| @GlennMagusHarvey Well, on the flipside, why is someone disliking something necessarily less of an opinion than someone liking something? It's still an opinion. It's no more or less valid, and everyone can have one. i didn't say it wasn't.. im saying that people act as though complaining = entitlement.. hence the rise of SJW's, Moralfags Feminazis and PC fags If you mean to tell me that I should stop disliking something just because you like it, just because you're more "entitled"...whatever that means here...then you're as bad as the "Feminazis, SJWs and PCfags" that you flame. no one is telling you to stop disliking anything.. howtf is that even possible? Besides, it's funny that you should blame them when dislikers are all over the fandom itself, with people complaining all the time about this trope and that cliche and flaming each other over tastes and more. there are plenty of SJW's, Moralfags, PC fags and Feminazis on this site At least when I dislike something I'm up-front and honest about it, rather than hiding it behind layers of memes and sarcasm. WHAT? since when was being honest about what you don't like been an issue? last time i check its being honest about what you like that many people have an issue with whether or not people like to believe it.. many people bash fanservice, loli, moe and the like because theyre ashamed they are turned on by it... its just a thing people do when they think they will be judged for something society is on your side when it comes to perversion... its like if you do anything perverted for the sake of doing it, critics and the like will claim you're ruining it.. you're just a loser, or w/e... this is why i fuck so much with Japan.. they don't bow down to this kind of mentality, at least when it comes to much of their media, the world needs people who don't listen to that kind of whining especially the western world needs people like Elvis cause breaking the safe spaces is how you increase freedom of expression now i do believe you 100% when you say you don't like fanservice why? cause you're not a condescending fuck about the fact that you don't.. |
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EcchiGodMamsterP said: 1. How "people act as though complaining = entitlement"? What does this even mean?im saying that people act as though complaining = entitlement.. hence the rise of SJW's, Moralfags Feminazis and PC fags 2. And how does this have to do with "SJW's, Moralfags Feminazis and PC fags"? How are their opinions any different, aside from merely the content of the complaint, from people ragging on Sword Art Online endlessly or Digibro's infamous twelve-part series excoriating The Asterisk War? EcchiGodMamsterP said: This is why I'm asking what how complaining can be seen as "entitlement", and what that means.If you mean to tell me that I should stop disliking something just because you like it, just because you're more "entitled"...whatever that means here...then you're as bad as the "Feminazis, SJWs and PCfags" that you flame. no one is telling you to stop disliking anything.. howtf is that even possible? EcchiGodMamsterP said: Funny how these legendary creatures seem to only rarely ever show up here on AD.there are plenty of SJW's, Moralfags, PC fags and Feminazis on this site EcchiGodMamsterP said: There's an "Unpopular opinion you have?" thread and maybe you'd be surprised to see how many of the opinions stated there are negative? It definitely goes both ways.since when was being honest about what you don't like been an issue? last time i check its being honest about what you like that many people have an issue with Heck, even disliking fanservice is actually pretty unpopular around here. Sure, a good number of people may agree with it, but if you say it here and you're not careful with your wording, you can easily get piled on by people who...well, accuse you of being an "SJW", "moralfag", "feminazi", or "PCfag", for example. (It's almost as if people who'd respond are feeling paranoid that their own "safe space" to enjoy fanservice being violated...) EcchiGodMamsterP said: And the same can be said of people who feel the need to dial back their enjoyment of whatever series (e.g. SAO) just to not be dismissed around the fandom. And that's got nothing to do with sexuality or fanservice (unless you want to argue about the merits of SAO, but the same goes for Naruto fans, Attack on Titan fans, etc.).whether or not people like to believe it.. many people bash fanservice, loli, moe and the like because theyre ashamed they are turned on by it... its just a thing people do when they think they will be judged for something EcchiGodMamsterP said: Ehh...you don't follow things like celebrity tabloids much do you? Or notice the sex scenes in a variety of movies and TV shows, for that matter. Sure, they don't show panty shots or bouncing boobies, but instead they have naked couple in bed. Western entertainment doesn't exactly shy away from sexuality at all. It's just that it's presented differently, that's all.society is on your side when it comes to perversion... its like if you do anything perverted for the sake of doing it, critics and the like will claim you're ruining it.. you're just a loser, or w/e... EcchiGodMamsterP said: You just don't see Japanese-language commentaries on things, so Japan seems miraculously