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Mar 23, 2018 5:31 AM
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I never had that in mind. How much money do Cartoon Porn artists make? If it really is extremely profitable to that degree or atleast gets them by then how much do they earn distributing or creating such art?


I dunno about the porn industry, but the anime industry (with the exception of KyoAni) often hires freelancers from South East Asia to get the work done. In order to compete with them, Japanese artists have to satisfy themselves with basically minimum pay wages. The hours are gruelling, so they don't leave much room for freelancing, par time jobs or even personal hobbies.
 
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Seriously, I would be more creeped out by people who associate lolis with real children than by people who fap to lolis.
 
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@Kagami I know you don't like me, but I'd be pleased if you read. "This restriction of freedom of thought goes against basic human rights" isn't a fact. Watching free porn online isn't a fucking basic human right, lolis or not.

I don't think I treated @Pullman with a hollier-than-thou attitude. I disagree with some of his points and I'm abrasive on that topic, but he's able to give better arguments than "My basic human rights :'c" and I have respect for that.


I don't think you've treated anyone with a "Hollier-than-thou" attitude. You felt that Lolis not looking like kids is a bullshit argument because of what they represent in literature. However, when it came to @jaklefire's point I felt it was reasonable.

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5. Criminalizing Loli hentai is criminalizing an aspect of imagination, since lolis do not exist in reality. This restriction of freedom of thought goes against basic human rights.


I disagree the moment it states that it's a restriction of freedom of thought. It's not really restricting the thought, but the action. I think I understand where he is coming from here. It's restricting people to express their thoughts on paper or in a cinema sense, but I feel this argument is trival and less important as we can make this argument for child porn to which it can be passed off as "art". People have their perception and standards to wha passes as art, but who cares really? As much as I understand that perspective it's not really the one that is important when it comes to the concern.
I feel that since the Loli Porn isn't hurting one physically that it isn't a huge issue. Thats where I can understand limiting someone from expressing their creativity in a way is unfair as it doesn't really harm people. Taking the ability away to draw or create something fictional here is where I relate with @jaklefire.
Basic Human right?
@Clebardman What are the basic human rights in your opinion? I have a hard time not seeing how taking the right to create art in this sense isn't a possible violation of rights here.
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Nobody can be a pedophile as we are all of the same age, our bodies composed of molecules created in the seemingly singular instant that the universe was born. This material has been recycled throughout eons existing in various forms and hence, we are all equally old.
Do I take that as you accept DIlF loli doujins, Kona?
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Bourmegar said:
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Damn...I just thought about that...
Usually, every girl in anime has unusually big tits and it's so unrealisitic, man. LMAO, I find it more comedic. Prison School had so much fanservice, but yet it made me laugh than made me grab a sock and lotion.

Actually that seems to happen more with shounen shows as far as I have seen.
Most Seinen, Shoujo and Josei don't have such disproportionate curves as far as I know.


Can you show me a picture? I feel I'm imagining too far off...
Gurren Lugan is a shonen, but stick with me.
Yoko doesn't have disproportionately big boobs, but Shizuka from High School of the Dead has huge tits.....
Is Yoko the type of girl you're referring to?
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Actually that seems to happen more with shounen shows as far as I have seen.
Most Seinen, Shoujo and Josei don't have such disproportionate curves as far as I know.


Can you show me a picture? I feel I'm imagining too far off...
Gurren Lugan is a shonen, but stick with me.
Yoko doesn't have disproportionately big boobs, but Shizuka from High School of the Dead has huge tits.....
Is Yoko the type of girl you're referring to?

Well Yoko is sexy AF but no. I am more referring to the likes of Fairy tail where girls either have big boobs or are flat.
Or characters like Modern Nami from one piece

I mean she has big breasts and butt but she is so slender...
 
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Well Yoko is sexy AF but no. I am more referring to the likes of Fairy tail where girls either have big boobs or are flat.
Or characters like Modern Nami from one piece

I mean she has big breasts and butt but she is so slender...


