DreamingBeats said: teruu said: Alright Mr.Technical just so you know The laws of globalization have made it abundantly clear that most people share the same sense of humor. And since anime, especially comedy anime tends to be family friendly it's light hearted humor. Now you might think you actually know what you are talking about but Japanese forums have also criticized anime for lacking wittiness and humor. So much for acting like you know what you're talking about. The irony of being an outsider beams much harder than I imagined Alright Mr.Hollier-than-thou, just so you know. anime is made for the Japanese audience. not for your own glorified self. Now you might think you have a superior taste in anime and if you don't like comedy in one anime, no-one should, either. i hate to break this for you: people have different tastes. maybe you don't like the comedy in anime, and that's fine. some people prefer different forms of comedy. you're not the center of the world. Yeah, I'm gonna agree with DreamingBeats here, and just in general actually. Comedy is frequently "lost in translation." You can't expect different cultures to get the same jokes in the same way that you couldn't tell a programmer humor joke to a team of uneducated drunks. It's simply the wrong joke for the wrong crowd. A lot of the humor in anime is word play, or puns. This is the hardest type to bridge a gap with, the pun can be based on a common mispronunciation, or a difference in the stroke order for different Kanji. The same way we would notice God and Dog being switched. Something like, "Officer I swear to drunk I'm not god." is a good example of a common English joke, which could easily fall flat in translation. The point is, the humor is developed with a trust that the audience has a mutual understanding of the topic or subject matter. Humor can cross borders between similar cultures. British comedians can do well in North America, American and Canadian Comedians can do well in Britain. You get the picture. But between different cultures? Translation's not 1:1. Otherwise google translate would be all you need to laugh. It's not like Japan doesn't have a sense of humor and can't hire good writers. There are of course, popular comedies like the famous Gintama, which does translate frequently well into english. Since a lot of it is simple straight man gags. With expectation vs reality, and glasses going "no there's no way that's etc." Or slap stick. The other side of comedy is a simple equation. Like why Jackie Chan's never needed good dialogue in his movies to make you laugh. You just see him punch a wall, make a funny face and it's a gag. Everyone knows it's funny. This is all without factoring in taste, as well. OP, google Shimura Ken Comedy, english sub. Watch some of his skits. If he doesn't make you laugh, I think you might just not enjoy Japanese Humor. |
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teruu said: Contaminated said: Asian comedy is less witty than Western comedy. It's usually more slapstick and shocking. Just watch any Japanese comedy live-action tv show Thank you for the polite response. People here think comedy is subjective when there's a much well known census on what is funny and what is not. And it is not hard to create humor in context when you have an opportunity to do so in anime and manga but anime fans here keep denying this You seem to misunderstand. Just because something is witty doesn't make it funny. Wit can be in bad taste just as anything else. Comedy or Humor isn't such a thin label. It can be applied to virtually anything. There's entire shows made out of wit. Take Seitokai Yakuindomo for example. the entire show is 4 koma skits back to back for 24 minutes. Nothing but word play and wit. (all sexualized but still wit.) The wit doesn't translate very well in most cases since it's foreign word play, but it's literally the definition of wit. 3 seasons, and a movie that recently came out. |
| You just havnt seen the right shows thats all, and anime comedy isnt as punch-line ish as typical comedy from the west is. A lot of it is subtle cracks and word play. Konosuba is a good example of this, but it also has long running jokes that multiply on themselves. If you prefer that weirder comedy check out Prison School, nothing the characters say is particularly funny itself but just the situations they find themselves in are hilarious. |
| Okay, give me something that does not lack something and we'll talk. |
| if you base your whole point on the list there then you may lack the capacity to notice comedy anime Top anime with comedy elements is not the top comedy anime list okay moving on. Gintama is funny at times. Other times its badass, other times its heart breaking, other times just straight up silly.... its a mix of alot of goodness. yes alot of wit Top comedy anime for me #1 Nichijou others have no order... ones i can think of right now Gintama D-Frag Arakawa under the bridge Kono Suba Devil is a part timer One Punch man Binbougami Ga! Amagi Brilliant park Working Minami ke Yuru Yuri Azumanga D.... |
