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Preachee said:
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The actual rating system according to me is the scale from 1 to 10.
1/10
2/10
3/10
4/10
5/10
6/10
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8/10
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11/10(O o... but my scale leaks sometimes XD)

Lmao wtf, now I'm lost. I think we are saying different things and kinda misunderstanding a little bit here.
That said, I think you should read how my rating system works if you ever cared (tho even if you don't, you should read to get why my score is 4).

But long story short, yea that's mine too I guess... But as you said it though, "actual system" doesn't exist, and these numbers can represent different thoughts, ideas, and affections of each person. I mean, that's what I was trying to say at least.
So will you ever give a 10 to any anime?
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Jul 23, 12:16 AM

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Lightstone said:
Preachee said:

Lmao wtf, now I'm lost. I think we are saying different things and kinda misunderstanding a little bit here.
That said, I think you should read how my rating system works if you ever cared (tho even if you don't, you should read to get why my score is 4).

But long story short, yea that's mine too I guess... But as you said it though, "actual system" doesn't exist, and these numbers can represent different thoughts, ideas, and affections of each person. I mean, that's what I was trying to say at least.
So will you ever give a 10 to any anime?

If you have carefully looked into my list, I in fact had given a 10 already. I gave it to Neon Genesis Evangelion: The End of Evangelion. As I said, my system is also from 1 to 10, why wouldn't I utilize everything that is rendered? But again, that's how my system works. I only give 10 to a very few that really means a lot to me in many ways. In terms of movies (on Letterboxd), I have watched way more than the total amount of anime I had rn, and so I have multiple 10s. I don't care how many 10s I would need to give, as long as I feel it is worthy.

Btw, ur right, if I haven't encountered any anime that I felt the need to grant a 10, then I would probably have no 10. By far, I believe NGE: EoE is the only worthy material.
 
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Preachee said:
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So will you ever give a 10 to any anime?

If you have carefully looked into my list, I in fact had given a 10 already. I gave it to Neon Genesis Evangelion: The End of Evangelion. As I said, my system is also from 1 to 10, why wouldn't I utilize everything that is rendered? But again, that's how my system works. I only give 10 to a very few that really means a lot to me in many ways. In terms of movies (on Letterboxd), I have watched way more than the total amount of anime I had rn, and so I have multiple 10s. I don't care how many 10s I would need to give, as long as I feel it is worthy.
I just checked your 10 of Neon Genesis Evangelion. I don't think it will be great that much (It's not my calculation it's only a guess.) Your are from the 20th century and I will say I have seen many stupid people from the 20th century (I am myself from 20th century XD) who rate very low to new shows just because they have the old taste.
So the final thing I want to say is if you want to prove yourself "right" and prove me wrong (about what I said earlier, "I have seen many stupid people from the 20th century who rate very low to new shows just because they have the old taste")
then try to hate these animes, "Monster" and "Legend of the Galactic heroes". (Unfortunately you will lose the challenge, remember, losing this challenge means you are good not the bad but you have to learn some more)
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Lightstone said:
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If you have carefully looked into my list, I in fact had given a 10 already. I gave it to Neon Genesis Evangelion: The End of Evangelion. As I said, my system is also from 1 to 10, why wouldn't I utilize everything that is rendered? But again, that's how my system works. I only give 10 to a very few that really means a lot to me in many ways. In terms of movies (on Letterboxd), I have watched way more than the total amount of anime I had rn, and so I have multiple 10s. I don't care how many 10s I would need to give, as long as I feel it is worthy.
I just checked your 10 of Neon Genesis Evangelion. I don't think it will be great that much (It's not my calculation it's only a guess.) Your are from the 20th century and I will say I have seen many stupid people from the 20th century (I am myself from 20th century XD) who rate very low to new shows just because they have the old taste.
So the final thing I want to say is if you want to prove yourself "right" and prove me wrong (about what I said earlier, "I have seen many stupid people from the 20th century who rate very low to new shows just because they have the old taste")
then try to hate these animes, "Monster" and "Legend of the Galactic heroes".

Ok where's that humble and fun tone of yours gone, I thought we were just doing so well smfh. All of sudden you just become one of those egotistical mfs, I'm so disappointed *longest sigh*.

I prove myself "right" huh? Could you tell me where please? All I was doing is giving my viewpoints on respecting others differences, and here you are, talking some lame shid out of nowhere my dear. God, I don't even know where to begin lmao. Right, I only "try to prove" you wrong when you said "hey ur wrong coz yo score 4" (or if you really mean it because I just can't understand what you said due to grammatical issues) like seriously dude? What you on rn? Therefore, I want each other of us to respect our differences first before moving on to any further discussion but you can't seem to understand such simple concept can't you?

