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Mar 23, 2018 12:18 PM

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Halpher said:
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actually, weird thing is, you are probably the autistic one being attracted to not human things.... and identifying more with the expressions in 2D than 3D....


I heavily disagree. Why is it "autistic" (By the way everyone spams that word now) to be attracted to more imaginative, abstract or simply animated things? There is sometimes emotion and feeling put into art or animation as a whole. There are reasons fiction can make one cry than something in real life. I find your comment really immature and just petty. Either one likes or be attracted to 3D things or you're autistic. My goodness, man.


There are more than average autistic people in the anime fandom than not. Main reason I hear from them is that the facial expressions are easier to read and they find them less stressful than real humans.
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Mar 23, 2018 12:33 PM

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Is it you?Because this post is just retarded. #Monkey

There's only one guy defending loli porn here, and that's definitely not me. You could have figured it out yourself.
Almost all of the people here are defending it. Your the few that disagree and for not any reason other than your moral compass.
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Mar 23, 2018 1:02 PM

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Energetic-Nova said:
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I heavily disagree. Why is it "autistic" (By the way everyone spams that word now) to be attracted to more imaginative, abstract or simply animated things? There is sometimes emotion and feeling put into art or animation as a whole. There are reasons fiction can make one cry than something in real life. I find your comment really immature and just petty. Either one likes or be attracted to 3D things or you're autistic. My goodness, man.


There are more than average autistic people in the anime fandom than not. Main reason I hear from them is that the facial expressions are easier to read and they find them less stressful than real humans.
There is also autistic people jn gaming and other meduims. To just call people autistic because they are more attracted to 2d is just using the word as an insult. Many people are attracted to a drawing, but aren't autistic.
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Mar 23, 2018 1:32 PM
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@Kagami That's awesome if you enjoy it! Really! I on the other hand absolutely despise it and no amount of; "It's not like real child porn." Is gonna change my opinion on that. Sure, it is not like real child porn, but I'll tell you one thing, it's sits half a rung above the 'real' thing.


"Im not a lolicon" flew over your head faster than a speeding bullet. I like some "lolis", but tbh the term loli is so overused nowadays that the Mitsuboshi Colors and Nico Yazawa get put in the same category, even though three are very kid like and one is not.

Though, if theres no debating with you then there isn't a point to continue this.
 
Mar 23, 2018 1:47 PM

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Botan-Chan45 said:
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There's only one guy defending loli porn here, and that's definitely not me. You could have figured it out yourself.
Almost all of the people here are defending it. Your the few that disagree and for not any reason other than your moral compass.

Because y'all are a bunch of weirdos defending others weirdos who masturbate to kids. Says a lot about your lifestyles.
 
Mar 23, 2018 2:14 PM

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Kagami said:
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@Kagami That's awesome if you enjoy it! Really! I on the other hand absolutely despise it and no amount of; "It's not like real child porn." Is gonna change my opinion on that. Sure, it is not like real child porn, but I'll tell you one thing, it's sits half a rung above the 'real' thing.


"Im not a lolicon" flew over your head faster than a speeding bullet. I like some "lolis", but tbh the term loli is so overused nowadays that the Mitsuboshi Colors and Nico Yazawa get put in the same category, even though three are very kid like and one is not.

Though, if theres no debating with you then there isn't a point to continue this.


Hey, @Kagami, may you point out where I called you a 'Lolicon' please. My eyes must be getting bad because I can't find it within my paragraph to you. I mean surely I did if I riled you up so much? Because as far as I can tell I didn't, and your getting defensive over, nothing.
 
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Dr-Octagon said:
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Almost all of the people here are defending it. Your the few that disagree and for not any reason other than your moral compass.

Because y'all are a bunch of weirdos defending others weirdos who masturbate to kids. Says a lot about your lifestyles.
or because it's fictional. They're not real. No real kids harmed. Unless you think an unrealistic drawing looks "realistic."
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Defenders of anime that sexualize children are quick to point out that since lolis are not actual children, no one is harmed by their sexualization. As long as no one is harmed, they argue, people are free to enjoy whatever sexual fantasy they want.

The trouble is that the sexualization of children is not limited to fetish hentai that is only encountered by people who deliberately seek it out. Harem series frequently present underage girls in a sexual fashion, and while I am aware that harem series are hardly known for healthy portrayals of sexuality, that lolicon is so prominent in a genre that is only tangentially related to it is suggests that the sexualization of children has become normalized in anime. It's hardly limited to harem. Sword Art Online, one of the most mainstream anime in existence features a scene where a loli is molested by a tentacle monster.

My issue is not with people deliberately seeking lolicon so much as it is with works that bring lolicon into mainstream media. Like it or not, the messages media presents affects the way people act and think in the real world, just as their values outside of anime affect how they view works.

When an anime villain murders innocent people, you root against them, even though no real people were harmed. Why should anime's portrayals of pedophilia be take as cute and funny when child molestation in the real world is horrible and disgusting?
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Mar 23, 2018 2:50 PM

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Botan-Chan45 said:
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Because y'all are a bunch of weirdos defending others weirdos who masturbate to kids. Says a lot about your lifestyles.
or because it's fictional. They're not real. No real kids harmed. Unless you think an unrealistic drawing looks "realistic."

So because it's fictional, that means that sexualising children and jacking off to them is ok ? Nonsense. Even if you don't harm anyone, a normal person would not be attracted to kids, real or fictional. Trying to normalise loli porn is not ok.
 
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Dr-Octagon said:
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or because it's fictional. They're not real. No real kids harmed. Unless you think an unrealistic drawing looks "realistic."

So because it's fictional, that means that sexualising children and jacking off to them is ok ? Nonsense. Even if you don't harm anyone, a normal person would not be attracted to kids, real or fictional. Trying to normalise loli porn is not ok.
But they aren't saying it should be normalized. Plus they are attracted to loli's, not real kids. Real kids are what every human despises to the core if your not the father or mother.
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First off, there really is no need for you to let the people you work with know what you are watching. Most people don't care, just do your job, and go home and watch what you want to guilt free.
 
