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Poll: shoujo Ai/Yuri or Shounen Ai/Yaoi ? Gender Bender ? FAvorite?


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I feel theres a lacking of LGBTQ Romance anime and just anime's of that Genre in general i noticed even with the clubs here the LGBTQ Groups are tiny and Trans anime and anything in that category was small minus BL Yaoi which was very interesting .. I almost feel like BL or Shounen Ai almost has a bigger following than yuri/ Shoujo ai genre i mean I know im a BL FAN GIRL!!! but anyways just something I noticed not really angry about it its just very interesting to me because i almost feel like its something kind of looked past or not fully appreciated lack of club members in specificly LGBTQ I guess I just thought there was more people of the LGBTQ spectrum that loved anime or ppl that aren't even LGBTQ just love the animes just interesting .. like wheres all my LGBTQ ANIME FANS AT!
 
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wew it's a good thing doujins exist.
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There are more yuri fans, but they just all hang around the CGDCT people.

I like all three. BL, Gender Bender, and GL. But Gender Bender- not always for trans characters. Just an exploration of gender related things.

I am Bisexual myself. I tend to like bisexual characters of course. ^.^; No shocker. I tend not to like BL or GL where they say "it's okay because it is you" type of thing. Which i admit, if I want to like more than 1% of things, I have to stay soft on it.... just.... yeah just cringe every time.
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@KaylieOtaku24 (Most) Anime are made in Japan. When writers and others create these stories, they tend to base it off of their imagination or point of view which is inspired by their surroundings and upbringing. The LGBTQ community isn't as vocal in Japan as it would be in America and other countries, so naturally, not many people create anime like that unless they're in that yuri/yaoi genre. Because there's a lack of LGBTQ characters and/or themes, there's a lack of clubs about them since the genre is so small. But I believe it's gotten much more popular than it was before
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CJ_Kiyoruki said:
@KaylieOtaku24 (Most) Anime are made in Japan. When writers and others create these stories, they tend to base it off of their imagination or point of view which is inspired by their surroundings and upbringing. The LGBTQ community isn't as vocal in Japan as it would be in America and other countries, so naturally, not many people create anime like that unless they're in that yuri/yaoi genre. Because there's a lack of LGBTQ characters and/or themes, there's a lack of clubs about them since the genre is so small. But I believe it's gotten much more popular than it was before
Thank You this was a great explanation and helped alot ive kinda been starting to educate myself more on it ive been curious how it is japan you hit some points I didn't kno about so thank you ! and i feel the same way that it is growing a great deal its very interesting how its portrayed and the typical tropes found in each genre .. Lbt related its interesting.. thanks again I thought this would be a good thread to start cause I think theres alot to say on it I do feel its evolving and changing with the times in a good way ive noticed more coming out as of recently and getting more serious losing some of the same tropes found in other series ... idk why it interests me it just does im a huge fan so ya ... :3 lol
 
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CJ_Kiyoruki said:
@KaylieOtaku24 (Most) Anime are made in Japan. When writers and others create these stories, they tend to base it off of their imagination or point of view which is inspired by their surroundings and upbringing. The LGBTQ community isn't as vocal in Japan as it would be in America and other countries, so naturally, not many people create anime like that unless they're in that yuri/yaoi genre. Because there's a lack of LGBTQ characters and/or themes, there's a lack of clubs about them since the genre is so small. But I believe it's gotten much more popular than it was before


someone beat me to it

that's pretty accurate and answers your question, OP.


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@KaylieOtaku24 Yeah, no problem. And I think it's a good topic to bring up. One thing about Japan is that they're highly influenced by America. If I had a dollar for every time I heard a Japanese girl say, "I wish I was American", I'd be rich and crying. So sooner or later, I'm very confident that America's vocal LGBTQ community will have an influence on the culture, especially in the media aspect. And I also would like to see it grow into a bigger genre. XD XD
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LGBTQ is not a story, it's not a community nor a way of thinking or living
LGBTQ is simply a statistic, a percentage of people in a social chart.

