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Apr 3, 2018 1:17 PM

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I should clarify, when I said Creators in Pack do good work, I meant that I've enjoyed watching their other shorts. I didn't mean they do good animation. ;) I didn't watch Netsuzou TRap.

JuStS0mE0nE said:
hmmm,so that's how it works,so the blame is not on the studio as they only do their job with the money they get from the producers,so those production companies pick a manga and start investing it and multiple companies can cooperate in funding a project and when they collect a certain amount of money they hire a studio.but in this manga's case only 1 producer took interest in it and other producers didn't bother.just some questions:
1.so every anime is the choice of producers and studios are just workers under them right?
2.what job does producers have other than funding money?do they have a role in picking voice actors or something and who does advertise the project ?
3.i saw producers that produced like only 2 or1 anime,are those even companies or just individuals spending money on adaptations?
4.on what basis do producers invest money to adapt a manga or a game,because it is popular or selling good or just because they think it is promising ?
Thanks for clarifying!.

I can't really give you good answers to those questions, I've just paraphrased what I've learned from reading Answerman columns :D https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/

Here's one relating to this topic:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2017-07-12/.118712

1. It works differently with the really big players, like Ghibli and (I think) Kyoto Animation. Violet Evergarden's source novel came to their attention when it was submitted for and won a Kyoto Animation Award. IIRC I heard that Hibike Euphonium was a novel that a director or producer at KyoAni was a fan of, and he wanted to adapt it to anime. I would *guess* that in those cases they decide what they want to do, and then approach their corporate partners with the project proposal, and since they have a stellar reputation and track record, they get the funding.

I just found an older Answerman: "Essentially, the studios themselves very rarely get to pick what shows THEY THEMSELVES want to work on, because that's a luxury afforded to only the crème de la crème." https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2013-03-01 (scroll down to the second question)

2. I think I remember reading that yes, sometimes the producers will want to control things like casting. See the horrible mess of a casting meeting in Shirobako. :D And yeah, they'll be in charge of marketing. Well, I guess they'll hire a marketing firm, or use their own marketing department if they have one.

3. I don't know, maybe it's a company that doesn't usually invest in anime. Or maybe some might be a company title set up just for one show, for legal purposes? I watch a lot of anime EDs and often notice that a company with the name of the anime is credited, for instance A Place Further than the Universe (Yorimoi) is "©YORIMOI PARTNERS." That's not listed on MAL, though.

4. In a lot of cases the company to start the anime project will be the manga/LN publisher, since anime is seen as a promotional vehicle to sell manga. Manga sales are gradually falling, though, while international streaming revenues are rising. If a manga/LN is already popular, other companies will be more likely to invest. In general I guess execs would look at recent anime sales figures (and streaming revenues) and decide what's likely to succeed based on that.

Source re: international streaming revenues:



And on the decline of physical manga sales, while digital sales rise (it's unclear whether they'll offset the loss of physical sales):

http://goboiano.com/manga-sales-have-fallen-by-31-for-some-publishers/

https://goodereader.com/blog/manga-and-anime-news/japanese-manga-sales-declined-12-in-2017

http://postbubbleculture.blogs.wm.edu/2015/04/27/the-death-of-manga/

Interesting, but older:
https://www.quora.com/Is-manga-publishing-declining-If-so-why
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Apr 3, 2018 1:23 PM

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The fanservice in this first episode is straight up trash, just like how this short is going to turn out to be.
Apr 3, 2018 1:39 PM

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when i found out this was going to be a short i got raged and dissapointed, to the point to almost drop it
Apr 3, 2018 1:47 PM

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Haha oh boy this one is going to be "interesting" to say the least!
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Apr 3, 2018 2:11 PM

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To say I was disappointed would be an understatement...

3min episodes?!?! Seriously?? (→_→)
This season is not off to a good start when the first anime I was really looking forward to just flops like this...
God damn I feel depressed.
Apr 3, 2018 2:47 PM

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3 minutes is just hella short tachibanakan deserves better
Apr 3, 2018 2:49 PM
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thanks @ndroae for your informative reply,i really appreciate it

Btw.. Konomi's voice actress HAS ONE OF THE CUTEST VOICES I HAVE EVER HEARD IN MY WHOLE LIFE.
JuStS0mE0nEApr 3, 2018 2:54 PM
Apr 3, 2018 3:09 PM

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dear god, what a piece of junk this is. well, i can bare with 3 minutes a week of this, glad it's not any longer
Apr 3, 2018 3:11 PM

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I love how silly and trashy the first episode was. Should be fun to read the outraged reactions from some of the more puritanical yuri bloggers.
Apr 3, 2018 4:08 PM
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Maybe it needs more fanservice?
Apr 3, 2018 4:09 PM

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Heck, even shorter than I thought it'd be. And well, pretty disappointing as well. Will stick with it since it's so short. Guess I should just pick up the manga while I'm at it.


