| Now that Super is over, i'd like to start a discussion thread on what you believe to be objectively better. From Story Progression, Plot Lines and Arcs, to Character Development, Interaction, and Dialogue. From Animation quality, Art Style, to Character Design. And from Voice Acting, BG Music, Sound Effects, to Foley.. and any other topic you wish to discuss For any topic you wish to compare, all that I ask is that you provide examples from both shows to avoid subjective bias |
| GT. I do not like it so much, but it still had some heartwarming moments and intense action scenes that Super really did not had to me. |
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| They were both mediocre, but GT wins hands down because while it had some things that didn't make much sense or were straight stupid, at least it had no asspulls, no transformations-overload, much better and detailed art throughout all of its run, better music, a LOT of charm, the slice-of-life moments were more enjoyable, ....and obviously the best final episode of any DB installment so far. |
| Super is way better. Copy and pasted answer from a previous thread that asked this. Black and Zamasu are better than all GT villains. SSJ4 looks cool but it's a weak form compared to super saiyan god. Goku struggled with a building in SSJ4 while he almost destroyed the universe fighting Beerus in super saiyan god. Super actually has powerful gods instead of only weak kais that sit in fear of every villain and count on Goku to defeat them. Super had the most and best character development for Vegeta. Throughout Super Vegeta for the most part kept pace with Goku in power unlike in GT where he was fodder until the final fight with Omega Shenron. The human z fighters actually fight in Super unlike in GT where they are close to non existent. Other characters actually fight and defeat opponents in Super unlike in GT where only Goku ever beats anyone. Super 17 arc in GT had more holes than swiss cheese. How did Dr. Gero create another android 17 in hell? Like did he have a lab in Hell? How would anyone have allowed him to have a lab in Hell? Frieza isn't a complete joke in Super like he is in GT. It was really annoying seeing main DBZ villains like Frieza and Cell treated like complete garbage in GT. Pan is a sweet little baby in Super while she is an annoying teenaged bitch in GT. Dragon Ball Super Future Trunks> GT Future Trunks. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Super is way better. Copy and pasted answer from a previous thread that asked this. Black and Zamasu are better than all GT villains. SSJ4 looks cool but it's a weak form compared to super saiyan god. Goku struggled with a building in SSJ4 while he almost destroyed the universe fighting Beerus in super saiyan god. Super actually has powerful gods instead of only weak kais that sit in fear of every villain and count on Goku to defeat them. Super had the most and best character development for Vegeta. Throughout Super Vegeta for the most part kept pace with Goku in power unlike in GT where he was fodder until the final fight with Omega Shenron. The human z fighters actually fight in Super unlike in GT where they are close to non existent. Other characters actually fight and defeat opponents in Super unlike in GT where only Goku ever beats anyone. Super 17 arc in GT had more holes than swiss cheese. How did Dr. Gero create another android 17 in hell? Like did he have a lab in Hell? How would anyone have allowed him to have a lab in Hell? Frieza isn't a complete joke in Super like he is in GT. It was really annoying seeing main DBZ villains like Frieza and Cell treated like complete garbage in GT. Pan is a sweet little baby in Super while she is an annoying teenaged bitch in GT. Dragon Ball Super Future Trunks> GT Future Trunks. EOT. God bless. Dragon Ball Super all the way. |
| Super, of course, lol Why do people even debate... GT should not exist. Not only is it non canon but it is garbage series as well. I don't know what people above me are smoking |
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| i never seen super but gt was underrated, it was really good imo |
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some hardcore stuff obviously :S :D it can't be another explanation :))) the only good about GT is the opening. |
Frigyesur said: some hardcore stuff obviously :S :D it can't be another explanation :))) the only good about GT is the opening. Yeah or this ending Anyway, Super is godlike... |
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| GT had good ideas but bad execution. Super had bad ideas and bad execution. GT sucked but Super is infinitely worse. |
Frigyesur said: some hardcore stuff obviously :S :D it can't be another explanation :))) the only good about GT is the opening. Plus the background music, the slice of life moments, and that final episode, which was wonderful and worked as a great closure to the whole DB storyline, with Goku leaving with Shenlong. |
The10tailedwolf said: At least I could watch every ep of GT... The filler in Super were unwatchable, same goes for some eps in the Goku black arc (aka the worst power scaling in DB history). You have to literally turn your brain off for the power scaling to make sense in Super; that alone hurts the anime enough to put it below GT, although there were some very enjoyable moments in Super. DB - 9.3/10 DBZ - 8.9/10 GT - 7.4/10 Super - 7/10 GT has its fair share of issues, but at least the plots made sense. Numbers don't win fights, forget power scaling |