And about the claim that you who don't even know anything about me say so naively "I have seen many stupid people from the 20th century who rate very low to new shows just because they have the old taste")
then try to hate these animes, "Monster" and "Legend of the Galactic heroes", are you trolling? You have zero grounds for your points and mouthing the hell of based on your whim, I think that's not a very clever move to do tho. If you LOOK again before "jumping too quick into conclusions" my fellow, you will see so many anime I gave so frickin high in the modern age. Again, why are your points so weak? You can't even construct a legitimate proof, and talking like you know everything... 20th century people huh? I honestly have no idea how and what makes you come up with that. But tho I still wanna ask, where did you get this "you hate 21st century anime"? If I hate this medium I would have ranted sometimes about it. Unfortunately, I have never complained about anime industry so sorry I guess. If I do not favor modern anime as what you said so clearly and so confidently, I would have not watched them so much, so please use a bit of logic before claiming too much but leaves so little.

I also want to say, you never, ever, have a proper argument. You can't even explain any of your ideas in any extent. Don't argue with people if you don't even know how to make a proper point.

And one more thing, "stupid" is a very stupid word you know. Calling me stupid digs you down so low into the hole of dickhead attitude and I-have-no-reasonable-or-valid-accounts-to-debate. Don't be too supercilious and think you are superior, *smirk a little bit* how you know ur so smart my boy?

Anw, thank you (should I say) for taking your time.

Edit: haha that's cute how you guess a show isn't that great. What kind of come back to desperately lower my points is that? Your points are leg-less. I'm out.
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Preachee said:
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I just checked your 10 of Neon Genesis Evangelion. I don't think it will be great that much (It's not my calculation it's only a guess.) Your are from the 20th century and I will say I have seen many stupid people from the 20th century (I am myself from 20th century XD) who rate very low to new shows just because they have the old taste.
So the final thing I want to say is if you want to prove yourself "right" and prove me wrong (about what I said earlier, "I have seen many stupid people from the 20th century who rate very low to new shows just because they have the old taste")
then try to hate these animes, "Monster" and "Legend of the Galactic heroes". (Unfortunately you will lose the challenge, remember, losing this challenge means you are good not the bad but you have to learn some more)

Ok where's that humble and fun tone of yours gone, I thought we were just doing so well smfh. All of sudden you just become one of those egotistical mfs, I'm so disappointed *longest sigh*.
You are so quick in replay, you didn't even read my edit. Just read my last part in braces.
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Lightstone said:
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Ok where's that humble and fun tone of yours gone, I thought we were just doing so well smfh. All of sudden you just become one of those egotistical mfs, I'm so disappointed *longest sigh*.
You are so quick in replay, you didn't even read my edit. Just read my last part in braces.

First of all, don't ignore my reply, you didn't answer me with my entire comment. Don't cut short my reply to conveniently answer for yourself.

Secondly, right so to you I lose, I have learnt such great and priceless lesson from the mighty you. Clearly that could only happen if only you ever say anything properly. Just say some vague things and in case I said you have no legs for your points then you would grandiosely say I could not understand is not valid.

Now tell me, my whole long comments from the beginning, how much have you replied? And why is there a win or lose from this conversation? I think we can discuss easier if you remain a bit more consistent and modest, but whatever.
 
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Preachee said:
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You are so quick in replay, you didn't even read my edit. Just read my last part in braces.

First of all, don't ignore my reply, you didn't answer me with my entire comment. Don't cut short my reply to conveniently answer for yourself.

Secondly, right so to you I lose, I have learnt such great and priceless lesson from the mighty you. Clearly that could only happen if only you ever say anything properly. Just say some vague things and in case I said you have no legs for your points then you would grandiosely say I could not understand is not valid.

Now tell me, my whole long comments from the beginning, how much have you replied? And why is there a win or lose from this conversation? I think we can discuss easier if you remain a bit more consistent and modest, but whatever.
You take everything wrong in your head, cutting your replay short doesn't mean that I ignored the rest of your struggle.
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Lightstone said:
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First of all, don't ignore my reply, you didn't answer me with my entire comment. Don't cut short my reply to conveniently answer for yourself.

Secondly, right so to you I lose, I have learnt such great and priceless lesson from the mighty you. Clearly that could only happen if only you ever say anything properly. Just say some vague things and in case I said you have no legs for your points then you would grandiosely say I could not understand is not valid.

Now tell me, my whole long comments from the beginning, how much have you replied? And why is there a win or lose from this conversation? I think we can discuss easier if you remain a bit more consistent and modest, but whatever.
You take everything wrong in your head, cutting your replay short doesn't mean that I ignored the rest of your struggle.