Apr 3, 2018 4:36 PM
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Awww. I'd been looking forward to a proper yuri anime to watch after Citrus ended. Also, this one began airing on my birthday! Needless to say, MUCH DISAPPOINTMENT .__. I had no idea we'd be getting these short episodes. Didn't realize until watching it - when the episode suddenly ended and there was nothing more. When the music started playing in the background, I thought it was the opening. And then instead it just ended. Like many before me have said, it felt like absolutely NOTHING happened. The episode was over as soon as it began. All I can recall is seeing an inn, and then BOOM - boobs all over the place. And then it ended. Just like that.

Will be dropping this. Might be checking out the manga instead, just to see what source material they had to work with.
Apr 3, 2018 5:16 PM
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3 minutes. My hype just went down the drain. Just gonna enjoy the manga.
Apr 3, 2018 5:24 PM

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Wasn't expecting much and it turned out quite fine.

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Apr 3, 2018 6:21 PM
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Not bad for the first episode, i mean its kind of a nice short series. Its has some funny scenes there. Hahaha
Apr 3, 2018 6:31 PM

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Oh dear. It's censored, only 3 minutes long, it tries to adapt 30 pages, not even a single chapter into the episode, and it's already skipping a lot of content.

It's fighting a losing battle right from the start. Maybe one day we'll have a good yuri anime, but it doesn't look like it'll be today.
Apr 3, 2018 9:03 PM

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Time to watch the.....oh it is over.
Apr 3, 2018 9:08 PM

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There isn't much to say about the episode considering how short it was... cute girls though?
Apr 3, 2018 9:21 PM

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This shit was lewd.
Apr 3, 2018 9:43 PM

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3 and a half minutes is a real shame. The show definitely deserved better but what we got was fine I guess.

Not sure what to expect from this given the super short length.
Apr 3, 2018 10:05 PM

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OK I kinda liked but 3 and a half minutes is disappointing. This could be justified if the manga is a 4-koma, but no, it is a regular manga and you can feel how the chapter is cut off. It's a shame because I was really interested in this series.
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Apr 3, 2018 10:11 PM

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Sigh, time length is a disappointment. But since i enjoyed reading the manga, i will watch the show till the end.
Apr 3, 2018 10:19 PM

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Felt like I was watching the start to a porno.. oh wait..... shes 15??????
Apr 3, 2018 11:42 PM

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Holy fuck under 5 fucking minutes? They really took the "short" part of the short format seriously. God fucking damn, couldnt even do 8-12 minutes?

Not only is it short as hell, it's censored too lol. Damn, yuri fans just cant catch a break here.
Apr 4, 2018 12:07 AM

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Damn! why are they blocking the nipples and the crotch!
4/5.


Apr 4, 2018 12:40 AM

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i wonder if its censored in the manga and does the manga has a longer story?
Apr 4, 2018 12:50 AM
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Can we hope that the episodes of 15/20 minutes if he has a second season?
Apr 4, 2018 1:08 AM

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@NanaPirro very optimistic — thinking there might be a second season.
Hello can you please watch Kitaku-bu Katsudou Kiroku
Apr 4, 2018 3:09 AM
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Given it a 6 out of 10 so far for what it is.
You can't say it didn't keep to its promise: a yuri harem show with added ecchi.
That's exactly what we got.
Apr 4, 2018 4:05 AM

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Hirugiku said:
so story is similar to Takunomi but opposite? she moves to the countryside?

And the excessive alcohol replaced with excessive fanservice... dunno which is worse :| But at least this one's not made by Production IMS, so we don't have to worry about those shite-lords for a bit, which is good.


Anyway, this was... not very good. As a massive fan of Yuri and CGDCT-anime, I felt compelled to watch this series, but... I pretty much immediately sort of regret it. I just hope that it's be slightly more bearable by the end. I don't want another example of a shitty CGDCT-anime JUST after I named Takunomi. one of the worst I've ever seen :x
Apr 4, 2018 4:35 AM

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Kijdenvoot said:
@NanaPirro very optimistic — thinking there might be a second season.