Ah, I see what you're saying now. Look at her stomach. An example of a female character who is more "realistic"?
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Modern Nami got a big forhead :D (even tough i never watched it)
 
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Well Yoko is sexy AF but no. I am more referring to the likes of Fairy tail where girls either have big boobs or are flat.
Or characters like Modern Nami from one piece

I mean she has big breasts and butt but she is so slender...


Ah, I see what you're saying now. Look at her stomach. An example of a female character who is more "realistic"?

Well Female character with more proportionate curves are:
Kaori from Your Lie in April

She is like 14-15 yrs old and has a slender figure and not so big curves.
Same goes for Future Kagura (and all the other ladies from Gintama) from Gintama


And yes both examples are from shounen shows as well.
 
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People like this mostly don't even know shit about the whole industry. If you think that loli porn should be illegal you probably only heard about it on some blog or watched like 2-3 hentai.

Loli porn is pretty goddamn vanilla compared to some other fetishes in hentai.
And to not just count lolis, but pedophilia as a whole, most hentai characters are in highschool. So yeah, basically most of it is jerking off to minors.

Anyways, it's completely irrelevant to discuss something like that about a media where shit like tentacle rape happens. A 60 year old can look like a 10 year old and vice versa.
It's seriously the same people that think that violent video games make school-shooters.

Nevertheless, anyone who faps to lolis has garbage taste.
 
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When pope says be religious to save yourself from sins, people says it's their life, their own beliefs. When they fap to lolis, people says they are immoral and whatnot. When you listen to people, it's a never ending story.
 
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If someone watches loli porn they're probably a pedophile. Sorry, but it's the truth.
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My stance on this topic is basically what @Clebardman said except that I don't found that unslightly. I've jerked off to my fair share of loli porn myself.

Btw damn Cleb, you've watched Monmusu???
 
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If someone watches loli porn they're probably a pedophile. Sorry, but it's the truth.


Truth? Huh, I've never seen the word bullshit spelled like that. Interesting.
 
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TL;DR: Fiction is fiction, there's nothing wrong with it.
 
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My stance on this topic is basically what @Clebardman said except that I don't found that unslightly. I've jerked off to my fair share of loli porn myself.

Btw damn Cleb, you've watched Monmusu???

Yes, because monster girls are cool. That show however... really wasn't my cup of tea. (Plus they only lewd the fucking loli harpy @___@)

@Halpher We're not talking about freedom of thought tho. We're talking about an industry wich makes money out of drawing pornographic material depicting underage children. I'll say again I'm not for banning loli porn (not without data that proves it has a negative effect), but I don't see how people can pretend banning it would be some 1984-esque "let's ban thoughtcrime!" shit. Nothing will ever prevent people from sexualizing children in their heads and getting off to that. As for the art argument...we'd need to have a long, serious and educated debate to agree on some answers to questions like "can pornography be art?" "is pornography always art?" "are drawings always art?" and "can art touch every subject, from every angle?". I'm sure I'm not ready to have that debate here, I'd need to study a bit first (^:

@Gogetters Nice sig, but it undermines the point you're trying to make (^:
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I like my lolis in 2D form, 3D is a turn off for me. Don't ask me why, I don't get it either.
 
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Moral and legal issues aside, all I know for sure is that I wouldn't leave my kids with a loli porn fanatic.

Ain't taking that risk...
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The basic human right I'm referring to is freedom of expression. Since lolis do not represent real people (and in the case where someone is drawing loli hentai from reference, that SHOULD be illegal because it is molestation of the subject. Taking someone's likeness and making porn out of it should require consent but that's another problem entirely) they are an expression of someone's imagination. Someone has has the right to express what is on their mind be it through words, text or images. It wouldn't be illegal to draw someone being mangled with a chainsaw or fucked by a boar, how then is drawing the likeness of a nude child any different?

As for those who feel that lolicon does not qualify as art, one must ask what is art? The Miller Test was a test designed to determine whether or not something is protected under the umbrella of free speech. The problem with this is that it determines whether something is obscene by adhering to "agreed up community standards determined by an average person". The problem here is that this can apply to all fetishes. Should BDSM be criminalized because it does not appeal to an average person, is patently offensive in a sexual way and holds no literary, artistic, political, or scientific value?