better. From what I understand, Japanese culture is even more conservative about this stuff, just not necessarily in the exact same ways.this is why i fuck so much with Japan.. they don't bow down to this kind of mentality, at least when it comes to much of their media, the world needs people who don't listen to that kind of whining EcchiGodMamsterP said: Well...thanks, I guess?now i do believe you 100% when you say you don't like fanservice why? cause you're not a condescending fuck about the fact that you don't.. I don't blanket-hate fanservice, actually; it's just that I don't have a fetish for the kinds of fanservice typically presented in anime, e.g. bouncy boobs, ass shots, etc.. So, honestly, I just find some of it ugly, and other times it just feels like a useless distraction from the story. |
GlennMagusHarveyMar 8, 2018 9:31 AM
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| @GlennMagusHarvey 1. How "people act as though complaining = entitlement"? What does this even mean? 2. And how does this have to do with "SJW's, Moralfags Feminazis and PC fags"? How are their opinions any different, aside from merely the content of the complaint, from people ragging on Sword Art Online endlessly or Digibro's infamous twelve-part series excoriating The Asterisk War? This is why I'm asking what how complaining can be seen as "entitlement", and what that means. entitlement in this case is believing that something should change because you don't like it theres plenty of people who would get rid of fanservice/moe/loli in a heartbeat if they had the power to do so Funny how these legendary creatures seem to only rarely ever show up here on AD. theyre gonna be alot harder to notice when you're not the type of person they go after There's an "Unpopular opinion you have?" thread and maybe you'd be surprised to see how many of the opinions stated there are negative? It definitely goes both ways. Heck, even disliking fanservice is actually pretty unpopular around here. Sure, a good number of people may agree with it, but if you say it here and you're not careful with your wording, you can easily get piled on by people who...well, accuse you of being an "SJW", "moralfag", "feminazi", or "PCfag", for example. (It's almost as if people who'd respond are feeling paranoid that their own "safe space" to enjoy fanservice being violated...) i don't mean to take credit, but you're probably a bit newer to the forums... but this really seems to have become a thing after i showed up, which is why im so notorious And the same can be said of people who feel the need to dial back their enjoyment of whatever series (e.g. SAO) just to not be dismissed around the fandom. And that's got nothing to do with sexuality or fanservice (unless you want to argue about the merits of SAO, but the same goes for Naruto fans, Attack on Titan fans, etc.). yea i do agree with this, but shows like AoT, and SAO don't have the societal impact that sexual perversion does... no one is trying to censor or ban SAO Ehh...you don't follow things like celebrity tabloids much do you? Or notice the sex scenes in a variety of movies and TV shows, for that matter. Sure, they don't show panty shots or bouncing boobies, but instead they have naked couple in bed. Western entertainment doesn't exactly shy away from sexuality at all. It's just that it's presented differently, that's all. well this seems to go along with much of the wests idea that if its going to be sexual, it might as well be porn or at least more hardcore, which i don't agree with You just don't see Japanese-language commentaries on things, so Japan seems miraculously better. well considering its the country it comes from, i would assume theyre far more accepting of it at least compared to us also, if you translate japanese comments on an anime video, which i have done out of interest... they generally don't even bring up fanservice moments.. i can only think of one instance where someone complained not saying that proves anything, but in general, they probably just see it as normal Well...thanks, I guess? well tbh.. looking at your favorites and seeing a bit of man of culture in there, idk if i still 100% believe you LOL Stratos 4? really? by the same people who made AIKa aka the hottest thing to ever happen to anime xD |
EcchiGodMamsterMar 8, 2018 9:46 AM
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EcchiGodMamsterP said: Can't the same be said of any complaint? It's expressing a desire that the world be different from what it actually is, one way or another.entitlement in this case is believing that something should change because you don't like it EcchiGodMamsterP said: You say this except the only relevant activity in recent memory here on AD is a handful of obvious troll threads.theyre gonna be alot harder to notice when you're not the type of person they go after EcchiGodMamsterP said: I did not mean to single you out specifically, because you're not the only person who'd do this.i don't mean to take credit, but you're probably a bit newer to the forums... but this really seems to have become a thing after i showed up, which is why im so notorious I mean, just think about what would happen if I posted a thread with the following: title: "Why do bouncing boobs have to keep showing up in anime?" post: "Can't anime be less obnoxiously gratuitous about