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i'd put between the best moments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugrJXfcp9tE or Beerus's 'Hakai' against Zamasu. Master Roshi had his own great good-bye too. and on side note Beerus&Whis&Champa-sama' funny moments which almost entirely lacked of earlier DB series. Glenfinnan said: Plus the background music, the slice of life moments, and that final episode, which was wonderful and worked as a great closure to the whole DB storyline, with Goku leaving with Shenlong. the closure moment would be good if we hadn't have to bear through 60+ episodes Pan's annoying whining and stuffs |
Frigyesur said: the closure moment would be good if we hadn't have to bear through 60+ episodes Pan's annoying whining and stuffs The fact that the series was mediocre for 63 episodes doesn't make the final episode bad. As a stand-alone episode, it is very good regardless of everything that came before. |
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| Some aspects of GT were better, as was some of Super’s. If they were mixed, I think it could have been as/if not better liked as DBZ. |
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GangsterCat said: Isnt that supposed to be doki doki or im missing somthGT is fun, but Super is more waku waku |
| i score both of the series 7/10 GT has more better animation Super has more better hype factor |
| haven't seen the final ep of Super but yeah Super was miles away better and they at least listened to what fans wanted in a way i guess |
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| Super hands down GT Had SSJ4 which was really cool but thats about it Super had alot, just look at the tournament of power arc. You cant deny its maybe the best arc the dragon ball series has ever seen. And don't forget... Super has Zen-oh! |
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| GT is atrocious. The grand tour song gives me PTSD, fuck that show. I can't believe my dumbass teenage self splurged all my birthday money to buy all the individual DVDs for the Baby and Shadow Dragon arcs. Easily one of my worst purchases ever. |
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| Definitely Super. For all its faults, at least it had good humor, interesting ideas, great development for a few characters, great music and occasional explosions of amazing animation. GT was more consistent, but it also felt so halfhearted throughout its entire run. It had nothing to make it special in any way. |
| There is not a single good fight in GT. |
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| I think rather than saying which was better, we should agree that both had their pros and cons. I will forever be salty that super saiyan 4 is not canon because that was the coolest form handsdown. I don't know what that Blue God form shit was supposed to be but simply dyeing Goku/Vegeta's hair blue and calling that an upgrade is bullshit. Super Saiyan 4 took roots from their giant ape form and was just all around badassery. (That being said, SSJ4 alone can't make GT better than Super) |
| 5/10 GT. 2/10 Super. GT is better. Super is overrated. |
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| As someone who is currently trudging through GT, I'll easily pick Super and it's not even remotely close. Super is definitely flawed and inconsistent, but there are a lot of genuinely great moments in it and its contributions to DB as a whole far outweights anything GT did. Super's best episodes are up there with some of DB's best as a whole, while GT at its peak was slightly above average at best, and more often than not just atrociously boring with not a single good fight in its repertoire. |
| Super had some bad aspects,but in GT everything was bad. |
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| neither were great, i'd like to imagine a mix between the 2. if we forego powerscaling for a bit and just think about story and expansion of the anime's universe. from GT i liked the expansion into space, with the crew traveling off planet but without the 'black star dragonballs' BS i can't really think of a good reason to travel into space right now, but that setting itself opened up alot of new and exciting content to be made. mayb discover other saiyan's that had been send off-world in space-pod's or a distant cousin tribe.mayb them being enslaved and in need of rescue. timeskip i liked, uub not so much, goku being turned small meh.. throw it away along with the black db's. baby was nice, with saiyans history being rife with 'planet conquering mercenary' lore it goes to say some of their victims feel less than happy about 2 pureblood saiyans living the life on earth. especially with freeza still dead. the bulma mindcontrol was bs and lame tho, instaid i like more saiyan lore revealed also the giant ape parts were great and add to the old tail stuff. overall a nice (not freeza) villain. shadow dragons made kinda sense as well, balance should be a thing and the wish dragons aren't almighty if we count higher beings like gods(beerus and co./zen) they were made by nameks after all, not gods, negative energy in the balls kinda made sense. lols/gags with the pantsu wish had a nice tie-in. besides it provides a real reason or at least consideration and consequences to using the balls willy-nilly. not sure how to change the ending tho, maybe goku leaving with the dragon for 'x' years perfecting ssj4 once again turning it golden hair explaining it wasn't complete and more like early trunks ssj1 buffed up but not quite ssj2 yet. add in a visit to the current head-namekian and their planet to see if theres help/info and we get a more expansive story, maybe a turnaround with earths civilization being relocated to the namek planet