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| And the rewatch is over, and a lovely way to wrap it up, even though the manga is still ongoing now. The proposal there was really sweet, glad to see them make up, rely more on each other to communicate and fully commit to each other after everything that happened like that. Chise looked amazing in a wedding dress with the veil, and was quite happy to share rings with Elias on the ring fingers of their left hands. Great couple I'd say with some really pleasant development overall from the beginning of the show till now. Overall, this was an outstanding anime for me. It was great when I first saw it weekly but after rewatching it, it evolved onto something more passionate, personal and breathtaking as an experience. The visuals were fantastic, the music was fantastic (except the awful 2nd opening song), the characters were fantastic and the episodes were fantastic from the stand alone ones to the arcs too with great progression throughout and a terrific dub/sub too. Minor flaws aside, I loved the hell out of this and have no issues giving this anime a 10/10 overall on MAL. I know a lot of people found it disappointing or slow overall, but I found the natural pacing to only work for the beauty of the show and I found it to be entertaining or fascinating the entire time without fail. 2017 was a blessed year with some absolutely fantastic shows like this, Tsuki ga Kirei, Girls Last Tour and sequels like the March Comes in Like a Lion Season 2 and Owarimonogatari Season 2, and more. |
| My 65th completed series chronologically. For the record, I extended it a 9/10 rating. |
| Last episode. that wedding scene is so wholesome and beautiful. I heard this one could have a sequel (or an OVA) which is very nice although it's still not confirmed. A very good Anime |
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| For one thing I really wish they would've delved more into Elias's origin instead of just calling him a failure of the forest all the time, also, how do you consummate a marriage with a half wolf, half vine, half fish, half Texas Roadhouse wall decoration? |
| amazing... just amazing. i was mesmerized, from start to finish. unbelievably sad and beautiful. i will never forget this story. |
| Rewatching this, i'll never understand why stories do this... granting a character mercy, forgiveness, or even reprieve, when they've destroyed so many lives, simply because "boohoo they've suffered so much". Joseph/Cartephilus should have been erased. Payment for crimes is not getting any joys. Mercy for suffering is a swift end. Result is no further suffering is caused by their existence. |
❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
GenesisAria said: Joseph/Cartephilus should have been erased. Payment for crimes is not getting any joys. Mercy for suffering is a swift end. Result is no further suffering is caused by their existence. He would have gladly and readily taken "a swift end" centuries ago. That was the whole point. His life was extended and he was kept alive artificially by a curse, only to feel the agony of his body constantly rotting away and still feel all the anguish of injury/disease/ravages of time. He was condemned to live in 24/7 agony, which is why he was seeking to construct a new body. Eternal physical chronic pain and torture is a fate already worse than death. His fate in the end was akin to putting a chronic pain sufferer in a medically-induced coma. |
WatchTillTandavaJan 27, 2022 1:26 AM
WatchTillTandava said: GenesisAria said: Joseph/Cartephilus should have been erased. Payment for crimes is not getting any joys. Mercy for suffering is a swift end. Result is no further suffering is caused by their existence. He would have gladly and readily taken "a swift end" centuries ago. That was the whole point. His life was extended and he was kept alive artificially by a curse, only to feel the agony of his body constantly rotting away and still feel all the anguish of injury/disease/ravages of time. He was condemned to live in 24/7 agony, which is why he was seeking to construct a new body. Eternal physical chronic pain and torture is a fate already worse than death. His fate in the end was akin to putting a chronic pain sufferer in a medically-induced coma. I'm well aware. My point is that the whole letting him live peacefully after all ending was dumb. She shoulda used the dragon curse to kill him or destroy his curse so that he died normally. |
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
GenesisAria said: I'm well aware. My point is that the whole letting him live peacefully after all ending was dumb. She shoulda used the dragon curse to kill him or destroy his curse so that he died normally. The point about those two curses is that they cancel each other out, so I doubt it would have worked anyway. But really beyond that, I don't see how their actions are unwarranted here. This gives him what he wanted (an escape from pain) and prevents him from being such a threat or menace to others. A lot of anime, including this one, aren't obsessively focused on the idea of meting out punishment for past deeds as the correct approach because it reduces everything to a black-white dichotomy when usually there's a whole wide range of intricate factors and circumstances at play driving a person to act the way they do and just assigning blame, judgment, and punishment doesn't achieve anything positive or meaningful in the long run or help others understand how a situation came to be the way that it is. It just makes the executioner/punisher feel good about themselves in the moment, morally superior/self-righteous, and vindicated, but it doesn't address or do anything to correct the root causes or reduce or eliminate similar circumstances affecting more people and giving rise to another identical incident in the future. If the story didn't kill Joseph/Cartaphilus and make a point of it serving as a big spectacle or lesson, then I would say it's because the writer/original author doesn't see the value behind that as a lesson nor enhancing the story from a purely entertainment standpoint. |