this? They're stupid IMO" EcchiGodMamsterP said: Except sexuality itself is an inevitable constant in any continuing human civilization anyway, and will continue to be so long after humans stop caring about SAO, even if SAO gets banned and thus becomes even more famous.yea i do agree with this, but shows like AoT, and SAO don't have the societal impact that sexual perversion does... no one is trying to censor or ban SAO EcchiGodMamsterP said: Maybe stuff like Baywatch or glamor mags or plunging-neckline dresses or thong bikinis aren't your thing, but clearly they are for a lot of people. Western conceptions of sexuality are quite a bit more complex than you're giving them credit for.Ehh...you don't follow things like celebrity tabloids much do you? Or notice the sex scenes in a variety of movies and TV shows, for that matter. Sure, they don't show panty shots or bouncing boobies, but instead they have naked couple in bed. Western entertainment doesn't exactly shy away from sexuality at all. It's just that it's presented differently, that's all. well this seems to go along with much of the wests idea that if its going to be sexual, it might as well be porn or at least more hardcore, which i don't agree with EcchiGodMamsterP said: Far as I understand it, anime/manga otakudom is basically seen as a kind of seedy underbelly. If there's acceptance, it's less "openly accepting" and more "just not wanting to make a big fuss of it". Though this may be changing as the government is gradually realizing that these creative media are major cultural exports of theirs.well considering its the country it comes from, i would assume theyre far more accepting of it at least compared to us EcchiGodMamsterP said: Well, in the same way I'd just not really give a crap about a panty shot, at most roll my eyes and move on.also, if you translate japanese comments on an anime video, which i have done out of interest... they generally don't even bring up fanservice moments.. i can only think of one instance where someone complained not saying that proves anything, but in general, they probably just see it as normal EcchiGodMamsterP said: Haha, I've never seen AIKa. In fact I thought you meant Eiken for a moment lol.well tbh.. looking at your favorites and seeing a bit of man of culture in there, idk if i still 100% believe you LOL Stratos 4? really? by the same people who made AIKa aka the hottest thing to ever happen to anime xD Stratos 4 has nice story, with (in my opinion) well-humanized, relatable characters, and it's generally nice to get to know them and go on a journey through their story with them. (Just that you have to watch both seasons to get the full story, though even that's less than two cours.) Not to mention a nice score by Masamichi Amano that weaves a leitmotif throughout the OST, and theme songs by Melocure, which I discovered through Stratos 4 and which is my favorite J-pop/anisong artist. Meanwhile, the fanservice that S4 has is mainly limited to occasional camera angles that give panty shots or mild focus on the form-fitting pilot suits. It's rather unobtrusive. A similar thing applies to Kiddy Grade -- the fanservice is mainly unobtrusive. I don't seek this out, nor do I really care much about it. The kind of fanservice I object to is the kind that screams at me "LOOK AT THESE HUGE KNOCKERS, WHOA, THEY'RE SO HUGE, AMIRITE?? HEY LOOK EVERYONE AROUND HER IS JEALOUS OF HER BOOOOOOBIIIIIES", or the like. If you dive into my list you'll find that I dropped DearS, Dragonar Academy, and Valkyrie Drive. More relevant exceptions to this dislike would be Absolute Duo and Heavy Object, where I found other things I like about the show more than I disliked their (respectively) quite and somewhat blatant fanservice. Meanwhile, Cross Ange is sort of its own thing, as many of its sexual fanservice elements are a relevant part of the setting -- complaining about the fanservice being demeaning would be responded to with "well that's part of the point". |
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| @GlennMagusHarvey Can't the same be said of any complaint? It's expressing a desire that the world be different from what it actually is, one way or another. yes, but the majority of complaints towards anime tend to be about the perverted aspects You say this except the only relevant activity in recent memory here on AD is a handful of obvious troll threads. not every single person is trolling.. since i've joined AD back in the beginning of 2016, theres been like 100 ecchi/fanservice threads and many people are clearly trying to ask a question I did not mean to single you out specifically, because you're not the only person who'd do this. I mean, just think about what would happen if I posted a thread with the following: title: "Why do bouncing boobs have to keep showing up in anime?" post: "Can't anime be less obnoxiously gratuitous about this? They're stupid IMO" what? what? Except sexuality itself is an inevitable constant in any continuing human civilization anyway, and will continue to be so long after humans stop caring about SAO, even if SAO gets banned and thus becomes even more famous. which is why it has even less reason to be shunned Maybe stuff like Baywatch or glamor mags or plunging-neckline dresses or thong bikinis aren't your thing, but clearly they are for a lot of people. Western