teruu said: KiritoBestGurl said: Please do not argue about comedy using the general consensus and treating it like its objective because you really are missing the point when you do that. Consensus is formed on a majority of subjective opinions on a sample crowd representative of only the population they came from. The Western sensibilities when it comes to comedy and other things, e.g. philosophy and ethics, are developed within their own cultural sphere and are separate from other societies which also developed it separately. There is also the micro level which involves the individual themselves and how their prior environment developed their opinions and how their own brains react to the input of information. You cannot also argue about globalization making ideas fairly mixed since it is a much more recent thing and the ideas with the most visibility and establishment in their own sphere still tends to be the consensus in their spheres. You can also see this in the internet where the general ideas floating around mostly comes from the West since they tend to be the more vocal and more visible due to the fact that they speak in English and ideas that come from other cultures such as the East mostly tend to be closed of due to the language and cultural barrier and for some cases, the inability to access ideas due to hindrances of access to the internet or other means. And the other foreign stuff that you incorporate still has to fit in or fight through within your own sphere of thinking. Therefore anime comedy being funny is subjective due to sociology and shit. PS: Also, I like anime comedy ¯_(ツ)_/¯ A lot of jibber jabber but essentially all you did say was that agree to what I said. A common census is based on subjective minds, I agree. Anime can be unwitty? Sure we can argue on that but you didn't bring that up. Sorry that I blabbered there but I did not agree what you said since your using the general consensus of the crowd, the people that appreciates witty comedy more than any other, that you belong to and using it as an objective fact that Anime comedy is unfunny. My argument is that a country's culture or the subcultures that permeate the different subgroups largely affects the shows that is targeted at them. If people from that subgroups generally prefer other forms of comedy other than wit, then the shows targeted to them will almost definitely have lesser wit than shows targeted to people who likes dry wit. Also, I argued that culture and language has a big effect on comedy and the development of humor and the effect of language and culture to the absorption of the jokes by foreigners. So what I say that even if it is witty or not, Anime comedy developed separately from your preference in humor and you cannot condone it for not fitting your tastes. Which is why you cannot argue about the lack of wit and jumping to the conclusion that anime is not funny just because it does not fit your tastes. It's just not targeted to you. EDIT: WOW. I just noticed it now after I replied but it looks like you changed the title making mine and others' previous arguments against you invalid. Good job on making everything pointless. But I still wouldn't delete this since I'm arguing against your previous title which is "Why is anime comedy unfunny?" |
KiritoBestGurlMar 19, 2018 6:16 AM
| Well, comedy is super subjective. My only gripe is the comedy that's shoe horned in, like unnecessary fanservice in a series that's not ecchi and the comedic relief in series with an overall serious mood. The kind found in MahouYome and Drifters, off the top of my head. I really hate when they resort too chibi faces, it's so jarring and immersion breaking. |
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YayaChibi said: Friends is a terrible example also anime writers are shit Idk about anime writers being shit. But comparing a live action western sitcom to a foreign animation is pretty absurd. |
| Most of anime comedy is dumb comedy ( like luffy ) it's a hit or miss kind of comedy, you enjoy it or not. I laughed my ass off to gintama but nichijou was pretty meh overall (some scenes were good) to me for example |
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Energetic-Nova said: Nah, dubbed just makes my favorite comedy series basura. Just straight up trash. The only show that kinda did it right was Ghost stories, but even then it was a trash show that had nothing else to it.EcchiGodMamsterP said: Which is why Comedy is always a genre better dubbed. Thanks dubbed anime, for helping me get the joke. ^.^you do realize that the comedy is intended or a Japanese audience, and not you, right? I even watched Keijo dubbed. But yeah, Japanese comedy is focused on Bugs Bunny levels of slapstick. And British humor is so dry you don't even know when they are joking. |