What's the point of making anime based people that resemble specific characteristics of a social data?

A character's sexuality shouldn't be the focus of any anime as no person is defined by it, sexuality is just a side characteristic with passive meaning to the overall story.

Only exception would be hentai.
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I like BL / GL, but not all series under that umbrella. There are some really trashy yaoi and yuri series. There are also some good ones.


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wew it's a good thing doujins exist.


I'm not a fan of doujins.

I wish that there were more light-hearted gay romance. Way too much of it is explicit, and I prefer my romance to not have any sex in it.
 
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what u talkin bout bro yuri is fuckin sick


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Ekaen said:
LGBTQ is not a story, it's not a community nor a way of thinking or living
LGBTQ is simply a statistic, a percentage of people in a social chart.

What's the point of making anime based people that resemble specific characteristics of a social data?

A character's sexuality shouldn't be the focus of any anime as no person is defined by it, sexuality is just a side characteristic with passive meaning to the overall story.

Only exception would be hentai.
I think your wrong i mean yes your not defined by it but it doesn't mean its not a genre that exists and that people of the community can enjoy .. or non LGBTQ ppl can enjoy but the fact is yes its a genre its what defines the content of a show if there themes of that nature that makes it a theme.. I dont think its a negative I think its good.. im a transgender female so i mean i struggle everyday and am constantly reminded that im trans and I wish it didn't have to define me so much but im also proud to be who I am and dont care what people think i love myself as best I can.. also I love LGBTQ genre because I feel i can relate to it specially gender bender even tho some tropes are quite ridiculous and alot can refer to cross dressing .. theres still mild relatability .. also similar situations romantically i can relate too.. and I think its beautiful romance and needs more recognition im speaking from someone deeply ingrained in my LGTBQ community and right now going through a revolution and fight for exceptance I think its great this genre exists and we need to see more !
 
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just because japan tolerate it, doesn't mean they are part of LGBTQ comunity...

it's common social value there to keep your sex life in private... they didn't care what you into as long it's not in front of their eyes...
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If the money and demand is there we will see more, if not then sucks.
 
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Clearly there isn't enough demand all the anime-makers care about is maximizing money lol
 
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I'd watch more yaoi/yuri anime if it wasn't mostly just fanservice for straight people. Hardly any of them take their non-straight/non-cis characters seriously. The characters are usually trying to sexually assault each other, or they're played as comic relief. I only know of a few exceptions: Aoi Hana, Sasameki Koto, Hourou Musuko, Maria-sama ga Miteru, No.6, and maybe Doukyuusei.
 
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I would never have imagined that something like Hourou Musuko or Shimanami Tasogare would exist when I first got into anime. More is always nice, but I'm pretty content with the amount of LGBT series or series with implied homo.
 
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>Not enough gay love in anime
>12% of all manga are yaoi

Clearly you picked the wrong medium. Also, a good 50% of all-girl cast anime have at least some hints towards some girls being lesbian or bisexual since that's a type of fanservice in those kinds of shows. Most anime that focus on being about lesbian romance aren't that great of anime anyway so I prefer it when they keep it as a side thing.
 
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Just look past the mainstream and you'll find it, really. Shimura Takako is pretty strong in this field if you wanna a place to start

And unlike western fanbase like to claim Japan isn't the conservative land they think it is. There's activism going on there and "queer" works are gaining more space than ever with stuff like My Lesbian Experience With Loneliness being hits

Now, i'm sorry but i wouldn't say that yaoi is really the way to go. As much as there're works that i love most of them remain being plain unrealistic and female oriented, when it's not just porn

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What's the point of making anime based people that resemble specific characteristics of a social data?


Because representation is a thing and there're people whom wanna see diversity in fiction

Ekaen said:
A character's sexuality shouldn't be the focus of any anime as no person is defined by it, sexuality is just a side characteristic with passive meaning to the overall story.

Only exception would be hentai.