conceptions of sexuality are quite a bit more complex than you're giving them credit for. ofc they are... but imagine if western cartoons had many of the things portrayed in anime.. people would absolutely flip Far as I understand it, anime/manga otakudom is basically seen as a kind of seedy underbelly. If there's acceptance, it's less "openly accepting" and more "just not wanting to make a big fuss of it". Though this may be changing as the government is gradually realizing that these creative media are major cultural exports of theirs. well i guess we can't really know unless were japanese.. either way.. anime/manga is still a part of their pop culture, so clearly its at least somewhat "normal" in their eyes Well, in the same way I'd just not really give a crap about a panty shot, at most roll my eyes and move on. yes, but you can't go on any anime video with fanservice scenes and a large amount of comments and not see a bunch of westerners bitching about it Haha, I've never seen AIKa. In fact I thought you meant Eiken for a moment lol. Stratos 4 has nice story, with (in my opinion) well-humanized, relatable characters, and it's generally nice to get to know them and go on a journey through their story with them. (Just that you have to watch both seasons to get the full story, though even that's less than two cours.) Not to mention a nice score by Masamichi Amano that weaves a leitmotif throughout the OST, and theme songs by Melocure, which I discovered through Stratos 4 and which is my favorite J-pop/anisong artist. Meanwhile, the fanservice that S4 has is mainly limited to occasional camera angles that give panty shots or mild focus on the form-fitting pilot suits. It's rather unobtrusive. A similar thing applies to Kiddy Grade -- the fanservice is mainly unobtrusive. I don't seek this out, nor do I really care much about it. The kind of fanservice I object to is the kind that screams at me "LOOK AT THESE HUGE KNOCKERS, WHOA, THEY'RE SO HUGE, AMIRITE?? HEY LOOK EVERYONE AROUND HER IS JEALOUS OF HER BOOOOOOBIIIIIES", or the like. If you dive into my list you'll find that I dropped DearS, Dragonar Academy, and Valkyrie Drive. More relevant exceptions to this dislike would be Absolute Duo and Heavy Object, where I found other things I like about the show more than I disliked their (respectively) quite and somewhat blatant fanservice. Meanwhile, Cross Ange is sort of its own thing, as many of its sexual fanservice elements are a relevant part of the setting -- complaining about the fanservice being demeaning would be responded to with "well that's part of the point". I've seen all of Stratos 4.. every single ova, so i know its not super fanservicey, i wasn't being entirely serious, however, the artist for it is consider the "panty meister" and is my favorite Director.. so i had to joke well thanks, now i know i need to watch DearS and Heavy Object |
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EcchiGodMamsterP said: This mainly has to do with what people who don't know anime think of as anime. If someone's only exposure to "anime" is a bunch of scantily-clad, large-boobed, large-eyed girls from the Sakura [whatever] series of VNs on Steam, and they feel that such things aren't their cup of tea but they get frustrated at seeing them over and over again, then yeah.yes, but the majority of complaints towards anime tend to be about the perverted aspects This is actually just coincidential, considering that a number of anime fans also complain about ignorant non-fans thinking that anime is for kids because it's cartoons. No one in their right mind would conflate said "perverted aspects" with being kids' stuff (though I guess there are some people who try to, and then flame anime fans for being "manchildren" or such). EcchiGodMamsterP said: Oh, the ones that are legit trying to have a conversation/discussion about the topic aren't the ones who are "going after" people with your tastes (unless you're paranoid of course). We're talking about those whom you'd call by those terms you mentioned (which I'm now too lazy to type out for the nth time lol). Those sorts of posters have only been present in a handful of troll threads.not every single person is trolling.. since i've joined AD back in the beginning of 2016, theres been like 100 ecchi/fanservice threads and many people are clearly trying to ask a question EcchiGodMamsterP said: My point was, if I posted something like that, wouldn't you expect a giant pile-on, with people accusing me of being any number of those terms you mentioned? So, thus...I did not mean to single you out specifically, because you're not the only person who'd do this. I mean, just think about what would happen if I posted a thread with the following: title: "Why do bouncing boobs have to keep showing up in anime?" post: "Can't anime be less obnoxiously gratuitous about this? They're stupid IMO" what? what? EcchiGodMamsterP said: It clearly still is.since when was being honest about what you don't like been an issue? EcchiGodMamsterP said: We've already had South Park, Family Guy, Adult Swim, etc. for years. South Park in particular has been around for about decades now. Back then people took notice to the notion of cartoons for adults, but now we've gotten to the point where the animated production itself is as old as an adult!but imagine if