till the shadow dragons defeat, kinda like how the nameks relocated to earth for a while, open some inter travel after everything has blown over and a friendship between nameks and earth with satan representing or something as slice-of-life. earths governments seem stagnant in the db universe be nice if they atleast space traveled to namek after all that. from super i'd trow away freeza's first resurrection and golden form, keep the tournament resurrection for helping save universe 7 and give him another transformation... an actual transformation like his earlier forms. hell 'coolers' last form might even do....... beerus can still be added without the freeza part, make it something like one of his 'duties' is to check up on being that reach a certain powerlevel and maybe put them into place and warn them sternly to not disrupt the flow of the universe or else.. xy foreshadowing zen-chan. keep the tournament between beerus and his brother add in a lil reason like beerus universe has now reached 'x' number of beings above 'y' powerlevel that would finally allow the bet/pact/rivalry between beerus and his brother to be fulfilled. ditch the giant dragon balls tho. don't involve dragonballs at all in this part. turns out they were betting a super rare cake sitting in a cooling box/vault inbetween the void between the 2 universes as a end reveal for lols/gags. inbetween slice-of-life visiting universe 6 planet vegeta and have goku or vegeta teach them super saiyan instaid of that ridiculous bs of tingly back fuckery. have bulma and co enjoy saiyan culture and cuisine. mayb a little fun with trunks and goten learning about their heritage and shenanigans. after that add in some universes hierarchy conflicts or atleast expand upon the concept of multiple universes, them suspecting uni6 and 7 pooling their might to raise their standing as a reason or something. being send assasins in the form of black, till zen gets wind of it and demands they fight it out in the tournament at the end of super. mayb use black arc as coming from another universe instaid of timeline and ditch trunks and his floppy sword. expand upon those archived rings and items add more lore. streamline powerlevels? and have vegeta actually go ss3 ffs. and no ultra instinct bs, make ss god (silver) be on par with god of destruction) in terms of power normal > ss1 > ss1 buffed > ss2 > ss3 > ss4 buffed > ss4(golden hair) > ss god buffed (red)(minor god) > ss god(blue)(regular god) > ss god(silver)(intermediate god) > pre zen level god powerlevel > zen like god powerlevel |
| Definitely Super. Only thing I liked better in GT was the SSJ4 transformation. Super has a bunch of great new characters and everyone gets screentime, however little. GT turned our beloved characters either into useless no-shows or annoying shits. The slice of life portions in Super were a treat. I really loved the cute Bulma/ Vegeta moments and the Prince's character development (yeah, I'm a fan and proud of it). #17's character development in Super was one of my favourite parts of the franchise. Goku Black/ Zamasu were one of the best villains ever. Future Trunks arc was a milestone. DBS dealt with grey characters and hero antagonists in a manner previously unseen in the series. I can keep on adding to the list for awhile but I'll stop here. |
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| GT was very very very bad. Super is mediocre but atleast had it's moments. Hell Super actually gave time for a good deal of the cast to shine and introduced some new neat characters like Beerus, Whis and Goku Black (who is without a question a hell lot better villain than any of those in GT) while having lots of development for Vegeta and giving some of the Z fighters a moment to shine, even if short. Additionally, that goddamn final episode of super blew every single episode in GT out of the water without even a question - nothing in GT is even close to being as amazing as the final couple of episodes in Super and none of the arcs in GT are really as solid as Future Trunks' and the ToP. Animation was equally terrible in both GT and super, fight me if you want. |
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| At least GT jad a story to tell... |
And pointing somewhere....the dark dragon balls and dragons was in fact a great idea to give an interesting closure to the franchise, another story is that it was poorly done. Throughout 131 episodes in Super I never got a clue about where it wanted to go or do other than introducing the rest of the universes, the new bunch of characters and all the collection of new transformations. |
Snappynator said: Additionally, that goddamn final episode of super blew every single episode in GT out of the water without even a question - nothing in GT is even close to being as amazing as the final couple of episodes in Super GT's final episode is as amazing as Super last episodes. At least, if you watch Dragon Ball not only for the colossal fights. |
| GT was at least adventurous and a fun watch, Super is just out of hand. It's honestly not entertaining at all besides the fights but that got old fast. |
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| Both are heavily flawed products, but I'd argue that Super is better. From a narrative point, I will say that GT was better since it's arcs had more ingenuity. Roughly half of Supers runtime was allocated to tournaments. In spite of that however, Super gave better characterization to It's supporting/main cast which is what I mainly watch Dragon Ball for. Super also has better fights without question. Gt had more consistent art, but there are hardly any memorable pieces of animation in comparison to Super. |