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@Halpher oh I forgot to ask you what you think of the more Realistic Ones i have shown you.
so what do you think of them?
 
Mar 23, 2018 3:08 PM
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Aann said:
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"Im not a lolicon" flew over your head faster than a speeding bullet. I like some "lolis", but tbh the term loli is so overused nowadays that the Mitsuboshi Colors and Nico Yazawa get put in the same category, even though three are very kid like and one is not.

Though, if theres no debating with you then there isn't a point to continue this.




Hey, @Kagami, may you point out where I called you a 'Lolicon' please. My eyes must be getting bad because I can't find it within my paragraph to you. I mean surely I did if I riled you up so much? Because as far as I can tell I didn't, and your getting defensive over, nothing.


Chill man haha. Im not riled up, we are just talking. Though, saying its awesome i enjoy it and doubling down on it with "really" is practically the same thing and its on you to make yourself clearer.
 
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Botan-Chan45 said:
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So because it's fictional, that means that sexualising children and jacking off to them is ok ? Nonsense. Even if you don't harm anyone, a normal person would not be attracted to kids, real or fictional. Trying to normalise loli porn is not ok.
But they aren't saying it should be normalized. Plus they are attracted to loli's, not real kids. Real kids are what every human despises to the core if your not the father or mother.

> loli porn is acceptable
> nobody is saying that it should be normalized

Come on man, you're trying to normalize it yourself.
 
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Oh boy, this is going to be fun fun fun =]

@Halpher, I'll start with you first since you're the OP. Firstly, morality being subjective is a piss poor way of attacking or defending a moral position. It can be dismissed simply by asking "yeah so?" and is really nothing more than a last ditch effort to win an argument about morality. While moral relativism is a good thing from a scientific perspective, it is not a free pass to dismiss moral arguments. As a culture, pedophilia is still really fucking gross and it's only natural for someone to be frustrated when you're rebuttal is "morality is subjective" due to what a cop out reply it is. Pointing this out and holding strong moral convictions does not make one an SJW, which is again, another poor fallacious argument that is really only used as a last resort.
Secondly, you are not entitled to a civil discussion under an context, especially so when it comes to something as controversial as pedophilia and lolicon. Acting like someone is in the wrong for feeling disgusted at the thought of wanting to diddle a kid, drawn or not, and as a result is vitriolic towards anyone who thinks otherwise reflects poorly on your own ability to have this argument. If you're not prepared to be smeared, reviled, and mocked, then this isn't a topic you should debate.
Thirdly, whether or not something is harmless or harmful to others is a poor framework to build a moral system upon. Just because something is harmless doesn't preclude you from making moral judgments on those actions, rather it ought to be used as a means to form a legal system. For example, I don't like people who use drugs. I don't associate with them for a myriad of reasons, however I do believe that most if not all drugs should be legal. So while I do think loli porn should be legal because it is ultimately harmless, that doesn't change the fact that the idea of it disgusts the shit out of me. People should not be accepting of such deviant behaviors, regardless of whether or not they are harmful, as they can create an environment in which harmful behaviors can thrive. For example, while drugs ought to be legal, drug addicts should be seen as deviants who contribute little to society and such behavior ought to be discouraged socially rather than legally. The same applies to lolicon. There's a dangerous slippery slope that comes with being apathetic towards people who get off to drawings of harmful behaviors. Why should people not be apathetic towards such activities with dolls, or robots? It gets to a point where these people are no longer socially marginalized and their behaviors become accepted and assimilated into the culture. Culture is ambivalent towards few things, things either fall into deviancy or acceptability, somewhere on that spectrum, and ambivalence soon becomes acceptance. Rock music is "whatever" becomes rock music is "good". Homosexuality moves from "whatever" to "good". The same applies to lolicon. As such, we should not be apathetic towards lolicon but should see it as a deviant behavior, less it be accepted by the culture at large.

@EriitoSenshi Like all porn, lolicon is divorced from reality. What lolicon presents is an idealized fiction of what child molestation is like, like how rape in hentai often results in the girl enjoying it. Of course this isn't the case in real life, but that doesn't change the fact that people are getting off to something deeply disturbing and harmful, regardless of the fact that it is fictional.

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2. While lolicon does not turn people into pedophiles, it does pander to them. It should come as no shock that people don't like the idea of someone profiting off such deviancy.
4. Anime characters are still treated as people, just stylized differently. The argument that they are not the same purely because the look different is a poor argument.

@yomachi it has nothing to do with being able to differentiate fiction from reality. Just because something is fictional does not preclude it from having moral statements applied to it.

@Lord_Sithis Don't worry, I too am creeped out by authors who explicitly state that a loli is a child. How dare they make that comparison.

@Battlechili Does it ever strike you as odd that lolis often act like children, are below the age of 12, and are all around treated like children? Because acting like there's no connection is just moronic.
 
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@Lord_Sithis Don't worry, I too am creeped out by authors who explicitly state that a loli is a child. How dare they make that comparison.
Oh hi there mate! I hope you remember me too. If I recall correctly, arguing with you is pointless, so I won't do that. Have a nice day!

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2. While lolicon does not turn people into pedophiles, it does pander to them. It should come as no shock that people don't like the idea of someone profiting off such deviancy.
4. Anime characters are still treated as people, just stylized differently. The argument that they are not the same purely because the look different is a poor argument.
Oh my god what am I reading?
 
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@Lord_Sithis Don't worry, I too am creeped out by authors who explicitly state that a loli is a child. How dare they make that comparison.
Oh hi there mate! I hope you remember me too. If I recall correctly, arguing with you is pointless, so I won't do that. Have a nice day!

@jaklefire
2. While lolicon does not turn people into pedophiles, it does pander to them. It should come as no shock that people don't like the idea of someone profiting off such deviancy.
4. Anime characters are still treated as people, just stylized differently. The argument that they are not the same purely because the look different is a poor argument.
Oh my god what am I reading?


You were the guy from the one pedo steam game thread, right? Not really sure why you replied if you didn't want to have an argument. Did you just want to leave a snappy comeback but not want to deal with an actual debate? A bit of a bitch move if you ask me.
 