Pornography has some value, or else people would not pay for it. To criminalize lolicon is to criminalize all animated fetish porn since a distinction that applies to only loli hentai can be extrapolated to cover guro, scat, egg laying, expansion, rape, BDSM and all sorts of other niche fetishes. It is the duty of the law to protect the free speech and rights of minority groups instead of ostracizing and normalizing them.
 
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Mental retardation appeared. #nomorecharlimit

Pedophile appeared, hide your kids everyone.
Is it you?Because this post is just retarded. #Monkey
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@Kagami I know you don't like me, but I'd be pleased if you read. "This restriction of freedom of thought goes against basic human rights" isn't a fact. Watching free porn online isn't a fucking basic human right, lolis or not.

I don't think I treated @Pullman with a hollier-than-thou attitude. I disagree with some of his points and I'm abrasive on that topic, but he's able to give better arguments than "My basic human rights :'c" and I have respect for that.


To be fair I don't really think you should need any more arguments aside from freedom of expression/artistic freedom to be against criminalizing or forbidding loli porn if that's what we're talking about. Not much riles me up more than the concept of victimless thought crimes being persecuted.

But when it comes to the pedophilia accusations that isn't really a relevant argument xD


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Yes, basically that. Because in order for some pornographic material to be made there has to be someone who does it; no matters how normal or weird it is. For example, if a porn film is about an orgy in a forest maybe someone may like it but the weird thing is how this film was even thinked of being made.


Reality cheque: People make sexualized lolis bc they're paid to do so. Very few artists would be happy and willing to delve into such a genre. And honestly, money trumps morality. If I were an artist and someone paid me good money to create lolis, I wouldn't think twice before taking up on their offer (despite my negative feelings about sexualization of children). We're all hypocrites willing to sell out souls for money.
Don't blame the artists - blame the audience for consuming such media.


I didn't know Doujin artists get paid in advance for their works. I must have misunderstood the whole concept of 'self-publishing' then...

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Mar 23, 2018 9:26 AM
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I don't even know what a loli is anymore. It seems like every anime girl is now a loli. Someone I talked to had called Hifumi from New Game a loli or close to one. Don't even know how.
 
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I never had that in mind. How much money do Cartoon Porn artists make? If it really is extremely profitable to that degree or atleast gets them by then how much do they earn distributing or creating such art?


I dunno about the porn industry, but the anime industry (with the exception of KyoAni) often hires freelancers from South East Asia to get the work done. In order to compete with them, Japanese artists have to satisfy themselves with basically minimum pay wages. The hours are gruelling, so they don't leave much room for freelancing, par time jobs or even personal hobbies.
Some productions have studios in places like Korea or Thailand and pay the worker there to get the drawings done and stuff for a cheaper price. Practically they do some scenes for shows and and Japan does the rest. Toei animations is one of the more famous studios that do this and their work has shown it in stuff like DragonBall Super. Of course thatt doesn't mean it's going to be fhe best in quality like the Blue ray in which they redo some scenes to make it look better from Japanese artist that can draw really well. But it can make it less stressful for the animators in Japan to do their jobs.
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Some productions have studios in places like Korea or Thailand and pay the worker there to get the drawings done and stuff. Practically they do some scenes for shows and and Japan does the rest. Toei animations is one of the more famous studios that do this and their work has shown it in stuff like DragknBall Super


Really? Do you mind sharing some links on this topic?
 
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What is the issue? There is no issue. i have no issue with loli porn. I just dont watch it. We all shall respect minors and only hold hands.
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Loli porn is not my cup of tea, however I think it is fine as long as you can separate fiction from reality. Because there are always people who can't do that, which is probably why loli porn is associated with pedophilia.


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Sonal1988 said:
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Some productions have studios in places like Korea or Thailand and pay the worker there to get the drawings done and stuff. Practically they do some scenes for shows and and Japan does the rest. Toei animations is one of the more famous studios that do this and their work has shown it in stuff like DragknBall Super


Really? Do you mind sharing some links on this topic?
https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-Japanese-anime-is-actually-drawn-in-Japan one of the posters actually has a well done response to this and answered it well. Though it is common knowledge that any animation studio outsources their works so that the time crunch isn't bad.
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Really? Do you mind sharing some links on this topic?
https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-Japanese-anime-is-actually-drawn-in-Japan one of the posters actually has a well done response to this and answered it well. Though it is common knowledge that any animation studio outsources their works so that the time crunch isn't bad.


