What do you think of harem anime?
| I hate them Why? >beta cuck mc >tsunbitch female lead >best girl never wins Best harem anime I have seen? Twgok |
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| Cause there are a lot of anime that is better in characters and story But one that is significant improvement from others is Shuffle!, which had decent drama. Plus...a score of 7.6 isn't bad. |
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KawaiiPotato1412 said: + Are harems good or bad? + What are some of the best harems you've seen? + Name some flaws about the harem genre. 1 Mostly bad with few exceptions 2 Those anime that has a harem as only a sub-plot and do not count: Bakemonogatari, A Certain Magical Index and The World God Only Knows (has a harem as only a sub-plot as well btw) 3 Lack of proper story, typical characters, the whole idea of "a lot of girls fall in love in one regular guy for no reason" looks like someone's wet dreams |
| it depends on the series, basically |
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GlennMagusHarvey said: it depends on the series, basically Yeah. I don't get this primal urge to stereotype or generalize about anime. I typically do not like horror films. They're just not my thing. But I'm not going to claim they're all the same or they're all bad just because I don't like them. Typically, people who make these kinds of generalizations simply don't know what they're talking about and it's easily evident by their lack of detail and their generic criticisms. "Bad story, cliche characters, tropes, etc." These are the same kinds of lazy criticisms people throw around at anything they don't like either because they haven't actually seen it or because they haven't taken the time to think about what they're viewing. It's like when people who hate a certain film before seeing it go to see it already having decided that they hate it just to get the cred of seeing it, as if that gives their empty criticism any more weight. |
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| @KawaiiPotato1412 Personally, I don't like them. It's understandable that I don't like them since I believe a harem's primary purpose is to allow the viewer to project themselves onto this bland protagonist. With that in mind, I think you covered most of the issues with harem anime, and these issues are created with the purpose I mentioned in mind. - The protagonist is bland so we can project ourselves onto them. - The assortment of different cliche character types is to ensure that they represent a variety amongst the characters and cater to different tastes in imaginary mates (Imagine a harem of all tsunderes. Not everyone likes tsunderes). XD XD - My guess, most of the art effort is put into the romantic interests and anything else gets second-banana. -Wouldn't call that too generic just yet. (The openings) - It's pretty clear why there's a lot of fan service. Remember, a lot of anime and manga need to be pitched to a group of suits for funding and show that they can make money and get people to watch/read it. Fanservice is just a cheap trick to get those views I haven't explored the genre enough to see a good one. I just feel like it's kinda similar to a survival genre; the makeup of the genre dooms itself to be mediocre at best. |
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KawaiiPotato1412 said: Here in MAL, only a few harem anime have a score over 8. Is there a good reason for this? Well, a few MAL scores are absurd, referring to it is a terrible example... As for the fanservice that, you mentioned is also stupid, but I'm not gonna argue about it. You could always refer the prev threads related to fanservice... KawaiiPotato1412 said: + Are harems good or bad? + What are some of the best harems you've seen? + Name some flaws about the harem genre. - Harems are usually good... - To Love ru, High School DxD, Kore wa Zombie Desu ka,... - There aren't much flaws in harem anime, except that the best girl doesn't win (meaning either the childhood friend or the tsundere wins which is kinda absurd since other girls don't get a chance..). |
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| the problem is that the best harem series like zetsubou sensei, monogatari, steins gate, etc dont get the tag on myanimelist... |
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AddiTeacha2 said: tuturu and kurisu are a givenromagia said: the problem is that the best harem series like zetsubou sensei, monogatari, steins gate, etc dont get the tag on myanimelist... romagia said: please explain how is Stein gate a harem?the problem is that the best harem series like zetsubou sensei, monogatari, steins gate, etc dont get the tag on myanimelist... and in the second half he also has nice scene with moeka and twintails and maybe suzu too i dont remember the structure of the main cast is also clearly harem-like, as is with most vn adaptations |