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LaLeLuLiLo said: Nah. They need the wit of of shitposts.it's a shame most comedy anime don't have the same level of wit like shows such as the big bang theory |
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rsc-pl said: This is what's the poster needs to see. A well structured argument that shows comedy is subjective and can be done differently. Thank You.First of all you need to define your sense of humor. Personally I hate American humor. I find American comedy movies/series pretty pathetic and I avoid it by all costs. In the other hand I don't mind European humor (English, French), but still it it's not something that I would like to watch all time. And finally, Japanese humor hits me hard. I really love their humor. I love their multi layered puns and build ups. Sometimes it's much more subtle and you need to remember a lot of things from previous episodes / chapters to understand many situations. Of course if you don't know their culture and basic of Japanese language, then there is no way for understanding the whole thing. |
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NihilisticLoner said: Sansha Sanyou might be one. #delete30charalimitIt's Japanese humour. Despite being a very cold, down-to-earth, subtle culture, their sense of humour, for whatever reason, is the complete opposite... rsc-pl said: multi layered puns and build ups. Sometimes it's much more subtle and you need to remember a lot of things from previous episodes / chapters to understand many situations. Of course if you don't know their culture and basic of Japanese language, then there is no way for understanding the whole thing. I have never heard of a single comedy anime that has any of those things, and I've watched a decent amount. |
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| Yess I wish all anime were witty and funny like me XDDdd bazinga!~ *laugh track* |
Syrup-Mar 19, 2018 7:39 PM
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| Comedy in general is just so subjective that even if you criticize the lack of wit of anime, it doesn't really matter as long as most people find it funny. |
| Anime are cartoons for kids. That's why they use reference humour or toilet humour and be unfunny, like Gintama. |
| I avoid comedy it's not a genre that I enjoy much unless the anime has comedy as a secondary genre not the main focus and anime comedy is mainly made keeping the Japanese audience at mind and its a different culture it might not be up to your preference. and OP you have so many problems with anime comedy not having wit, anime lacking subtlety and it being lackluster compared to modern TV shows if you truly have so many issues with anime no one is forcing you to watch it you know. |
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Botan-Chan45 said: Energetic-Nova said: Nah, dubbed just makes my favorite comedy series basura. Just straight up trash. The only show that kinda did it right was Ghost stories, but even then it was a trash show that had nothing else to it.Which is why Comedy is always a genre better dubbed. Thanks dubbed anime, for helping me get the joke. ^.^ I even watched Keijo dubbed. But yeah, Japanese comedy is focused on Bugs Bunny levels of slapstick. And British humor is so dry you don't even know when they are joking. Hetalia, Azumanga Daioh, ect. I watched a lot of comedy in english and in Japanese and it is always better in English. Even if I still enjoyed it in Japanese. |
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| Just watch some ecchi heavy anime in dub, like Maken Ki or Prison School. They really do comedy better. |
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| (OMG if I keep accidentally hitting cancel on my posts I'm going to cry) I thought Sakamoto desu ga? was really funny. It's the only comedy anime that I can remember that I really enjoyed for it's comedy. Some of my friends thought it was repetitive, but I laughed until the end. |
Energetic-Nova said: Never seen Hetalia, but have seen clips of Azu manga. Even Azu manga is better in jap dub than eng dub. But hey, that's a theory, no.Botan-Chan45 said: Nah, dubbed just makes my favorite comedy series basura. Just straight up trash. The only show that kinda did it right was Ghost stories, but even then it was a trash show that had nothing else to it. Hetalia, Azumanga Daioh, ect. I watched a lot of comedy in english and in Japanese and it is always better in English. Even if I still enjoyed it in Japanese. |