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Loli porn will always have an issue, cause lets face it. Its always wrong to watch underage porn even if its fiction or not. Thats just life bro. I suggest to prepare ur self to lose in arguments, Cause we are the ones doing the wrong things and they aren't.
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First off, there really is no need for you to let the people you work with know what you are watching. Most people don't care, just do your job, and go home and watch what you want to guilt free.


Uh, what? No one I work with knows what I watch. If you confuse the person in the story with the person that annoyed me then you misinterpreted things. The person in the story, I haven't talked to that person in like 5 months? Also, if you read again you'll see that I refer to that person as someone I met on the internet. Never actually met the person in real life.
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Loli porn will always have an issue, cause lets face it. Its always wrong to watch underage porn even if its fiction or not. Thats just life bro. I suggest to prepare ur self to lose in arguments, Cause we are the ones doing the wrong things and they aren't.


Not really, most people who rant about it mostly just appeal to emotions/feelings without any actual arguments just like you just did. Can't lose an argument if the other side doesn't provide one, but just expresses how they personally feel about it. 'It's always wrong because I feel that way' is not an argument, it's just a personal statement with little implications in terms of actual argumentative value.

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@yomachi it has nothing to do with being able to differentiate fiction from reality. Just because something is fictional does not preclude it from having moral statements applied to it.
Could say the same thing for all pornography, aside from all the violence in more mainstream media.
 
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Could say the same thing for all pornography, aside from all the violence in more mainstream media.


Okay? I never said that people shouldn't make moral judgments about porn.
 
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Could say the same thing for all pornography, aside from all the violence in more mainstream media.
Okay? I never said that people shouldn't make moral judgments about porn.
Just wanted to make sure we don't forget that most of us probably deserve hell even when we don't realize it.
 
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ThreadFazer said:
Loli porn will always have an issue, cause lets face it. Its always wrong to watch underage porn even if its fiction or not. Thats just life bro. I suggest to prepare ur self to lose in arguments, Cause we are the ones doing the wrong things and they aren't.


Not really, most people who rant about it mostly just appeal to emotions/feelings without any actual arguments just like you just did. Can't lose an argument if the other side doesn't provide one, but just expresses how they personally feel about it. 'It's always wrong because I feel that way' is not an argument, it's just a personal statement with little implications in terms of actual argumentative value.
im just making a "Point" im not arguing with anyone. TBF mostly people argue using there emotion and instinct rather then using real subjects (like u said) but there is still value on those arguments, hense people who argue with there emotions tends to be hurt more then people who uses subjects and facts to there arguements. Its better not to argue if u dont have the basic knowledge. Cause it will hurt more if your only doing it with emotions.
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Not really, most people who rant about it mostly just appeal to emotions/feelings without any actual arguments just like you just did. Can't lose an argument if the other side doesn't provide one, but just expresses how they personally feel about it. 'It's always wrong because I feel that way' is not an argument, it's just a personal statement with little implications in terms of actual argumentative value.
im just making a "Point" im not arguing with anyone. TBF mostly people argue using there emotion and instinct rather then using real subjects (like u said) but there is still value on those arguments, hense people who argue with there emotions tends to be hurt more then people who uses subjects and facts to there arguements. Its better not to argue if u dont have the basic knowledge. Cause it will hurt more if your only doing it with emotions.


Well, not being able to convince someone to see a topic rationally and not emotionally is the one thing. That's definitely gonna be the case here a lot of the time since people are stuck with their unreflected, instinctual emotional reactions and not much else. But it's not the same as engaging in an actual argument and losing it, that's all I wanted to point out.

And I doubt all the anti-loli people who argue emotionally are gonna get hurt because they lack basic knowledge. I wish life was that simple and fair, but it really isn't. There isn't a lot of upside to staying rational and not getting emotional when it comes to stigmatized topics like this. Right or wrong, reasonable or unreasonable doesn't matter when you social consequences will only ever target one side regardless of who makes more sense.

That's why people don't have to and don't want to even think about the topic or consider the other side, because they know if they want to be safe from social stigmata they just have to vaguely call everyone who's into it disgusting and high five their fellow anti-loli preachers. Abandoning the willingness to have a rational, unbiased debate about a topic is a small price to pay for that to some people, I guess.

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The only issue with loli porn is that loli porn shouldn't exist. Who's gonna read 3 goddamn paragraphs dude. Also your tl;dr needs a tl;dr
 
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Oh boy, this is going to be fun fun fun =]

@Halpher, I'll start with you first since you're the OP. Firstly, morality being subjective is a piss poor way of attacking or defending a moral position. It can be dismissed simply by asking "yeah so?" and is really nothing more than a last ditch effort to win an argument about morality. While moral relativism is a good thing from a scientific perspective, it is not a free pass to dismiss moral arguments. As a culture, pedophilia is still really fucking gross and it's only natural for someone to be frustrated when you're rebuttal is "morality is subjective" due to what a cop out reply it is. Pointing this out and holding strong moral convictions does not make one an SJW, which is again, another poor fallacious argument that is really only used as a last resort.
Secondly, you are not entitled to a civil discussion under an context, especially so when it comes to something as controversial as pedophilia and lolicon. Acting like someone is in the wrong for feeling disgusted at the thought of wanting to diddle a kid, drawn or not, and as a result is vitriolic towards anyone who thinks otherwise reflects poorly on your own ability to have this argument. If you're not prepared to be smeared, reviled, and mocked, then this isn't a topic you should debate.
Thirdly, whether or not something is harmless or harmful to others is a poor framework to build a moral system upon. Just because something is harmless doesn't preclude you from making moral judgments on those actions, rather it ought to be used as a means to form a legal system. For example, I don't like people who use drugs. I don't associate with them for a myriad of reasons, however I do believe that most if not all drugs should be legal. So while I do think loli porn should be legal because it is ultimately harmless, that doesn't change the fact that the idea of it disgusts the shit out of me. People should not be accepting of such deviant behaviors, regardless of whether or not they are harmful, as they can create an environment in which harmful behaviors can thrive. For example, while drugs ought to be legal, drug addicts should be seen as deviants who contribute little to society and such behavior ought to be discouraged socially rather than legally. The same applies to lolicon. There's a dangerous slippery slope that comes with being apathetic towards people who get off to drawings of harmful behaviors. Why should people not be apathetic towards such activities with dolls, or robots? It gets to a point where these people are no longer socially marginalized and their behaviors become accepted and assimilated into the culture. Culture is ambivalent towards few things, things either fall into deviancy or acceptability, somewhere on that spectrum, and ambivalence soon becomes acceptance. Rock music is "whatever" becomes rock music is "good". Homosexuality moves from "whatever" to "good". The same applies to lolicon. As such, we should not be apathetic towards lolicon but should see it as a deviant behavior, less it be accepted by the culture at large.