I actually didn't know about the Korea bit. Thank you!
 
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Sonal1988 said:
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https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-Japanese-anime-is-actually-drawn-in-Japan one of the posters actually has a well done response to this and answered it well. Though it is common knowledge that any animation studio outsources their works so that the time crunch isn't bad.


I actually didn't know about the Korea bit. Thank you!
No problem! At this point it's common knowledge to people who are ankmtion in general. I'd also recommend Shirabako as it also shows an animators life and how they do some stuff in the industry.(You probably watched it already though.)
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People like this mostly don't even know shit about the whole industry. If you think that loli porn should be illegal you probably only heard about it on some blog or watched like 2-3 hentai.

Loli porn is pretty goddamn vanilla compared to some other fetishes in hentai.
And to not just count lolis, but pedophilia as a whole, most hentai characters are in highschool. So yeah, basically most of it is jerking off to minors.

Anyways, it's completely irrelevant to discuss something like that about a media where shit like tentacle rape happens. A 60 year old can look like a 10 year old and vice versa.
It's seriously the same people that think that violent video games make school-shooters.

Nevertheless, anyone who faps to lolis has garbage taste.


How is it irrelevant? Not to misinterpret your point or anything, but your wording approaching this can create misunderstanding. I want to know who are you referring to when you said, "People like this". Is it me or the person in the story I brought up? Likely you meant the person I brought up seeing you bring up "if you think it should be illegal". I'd ask you to be more clear for more efficient dialogue. I don't think it's irrelevant in this sense to discuss about this as this conversation isn't solely about the ethics, but it's relation to pedophilia as well. Should it be illegal?
Seeing your subsequent sentences make it obvious on what you think.

To what you brought up by the way..I actually forgot that Hentai from what people stereotype it as is usually high school girls getting raped or f**ked by tentacle monsters. It's due to me seeing hentai and it not all being tentacle rape. It's not even in my mind that the girls are sometimes high school girls.
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It's not News that the "Kindchenschema" (Scheme of little Children) is considered cute and can be attractive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuteness
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A Loli is an abstract Depiction of a little female Girl. She may be already an Adult or some ridiculous Fantasy Being having lived several hundreds or thousands of Years.

Aside from the visual Appeal, there is the Possibility that the Gap between her ripe Mind and her unripe-seeming Body could be appealing as well.
 
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No problem! At this point it's common knowledge to people who are ankmtion in general. I'd also recommend Shirabako as it also shows an animators life and how they do some stuff in the industry.(You probably watched it already though.)


I really wanted to. That, and the one on manga making. Sadly, neither have dubs, so they aren't very high on my priority list.
 
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The basic human right I'm referring to is freedom of expression. Since lolis do not represent real people (and in the case where someone is drawing loli hentai from reference, that SHOULD be illegal because it is molestation of the subject. Taking someone's likeness and making porn out of it should require consent but that's another problem entirely) they are an expression of someone's imagination. Someone has has the right to express what is on their mind be it through words, text or images. It wouldn't be illegal to draw someone being mangled with a chainsaw or fucked by a boar, how then is drawing the likeness of a nude child any different?

As for those who feel that lolicon does not qualify as art, one must ask what is art? The Miller Test was a test designed to determine whether or not something is protected under the umbrella of free speech. The problem with this is that it determines whether something is obscene by adhering to "agreed up community standards determined by an average person". The problem here is that this can apply to all fetishes. Should BDSM be criminalized because it does not appeal to an average person, is patently offensive in a sexual way and holds no literary, artistic, political, or scientific value?

Pornography has some value, or else people would not pay for it. To criminalize lolicon is to criminalize all animated fetish porn since a distinction that applies to only loli hentai can be extrapolated to cover guro, scat, egg laying, expansion, rape, BDSM and all sorts of other niche fetishes. It is the duty of the law to protect the free speech and rights of minority groups instead of ostracizing and normalizing them.