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Botan-Chan45 said: Energetic-Nova said: Never seen Hetalia, but have seen clips of Azu manga. Even Azu manga is better in jap dub than eng dub. But hey, that's a theory, no.Hetalia, Azumanga Daioh, ect. I watched a lot of comedy in english and in Japanese and it is always better in English. Even if I still enjoyed it in Japanese. That is your opinion. Good thing there are audio options. I rated One Punch Man low because I watched it only in Japanese. I actually cannot hear the audio when I read subtitles. So, until I know Japanese, there is literally no point in watching it in Japanese unless the English dub is that bad. |
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Energetic-Nova said: Que? Hold up, you can hear a audio with subs. Que? What in tarnation? That's like the easiest thing to do. But I'll stop here since it's already A.M.Botan-Chan45 said: Never seen Hetalia, but have seen clips of Azu manga. Even Azu manga is better in jap dub than eng dub. But hey, that's a theory, no. That is your opinion. Good thing there are audio options. I rated One Punch Man low because I watched it only in Japanese. I actually cannot hear the audio when I read subtitles. So, until I know Japanese, there is literally no point in watching it in Japanese unless the English dub is that bad. |
| Yeah right there is no way a doujin about vomit exists. Good song https://soundcloud.com/yeungkakit33/op4-hekireki-last-alliance Tsumino account is BigMaraIppo Another Good Song Listen to テスト by mukami #np on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/mukami/77a Ashita no Joe and Megalo box are disappointing anime. My reviews:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Botan-Chan45/reviews Best Naruto Op: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCNZxOBVWM&list=RDByCNZxOBVWM&index=1 discord name: Chitoge Kirisaki#9564 https://discord.gg/nGKu6zx my discord server for plebs |
Botan-Chan45 said: Energetic-Nova said: Que? Hold up, you can hear a audio with subs. Que? What in tarnation? That's like the easiest thing to do. But I'll stop here since it's already A.M.That is your opinion. Good thing there are audio options. I rated One Punch Man low because I watched it only in Japanese. I actually cannot hear the audio when I read subtitles. So, until I know Japanese, there is literally no point in watching it in Japanese unless the English dub is that bad. I cannot hear it. I have ADHD and autism and really can only focus on a few things at once. I have to focus pretty hard to read at all. I really might as well be reading the manga half the time. Reading is reading, and I kinda shut out the world when I read. Other than Megumi Ogata, I have never really recognized a seiyu.... and the only reason I sometimes recognize her, is the way she screams. |
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Energetic-Nova said: Oh man! I feel like I've stepped on a land mine. That's said to hear. Sorry.Botan-Chan45 said: Que? Hold up, you can hear a audio with subs. Que? What in tarnation? That's like the easiest thing to do. But I'll stop here since it's already A.M. I cannot hear it. I have ADHD and autism and really can only focus on a few things at once. I have to focus pretty hard to read at all. I really might as well be reading the manga half the time. |
| Yeah right there is no way a doujin about vomit exists. Good song https://soundcloud.com/yeungkakit33/op4-hekireki-last-alliance Tsumino account is BigMaraIppo Another Good Song Listen to テスト by mukami #np on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/mukami/77a Ashita no Joe and Megalo box are disappointing anime. My reviews:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Botan-Chan45/reviews Best Naruto Op: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCNZxOBVWM&list=RDByCNZxOBVWM&index=1 discord name: Chitoge Kirisaki#9564 https://discord.gg/nGKu6zx my discord server for plebs |
kI4synVCfn7PMH4w said: lol xd my friend you have to watch Jojo shitposts my dude.Anime are cartoons for kids. That's why they use reference humour or toilet humour and be unfunny, like Gintama. |
| Yeah right there is no way a doujin about vomit exists. Good song https://soundcloud.com/yeungkakit33/op4-hekireki-last-alliance Tsumino account is BigMaraIppo Another Good Song Listen to テスト by mukami #np on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/mukami/77a Ashita no Joe and Megalo box are disappointing anime. My reviews:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Botan-Chan45/reviews Best Naruto Op: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCNZxOBVWM&list=RDByCNZxOBVWM&index=1 discord name: Chitoge Kirisaki#9564 https://discord.gg/nGKu6zx my discord server for plebs |
Botan-Chan45 said: Energetic-Nova said: Oh man! I feel like I've stepped on a land mine. That's said to hear. Sorry.I cannot hear it. I have ADHD and autism and really can only focus on a few things at once. I have to focus pretty hard to read at all. I really might as well be reading the manga half the time. ^.^; You didn't really. I am saying more that people sometimes have a reason they aren't connecting with the material when it is in Japanese. I think when I get silly, I turn the Japanese subtitles on when watching dubs on Netflix. I think I prefer Haruhi of all comedies in Japanese though. |