western cartoons had many of the things portrayed in anime.. people would absolutely flip A better comparison would be to ask what if the Teletubbies started including boob jokes in their scripts...and obviously most people would find it rather odd to include. Analogously... EcchiGodMamsterP said: And the anime they mainly watch tends to be kids' shows, which is similarly generally free of such sexual content, other than maybe an odd joke here and there about a creepy leering guy.well i guess we can't really know unless were japanese.. either way.. anime/manga is still a part of their pop culture, so clearly its at least somewhat "normal" in their eyes EcchiGodMamsterP said: yes, but you can't go on any anime video with fanservice scenes and a large amount of comments and not see a bunch of westerners bitching about it > presuming youtube comments to be anything besides shitposting (Not to mention you get a bunch of anybody and everybody bitching about anything and everything in comments sections.) EcchiGodMamsterP said: Ah, cool. Hope you enjoy them. I've actually considered returning to Dragonar Academy just to try to get more out of it despite my objections to the fanservice, because I'm curious about how the story goes, or maybe I just think dragons are cool.I've seen all of Stratos 4.. every single ova, so i know its not super fanservicey, i wasn't being entirely serious, however, the artist for it is consider the "panty meister" and is my favorite Director.. so i had to joke well thanks, now i know i need to watch DearS and Heavy Object But yeah, Heavy Object is quite fun. I love the "MacGuyvering" aspect of it, as well as the general attitude of laughing in the face of death because there's nothing else you can do but laugh. |
GlennMagusHarveyMar 8, 2018 1:16 PM
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| @GlennMagusHarvey This mainly has to do with what people who don't know anime think of as anime. If someone's only exposure to "anime" is a bunch of scantily-clad, large-boobed, large-eyed girls from the Sakura [whatever] series of VNs on Steam, and they feel that such things aren't their cup of tea but they get frustrated at seeing them over and over again, then yeah. This is actually just coincidential, considering that a number of anime fans also complain about ignorant non-fans thinking that anime is for kids because it's cartoons. No one in their right mind would conflate said "perverted aspects" with being kids' stuff (though I guess there are some people who try to, and then flame anime fans for being "manchildren" or such). well yea, the majority of people who "bitch" about fanservice tend to be people who haven't seen very many anime... so thats obviously a sign of something yea.. i don't understand that... anime is definitely not for kids... Oh, the ones that are legit trying to have a conversation/discussion about the topic aren't the ones who are "going after" people with your tastes (unless you're paranoid of course). We're talking about those whom you'd call by those terms you mentioned (which I'm now too lazy to type out for the nth time lol). Those sorts of posters have only been present in a handful of troll threads. ye sure, theyre less likely to be, but theyre just as numerous, and many times their questions and responses are just as dumb/ignorant as the ones who are trying to be offensive, making them almost as frustrating again, you're a great example of an "anti-fanservice" person i actually enjoy talking to My point was, if I posted something like that, wouldn't you expect a giant pile-on, with people accusing me of being any number of those terms you mentioned? So, thus... what im saying is that im pretty sure before i became active that wouldn't have happened... most people weren't hyper aggressive towards ecchi/fanservice criticism until they noticed the way i was responding, which was to flame every thread and blow up peoples profiles... the latter which i don't do anymore 2 years ago, i was getting tagged to every ecchi/fanservice thread... now not so much anymore because im no longer known as the only one with a reputation for attacking them It clearly still is. again.. society is still generally on your side that perversion for the sake of it is unnecessary/bad We've already had South Park, Family Guy, Adult Swim, etc. for years. South Park in particular has been around for about decades now. Back then people took notice to the notion of cartoons for adults, but now we've gotten to the point where the animated production itself is as old as an adult! A better comparison would be to ask what if the Teletubbies started including boob jokes in their scripts...and obviously most people would find it rather odd to include. Analogously... yes, those first examples like South Park don't work because many of those shows are SUPPOSED to give people a controversial reaction fanservice isn't there with the intention of irritating anyone, its there to please both the creators and the viewers And the anime they mainly watch tends to be kids' shows, which is similarly generally free of such sexual content, other than maybe an odd joke here and there about a creepy leering guy. bruh.. anime comes from Japan.. tons of people read manga.. and tons of people draw or make sexual anime style stuff... they have entire towns dedicated to otaku culture with maid cafes, the largest conventions itw, with cosplay and the like etc.. so clearly this is normal for them > presuming youtube comments to be anything besides shitposting (Not to mention you get a bunch of anybody and everybody bitching about anything and everything in comments sections.) yes... but when it comes to anime the thing people complain about the most is the fanservice Ah, cool. Hope you enjoy them. I've actually considered returning to Dragonar Academy just to try to get more out of it despite my objections to the fanservice, because I'm curious about how the story goes, or maybe I just think dragons are cool. But yeah, Heavy Object is quite fun. I love the "MacGuyvering" aspect of it. don't worry man.. i'll have you converted in no time |