Hahaha lol, now that's some egotistical attitude I want to see. Yes thank you for the salt. Can you please, my mighty user, state for me my wrong thinkings to this utterly stupid me? Because all I see is a person avoids actual debates, and thinks "oh ur wrong coz ur wrong". You seriously need to revise your comments man. How bout we take this a bit more personal, by messaging each other since we are not on the topic of this thread anymore?
 
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Preachee said:
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You take everything wrong in your head, cutting your replay short doesn't mean that I ignored the rest of your struggle.

Hahaha lol, now that's some egotistical attitude I want to see. Yes thank you for the salt. Can you please, my mighty user, state for me my wrong thinkings to this utterly stupid me? Because all I see is a person avoids actual debates, and thinks "oh ur wrong coz ur wrong". You seriously need to revise your comments man. How bout we take this a bit more personal, by messaging each other since we are not on the topic of this thread anymore?
Ok :Dabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
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This thread should be locked or something. The OP was clearly just looking for an argument and now it's become something completely different between two dudes who don't know when to give up lmao.
 
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This thread has turned into a shouting match, but I wanted to share my opinion on KnK and whether or not I think it is overrated before the thread gets locked:

I heard about this movie after watching Your Name, and I what I got was not nearly what I was expecting. I hadn’t read the manga, so I came into this movie blind. Here’s some of my issues with it:
- The animation. This is just a personal preference, but I did not like the animation style. The character art was fine: my problem lies with the cinematography, lighting, and backgrounds. The camera placement was awkward and I never felt like the cinematography added anything to the film. It just was... there. The backgrounds were bland and dull, all shades of brown, white, and gray. But the lighting was the worst part: blindingly white and almost hard to look at. Shading was minimal, and some scenes were way over-lit, to the point that it strained my eyes.
- The pacing. This is usually why I don’t like movies adapted from novels or manga; compressing a full story into a 120-minute runtime is hard and often leads to rushed (or nonexistent) characterization, inconsistent pacing, and incomplete plot. The last hour, in particular, felt rushed and scenes flowed into the next with little buildup or relation.
- The characters. Though I could write paragraphs about this, I’ll keep it simple: not enough characterization happens on Shoko’s part, and this results in a relationship between the main characters that feels incomplete and not very genuine. Throughout the movie, characters make unexpected decisions, with little justification due to removal of important details. Almost all of the supporting characters are one dimensional, and only appear for plot reasons. Also, some of them serve no clear purpose in the story, and only seem to exist as a byproduct of the adaption process.

Also, since everyone here is bashing on Your Name:
- Isn’t it ironic that people here complain about the oversimplification of KnK by the OP and others, and then oversimplify Your Name in their comparison?
- These movies are completely different in their tone, genre, and message, and so comparison will only result in strawmanning and subjective reasoning which will get nowhere.

A film should be able to stand on its own. If it relies on an external medium like a novel or manga to make sense or be good, then it’s not a good film. I really wanted to like this film (and I’m glad other people enjoyed it). But it just wasn’t enjoyable for me.

On a side note: threads about how overrated something is are only going to lead to shouting matches. We get it, some people liked this, some people didn’t. It’s not overrated because some people didn’t enjoy it, though I personally wish movies I enjoyed (like Spirited Away) were rated higher than this.
I like to critically analyze and debate films.
 
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oh yes, reunite those bullies again, what a brilliant idea.
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This thread should be locked or something. The OP was clearly just looking for an argument and now it's become something completely different between two dudes who don't know when to give up lmao.

Yea ur right, sorry for all the fuss, it shouldn't have happened. I was kinda into the heated debate a little too much and forgot about the main topic, so yes my fault.
 
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> The way the plot goes is pretty unbelievable

Partially agree, no comment

> the male mc is annoying and deserves all the guilt placed upon him

I don’t agree that he deserves all the guilt, as the movie didn’t show clearly that Ishida was in fact not the first person to bully Nishimiya, and at first he wanted to jokingly warn Nishimiya that she was being hated by many of the classmates (as Nishimiya caused “troubles” in the class by, for example, ruining the singing competition, forcing the class to learn hand language, causing her nearby classmates unable to follow the class as they were supposed to help Nishimiya when she needed, etc. You can say her classmates are too selfish, but that’s how the society works.) by, for example, writing words on blackboard. But he failed as Nishimiya was, um, too yasashi? You can see Nishimiya always smiling even at harsh times when she was supposed to be angry or feared. That’s why he then exaggeratedly plays on Nishimiya and caused the whole trouble. Furthermore, like Ishida said during the class, the whole class helps the bullying, but only Ishida bear the responsibility, which is not fair at all.

> her falling in love with him is extremely unrealistic and stupid.

It is stupid, but not that unrealistic, as it may be a result of Stockholm syndrome. Like what I previously said, Nishimiya only knew how to smile in most of the show, even when she was being bullied or scolded. This clearly shows that she has a severe mental problem. I’m not an expert in mental health, so I can’t elaborate more.