Well, I am back from getting my phone fixed. Defective battery, eh. Seeing your reply made me look away from the screen with extreme confusion. I think you have absolutely missed what my point and the reasons I stated what I stated. Many people here seemed to get the idea and they disagreed respectfully, but you just state that I act like someone is wrong for feeling disgusted and as a result is a poor reflection of my ability to debate. You sir, have no actual comprehension of what my point ever was and your entire post is arguing against something that doesn't actually exist. I didn't defend or attack a moral position by saying morality is subjective. I was just making it clear that not everyone thinks the same and will see things a different way, so acting like it's factually correct is conceited. It had nothing to do with being disgusted or simply not liking Loli Porn, but you simply didn't get that from my OP. His moral argument wasn't dismissed at all and I didn't ever say he was wrong. His attitude and approach towards the topic was counter-productive and you have to be there to really understand where I'm coming from. This is also contradicted by my own behavior in this thread where multiple people have expressed their disgust and I didn't dismiss them at all. However, you state that I'm acting like expressing disgust here is a bad thing when I, myself is weirded out by some sexual loli stuff. You go on and on as if I'm attacking people who dislike and find the content wrong when I'm more expressing that it's simply something some dislike and that doesn't mean that it's essentially this issue that everyone makes it out to be. This includes making Loli-Porn out to be the same as pedophilia and trying to get banned. This is where the SJW point is made because in media we have SJW's trying to get games banned due to them being offended or simply not liking it due to something. Your saying "holding strong moral convictions does not make one an SJW" and say it's a fallacious argument, but the issue with YOUR argument is you're defending someone who you don't know. You don't know how this person presented themselves and how they behaved. Yet, you act like this person was somewhat justified. A smart person would ask questions for clarity to gain more context, but you on the other hand is fully behind this person and act as they're what you're making them out to be. You're making ignorant assumptions and that speaks to your integrity here because if you won't bother to be respectful then how will we actually continue discourse without it becoming a shouting match?

I'm not entitled a civil discussion under a context? What? The point of a civil discussion is for two people to be respectful in order for the discussion to actually progress. Attacking and smearing a person won't actually contribute to a discussion, but make it a hostile environment. I'm not acting as if I'm entitled, but it speaks to your maturity and ability to actually hold discussions if you come here not wanting to be respectful, but righteous and high on your morality.

"Third" You have no idea on how my moral system works anyway, but you assume you do. How about...you ASK ME A QUESTION TO BETTER UNDERSTAND ME!? That's what anyone with an open-mind and intending to understand their opposition's position would do, but you so far have yet to do that. It's as if you came here to "rip me a new one" instead of actually contribute to the discussion. I would never do something just because it's harmless, but hey...you think you know what my argument is better than me...TELL ME WHAT I WOULD DO... You literally made the same position on this as me saying that you believe Loli-Porn should be legal, but it still disgust you when IN THE OP I KINDA SAID THE SAME THING...but did you actually read the OP? Did you actually wanted to discuss about the topic with people? What is your intention? Actually, I don't want to further discuss with you and I would like it if you just leave. You're not actually going to make the thread any better, but create tension.
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Oh boy, this is going to be fun fun fun =]

@Halpher, I'll start with you first since you're the OP. Firstly, morality being subjective is a piss poor way of attacking or defending a moral position. It can be dismissed simply by asking "yeah so?" and is really nothing more than a last ditch effort to win an argument about morality. While moral relativism is a good thing from a scientific perspective, it is not a free pass to dismiss moral arguments. As a culture, pedophilia is still really fucking gross and it's only natural for someone to be frustrated when you're rebuttal is "morality is subjective" due to what a cop out reply it is. Pointing this out and holding strong moral convictions does not make one an SJW, which is again, another poor fallacious argument that is really only used as a last resort.
Secondly, you are not entitled to a civil discussion under an context, especially so when it comes to something as controversial as pedophilia and lolicon. Acting like someone is in the wrong for feeling disgusted at the thought of wanting to diddle a kid, drawn or not, and as a result is vitriolic towards anyone who thinks otherwise reflects poorly on your own ability to have this argument. If you're not prepared to be smeared, reviled, and mocked, then this isn't a topic you should debate.
Thirdly, whether or not something is harmless or harmful to others is a poor framework to build a moral system upon. Just because something is harmless doesn't preclude you from making moral judgments on those actions, rather it ought to be used as a means to form a legal system. For example, I don't like people who use drugs. I don't associate with them for a myriad of reasons, however I do believe that most if not all drugs should be legal. So while I do think loli porn should be legal because it is ultimately harmless, that doesn't change the fact that the idea of it disgusts the shit out of me. People should not be accepting of such deviant behaviors, regardless of whether or not they are harmful, as they can create an environment in which harmful behaviors can thrive. For example, while drugs ought to be legal, drug addicts should be seen as deviants who contribute little to society and such behavior ought to be discouraged socially rather than legally. The same applies to lolicon. There's a dangerous slippery slope that comes with being apathetic towards people who get off to drawings of harmful behaviors. Why should people not be apathetic towards such activities with dolls, or robots? It gets to a point where these people are no longer socially marginalized and their behaviors become accepted and assimilated into the culture. Culture is ambivalent towards few things, things either fall into deviancy or acceptability, somewhere on that spectrum, and ambivalence soon becomes acceptance. Rock music is "whatever" becomes rock music is "good". Homosexuality moves from "whatever" to "good". The same applies to lolicon. As such, we should not be apathetic towards lolicon but should see it as a deviant behavior, less it be accepted by the culture at large.


