

Yeah, even if I want a remake, I don't think they'll make one. I've finally seen the last episode and it wasn't that bad. Of course I'm disappointed by how it's different from the novel, but at least the story is consistent. Some episodes were really moving, it has beautiful visuals and musics. And I'm curious about the new project.
Apr 5, 2018 3:56 AM

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Well thats was the last letter of the week + another crying.

I don't know about the novel but its too much for me to feel new char every week and the repeat.

6/10 for me.

Major_Gilbert said:
Not bad. Glad that I'm dead. Well there's still a chance, but what good will it do...

I don't even need to know the spoiler to understand this XD
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Apr 5, 2018 4:17 AM

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Good old 6/10 show.
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Apr 5, 2018 4:31 AM

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I am a little disappointed at the last considering the level that episode 9 had; but already this, a nice ending and leaving the future OVA to close the series. The series in consideration I give an 8, since I liked seeing it every week.


Me decepciona un poco el final considerando el nivel que tuvo el episodio 9; pero ya esta, un final agradable y dejando el futuro OVA para cerrar la serie. La serie en consideración le doy un 8, ya que me gusto verla cada semana.
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Apr 5, 2018 4:36 AM
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Nice shot. A few flat, not bad, but slow episodes in the middle. However, a great ending few episodes.

The one with the mother passing away and lawing behind 50 letters was beautiful.

The finale showed Violet's growth and was really nice. The whole show might have been slow and possibly, maybe drawn out. But I loved every second of it.
Apr 5, 2018 4:43 AM

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I'm reculantly giving it a 6/10.
It's visually outstanding but the story and episodes started to get really formulatic and predictable, which made the feelsy moments really bland.
I also think Violet as a character was pretty uninteresting for most of the time and sometimes even Mary Sue-ish.
Apr 5, 2018 4:43 AM

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absolutely adore this many emotions.
cause MAL is doing there job for once.
Apr 5, 2018 4:47 AM

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hellogarry said:
ImAWeebUwU said:
Fitting ending to the adaptation. Garbage and garbage.
Kyoani killed Gilbert, which was the entire point of the novels, but well.. they announced more VE work, so we can suffer some more.. great. 1/10

I don't think that's the entire point of the novel. It's not about the romance.

I believe it's more of the journey that Violet took to be able to feel emotion and to connect with people rather than staying as emotionless tool for killing.

What Gilbert truly wants is for her to be free and become normal.

Yes, it's heartbreaking that they didn't meet but we got the Light Novel for that.

The novel was more of other people's perspective about Violet so we didn't really saw 'much' of her growing up as a person (we didn't even see her cry that much like in the anime).
On the other hand the anime show her struggling more on learning new skills (being a doll), the novel just made her into a perfect doll from the get go.

I never said anything about romance.
And they could've showed us Violet crying and getting emotions without killing Gilbert off. Kyoani scriptwriters are just terrible at doing things. Why would they even change such a good novel and turn it into this garbage?
Apr 5, 2018 4:50 AM

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An excellent ending for an outstanding show. I hope that in her falter and blush at the end, she looked up and saw Gilbert. Maybe we'll know for certain some day.

There is always war somewhere in our world, and therefor there are always loved ones who are left behind, and veterans who are no longer whole. I think this show is something that might be of help to them, at least a little.
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Apr 5, 2018 5:02 AM
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can someone translate the next anime project screen that popped up right at the very end?
Apr 5, 2018 5:09 AM
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OI OI OI OI OI OI MATE WTF'S THAT ENDING =AHHAHAHAHAH I COULDN'T STOP LAUGHING, not because it was bad, but it took me by surprise, the kind of cliffhanger open ending like code geass s2 xD
Apr 5, 2018 5:14 AM

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I don't care what other people say, I loved the shit out of this show. <3
Apr 5, 2018 5:19 AM

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OK, so lets get this out of the way:

Is this show as good as everyone who hyped it said it would be? No.
Is it still worth a watch? Yes.