Except not. There're ton of stories that revolve around characters dealing with their sexuality and every day problems. You may be shocked but anime, manga and books can be more than your average escapism through idols and super powers to feed the viewer's chuunibyou
OMG THANK YOU <3 so well said we needed this in the thread <3 and I will deffinetley check those out and I agree I feel things are changing ... but you couldn't have said it better responding to the post about LGBTQ not being a theme ive been up all night binging anime and manga an i just couldnt express the right words haha so well worded !
 
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Just look past the mainstream and you'll find it, really. Shimura Takako is pretty strong in this field if you wanna a place to start

And unlike western fanbase like to claim Japan isn't the conservative land they think it is. There's activism going on there and "queer" works are gaining more space than ever with stuff like My Lesbian Experience With Loneliness being hits

Now, i'm sorry but i wouldn't say that yaoi is really the way to go. As much as there're works that i love most of them remain being plain unrealistic and female oriented, when it's not just porn

Ekaen said:

What's the point of making anime based people that resemble specific characteristics of a social data?


Because representation is a thing and there're people whom wanna see diversity in fiction

Ekaen said:
A character's sexuality shouldn't be the focus of any anime as no person is defined by it, sexuality is just a side characteristic with passive meaning to the overall story.

Only exception would be hentai.


Except not. There're ton of stories that revolve around characters dealing with their sexuality and every day problems. You may be shocked but anime, manga and books can be more than your average escapism through idols and super powers to feed the viewer's chuunibyou
 
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can I friend you? your like one of the few only people that responded with inteligience and insight on my questions and thoughts greatly appreciated!
 
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95% of all fandoms DON'T care! at all. the Idiotic idea that "representation" of any kind ADDs something of value is factually incorrect...see comics and video game sales. the biggest problem is when stories do have said elements 'LGBTQ+/BME' it becomes the story and destroys it. ie. a hero that happens to be X, is replaced by an X that happens to be a hero ~See. Ice man (Diversity & Comics). I do think MAL has fan groups you may be interested in, but I don't care about things like that nor should anyone. present or not a good story is good and a bad one is bad.

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I love hearing all the different strong views people feel on the topic whether I agree or not This is why I made the thread I wanted to get people talking about how they felt of representation of LGBTQ in anime /manga im bouta to break out the popcorn teehehe
 
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Ekaen said:


A character's sexuality shouldn't be the focus of any anime as no person is defined by it, sexuality is just a side characteristic with passive meaning to the overall story.


Sexuality is a pretty important part of a person, it defines what we are attracted us, and in the case of minorities, it defines a lot of choices we are forced to take and how we interact with the world.

Have you ever heard of something like Hourou Musuko?
 
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A character's sexuality shouldn't be the focus of any anime as no person is defined by it, sexuality is just a side characteristic with passive meaning to the overall story.


Sexuality is a pretty important part of a person, it defines what we are attracted us, and in the case of minorities, it defines a lot of choices we are forced to take and how we interact with the world.

Have you ever heard of something like Hourou Musuko?
I totally agree couldn't have said it better! and ive watched a couple episodes and really enjoyed it so deep and an amazing LGBTQ anime that really stands out takes a serious tone im a transgender female MTF and Hourou Musuko literally just the first couple episodes have sent me balling into tears like a baby ! because I can so relate..... its very personal and deep and i cant wait to watch all the episodes!
 
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as a heterosexual manga enthusiast i find just the opposite there is a shit ton of Yaoi and yuri manga out there.
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inb4 swagenator and the usual alt-right dudes get triggered and post here.


lol I'm disappointed, I came to this thread hoping for an @Swagernator witicism


 
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as a heterosexual manga enthusiast i find just the opposite there is a shit ton of Yaoi and yuri manga out there.


Yeah, but most of it is smut/porn garbage.

Finding a clean, light hearted BL romance is often more difficult. They exist of course, but are far outnumbered by the porn garbage.
 
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You'll only find porn really.

Nothing really romantic and intimate as far as I know that's mainstream, too much hentai ig.
 