Yeah I highly doubt a second season too, I think its sad that it is only a 3mim per episode sorta deal and its left me feeling frankly pretty disappointed

But hey, in the words of Mighty No.9 "it's better than nothing"

Apr 4, 2018 4:54 AM

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Lame fanservice with pathetic, predictable and unwanted, censorship. I'm not going to expect much from this show.
Apr 4, 2018 5:29 AM

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Well I expected this would be this season of Citrus but I get this season of Killing Bites/Keijo. Not that I am complaining...

Also I guess I should read the manga too.
Apr 4, 2018 7:20 AM

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ehhh didn't know it was a short, what a surprise

but it was ok, I guess
Apr 4, 2018 7:42 AM

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For 3min short it was really nice.
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Apr 4, 2018 10:22 AM
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This was like three minutes, but it has already established so much.

Boring harm protagonist. Check.
Childhood friend/tsundere. Check.
The older one with big boobs. Check.
The sexual shameless one. Check.
The interesting mystery-chan. Check.

They'll probably add more next week.

*crosses fingers
Apr 4, 2018 10:42 AM
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I'm disappointed. Like, immensely.

While knowing that the first episode was going to be 3:30mins long (and probably will be for each week until it's over), there just wasn't enough...world and/or character building, to be honest.

Of course, we'll just have to wait and see how much the animation studio/producers/et cetera are willing to put into said world/character building in the coming weeks, so.

I'll give it a passing 5/10 for now.
Apr 4, 2018 1:01 PM

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For a duration of 3-5 minutes I'd expect daily episodes heh.
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Apr 4, 2018 2:21 PM

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NanaPirro said:
Can we hope that the episodes of 15/20 minutes if he has a second season?

No, there wouldn't be enough material to fill whole season of 20minutes episodes.
Apr 4, 2018 2:41 PM

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bastek66 said:
NanaPirro said:
Can we hope that the episodes of 15/20 minutes if he has a second season?

No, there wouldn't be enough material to fill whole season of 20minutes episodes.


So how dose a normal harm show fill up 20 odd mins of show time then?
Cause you know there are ways to expand upon the source material without
straying too far from the original concept.

Though I felt that really the short format hindered my enjoyment as it was like everything was moving at x2 speed while trying to explain a bunch of things about the plot.

I dunno the more I think about it, the more I just feel unsatisfied with it though I guess I'll watch 2 more episodes though I'm already considering dropping it at only a single episode which is sad.

But oh well.. never mind.
Apr 4, 2018 7:14 PM
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I liked it, but I wish it was about 20 minutes longer.
Apr 4, 2018 7:39 PM
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Packing 30 pages of manga in under 4 minutes?

I'm out.


Not even 30 pages I don't think. It was the first half of chapter 1. And they cut stuff out.
Apr 4, 2018 9:56 PM
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Not enough to really base any opinion from me yet, didn't realize it was a short show when thinking i'd check it out.
Apr 4, 2018 10:18 PM

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I thought this anime would be a kind of moe yuri comedy with episodes 12 min long at least... Boy was I wrong, I do like my fanservice (since it's been a while without having proper) but it's censored... I won't drop it because I have a no-drop policy but I kinda regret picking this up... Well, it's only 4 min so it won't be that much :/
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Apr 5, 2018 12:34 AM
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well to be quite honest this was far to short, 3 minutes is WAY to short, I'm sure this sort of thing could work like this but it looks like it'd need to be at least triple what we saw here...the fan service was fine though I guess...?
Apr 5, 2018 12:35 AM
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topazio said:
Not sure why are people so mad over the short format. I think it's perfect. I would feel offended if I had to cope with 20 minutes of this.


I don't mind it being short but 3 minutes is WAY to short, 7-9 minutes probably would have been a more acceptable amount of time
Apr 5, 2018 6:12 AM
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NyronGTR said:
Lame fanservice with pathetic, predictable and unwanted, censorship. I'm not going to expect much from this show.


The manga didn't show nipples either, and in the manga itself she says "Cherries?"
Apr 5, 2018 4:07 PM

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I remember the yuri being stronger but I guess it's been a while since I read this. Feels a lot more.... loli... than I remember.

Apr 6, 2018 2:59 AM

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Hm.. i don't know what to say with only 3 minutes per episode but for what I saw this will have a big portion of fan service ( That blonde girl pose tho)
Apr 6, 2018 5:59 AM

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There's nothing inheretnly wrong with a yuri fanservice series, but there's something really wrong with a yuri fanservice picture drama. You can count the frames in this episode on your fingers, and it's still the first one.
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