While the technical aspect is pretty much flawless, there are a lot of things I would change about the story. First of all, have some balls and kill the mayor for good. Have Violet find his corpse or something and make her move on. I really hoped she wouldn't cling onto that hope in the end, I really hoped that she would have moved on with her life, but I guess not.

Then again, it's understandable seeing what the mayor did for her. What isn't understandable to me is how the flying fuck a 13/14 year old girl gets into a battlefield and starts slaughtering batallions with only a knife. If she followed the mayor to the war out of loyalty, despite having no combat prowess, and then the mayor died trying to protect her because of that, she would be a more believable character.

Now moving to the good side of this show. Despite a dreadfully slow start, the second half is waaay better than the first. It has good stories, and my personal favourite is the one where the sick mother writes the letters for her future daughter to read after she dies. That was genuinely emotional even if some might say that it "tried too hard", and if I'm going to remember anything about this series, that story would be it. Also, while Violet doesn't have a believable background, I think that her development was handled nicely, despite her still believing that the mayor is alive.

So, what score does it get? Well, it would be a 5 or 6 if it wasn't for that one story and how beautiful visually the series is, and i think that those things deserve quite a bit of praise.

Apr 5, 2018 5:25 AM

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<confirms Gilbert is dead unlike in the LN

13 episodes and over 4 hours wasted for an anime that can be explained like that: "This anime is about a robot chick getting to know her boss is dead " and nothing more. Side characters were more enjoyable than the main one.

Moral of the story? Dead people are dead.
Apr 5, 2018 5:48 AM

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After the misleading trailers/teasers, I'm sure everyone was expecting a huge anime, with epic fights as well, etc.

To be honest, the anime didn't live up to the hype it received during the teasers, but I'm not that disappointed.

The main story is a bit tricky, I'd say. The story, the climax itself was barely interesting. For me at least. I loved seeing how Violet kept growing up. It was an episodic series for most of the time, but we could see how all these episodes led up to Violet's maturity. I'd say the character development was much more interesting than the story itself. She learnt to live without orders, etc.

I was expecting more, but it was a good anime, nonetheless.
Apr 5, 2018 5:48 AM

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Why are you all writing that Gilbert is dead? The last client was Gilbert for sure!
Apr 5, 2018 6:05 AM
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Very enjoyable show with a decent ending and spectacular animation as it’s highlight. A few episodes stand out over others as most told seperate stories but the majority were engaging. Wouldn’t call it a masterpiece but it certainly isn’t “trash” like some people are calling it.
Apr 5, 2018 6:09 AM
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Sobbing, I can't believe they ended it like that!!!! I LOVE IT and UGHHH Benedict in this epiSODEee😭❤️I don't think I've ever watched a single one without shedding at LEAST a couple tears. The OST is absolutely STUNNING and Violet's character development ripped my heart out and restored it again. Idk why everyone is being so harsh, this is a 12/10 for me.

I refuse to believe the Major is dead too lol I'm sitting eXtRa tight for the next season, hopefully we get some more time with Leon aswell!
Apr 5, 2018 6:16 AM
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Nice ending! I liked this anime I rated 8/10
Apr 5, 2018 6:30 AM

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Loved the ending tbh. But I'm gonna find it hard to rate the anime because there were either eps that were amazing or com0letely disappointing...
I'm also glad they changed up from the novel since the things I read about the novel weren't as interesting.
Btw are the novels over?
Apr 5, 2018 6:45 AM
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Its over finally, a 9/10 series for me.....great series.

I'm curious about the ending tho...who the person on the door with violet? Why did violet paused when she introduce her self when she saw the person?
Apr 5, 2018 6:51 AM

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A really impressive last episode. =)

The conclusion to the action on the train was intense, as Violet did well to dis-arm the bombs on the bridge. Same goes for Benedict too, for the only action I've seen him do at all in this show! XD

But this episode still had a lot of emotional punch though, as the meeting between Violet and Gilbert and Dietfried's mother went by on a sombre note.