Well, I am back from getting my phone fixed. Defective battery, eh. Seeing your reply made me look away from the screen with extreme confusion. I think you have absolutely missed what my point and the reasons I stated what I stated. Many people here seemed to get the idea and they disagreed respectfully, but you just state that I act like someone is wrong for feeling disgusted and as a result is a poor reflection of my ability to debate. You sir, have no actual comprehension of what my point ever was and your entire post is arguing against something that doesn't actually exist. I didn't defend or attack a moral position by saying morality is subjective. I was just making it clear that not everyone thinks the same and will see things a different way, so acting like it's factually correct is conceited. It had nothing to do with being disgusted or simply not liking Loli Porn, but you simply didn't get that from my OP. His moral argument wasn't dismissed at all and I didn't ever say he was wrong. His attitude and approach towards the topic was counter-productive and you have to be there to really understand where I'm coming from. This is also contradicted by my own behavior in this thread where multiple people have expressed their disgust and I didn't dismiss them at all. However, you state that I'm acting like expressing disgust here is a bad thing when I, myself is weirded out by some sexual loli stuff. You go on and on as if I'm attacking people who dislike and find the content wrong when I'm more expressing that it's simply something some dislike and that doesn't mean that it's essentially this issue that everyone makes it out to be. This includes making Loli-Porn out to be the same as pedophilia and trying to get banned. This is where the SJW point is made because in media we have SJW's trying to get games banned due to them being offended or simply not liking it due to something. Your saying "holding strong moral convictions does not make one an SJW" and say it's a fallacious argument, but the issue with YOUR argument is you're defending someone who you don't know. You don't know how this person presented themselves and how they behaved. Yet, you act like this person was somewhat justified. A smart person would ask questions for clarity to gain more context, but you on the other hand is fully behind this person and act as they're what you're making them out to be. You're making ignorant assumptions and that speaks to your integrity here because if you won't bother to be respectful then how will we actually continue discourse without it becoming a shouting match?

I'm not entitled a civil discussion under a context? What? The point of a civil discussion is for two people to be respectful in order for the discussion to actually progress. Attacking and smearing a person won't actually contribute to a discussion, but make it a hostile environment. I'm not acting as if I'm entitled, but it speaks to your maturity and ability to actually hold discussions if you come here not wanting to be respectful, but righteous and high on your morality.

"Third" You have no idea on how my moral system works anyway, but you assume you do. How about...you ASK ME A QUESTION TO BETTER UNDERSTAND ME!? That's what anyone with an open-mind and intending to understand their opposition's position would do, but you so far have yet to do that. It's as if you came here to "rip me a new one" instead of actually contribute to the discussion. I would never do something just because it's harmless, but hey...you think you know what my argument is better than me...TELL ME WHAT I WOULD DO... You literally made the same position on this as me saying that you believe Loli-Porn should be legal, but it still disgust you when IN THE OP I KINDA SAID THE SAME THING...but did you actually read the OP? Did you actually wanted to discuss about the topic with people? What is your intention? Actually, I don't want to further discuss with you and I would like it if you just leave. You're not actually going to make the thread any better, but create tension.
Don't even bother with this guy. I'm telling you, he went to another loli thread some months ago, posted some truly unintelligible things, and when (a lot) people called him out, he either ignored them, or replied with ad hominems and other kinds of fallacious arguments, until everyone just gave up replying. Not worth the time.
 
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Loli porn will always have an issue, cause lets face it. Its always wrong to watch underage porn even if its fiction or not. Thats just life bro. I suggest to prepare ur self to lose in arguments, Cause we are the ones doing the wrong things and they aren't.


Not really, most people who rant about it mostly just appeal to emotions/feelings without any actual arguments just like you just did. Can't lose an argument if the other side doesn't provide one, but just expresses how they personally feel about it. 'It's always wrong because I feel that way' is not an argument, it's just a personal statement with little implications in terms of actual argumentative value.


I'm not telling them that they're wrong for how they personally feel about it. That's what my post ended with stating that people dislike it for the simple reason that they dislike it. That's why the "subjectivity" point came up. It's fine to dislike Loli Porn. I think some aren't getting it. Thats what happens when you're overly righteous.
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Defenders of anime that sexualize children are quick to point out that since lolis are not actual children, no one is harmed by their sexualization. As long as no one is harmed, they argue, people are free to enjoy whatever sexual fantasy they want.

The trouble is that the sexualization of children is not limited to fetish hentai that is only encountered by people who deliberately seek it out. Harem series frequently present underage girls in a sexual fashion, and while I am aware that harem series are hardly known for healthy portrayals of sexuality, that lolicon is so prominent in a genre that is only tangentially related to it is suggests that the sexualization of children has become normalized in anime. It's hardly limited to harem. Sword Art Online, one of the most mainstream anime in existence features a scene where a loli is molested by a tentacle monster.

My issue is not with people deliberately seeking lolicon so much as it is with works that bring lolicon into mainstream media. Like it or not, the messages media presents affects the way people act and think in the real world, just as their values outside of anime affect how they view works.

When an anime villain murders innocent people, you root against them, even though no real people were harmed. Why should anime's portrayals of pedophilia be take as cute and funny when child molestation in the real world is horrible and disgusting?


Well, this is a topic different altogether. The point is that some people should be free to enjoy their fantasy as long no one is harmed. These people chose their lifestyle and have their own preferences. The SAO point is exaggerated. She wasn't raped or anything by the tentacle. I've seen a flash animation on Newgrounds where Starfire got destroyed by tentacles. Compare that to a tentacle holding a girl upside down in a game. Some people wouldn't see how it's "sexualizing her" and despite me knowing the stereotype I didn't think of hentai when that scene happened. People watching SAO aren't thinking of sexualizing little girls and many of them don't even care about that scene or actually reference it. I tell you this because I know so many people who like SAO and watch it...