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| I generally like harems, but there are a few common flaws that can make them less enjoyable: * MC who's thick as a brick and can never really get close to any girl. * Overplayed cliches like falling into crotch, falling crotch on face, walking in while bathing, etc. * Best girl never wins, or - worse still - no girl wins. They're just stuck in limbo without any relationship being pursued with any girl(s): no character route end, no harem route end - it's the cop-out ending. Best Harem: Kanokon |
NyaaMar 28, 2018 12:27 AM
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| Harem anime are actually of one my lowest rated genres tbh. There are some gems here and there, but most of them I find to be mediocre and in some cases terrible. I usually find harem works better when its just a minor part of series. |
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| there is no problems with harem anime and anyone who says otherwise is wrong |
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| I don't like harem genre, but kaminomi is an exception lol |
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romagia said: the problem is that the best harem series like zetsubou sensei, monogatari, steins gate, etc dont get the tag on myanimelist... Steins gate isn't a harem lol two characters being interested in the Mc and the Mc chosing one isn't what I would call a harem |
xShinigami3125 said: mayu doesn't count? or ruka doesn't count?romagia said: the problem is that the best harem series like zetsubou sensei, monogatari, steins gate, etc dont get the tag on myanimelist... Steins gate isn't a harem lol two characters being interested in the Mc and the Mc chosing one isn't what I would call a harem |
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Yusnanism said: xShinigami3125 said: mayu doesn't count? or ruka doesn't count?Steins gate isn't a harem lol two characters being interested in the Mc and the Mc chosing one isn't what I would call a harem Kurisu and Ruka like Okabe Mayu is simply a friend or did I miss something? |
xShinigami3125 said: i thought it was more than that. but.. nevermind lmaoYusnanism said: mayu doesn't count? or ruka doesn't count? Kurisu and Ruka like Okabe Mayu is simply a friend or did I miss something? just different point of view... |
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Yusnanism said: Ah Okey good cuz u had me scared for a moment xd I thought I had missed something that vital in my favorites series.i thought it was more than that. but.. nevermind lmao just different point of view... |
xShinigami3125 said: nah, you hadn't.. or it was us who had missing something? lmaoYusnanism said: Ah Okey good cuz u had me scared for a moment xd I thought I had missed something that vital in my favorites series.i thought it was more than that. but.. nevermind lmao just different point of view... |
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| the main problem with Harem anime is they are mostly poorly funded ads that make them only adapting early part which is where the cast intorduced that make it cliche and neglecting later part where it become it's own... |
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KawaiiPotato1412 said: + And worst of all, repetitive fanservice. I'm not saying it's bad to have fanservice, but most harem has the same stupid cliches of panty shots, boob squeezing and underwear scenes! No wonder why most harem are also fall under the ecchi genre. and worst of all yay.. here we go... its always the fanservice that has to be the biggest target excuse me? is there something wrong with fanservice cliche's? cause you just named a few things that i love seeing i swear in so many threads discussing anime that likely has fanservice.. its as though its MANDATORY to throw in SOMETHING negative about it as if its just a bad thing by default No wonder why most harem are also fall under the ecchi genre. oh? is this another bad thing? thanks asshole.. i'll just consider this another ecchi/fanservice thread in disguise |
EcchiGodMamsterMar 28, 2018 2:47 AM
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| The problem with harem anime is that, there's not enough of it. |
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KawaiiPotato1412 said: Well bland mc can indeed be a problem but its not exactly limited to harem anime + A bland protagonist in terms of personality or looks (whether boy or girl) KawaiiPotato1412 said: Everything in anime is some kind of cliche so thats not a legit critic for who ever uses that just saying + Several character cliches like the loli, tsundere, childhood friend, imouto, the sexy guy, etc. KawaiiPotato1412 said: I don't know what you mean by simple but "plot complexity" doesn't really matter. If the authors wants to put in fan service they easily can + A somewhat, plain and simple plot just to make way for the fan service. KawaiiPotato1412 said: Again most of everything is generic so not a critic + A generic art style KawaiiPotato1412 said: Ecchi isn't actually a genre though. Its just a term