WatchTillTandava said: That is entirely up to the writer. It could have been written that the dragon curse cancels out the immortality curse, and then they die as a mortal human being somewhere...GenesisAria said: The point about those two curses is that they cancel each other out, so I doubt it would have worked anyway.I'm well aware. My point is that the whole letting him live peacefully after all ending was dumb. She shoulda used the dragon curse to kill him or destroy his curse so that he died normally. But really beyond that, I don't see how their actions are unwarranted here. This gives him what he wanted (an escape from pain) and prevents him from being such a threat or menace to others. He brutally murdered and eviscerated and tormented many people... painfully and slowly killing them, putting through unspeakable agony, ruining their lives and the lives of others, and been doing this constantly for 2000 years? He's surely got the blood of tens of thousands on his hands, and not the peaceful kind. He doesn't deserve ANYTHING. It doesn't matter if "boohoo he was suffering" it doesn't justify actions which cannot be undone.A lot of anime, including this one, aren't obsessively focused on the idea of meting out punishment for past deeds as the correct approach because it reduces everything to a black-white dichotomy when usually there's a whole wide range of intricate factors and circumstances at play driving a person to act the way they do and just assigning blame, judgment, and punishment doesn't achieve anything positive or meaningful in the long run or help others understand how a situation came to be the way that it is. It just makes the executioner/punisher feel good about themselves in the moment, morally superior/self-righteous, and vindicated, but it doesn't address or do anything to correct the root causes or reduce or eliminate similar circumstances affecting more people and giving rise to another identical incident in the future. No it doesn't. Using that logic is the same as saying anyone can be a murderer as long as they're tormented and make you feel bad for them you can let them off the hook... Are you kidding me? It's not about temporary revenge satisfaction, it's about the fact such an individual needs to not exist. I am one of the least morally self-righteous person you're going to see comment on this, it's not an issue of moral, it's an issue of ethics and cause and effect.If the story didn't kill Joseph/Cartaphilus and make a point of it serving as a big spectacle or lesson, then I would say it's because the writer/original author doesn't see the value behind that as a lesson nor enhancing the story from a purely entertainment standpoint. They don't have to make a spectacle of killing him... But they wrote it like everyone should forgive him. "It's okay to murder, it's okay to subject people to unspeakable horrors and torture, he's sad so we should let him be happy, even if he might murder someone else." It's absurd. It's not proportional response. Proportional response would be eye for an eye. It'd be a hard debate to say whether 2000 years is equivalent to ruining many lives, but if we were to assume it's equivalent, then the appropriate response is to eliminate the loop by swiftly and conclusively ending it. |
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
| After 5 years i finally finished this, and i am gonna be honest. It's not as bad as i thought before 8/10 |
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| Coughing blood, has a hole in stomach and still singing lullaby, why? To redeem Joseph of his sins. Man I love this medium. Good thing.. Chise got her eye back, had the size of her arm revert back to normal and then that mesmerizing wedding dress *chef's kiss*. A happy end for everyone, but hey keep an eye on that old geezer Ashen Eye, that man is onto something again. Second half was a tad weaker to me than the first one, plus that horrendous opening. Though the series as a whole was still a memorable watch. Would've gone with a 9, but guess 8/10 is good for the time being. |
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| Regardless of whether they actually got married or not (I didn't read the manga) I really liked their wedding scene ;")) it's a sweet and safe ending, which is quite satisfying if it does stop at just the first season but still leaves a lot of mysteries to be uncovered and room for a second season. Now that I've finished watching this, the second season will air in April and I hope it stays this good. I feel quite grateful that I'm watching it now because I only have to wait for two months to see them again lol. Can't wait to see Lindel, Silky and Merituuli (antics) again xD |
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| Very interesting and different story. Love and death, both intertwined was the theme of this anime. I found it quite original. Ultimately, it seems like she got the best of both worlds. Immortality with the choice of being able to die when she finally wants to die. Joseph didn't have that luxury. He was immortal and could not end it when the suffering got out of hand. In her case, she will be able to die when she finally feels it's time. I'm basing this on the "deal" immortality made with the dragon. The deal was that immortality will continue working indefinitely but one day, even if it's thousands of years from now, one day, he will be allowed to consume her. I'm guessing that means that when she's ready to die, she'll simply tell immortality inside herself to stop fighting and let the dragon do its thing. |
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| I am glad that the second season come out this spring, or else I would have missed this one-of-a-kind masterpiece. Truly astonishing. The last scene is beautiful, "ancient magus bride" after all. Curse and blessing are on two sides of the same coin, a curse for one may be a blessing for the other. |
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Optim said: The final fight was Chise and Elias arguing off screen.This 'final fight' was so pathetic |
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| I give this an 8/10. Carty survived and Chise is still cursed....not the ending I wanted. Ashen is also still out there too. But at least Elias and Chise made up and STELLA LIVES!!!! SHE MUST BE PROTECTED AT ALL COSTS!!!! |
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this show was very good absolutely loved it. its not what i was searching for but the slave premise got me interested :D dont really care for their love i think id like it more if it was more like a parent/child relationship or like they technicallly are master and slave |
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| Final show, I didn't expect this last part of the episode. |
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