Now I do agree with your point of how media can affect society and I do understand your concern there. However, I feel it's a slippery slope because it only blames media for some people when maybe it's some other factor. I also watched Death Note and you may root for Light Yagami, but do you ever go out and kill people yourself in the name of justice?
I listened to Ready To Die by Biggie Smalls or Notorious B.I.G do I now want to go out and sell drugs, shoot at cops and rob banks?

It depends on the person. Now I still agree that media can affect society, I think it doesn't necessarily affect "all" of society, but I can see how it can affect values and culture.
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if you're a lolicon, you're just simply sick :D
 
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I agree on the general idea that liking a specific kind of porn is very different to actually wanting to perform (I have nothing against incest porn, but I still find gross the idea of having sex with someone I'm actually related ). It's more about the idea of breaking the taboo than the actual fact. That's why most kinks don't bother me... as long it's between consenting adults.

That said, with Loli, and kids in general, I still find it wrong. Most may not be the sexual predators some people want them be, but still, as armless as it seems to be taken individually, having people defending it on public places (even virtual ones) is bad, because it's banalising the concept of pedophilia. And that is wrong. You can give all the argument you want (like the fact loli in hentai rarely behave like kids, but miniature versions of adults), and their argument may sometime even make sense, it's still wrong. Very wrong. Because admitting that loli porn is ok as long it doesn't really hurt anyone is just one step away from saying pedophilia is ok on the principle, if it doesn't hurt anyone. And that's a way I really don't want the society to go.

So yeah, as much as I love to call them closet pedophiles, I don't think someone that watch/read loli porn has to be a sexual predator in developpment. But I still think they should take a step back and see how moraly ambiguous and potentially dangerous it is, and just stop trying to defend so openly the idea that loli porn is ok. It is not. And as long as you defend this stance, don't be surprised to be treated like a pedophile. Maybe you, as an individual clearly see the line, but do you think someone that was raised in a society where child pornography is allowed as long as it's a cartoon will see the line as clearly as you are? I don't think so. I don't really have a problem with people that watch that kind of thing as their guilty pleasure, as long as they can draw the line (even if it's weird to me). But when I see someone defending loli porn as some people here, or even how they adamantly defend the sexualisation of little girls in mainstream animes, I'm not sure they can actually draw the line.

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Also, people should stop with the age of consent thing. Because most of the time they confuse age of consent and sexual majority. Age of consent is the age at which, it the person gave her consent, you will not be prosecuted with rape, but with child abuse. Under that age, even with the consent of the person, it's rape. Sexual majority is the age at which it's legally ok for you to have sex. So the fact that age of consent is 12 in japan doesn't mean it's legal to fuck a 12 y.o. kid, but that you won't be prosecuted for rape, but sexual assault/abuse.


No. People can hate or love Loli Porn as I don't care which. I'm not trying to convince people that Loli Porn is ok. I gave my opinion, but it's not intended to convince anyone that it's ok. I feel what you're saying is hyperbole. Liking Loli Porn and stating it isn't a big deal because it doesn't hurt anyone isn't necessarily one step away from pedophilia. It means that some people don't find it necessary to get upset about a guy or female pleasuring themselves to some fictional character created by some stranger or person who may look underaged. The reason being a pedophile is so disliked is how it's a security risk to kids.
I have a problem being told to get ready to be treated like a Pedophile despite not actually being a pedophile. That's the harmful behavior that needs to stop. Only treat me what I am or you'll only assassinate someone's character over a belief that they hold.
Some people may not be able to make the distinction between fiction and reality and that is a shame, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Loli Porn should be banned or that anyone else who may like it is the same.
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Don't even bother with this guy. I'm telling you, he went to another loli thread some months ago, posted some truly unintelligible things, and when (a lot) people called him out, he either ignored them, or replied with ad hominems and other kinds of fallacious arguments, until everyone just gave up replying. Not worth the time.


Definitely not worth the time. He strawwmanned my entire OP and acted like he "GOT ME" or something. Dude is counterproductive.
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if you're a lolicon, you're just simply sick :D


So...should I get some medicine for some people? Maybe...some.........















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Almost all of the people here are defending it. Your the few that disagree and for not any reason other than your moral compass.

Because y'all are a bunch of weirdos defending others weirdos who masturbate to kids. Says a lot about your lifestyles.


Am I weirdo because I defend the right for people to masturbate to fictional characters who may be kids? I mean....I don't give a damn if anyone likes it or not. I don't even watch or view Loli-porn.
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Am I weirdo because I defend the right for people to masturbate to fictional characters who may be kids?

Pretty much, yeah.

Or was that rhetorical?
 
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You just state that I act like someone is wrong for feeling disgusted and as a result is a poor reflection of my ability to debate.


Wrong, I stated the following:
Acting like someone is in the wrong for feeling disgusted at the thought of wanting to diddle a kid, drawn or not, and as a result is vitriolic towards anyone who thinks otherwise reflects poorly on your own ability to have this argument. If you're not prepared to be smeared, reviled, and mocked, then this isn't a topic you should debate.

The problem isn’t that you’re acting like someone is wrong for being disgusted, but rather they are wrong to hold a strong moral position on the matter and detest the idea of anyone who disagrees with them. I never stated that you think that they are wrong for holding strong convictions, but rather you think that their behavior is wrong and therefore you are unfit to have this discussion.

You sir, have no actual comprehension of what my point ever was and your entire post is arguing against something that doesn't actually exist.

That’s rather ironic given that you your first statement totally misses the point I was getting at.
I didn't defend or attack a moral position by saying morality is subjective. I was just making it clear that not everyone thinks the same and will see things a different way, so acting like it's factually correct is conceited.

And that comes across as incredibly dismissive. Rather than attacking their arguments directly, you subvert their critiques by arguing that they are fundamentally wrong by means of pointing out that “people think different things” (duh) and that morality is subjective (irrelevant).
His moral argument wasn't dismissed at all and I didn't ever say he was wrong.