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as a heterosexual manga enthusiast i find just the opposite there is a shit ton of Yaoi and yuri manga out there.


Yeah, but most of it is smut/porn garbage.

Finding a clean, light hearted BL romance is often more difficult. They exist of course, but are far outnumbered by the porn garbage.


that's most romance manga.

even so a lot of the good ones have sex. oh well sex is part of romance.
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as a heterosexual manga enthusiast i find just the opposite there is a shit ton of Yaoi and yuri manga out there.


Right? So much of "Oh, you're such an asshole to me but I'm still gonna love you and instantly have sex with you" trash out there. It's just basically porn.
There's so little decent Shounen Ai out there. Can't speak for Shoujo Ai, tho.
 
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hazarddex said:
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Yeah, but most of it is smut/porn garbage.

Finding a clean, light hearted BL romance is often more difficult. They exist of course, but are far outnumbered by the porn garbage.


that's most romance manga.

even so a lot of the good ones have sex. oh well sex is part of romance.


No, sex is certainly NOT part of romance.

I prefer my romance to not have any sex in it at all.
 
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Ekaen said:
LGBTQ is not a story, it's not a community nor a way of thinking or living
LGBTQ is simply a statistic, a percentage of people in a social chart.

What's the point of making anime based people that resemble specific characteristics of a social data?

A character's sexuality shouldn't be the focus of any anime as no person is defined by it, sexuality is just a side characteristic with passive meaning to the overall story.

Only exception would be hentai.
I think your wrong i mean yes your not defined by it but it doesn't mean its not a genre that exists and that people of the community can enjoy .. or non LGBTQ ppl can enjoy but the fact is yes its a genre its what defines the content of a show if there themes of that nature that makes it a theme.. I dont think its a negative I think its good.. im a transgender female so i mean i struggle everyday and am constantly reminded that im trans and I wish it didn't have to define me so much but im also proud to be who I am and dont care what people think i love myself as best I can.. also I love LGBTQ genre because I feel i can relate to it specially gender bender even tho some tropes are quite ridiculous and alot can refer to cross dressing .. theres still mild relatability .. also similar situations romantically i can relate too.. and I think its beautiful romance and needs more recognition im speaking from someone deeply ingrained in my LGBTQ community and right now going through a revolution and fight for exceptance I think its great this genre exists and we need to see more !


I think you want characters in normal genere anime to have LGBTTQQIAAP interests not necessarily a genre. I would agree it is not a genre due to the fact that would be like saying being Gay is a genre in life. You just want more types of sexual attraction and focus in anime but I would not word it that way. An anime can be an adventure with a bi lead. It does not make it a LGBTQ anime though. I believe realism is a good thing to have and I think we need more variety in anime but then again many writers tend to focus on the main plot more than if the characters are bisexual or pan-sexual or whatever whether that is right or wrong is completely up to the watcher.
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Well, the anime community tend to handle things like Yaoi/Yuri ...um ...poorly.

I can't count how many times in this forum alone I've seen people react scornfully towards those sub-genres, their fans, or even the slightest hint of those elements, with a lot of people dismissing them as "Fujoshi trash."

With that said, even most anime themselves handle those things poorly. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a gay/trans character in an anime treated more as a one-off joke than an actual human being.

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A character's sexuality shouldn't be the focus of any anime as no person is defined by it, sexuality is just a side characteristic with passive meaning to the overall story.
Why can't an anime tackle sexuality, exactly? It's storytelling. It can literally be about anything. It's a medium like any other. It's like saying movies shouldn't ever tackle racism. If that stuff doesn't appeal to you, that's fine. Just don't watch them. But saying that anime should never focus on that is a rather narrow mindset.
 
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that's most romance manga.

even so a lot of the good ones have sex. oh well sex is part of romance.


No, sex is certainly NOT part of romance.

I prefer my romance to not have any sex in it at all.


what ever helps you sleep at night. ;)
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hazarddex said:
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No, sex is certainly NOT part of romance.

I prefer my romance to not have any sex in it at all.


what ever helps you sleep at night. ;)


You can't prove me wrong.