Ah, I see. I already stated what your stance was, but I'm genuinely happy that you clarified it yourself. So I see you may have accidentally made an error when you made it out to be a restriction of thought. Ok, I definitely see where you're coming from here. I have the same thought in my head. I feel they do have the right to express themselves, but in a manner that doesn't enact physical harm onto anyone. Loliporn does not harm anyone and thats why I feel it's not ok to just ban it because some people are disgusted with it. In my OP I did say how it feel a little SJW-like with the opposition's reasoning. We're on the same side when it comes to protecting the right to express or like what you like in this sense.
Also, I agree when it comes to what quantify as art because I hate when people state that what passes as art is a arbitrary scale to what appeals to them. It's arrogant and conceited to me as it attempts to incorporate and make morality and art terms needed to define one another.

The thing in this thread is that some people have expressed not liking it, but not feeling it should be banned. It's not whether or not you find value in the content, but more respecting the right to indulge in whatever you like or express in a way that isn't harming anyone.
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I like my lolis in 2D form, 3D is a turn off for me. Don't ask me why, I don't get it either.


Oh..so aesthetic could be a huge factor here.
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If someone watches loli porn they're probably a pedophile. Sorry, but it's the truth.


Truth? Huh, I've never seen the word bullshit spelled like that. Interesting.


LMAO! Your post had me dying, man. I disliked that post too.
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If anyone ever asks why there is such a stigma around watching anime just show them this wonderful thread


This thread isn't so bad actually. People here are actually respectful and cool compared to other threads. The topic is just a controversial one and the average person could be turned off from it. I can see this topic turning some away at a first glance.
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There isn't an issue, as long as you know the difference between a drawing and a real life girl

It's perfectly fine for people to sexually like lolis in anime and manga, as long as they don't bring that mindset into the real world, where things actually matter, and have severe consequences
 
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If someone watches loli porn they're probably a pedophile. Sorry, but it's the truth.


So when you play a videogame where you kill people, then you're probably a serial killer in real life ?

....Holy shit do you have autism ?
 
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aliquae said:
Loli porn is not my cup of tea, however I think it is fine as long as you can separate fiction from reality. Because there are always people who can't do that, which is probably why loli porn is associated with pedophilia.


A problem I had with the person I referenced in my OP is how even if Loli Porn isn't your thing and you don't really watch it or like it, but express how it's not really a problem, for some reason you're a sick person.
That mentality to me is so closed-minded and judgmental as anyone who disagrees is sick for the reason that they're sick.

It's how I one time told that person that Pedophiles don't like Kids because they're sick like how Murders don't simply kill for the sole reason that they're sick. The "Sick" part comes from how you perceive the action or thought which isn't bad, but your opinion. I mainly was saying that Pedos like kids because something about kids they find attractive about them as like Serial Killers do it because something about it they may like. Looking at it this way actually helps you assess and interpret things better than just handling it with emotion. If we can understand things better can we handle things better. It's the same for Science and Engineering. You need to understand things to understand why it happens and how it works.
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Mar 23, 2018 10:19 AM

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DoctorWasabi said:
ExactlyStandard said:
If someone watches loli porn they're probably a pedophile. Sorry, but it's the truth.


So when you play a videogame where you kill people, then you're probably a serial killer in real life ?

....Holy shit do you have autism ?


actually, weird thing is, you are probably the autistic one being attracted to not human things.... and identifying more with the expressions in 2D than 3D....
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DoctorWasabi said:
ExactlyStandard said:
If someone watches loli porn they're probably a pedophile. Sorry, but it's the truth.


So when you play a videogame where you kill people, then you're probably a serial killer in real life ?

....Holy shit do you have autism ?


I bet you like two people fighting to the death in an anime, so you must be this sick individual in real life who wants to make two people fight to the death. I bet you have two slaves in your basement fighting to the death.

I bet you like Pirates...therefore you like Criminals who break the law and do mischievous acts.

This logic can be stupid at times. Not trying to misinterpret anyone.
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I see no problem when everything stays inside fiction universe. The problem is when people decide to bring it to reality.
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Halpher said:
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People like this mostly don't even know shit about the whole industry. If you think that loli porn should be illegal you probably only heard about it on some blog or watched like 2-3 hentai.