that the West uses for when they deem an anime to have a certain amount of ecchi + And worst of all, repetitive fanservice. I'm not saying it's bad to have fanservice, but most harem has the same stupid cliches of panty shots, boob squeezing and underwear scenes! No wonder why most harem are also fall under the ecchi genre. KawaiiPotato1412 said: If we just base the amount of harem anime you've seen of the 348 on MAL you've only seen 6 harems so honestly its hard to take what you say seriously hereWhile most harem anime aren't that great, some are so damn good like Ouran High School Host Club and The World God Only Knows (the latter is one of my personal favorites). https://graph.anime.plus/KawaiiPotato1412/favorites,anime KawaiiPotato1412 said: They do indeed count. At the very least all 3 you mentioned count as harem. When this many girls like the MC you can't say its not a harem Note: Anime that has a harem as only a sub-plot do not count. So anime like Bakemonogatari, A Certain Magical Index and most importantly, Sword Art Online are out.       |
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| The most important problem of harem anime is that second season of Rokujouma not existing. All problem will be solved if Rokujouma is fully adapted. |
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| The problem is that there's not enough good reverse harems. |
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| I tend to hate harem with passion, particulary the ones where the mc is boring as fuck but there are still a lot of girls in 'love' with him, i mean, there is no logical answer as to why that could possibly happen so it just makes me cringe since it seems forced romance with fanservice. So yeah, because most of the animes in that category are just as i said before, i don't have a positive reaction when i see the word harem. |
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| Excluding my top harem shows, all other harems are kitschy imo and i watch lots of them. |
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| I just find them boring, five girls want the MC's dick and the MC will try and find reasons not to have sex with any of them because his balls haven't dropped yet, I don't see the point. Maybe it's also because I can't self insert and fap to other people's creations. |
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| there are some good ones but most are boring schlock (saber marionette j) or retarded, but still enjoyable, but retarded (like highschool dxd) but there are some good ones like the two op mentioned (which were what i was going to mention) |
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| Well, I only enjoy watching good harem with decent mc, those who don't nosebleed on slight exposure, like DxD, Date a live. I read harem novels as animes mostly doesn't do justice to them. |
| Sorry to generalize, but I do hate most harem anime I've seen. Girls Bravo, Monster Musume, Rosario to Vampire, could not stand these shows. For me it's just the repetitive and bland humor that is the main problem. Fan service, bad plot, all fine if you can make me laugh. But the humor is so terrible and repetitive in these shows. Like, I get that humor is extremely subjective and part of that is cultural, but there is no excuse for how repetitive these jokes are. |
KawaiiPotato1412 said: So yeah, in terms of quality most harem have quite a lot of problems. You may answer some of these questions: + Are harems good or bad? + What are some of the best harems you've seen? + What are your problems about the harem genre? =Depends if the ones added to the harem get any development before/after being a part of said harem. Bad ones are usually the ones where they get added because the MC is the only one they consider the opposite gender. =First one that came to mind was Zero no Tsukaima, but I feel that TWGOK deserves being the best one. For reverse harems I don't know much but the way the Ouran anime ended was pretty nice. =Hmmmm... KawaiiPotato1412 said: + A bland protagonist in terms of personality or looks (whether boy or girl) + Several character cliches like the loli, tsundere, childhood friend, imouto, the sexy guy (this is mainly for reverse harems), etc. + A somewhat, plain and simple plot just to make way for the fanservice. + A generic art style + Moe-style op or ed where the main characters sing |