The ending was really good too, as we hear a lot of the letters from the other characters, with Hodgins being one of my favourite letters being read out loud by Benedict. Violet's letter was still the best of the letters by far, which also had a strong emotional punch to the scene with her words and her expressions.

All in all, Violet Evergarden had a lot to live up to the rather ridiculously unrealistic hype placed on itself. Of course it wouldn't match it all the way, as the earlier episodes after the pilot episode was slow and uneventful at times. But the second half really got into its stride and never looked back. with episode 10 being the only episode that I'd consider to be of masterpiece quality.

Kyoto Animation continues to do an excellent job with the visuals and animation and praise must go to the soundtrack as well. Very well done. =)

9/10 is my final score and I look forward to the new project that KyoAni has for Violet Evergarden in the future.
Apr 5, 2018 6:54 AM

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Sigh - to much of KyoAni being.. themselves- and to much source material deviation for my taste; I always expect some (its hard to make a fully loyal adaption of most LNs or even mangas) But this almost might as well be another parallel universe. 7/10 some 'good feels' and 'good animation' But a poor adaption of the material in my humble opinion.

I don't hold to much hope for the special announcement to 'fix' any of the source material stuff; likely another client etc; but if the manga to actually do something right with the 'ova/special' might bump it up to a 7.5+
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Apr 5, 2018 6:58 AM

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I liked the show, it had some meh episodes but also some that I probably won't forget any time soon, like the episode with mother's letters and the one where princess has to marry.

Finale was good and I enjoyed watching Violet develop throughout the show. It is also one of the most beautiful looking shows I've seen. Soundtrack was good too. Looking forward to the OVA and the new project.
Apr 5, 2018 7:25 AM

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The last client was Lelouch not GIlbert...he is getting ready for season 3

Apr 5, 2018 7:44 AM

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That was very emotional. I actually liked this series even though I found it very boring in the beginning. Anyway 8 or 9/10 I dont know that choose. :/
Apr 5, 2018 7:49 AM
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SalmonSandwich said:
All in all a solid 7/10 show for me.

Adding Gilbert mother at the end with Dietfried's final "order" to Violet, and also them adding a bit of flying letters festival at the end was a nice touch! Violet's letter narration at the end was a nice melancholic end to the series, and to Violet saying one final "goodbye" to Gilbert. Looks like they are keeping Gilbert dead so far in the main TV series at least, which I think it is a good decision since they never alluded to it like the LN.

The show did drop its ball here and there with certain depictions of characters through its writing, visual design, or with the lack of explaining of certain events. Like how the heck is Benedict a freaking James Bond action hero all of a sudden in the finale? Kicking a bomb mid jump off a train on the bridge?!! Or Cattelya character design not matching her new persona for the anime? Or that they barely touch on how Violet met Dietfried, so Dietfried's initial animosity is never really fully unraveled to the viewers, so he just comes off as a dick to Violet instead?
However all in all the most important part to the whole series was conveyed well. A satisfying emotional tale of a young character dealing with grief and PTSD after a period of intense war, everything else was just supportive to this idea IMO. It touched upon how hard it is too adjust to civilian life that most shows don't really expand on for soldiers coming home from war. They really went all out with Violet development where they made me initially annoyed with Violet's beginning to fully empathizing with her by the end. (Which is the normal reaction I guess in hindsight to empathizing with people coming back from trauma, that failure/struggle to empathize and understand. Even getting annoyed sometimes?)

Animation was fantastic throughout, but I think I rather prefer simpler character designs with more expressive animation versus detailed designs with limited movements after experiencing Kyoto Animation go all out in the character designs. Film Composition did get tad annoying with the over-usage of depth of field effects, and the old photo film effect did make majority of the colors look desaturated and washed out then it should have intended.
The visual development artists definitely went all out for this series, since I was initially worried Kyoto Animation might not be able to do location designs outside of modern day Japan, but they nailed it. World building was fantastic not just visually, such as creating realistic but unique fantastic locations like the city of Leiden which combined Victorian and Mediterranean aesthetics, but also narratively with the nations of Flugel and Drossel, and its love letter tying with the peace effort after the war.