Loli porn is pretty goddamn vanilla compared to some other fetishes in hentai.
And to not just count lolis, but pedophilia as a whole, most hentai characters are in highschool. So yeah, basically most of it is jerking off to minors.

Anyways, it's completely irrelevant to discuss something like that about a media where shit like tentacle rape happens. A 60 year old can look like a 10 year old and vice versa.
It's seriously the same people that think that violent video games make school-shooters.

Nevertheless, anyone who faps to lolis has garbage taste.


How is it irrelevant? Not to misinterpret your point or anything, but your wording approaching this can create misunderstanding. I want to know who are you referring to when you said, "People like this". Is it me or the person in the story I brought up? Likely you meant the person I brought up seeing you bring up "if you think it should be illegal". I'd ask you to be more clear for more efficient dialogue. I don't think it's irrelevant in this sense to discuss about this as this conversation isn't solely about the ethics, but it's relation to pedophilia as well. Should it be illegal?
Seeing your subsequent sentences make it obvious on what you think.

To what you brought up by the way..I actually forgot that Hentai from what people stereotype it as is usually high school girls getting raped or f**ked by tentacle monsters. It's due to me seeing hentai and it not all being tentacle rape. It's not even in my mind that the girls are sometimes high school girls.


Should be pretty obvious that i'm referring to the person you mentioned.

It is irrelevant, because of how endless the discussion is. It is quite a niche media in which anything possible can be added into it. Trying to ban just the lolicon aspect of it would be incredibly close-minded, because like i said, there's way more immoral stuff existing.

Does it have a relation to pedophilia? Obviously. But it's not real. The loli isn't real, so no one gets harmed and i would say it actually lessens the instances of someone commiting pedophilia in real life.

It's just art. People are drawn to something they find aesthetically pleasing.
 
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Energetic-Nova said:
DoctorWasabi said:


So when you play a videogame where you kill people, then you're probably a serial killer in real life ?

....Holy shit do you have autism ?


actually, weird thing is, you are probably the autistic one being attracted to not human things.... and identifying more with the expressions in 2D than 3D....


I heavily disagree. Why is it "autistic" (By the way everyone spams that word now) to be attracted to more imaginative, abstract or simply animated things? There is sometimes emotion and feeling put into art or animation as a whole. There are reasons fiction can make one cry than something in real life. I find your comment really immature and just petty. Either one likes or be attracted to 3D things or you're autistic. My goodness, man.
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Halpher said:

A problem I had with the person I referenced in my OP is how even if Loli Porn isn't your thing and you don't really watch it or like it, but express how it's not really a problem, for some reason you're a sick person.
That mentality to me is so closed-minded and judgmental as anyone who disagrees is sick for the reason that they're sick.

It's how I one time told that person that Pedophiles don't like Kids because they're sick like how Murders don't simply kill for the sole reason that they're sick. The "Sick" part comes from how you perceive the action or thought which isn't bad, but your opinion. I mainly was saying that Pedos like kids because something about kids they find attractive about them as like Serial Killers do it because something about it they may like. Looking at it this way actually helps you assess and interpret things better than just handling it with emotion. If we can understand things better can we handle things better. It's the same for Science and Engineering. You need to understand things to understand why it happens and how it works.


It's an interesting perspective, but I do think pedophiles are sick in their head. Murderers however can have different reasons for murdering, but no one in their right mind wants to do sexual things with a kid.

However, that's a different issue then the person you're talking about. He says basically: if you don't like violent movies but don't express how it's a problem, then you're a violent person yourself. And that's just retarded. However, I draw the line with real child porn, only pedophiles watch that. in my opinion. I do think child porn is different from loli porn, however.

I hope this post makes sense somehow, haha.