> Now explain why people like this, please?
> ( and yes I read the manga and watched the movie )

People like it for many reasons, maybe because they share the feelings of certain characters, or they understand the huge struggle for hearing impaired, or they like the direction/art/music of the movie, or they like Nishimiya as she is kawaii and waifuable (I don’t disagree).

Yes, Koe no Katachi has flaws, especially in the plot and second half’s characterization. The problem is even enlarged in the movie as the whole 8 volumes of manga is condensed into a 2 hour movie. But imo this is still a good approach towards school bullying and mental problems. I’ve never see an anime that tries to depict the dark side of children and youths in such an exquisite way. So I really hope that there can be more shows like Koe no Katachi so that this issue can be more discussed and raise people’s attention towards it.
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The way the plot goes is pretty unbelievable, the male mc is annoying and deserves all the guilt placed upon him, her falling in love with him is extremely unrealistic and stupid.
Now explain why people like this, please?
( and yes I read the manga and watched the movie )

No one can explain this to you if you’re being so vague you wanna tell us why you think the MC deserves everything that’s coming to him. You wanna tell us why you think the deaf girl is stupid and weak.
 
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so Redemption is not an option now? guess gotta hold my rope and tight my neck for my literally childish mistakes.

and what's wrong for falling for an elementary classmate who was the first to make up for bullying you in elementary school, and change for you and takecare for you?

geez, guess i gotta go find mr perfect from day 0 who would probably never care.
 
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I wouldn't say it's stupid but nothing special about it overall.
 
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ZJude said:
nothing special about it

What a cliché. I've seen people say this about every anime ever.
 
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Zoldra0 said:
ZJude said:
nothing special about it

What a cliché. I've seen people say this about every anime ever.
Because welcome to the planet Earth when everyone got different tastes and opinions.
 
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I haven't really read any of the extensive replies here because I can't be bothered, but I will share my thoughts.

The anime isn't about voice in a literal sense. It's about a character that changes, a character that copes with their past and faces new challenges in life. It's more about your actions and how they affect people, as well as how they affect you. The whole journey from being a little shithead to a person who tries to fix everything they did in the past is interesting alone, and I find it really fulfilling that some characters changed and let go of their prejudices (even if only a little). And the seeling point for me was the mc opening himself to the world at the end, that is after being used (?) and betrayed by his former half-assed friends.

The reality is that everyone is a dick, the end.
 
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Well I mean just because the majority liked it doesn't mean that everyone else has to like it either. Better to just move, no need to force yourself to like it.
 
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At-least it's hundred times better than Kimi no nawa.


Well in kimi no na wa the main character get the girl and they ended up together while Koe no katachi it didn't... most of the people look at that reason and if you don't believe me go and check to the manga Finale discussion were the people are upset about that and I don't blame them since they are cute together but the people hate when the things go just friendship and it's really bothers me to be honest but still great movie.
 
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You couldn't find a single thing that's good about it? Not even the animation or music?


sound or animation is quallity enchanter when the anime/movies has shitty plot and retarded by its own.

it can all go to the toilet, good plot is 8-9/10
if they also make the music Excelent its 10/10
animation is a bonus.

 
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Watch it again, more feels. A deaf girl who want to make friend with him who sometimes pretend to be a good boy with her.


a deaf girl trying to be a friend with the one who made her school life a nightmare?
yeahhhhhhhh, sureee.


btw i had deaf guy in my school years, and do you know how expensive the hearing devices are?

like no school ever would want to take responsibility for it ever breaking so punishing someone who bully deaf guy/girl is very likely.

not to mention, bullying toward girl, By guys?
is Very very new to me, not to mention She is cute
also -1 to the realistic factor.

sure if she was a half ogre girl, that look like a goblin i would have said yeah maybe.


what next?
again the guy who was making her life missarable and leaved all those scars on her, triyng to be her friend.
?maybe? buy why would she ever accept him, he legit deserves toDIE from her point of view and should never ever be forgiven it doesnt matter that they were in school, he was a pathetic excuse for a human being, that doesnt deserve anything good.
Not from her, not ever.
 
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Lmao okay but your favorite anime is Black Butler. Fuck off
Oscar and Andre deserved better
 
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I'm surprised people are so hung up over her befriending the people who bullied her. It's actually refreshing from my own experience, it clears the air. Being half deaf I can actually relate to her, having people yelling in your ears, having to explain you can hear but you can't hear. Most people have treated people in an ill matter even if they don't believe so. Even if the movie isn't perfect, it's an anime; You can't shove in multiple fleshed characters in a movie length. Though this movie in an approximately 6 episode length, it did a better job portraying these characters as people you can think about in your life; in animes that take 12-24 episodes around a single character.
 
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