You do not need to wholly disagree with an argument to be able to attack it. Critiquing someone’s reasoning is still a critique, regardless of your thoughts on their conclusions. As such, you are saying his reasoning is wrong because morality is subjective, when this is an otherwise vapid and poor argument to make. You claim that they believe that their opinions are factually supported, but rather than attacking their “facts” or their moral priors, you instead attempt to argue against the concept of objective morality itself.
However, you state that I'm acting like expressing disgust here is a bad thing when I, myself is weirded out by some sexual loli stuff.

Except I didn’t? Please find the quote where I say this. I’ve already addressed the fact that you were upset that someone was angry at someone disagreeing with a strongly held moral conviction, which is dumb, but I never said you didn’t think that lolicon wasn’t disgusting or that you think such disgust is a bad thing.
You go on and on as if I'm attacking people who dislike and find the content wrong when I'm more expressing that it's simply something some dislike and that doesn't mean that it's essentially this issue that everyone makes it out to be.

You know, for someone whose main point was their argument being misrepresented, you seem to be misrepresenting what I’m saying a lot, or you’re just outright wrong about what I said.
Your saying "holding strong moral convictions does not make one an SJW" and say it's a fallacious argument, but the issue with YOUR argument is you're defending someone who you don't know. You don't know how this person presented themselves and how they behaved. Yet, you act like this person was somewhat justified.

Not entirely sure how you came to the conclusion that I was defending someone who made fun of you from me refuting your arguments. All I did was tell you that you should expect people to get upset around such touchy subjects. If you’ve ever watched any of Destiny’s debate streams on twitch, you’d know that he is incredibly controversial for his arguments regarding (ethical) child porn and incest, but he is never upset or bothered by someone having a strong, emotionally driven opinion and understands that such topics are incredibly controversial.
A smart person would ask questions for clarity to gain more context, but you on the other hand is fully behind this person and act as they're what you're making them out to be. You're making ignorant assumptions and that speaks to your integrity here because if you won't bother to be respectful then how will we actually continue discourse without it becoming a shouting match?

I honestly couldn’t give two shits about what this dude said or did to you. I am not defending him. What I am doing is telling you that you should expect such people to exist and not fault them for existing.

I'm not entitled a civil discussion under a context? What? The point of a civil discussion is for two people to be respectful in order for the discussion to actually progress.

A bit of a typo in the post that I missed. You are not entitled to a civil discussion regardless of what the topic is. If you post something online about a controversial opinion you hold, then you have no right to complain about people attacking and degrading you. If you aren’t willing to accept those consequences, then you should talk about it. And judging by the rest of your posts in this thread, this guy really seemed to get under your skin. If a single person is able to bother you this much, then you should stay very far away from this topic. Otherwise you have no right to complain.
I'm not acting as if I'm entitled, but it speaks to your maturity and ability to actually hold discussions if you come here not wanting to be respectful, but righteous and high on your morality.

Now here you are coming across like being righteous and having strong moral convictions inhibits you from having a civil discussion, and that is just flat out wrong.
You have no idea on how my moral system works anyway, but you assume you do.

You stated that you don’t think lolicon should be illegal, because it’s harmless, but you are disgusted by it. However, you seem to speak very little about people who like lolicon, so it came across as you being rather apathetic towards them (you say that they can be weird and that’s about it), so I highlighted the flaw in this.
How about...you ASK ME A QUESTION TO BETTER UNDERSTAND ME!? That's what anyone with an open-mind and intending to understand their opposition's position would do, but you so far have yet to do that.

It is your job to present your views in a comprehensive manner. You’re not someone whose beliefs I find interesting so I have little reason to “understand” your beliefs. I simply think arguments are fun, nothing more, nothing less.
You literally made the same position on this as me saying that you believe Loli-Porn should be legal, but it still disgust you when IN THE OP I KINDA SAID THE SAME THING…

The difference is, I expressed disgust for people who get off to lolicon and provided my reasoning, whereas you simply refer to them as being “weird”
Actually, I don't want to further discuss with you and I would like it if you just leave. You're not actually going to make the thread any better, but create tension.

Pardon me. I guess this needs to be a safe space where in order to have a happy argument, everyone needs to conduct themselves with the same mannerisms as they would in a court of law. Can’t have anyone being a little bit aggressive, that could hurt someone’s feelings. And god forbid they come here for any other reason than to enlighten themselves with the thoughts of others. Guess I didn’t realize that MAL was the great hall of debate you make it out to be.
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Don't even bother with this guy. I'm telling you, he went to another loli thread some months ago, posted some truly unintelligible things, and when (a lot) people called him out, he either ignored them, or replied with ad hominems and other kinds of fallacious arguments, until everyone just gave up replying. Not worth the time.


Man, you really seem upset that someone seems to think ill of sickos who get off to drawings of kids. But at least tag me if you're going to be talking about me, kinda makes you come off as being a bit of a pussy who wants to talk shit, but doesn't want to do so to someone's face. Not cool dude.
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If someone watches loli porn they're probably a pedophile. Sorry, but it's the truth.


So when you play a videogame where you kill people, then you're probably a serial killer in real life ?

....Holy shit do you have autism ?


Killing people is something you have to do. It's an action.
Pedophilia is being attracted to children. You don't have to kidnap someone to be attracted to children.
Being attracted to children is disgusting and evil. Stay away from the kids.
 
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Because y'all are a bunch of weirdos defending others weirdos who masturbate to kids. Says a lot about your lifestyles.


Am I weirdo because I defend the right for people to masturbate to fictional characters who may be kids?

Yes, and you should be ashamed of it.
 
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"I also don't think that everyone who simply may like it is for the sole reason of them being a pedophile, but other possible reasons such as: Aesthetics, Context with the Character, Art-Style, etc."

"Context with the Character"

lol
1000 yr old loli boi. Like Lady Yupiel.
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So when you play a videogame where you kill people, then you're probably a serial killer in real life ?

....Holy shit do you have autism ?


Killing people is something you have to do. It's an action.
Pedophilia is being attracted to children. You don't have to kidnap someone to be attracted to children.
Being attracted to children is disgusting and evil. Stay away from the kids.
Killing people can be avoided. You do know that right? lol Better watch out people, this guy can kill because it's something to do.
Yeah right there is no way a doujin about vomit exists.
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Loli porn isn't illegal except in some countrys
 
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Loli porn isn't illegal except in some countrys


The issue wasn't about whether or not it's legal. This thread is mostly some dude being pissy about some discussion he had on another website, in which some dude was mean to him because of he views lolicon as disgusting, but ultimately harmless.
 