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Corvus8 said:
Halpher said:


How is it irrelevant? Not to misinterpret your point or anything, but your wording approaching this can create misunderstanding. I want to know who are you referring to when you said, "People like this". Is it me or the person in the story I brought up? Likely you meant the person I brought up seeing you bring up "if you think it should be illegal". I'd ask you to be more clear for more efficient dialogue. I don't think it's irrelevant in this sense to discuss about this as this conversation isn't solely about the ethics, but it's relation to pedophilia as well. Should it be illegal?
Seeing your subsequent sentences make it obvious on what you think.

To what you brought up by the way..I actually forgot that Hentai from what people stereotype it as is usually high school girls getting raped or f**ked by tentacle monsters. It's due to me seeing hentai and it not all being tentacle rape. It's not even in my mind that the girls are sometimes high school girls.


Should be pretty obvious that i'm referring to the person you mentioned.

It is irrelevant, because of how endless the discussion is. It is quite a niche media in which anything possible can be added into it. Trying to ban just the lolicon aspect of it would be incredibly close-minded, because like i said, there's way more immoral stuff existing.

Does it have a relation to pedophilia? Obviously. But it's not real. The loli isn't real, so no one gets harmed and i would say it actually lessens the instances of someone commiting pedophilia in real life.

It's just art. People are drawn to something they find aesthetically pleasing.


I am slow and I apologize for my lack of ability to correctly interpret your post there. I wanted to be sure, so that I wouldn't accidentally misrepresent you.
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aliquae said:
Halpher said:

A problem I had with the person I referenced in my OP is how even if Loli Porn isn't your thing and you don't really watch it or like it, but express how it's not really a problem, for some reason you're a sick person.
That mentality to me is so closed-minded and judgmental as anyone who disagrees is sick for the reason that they're sick.

It's how I one time told that person that Pedophiles don't like Kids because they're sick like how Murders don't simply kill for the sole reason that they're sick. The "Sick" part comes from how you perceive the action or thought which isn't bad, but your opinion. I mainly was saying that Pedos like kids because something about kids they find attractive about them as like Serial Killers do it because something about it they may like. Looking at it this way actually helps you assess and interpret things better than just handling it with emotion. If we can understand things better can we handle things better. It's the same for Science and Engineering. You need to understand things to understand why it happens and how it works.


It's an interesting perspective, but I do think pedophiles are sick in their head. Murderers however can have different reasons for murdering, but no one in their right mind wants to do sexual things with a kid.

However, that's a different issue then the person you're talking about. He says basically: if you don't like violent movies but don't express how it's a problem, then you're a violent person yourself. And that's just retarded. However, I draw the line with real child porn, only pedophiles watch that. in my opinion. I do think child porn is different from loli porn, however.

I hope this post makes sense somehow, haha.


Thats fine if you think Pedos are sick in the head.
Dude kept talking and bringing it up. Dude showed pictures and kept bitching about it. I felt he was a SJW and while no one cared or looked into it because seriously who cares? This guy was trying to make it everyones problem.
I never thought of loli's or child cartoon porn until this guy kept putting it in my face to bitch about it.
I have no problem with him not liking it, but holy shit...."Shut the fuck up"...
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Yes, I totally agree with the line 'Moral is a subjective concept.'
However I would like to say a few stuff regarding Pedophilia. Imagine having a child. An innocent child who knows nothing about sexual experience. How safe would you feel sending this child out? Knowing there are people who might rape your child. There's nothing right or wrong, but we have to establish a right or wrong in order to keep our race safe. If murdering was considered as no wrong deed then you or I would've probably not been alive rn.

Regarding loli porn, yes it might seem something which is not even related to paedophilia, but in my personal opinion I do feel it's an expression of repressed sexual desires. Maybe these people have *UNCONSCIOUSLY* repressed their paedophilic desires. And I must say, it's great they have repressed it. In this aspect, I'd support loli porn because at least their desires are not shown irl.
What you do at home and with yourself is completely your choice and no one shall object you for doing it.
PS: This is really a hypothesis and maybe I'm totally wrong. But a lot of theories have been put forward talking about kinks/fetishes being repressed sexual desires. Thanks.
 
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Botan-Chan45 said:
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Pedophile appeared, hide your kids everyone.
Is it you?Because this post is just retarded. #Monkey

There's only one guy defending loli porn here, and that's definitely not me. You could have figured it out yourself.
 
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