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Saucy said: On a tangent: I gotta say I definitely agree with you when it comes to the general topic of "criticizing stuff you don't know". I see exactly this same pattern when people who don't play 2D platformer games complain about 2D platformer games, saying that they're "simple" and "could be programmed in half an hour" and that they're all "clones" of (say) Mario and Mega Man, etc..GlennMagusHarvey said: it depends on the series, basically Yeah. I don't get this primal urge to stereotype or generalize about anime. I typically do not like horror films. They're just not my thing. But I'm not going to claim they're all the same or they're all bad just because I don't like them. Typically, people who make these kinds of generalizations simply don't know what they're talking about and it's easily evident by their lack of detail and their generic criticisms. "Bad story, cliche characters, tropes, etc." These are the same kinds of lazy criticisms people throw around at anything they don't like either because they haven't actually seen it or because they haven't taken the time to think about what they're viewing. It's like when people who hate a certain film before seeing it go to see it already having decided that they hate it just to get the cred of seeing it, as if that gives their empty criticism any more weight. This isn't to say that they can't have their opinion. They certainly can. It's certainly a valid opinion to not like 2D platformers, or to not like harem anime, or to not like any given thing. But we should be honest about what our opinions are based on. (back on topic) I can comment on harem anime, but my comment should only be allowed to go so far as those series I have seen, which appears (by my records) to be the following: Absolute Duo (completed) Asobi ni Iku yo! (dropped) Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai (dropped) Date A Live (dropped) DearS (dropped) Gakusen Toshi Asterisk (completed) Gakusen Toshi Asterisk 2nd Season (on hold) High School DxD New (dropped) Hundred (completed) Yosuga no Sora: In Solitude, Where We Are Least Alone. (completed) (thanks to graph.anime.plus for compiling this list) Based on these, I'd say I neither hate nor love the harem genre as a whole. I don't like it when it's combined with fanservice, but that's because I don't like fanservice (e.g. DearS, Highschool DxD). I do appreciate Yosuga no Sora, because it's presented very thoughtfully and with a focus on character interactions and character development. I also enjoy it if the characters/setting are entertaining enough and there's good enough music to go along with the ride, such as in Absolute Duo. On the other hand, if I dislike the characters (e.g. Haganai, Date a Live), then I'll end up disliking the series. But overall I don't think I really am a big fan of it. One key thing I liked about Absolute Duo is that it ended up with a pretty stable romantic pairing. If anything I'm a bigger fan of magic battle school shenanigans. |
GlennMagusHarveyMar 28, 2018 10:43 AM
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| haha best girls need to win more often also does it hurt to let the childhood friend win for once -.- |
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| I've watched my fair share of harems, and many people mistake them for wish fulfillment, when in most cases it's the opposite. As many end with the tsundere wining, or no girl wining. A "protagonist" that is too modest. And hyper sexualized situations that highlight the absurdity of having multiple people chase after you. It's pretty much porn too. |
| It's all subjective, I don't see a point in generalizing it. I don't watch horror movies but I already rewatch thirteen ghost many times. If the plot is done right, it will be good to watch. Sometimes it has to be silly to avoid female fans hating it. I could argue that few of harem shows exist to emphasize the what if situations that a normal teenage boy would do in those situations. |
hazecloudApr 1, 2018 8:00 AM
| well there's plenty of generic trash like in any genre highschool dxd is miles better than all your favourites though and doesn't satisfy most of your reasons |
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| The 2 biggest problems with harem anime are: 1) There aren't enough of them. 2) Too many people hold them to more strict, or higher standards than other anime. The same criticisms people sometimes use for these shows can also be applied to some of their favorites, but they refuse to recognize that, even when someone else points it out to them. If you don't like harem, fine, then move along. There's plenty of people who'll watch them in your stead. |
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| i usually hate harem. they're never funny and the mcs are always so dull and dense. yes, there are some gems in this crap genre but you literally have to wade through hundreds of harems with the same characters AND plot to find one good one. don't even get me started on the ecchi. being bombarded with panty shots, impossibly large boobs, and etc. makes me super uncomfortable because 99% of the time these characters are under aged.. yea it's anime.. but still.. big yuck. it's hard for me to enjoy that. |
| I just don't like harem genre because 99% of the time it's not even a harem. Most of these so called "harem" series end with either no conclusion or the only the "main" girl winning. It's why I like the ending of Shinmai Maou no Testament which ended recently. Spoilers for the final volume below. |
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