Romance and sex are two completely different things.
 
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what ever helps you sleep at night. ;)


You can't prove me wrong.

Romance and sex are two completely different things.


its not romance if they are not sexually attracted to each other.

then its just friendship. and the reason im not getting into it with you is because thats not the point of this thread.

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You can't prove me wrong.

Romance and sex are two completely different things.


its not romance if they are not sexually attracted to each other.

then its just friendship.



Romance and sexuality are two different things. You can have romantic attraction without sexual attraction.
 
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its not romance if they are not sexually attracted to each other.

then its just friendship.



Romance and sexuality are two different things. You can have romantic attraction without sexual attraction.


you really can't. you can love your parents and not be sexually attracted to them. does that make it romance? i think not.

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Romance and sexuality are two different things. You can have romantic attraction without sexual attraction.


you really can't. you can love your parents and not be sexually attracted to them. does that make it romance? i think not.



So, are you one of those people who believe that asexual people don't exist? Because they certainly do exist, and many of them are in romantic relationships that don't involve sex.
 
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And it should stay that way. Don't want SJW filth ruining the anime industry because of "MUH MINORITY REPRESENTATION".

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Except yuri ofc. Yuri is love, yuri is life.
 
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you really can't. you can love your parents and not be sexually attracted to them. does that make it romance? i think not.



So, are you one of those people who believe that asexual people don't exist? Because they certainly do exist, and many of them are in romantic relationships that don't involve sex.


i know asexual people exist. however. is it romance? or just love?
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So, are you one of those people who believe that asexual people don't exist? Because they certainly do exist, and many of them are in romantic relationships that don't involve sex.


i know asexual people exist. however. is it romance? or just love?


Yes, it is romance. Sex is physical, whereas romance is not.

Trust me, they are two completely different things.
 
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i know asexual people exist. however. is it romance? or just love?


Yes, it is romance. Sex is physical, whereas romance is not.

Trust me, they are two completely different things.


see you can love your family, you can love your friends. and not be attracted to them. that makes sense. but what is romance without attraction, but a lie. kisses on the lips are considered sexual just a fyi.
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Yes, it is romance. Sex is physical, whereas romance is not.

Trust me, they are two completely different things.


see you can love your family, you can love your friends. but can you be Romantic? without sexual? kisses are considered sexual just a fyi.


You can kiss someone, without having sex with them. I don't consider kissing to be sexual.

You can hold, hug, and embrace someone romantically, and there's nothing sexual about it. Stop throwing the "family" thing into it. I got into an argument about this exact same thing yesterday, so I'd prefer not to get into this again.
 
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see you can love your family, you can love your friends. but can you be Romantic? without sexual? kisses are considered sexual just a fyi.


You can kiss someone, without having sex with them. I don't consider kissing to be sexual.

You can hold, hug, and embrace someone romantically, and there's nothing sexual about it. Stop throwing the "family" thing into it. I got into an argument about this exact same thing yesterday, so I'd prefer not to get into this again.


your being naive is why people are argueing with you about this.

also i meant kisses on the lips.

you just said sex is physical meaning a small part of you knows that you can't have a romantic relationship without a physical relationship which means a sexual attraction.


you can hug some one non romantically.

but most romantic hugs are sexual hugs.

you can love some one without being attracted to them but that is not romance.
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You can kiss someone, without having sex with them. I don't consider kissing to be sexual.

You can hold, hug, and embrace someone romantically, and there's nothing sexual about it. Stop throwing the "family" thing into it. I got into an argument about this exact same thing yesterday, so I'd prefer not to get into this again.


your being naive is why people are argueing with you about this.

also i meant kisses on the lips.

you just said sex is physical meaning a small part of you knows that you can't have a romantic relationship without a physical relationship which means a sexual attraction.

You can love someone without being attracted to them but that is not romance.


Romantic attraction and sex are NOT related. You're a lot younger than me, so it'll probably take until you're older before you understand how those things work.
 
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