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| GT (Baby arc)>Super> GT (Rest) Super was better in: 1)Character development; 2)Plot (still mediocre however); 3)Villains; 5)Better new characters; 6)Fights (just a little bit however); 7)Giving other characters more screentime; 8)OST. GT was better in: 1)Power scaling; 2)Transformation design; 3)Animation; |
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| Watch out I'm coming in hot here. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 GodofWar2015 said: Universal Zamasu killed all the humans on Future Trunks Earth, Black also killed out all the supreme kais in Trunks timeline.Black and Zamasu were not good villains, they dragged things along and they spared large amounts of people. Zamasu was way better than all the one dimensional villains in GT that just wanted to conquer the universe or get revenge. Even though Zamasu was evil and had a god complex he actually exposed and tried to rectify a major problem than gets overlooked in the Dragon Ball Universe which is the fact that kais are way weaker than certain alien/mutants etc mortals like saiyans, Frieza, Cell and Buu and have to constantly depend on Goku to protect them. King Kai was afraid of first form Frieza, Cell killed King Kai and Kid Buu wiped out most of Universe 7's supreme Kais. Kais even though they are gods are weaklings and vulnerable to powerful, savage mortals. Zamasu was well aware of that fact and wanted to change that by using the tools at his disposal (time ring, super dragon balls and portaras) to become a powerful deity that can handle any threat. In that regard his actions are somewhat justifiable if you put yourself in his shoes but on the other hand he killed a lot of people and was drunk with power so he is a very grey villain. The Zamasu that became Black was also smarter than Baby since he stole Goku's body instead of Vegeta's. Like why would you settle for second fiddle when you can have the most powerful saiyan in existence instead? Zamasu and Black were also the perfect tag team since they were basically the same person. Future Zamasu was a perfect meat shield for Black since Zamasu was immortal and Zamasu could make Black stronger by healing him after battle which would allow Black to gain zenkai boosts and both could fuse their ki blasts together to create stronger attacks. GodofWar2015 said: All Piccolo did in GT was just die tbh. In Super he helped train Gohan for the Tournament of Power, ringed out Universe 6's last 2 fighters , found and ringed out Universe 4's invisible fighter.Hell, at least Piccolo died to stop the Black Star Dragon balls from happening. ImbalancedEmblem said: GT mainly just rehashed DBZ's structure for it's arcs. Villain shows up, z fighters fight said villain and get rekt, Goku shows up and beats villain. The tournaments change things up by going back to original Dragon Ball roots.From a narrative point, I will say that GT was better since it's arcs had more ingenuity. Roughly half of Supers runtime was allocated to tournaments. GodofWar2015 said: Goku and Trunks in Super were never gary stus since they lost multiple times in the anime. Goku was shot with the laser and almost killed by Frieza thanks to him being overconfident and absent minded to his surroundings which is a major flaw.Trunks and Goku in Super suck. They have been degraded to nothing more than Gary Stu's. Gohan_7861000 said: Goku Black's first appearance was unpredictable, there were people who thought Trunks was probably up against a new type of android before Black's reveal. Super saiyan Rose was not predictable, Goku using Kaioken with SSJ Blue in the U6 tournament was not predictable since Goku had stopped using Kaioken after achieving super saiyan, Zeno's appearance was not predictable.Super - Most of its story is predictable. Especially, the Goku Black arc. The U6 vs 7 was pretty predictable Baby taking over everyone was predictable since when he was first introduced in his first form he tried to take over Trunks. GodofWar2015 said: Super had higher stakes since Universal Zamasu was seeping into the present timeline and could have taken it over. GT had it's greatest stakes in Shadow Dragon arc since the dragon balls became corrupted and Omega Shenron could corrupt the universe however even though the earth dragon balls became corrupted the Namekian dragon balls were okay iirc and Omega Shenron could only corrupt the universe slowly. Universal Zamasu posed a far greater threat than Omega Shenron.To conclude it all (for the people that can't be bothered), GT had stakes and Super didn't. Glenfinnan said: GT's soundtrack wasn't anything special and pretty forgettable. Super's ost is way better imo.Plus the background music Turtles_Hunter said: Agreed but Nova Shenron was decent though. Syn/Omega Shenron was not only a meh villain but was basically a naked Dabura colored white with horns and spikes. The main antagonists in Super actually had unique designs unlike the ones from GT. As I mentioned before Omega Shenron looked like Dabura and Baby in his adult form looked like Kid Buu with silver skin in Vegeta's saiyan armor.Holy fucking shit, half of the dragons of the last arc are more horrible and more badly written than the previous ones. |
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| Super Hands down. I like the character developments here. |
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| Super was flawed but GT was garbage |
| I would say gt better(it was garbage) I didnt made super yet so I can argue about it I just saw a few episodes |
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