Looks like they are doing a sequel film/ova? Probably something similar to Kyokai no Kanata or Chuunibyou's sequel movie. Hope they don't drop the ball on that one. For me the series is finished, it wrapped up all major plot points and ended satisfyingly with no big loose ends. Only thing left I want them to depict is Violet's past with Dietfried and her initial life as a soldier before deployment. (barrack test please...)

uhm .. did you have to write down that spoiler ? .. ?? ? Maybe there's just one or the other person that was looking forward to reading the LN ... ......
Apr 5, 2018 7:57 AM
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The action was quite enjoyable, although them holding onto the bridge like that seemed rather unrealistic. I loved the anime from the beginning to the end, one of my favourite shows so far :D As in almost all of the episodes I was in tears at the end of them and especially seeing Violet finally having become a quote on quote "personality" that knows what feelings are just made me excessively happy :')
They really had me thinking that the person at the doorstep was Gilbert
but it turns out to not be him, I'm quite confident in that opinions since honestly, if it was for Gilbert, Violet would have exploded from happiness and not kept telling her sentence, she does have feelings after all, only that she is not quite sure of the why's and how's of them.
Apr 5, 2018 8:22 AM
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After that spectacular beginning I was hoping that this was going to be truly special. Alas, the almost overwhelming beauty of the art and animation was not matched by the story. Too much pathos porn at points and somewhat formulaic at others. The ending was well done though.
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Apr 5, 2018 8:37 AM

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Nikorin said:
Why are you all writing that Gilbert is dead? The last client was Gilbert for sure!

Not for sure, but it gave us a chance that it could be him, although it could be also somebody dear to Violet, because now she can feel and express emotions normally, so it was a two meaning ending, which I really liked.

All in all, this show had some gem episodes, and some pretty average/boring ones, I think 7/10 would do it justice.
Apr 5, 2018 8:40 AM
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juste parfait et je vous baise les rageux en mode c'est de la merde niqué vous bien ^^
Apr 5, 2018 8:47 AM

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Decent Final Episode.

4/10 Overall.
Apr 5, 2018 8:59 AM

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I'm thankful for this masterpiece. Each episode contained different kind of emotions that made them delightful to watch. Violet's attempt of flying with magical parasol is definitely one of the best animation I've ever seen. Episode 10 ending made me cry. The most important part of this show was Violet's character development. Massive respect to the author.

Apr 5, 2018 9:06 AM

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Well damn I want some more, yeah ova or movie for this beautiful drama. Although I haven't read the LN, I felt there's still content that could be cover and some characters arent fleshed out enough especially Cattleia, Benedict and Dietfried. Kyoani knows how to pull emotions with constant beautiful animation. GJ!
Apr 5, 2018 9:16 AM

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The peace talk saved and everyone coming to terms with the dead ones.
Everyone writing letters to themselves and gilbert at the end presumably.
9/10 it was great quality wise.
Apr 5, 2018 9:40 AM

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Aaaaaah I cannot express it in words how much I came to fall in love with this series. It feels a little empty now that we won't get a 14th episode after all and I'm not too fond of the idea of waiting until July to know of what didn't get to be aired. But I still feel like the show got a real conclusion to itself and I found the ending highly satisfying. The only thing I didn't like as much was the very unsatisfying cliffhanger in the end, but I have hopes for it being resolved in the 14th episode "special" in July.

But I couldn't ask for anything more of a near masterpiece. The concept in itself is really wonderful and right after I watched the ending I started looking after the novel itself to experience the story again from another perspective. Too bad it's not actually licensed in English. But the fact that it was KyoAni that animated the series just made the whole watching experience so much better with their out-of-this-world animation skills.