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| Because anime for some reason try to replicate the straight man/idiot routine of Tsukkomi style of slapstick stand up comedy, which involves loud rambling of punchlines at a rapid fire rate and then redundantly and immediately explaining the jokes. And if it's not that, then they try to parody other anime by simply referencing them. Out of all the "comedy" anime I've watched, I can count the number of anime that use situational comedy on one hand. Shows like Hataraku Maou-sama, Centaur no Nayami, and Welcome to the NHK. I've yet to see an anime equivalent of Arrested Development or Community. |
teruu said: FMmatron said: Some top anime have good comedy mixed in Fullmetal Monogatari Haikyuu 3-gatsu Ippo Gurren Lagann None of those are actually funny though Not even being subjective here, their plot just dictates that their genre is not focused on humor. df ippo and haikyuu are the funniest shit I have seen |
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| Prison School had me dying laughing every single episode. Also in regards to Gintama so many of the jokes are based on references that you wouldn't find it that funny unless you were a seasoned otaku. Other than that there really weren't any funny and witty anime that I think i've seen. |
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| Comedy is the genre that is handled the worst in any medium, not just personal preference [I love comedy] but it's the one that uses "mindless entertainment" the most. Then it just depends if the mindless entertainment is handled well (not being cliche, for example) and personal taste, of course. Being an stupid comedy doesn't make the show bad for fact as it's just an style of comedy. The thing that would make it bad is being repetitive, cliche... Things like that. |
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Takamura-sama said: teruu said: None of those are actually funny though Not even being subjective here, their plot just dictates that their genre is not focused on humor. df ippo and haikyuu are the funniest shit I have seen I laugh endlessly at Evangelion, doesn't mean it is tagged comedy.... and I swear people only watch Yugioh to laugh at it, and it is not tagged comedy... It appears all my favorite comedies aren't tagged comedy. |
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| they can be comedy if you think of some as a laughingstock seriously though, idk. I guess the only thing you can do is to not trust the genres tagged on them |
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SuzuMine-chan said: Comedy is the genre that is handled the worst in any medium, not just personal preference [I love comedy] but it's the one that uses "mindless entertainment" the most. Then it just depends if the mindless entertainment is handled well (not being cliche, for example) and personal taste, of course. Being an stupid comedy doesn't make the show bad for fact as it's just an style of comedy. The thing that would make it bad is being repetitive, cliche... Things like that. Comedy anime tend to rely on repetitive slogans though. They repeat the use of sarcastic comments as those are the easiest to create and they seldom add wits to it. Unironically, comedy anime have far less sarcasm than any modern comedy tv show. My guess would be Japanese culture does not fully appreciate sarcasm. |
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NihilisticLoner said: It's Japanese humour. Despite being a very cold, down-to-earth, subtle culture, their sense of humour, for whatever reason, is the complete opposite... rsc-pl said: multi layered puns and build ups. Sometimes it's much more subtle and you need to remember a lot of things from previous episodes / chapters to understand many situations. Of course if you don't know their culture and basic of Japanese language, then there is no way for understanding the whole thing. I have never heard of a single comedy anime that has any of those things, and I've watched a decent amount. Yeah, I would actually like to know which anime have those qualities, because most comedy anime I've watched, for the most part rely on the tsukkomi style of comedy, which is anything but subtle, let alone multilayered. It's heavy in slapstick humor and literally explains the entire joke immediately, with the punchline itself being that explanation. The only anime I can think of that come close to that description are Azumanga Daioh, Mitsuboshi Colors, the Monogatari series (with its wordplay), and Konsuba. But those are the rare exceptions, not the rule. |
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