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Psyotic said:
agvsss said:
Loli porn isn't illegal except in some countrys


The issue wasn't about whether or not it's legal. This thread is mostly some dude being pissy about some discussion he had on another website, in which some dude was mean to him because of he views lolicon as disgusting, but ultimately harmless.


Yep but there is no issue with loli porn unless you live in a country where its illegal, btw you're not pedo if you like loli porn (imo).
 
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Yep but there is no issue with loli porn unless you live in a country where its illegal, btw you're not pedo if you like loli porn (imo).

There may be no legal issue, but that doesn't mean someone won't face social repercussions for their taste in erotica. Even in Japan where the industry is large enough to lobby parliament to keep lolicon legal, there is a huge social stigma surrounding it and while it wouldn't be as damaging as having the authorities find CP on your computer, you would still risk losing a significant amount of social capital.
 
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Psyotic said:
agvsss said:
Yep but there is no issue with loli porn unless you live in a country where its illegal, btw you're not pedo if you like loli porn (imo).

There may be no legal issue, but that doesn't mean someone won't face social repercussions for their taste in erotica. Even in Japan where the industry is large enough to lobby parliament to keep lolicon legal, there is a huge social stigma surrounding it and while it wouldn't be as damaging as having the authorities find CP on your computer, you would still risk losing a significant amount of social capital.


I can agree with that
Thanks for the comments btw
 
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In defense of point #2 Yes lolicon panders to pedophiles, but this does not make all who enjoy loli porn pedophilic. There is a difference between an animated child and a real child. Even anime girls who are of age often look younger than they are said to be because they have smooth skin, high pitched voices and youthful mannerisms. In hentai the concept of virginity, which is tied to youth is expressly praised and inexperience is seen as a good thing. It is only natural for someone who is interested in hentai to explore the youngest, the purest the most beautiful girls if they so desire. If this disgusts you that is fine but you shouldn't label everyone who watched loli porn a pedophile.
Also for pedophiles (that loli porn panders to) it is a healthy alternative to actual CP.
In defense of point #4
The significance of this is that while they do share features with actual young girls, lolis and young girls are starkly different. It is possible, and common, for someone to be attracted to animated lolis but not real children, precisely because of the features that differ between the two groups.
 
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I'm very impress with you taking your own stance, I'm just a person on the internet, but know that if I were there, i'd stance on your side.
my personal view on loli is that they're just one of the fetish in the millions.

there're 7 billions people on earth, each with difference look, thought process, and obviously, fetish. I'm 100% certain that someone you know will have an fetish involve sumission, bondage, domination, femdom, or just super sexist. Does that mean that they will rape the first person they see, not likely. This basically the violence in game argument, which I hope that we can all agree that violence games(say, mortal combat) are NOT the cause of violence.

Is the reason people like loli porn are because they like children in some weird way? probably. Will that lead them to rape the kids that they saw first thing in the morning? NO.
- notice that if you change "loli porn" to "violence game", it's essentially the same thing

Why do they banned child porn? Because it involve actual children in the making, which is obviously f*ck up. That would be the same as a game that used the death of actual human for the violence scenes.
I don't see anything wrong with Loli porn. It's indeed distasteful, but then again, some people also find 50 Shades of Grey to be distasteful.

that's just my 2 cents on the matter
 
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@Psyotic
In defense of point #2 Yes lolicon panders to pedophiles, but this does not make all who enjoy loli porn pedophilic. There is a difference between an animated child and a real child. Even anime girls who are of age often look younger than they are said to be because they have smooth skin, high pitched voices and youthful mannerisms. In hentai the concept of virginity, which is tied to youth is expressly praised and inexperience is seen as a good thing. It is only natural for someone who is interested in hentai to explore the youngest, the purest the most beautiful girls if they so desire. If this disgusts you that is fine but you shouldn't label everyone who watched loli porn a pedophile.
Also for pedophiles (that loli porn panders to) it is a healthy alternative to actual CP.
In defense of point #4
The significance of this is that while they do share features with actual young girls, lolis and young girls are starkly different. It is possible, and common, for someone to be attracted to animated lolis but not real children, precisely because of the features that differ between the two groups.



Don’t actually get involved with him. The conversation won’t go anywhere.
Sincerely, from Scorpio.

 
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jaklefire said:
@Psyotic
In defense of point #2 Yes lolicon panders to pedophiles, but this does not make all who enjoy loli porn pedophilic. There is a difference between an animated child and a real child. Even anime girls who are of age often look younger than they are said to be because they have smooth skin, high pitched voices and youthful mannerisms. In hentai the concept of virginity, which is tied to youth is expressly praised and inexperience is seen as a good thing. It is only natural for someone who is interested in hentai to explore the youngest, the purest the most beautiful girls if they so desire. If this disgusts you that is fine but you shouldn't label everyone who watched loli porn a pedophile.

I wouldn't automatically label someone who watches lolicon a pedophile, but it does throw up enough red flags that I wouldn't associate with them any more than I had to.

Also for pedophiles (that loli porn panders to) it is a healthy alternative to actual CP.

Aye. I'd much rather have pedos watching loli rather than CP, which is another reason I don't think it should be illegal.

In defense of point #4
The significance of this is that while they do share features with actual young girls, lolis and young girls are starkly different. It is possible, and common, for someone to be attracted to animated lolis but not real children, precisely because of the features that differ between the two groups.

Fair enough. There are people in this world who genuinely prefer waifus over real women. But those women are also portrayed as adults so I guess being into lolicon would just make you a cartoon pedophile (which is roughly what the term translates too iirc).
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Don’t actually get involved with him. The conversation won’t go anywhere.

That's because you pussied out before the conversation actually could develop and have since resorted to making passive aggressive comments like @lord_sithis thinking I won't notice. Like I told him, it's a bit of a bitch move.
 
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