At this point, the whole series itself is definitely my current pick of "anime of the Year"
Apr 5, 2018 9:49 AM

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the finale episode was so was so emotional packed... I let out a tear here and there...still wanting and hoping that the major is still alive...a memorable series indeed
Apr 5, 2018 9:55 AM

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This was a really nice ending. Haven't an event where people can say good bye to their loved ones in that way is a really good mental health measure. I wish that was spread more, it could help so many people let go.
Overall, I don't care what the elitists who just love to hate on mainstream shows say, this was an objectively good anime. 9/10.

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Apr 5, 2018 10:05 AM

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Sephyros said:
By the way what about the last client ? in the last 30 secs ? pretty sure they tried to make us think that was gilbert but... who is it?

Who knows... It's probably someone we know, considering that smile. Might reveal the customer in the special episode.

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Apr 5, 2018 10:13 AM

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So is Claudia x Cattleya canon?

Apr 5, 2018 10:39 AM
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The face she made at the end.. Was it Gilbert behind that door? Oh... Uhhh I DONT FUCKING KNOW WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR JULY
Apr 5, 2018 10:41 AM

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_ The story is interesting but the way it is told wasn't.
_ Great visuals.
_ Not so likable MC who's voice always triggered me in the wrong manner.
Side characters with potential (Cattleya, Hodgins) but nothing came out of it. They just kept the focus on Violet but she was precisely the problem/weakness of the show. At least they managed to make some character development with Dietfried.
_ Some actions scene were great (the first ones) some other didn't make any sense realistically (the later ones).

This should have been an easy 9 or 10 for Kyoani and in the end I'm just disappointed. Wasted potential and I'll keep saying this director does shit (as far as my taste is concerned of course).

2 rand notes :

_ the highlight of this episode for me is when Violet was saying "i love you" but with such an inappropriate military vocabulary "Your orders means everything to me" and "I want to follow your orders (until the the end of the world or end of my life)" that even the sensitive Gilbert didn't understand her. I think that was truly beautiful and dramatic (for once).

_ all the novel readers not realizing they were spoiling parts of the story, even outside their spoiler buttons. Using your brain is hard. I didn't care much, so no problem. It made me smile :)
Apr 5, 2018 10:57 AM

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Not a happy ending but definitely not a sad one either. Just perfect, life goes on, I love it... except... NOOOO!!! WAS THAT GILBERT? WAS THAT NOT GILBERT? I need to know!!! I'll go with no, but you never know. Probably just a familiar face?
Apr 5, 2018 11:04 AM

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Absolutely beautiful from beginning to end.
Apr 5, 2018 11:35 AM

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Lucident said:

uhm .. did you have to write down that spoiler ? .. ?? ? Maybe there's just one or the other person that was looking forward to reading the LN ... ......

Was hesitant at first, but I realized how redundant imo it was to spoiler that since majority of the people on this thread already revealed it, and since majority of the novel is spoiled if you watched this far? Also Gilbert's death was revealed to be a ruse and never the driving narrative/mystery pretty early in the source material so :/...
Apr 5, 2018 11:42 AM

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"And if I can ever see you again, I want to let you know...
that the phrase "I love you" ...
I understand it a little now."

Best ending they could have done! I was really hoping that she would learn that Major Gilbert was still alive, but now that a new project has been announced there is still hope for that! This was an emotional journey that had me in tears every week! The stories of love, loss, and friendship were touching. Violet's growth from a tool for war to a beautiful young lady with some understanding of emotions was quite the journey! I loved this one and overall it was a 9/10 for me!
So glad that I'm not a huge manga reader, because the manga readers WHINE WAY TOO MUCH and have to RUIN every adapted anime for the ANIME ONLY WATCHERS!
Apr 5, 2018 11:46 AM

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Oh boy am I gonna miss this show.
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