EcchiGodMamsterMar 8, 2018 1:41 PM
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EcchiGodMamsterP said: To be fair: Pokémon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Digimon, Precure, Crayon Shin-Chan, etc. etc. etc.. There are a lot of anime series for kids even in Japan.yea.. i don't understand that... anime is definitely not for kids... It's just that many such series don't get much attention from the largely teenaged and adult western anime audience. EcchiGodMamsterP said: But at the very least, they aren't "going after" you or your taste.ye sure, theyre less likely to be, but theyre just as numerous, and many times their questions and responses are just as dumb/ignorant as the ones who are trying to be offensive, making them almost as frustrating EcchiGodMamsterP said: Uh...thanks, I guess. I do try to make my posts relevant and accurate, though a downside is that I end up spending too much time on MAL haha.again, you're a great example of an "anti-fanservice" person i actually enjoy talking to EcchiGodMamsterP said: It's not because "society is on my side" (not to mention that the "sides" aren't even clear in real life), but rather it's because there are a lot of opinions, both positive and negative, that aren't considered consensus (or are considered the opposite of consensus) here, but everyone has an opinion on them, and thus are basically flamebait.again.. society is still generally on your side that perversion for the sake of it is unnecessary/bad EcchiGodMamsterP said: Fair enough of a distinction, I suppose.yes, those first examples like South Park don't work because many of those shows are SUPPOSED to give people a controversial reaction fanservice isn't there with the intention of irritating anyone, its there to please both the creators and the viewers EcchiGodMamsterP said: Doesn't mean all of Japan does this stuff. Just like how not all of the United States is into NASCAR.bruh.. anime comes from Japan.. tons of people read manga.. and tons of people draw or make sexual anime style stuff... they have entire towns dedicated to otaku culture with maid cafes, the largest conventions itw, with cosplay and the like etc.. so clearly this is normal for them EcchiGodMamsterP said: and you also get people indulging in the fanservice in the same comments section.yes... but when it comes to anime the thing people complain about the most is the fanservice EcchiGodMamsterP said: You've said this before, by my recollection, and I'd just advise you to not bother waiting. :Pdon't worry man.. i'll have you converted in no time In case you meant any seriousness in that comment: fundamentally, if you want me to like the fanservice, then make fanservice that serves me. I have pretty firmly set tastes, and simply sitting through standard-fare ecchi shows isn't going to change that, because things like kinks aren't really even cognitively changeable. And last time you and I talked about this I think we came to the conclusion that a show that'd be "fanservice" to me might not even be considered ecchi by others. |
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| @GlennMagusHarvey To be fair: Pokémon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Digimon, Precure, Crayon Shin-Chan, etc. etc. etc.. There are a lot of anime series for kids even in Japan. It's just that many such series don't get much attention from the largely teenaged and adult western anime audience. yea but i mean the people who claim anime with boobs/pantsu, etc are meant for kids/teenagers, when the majority fans of those shows are people in their 20s and 30s But at the very least, they aren't "going after" you or your taste. well many of them still want it gone or reduced, and they still question why i like it as if their lack of a fetish is supposed to mean people who have that fetish are weird or something Uh...thanks, I guess. I do try to make my posts relevant and accurate, though a downside is that I end up spending too much time on MAL haha. ... i know the feeling... It's not because "society is on my side" (not to mention that the "sides" aren't even clear in real life), but rather it's because there are a lot of opinions, both positive and negative, that aren't considered consensus (or are considered the opposite of consensus) here, but everyone has an opinion on them, and thus are basically flamebait. well lets just say, you wouldn't risk scaring people away or w/e from telling people you don't watch anime with boobs in it Fair enough of a distinction, I suppose. yes, imagine if for example, loli was a thing here.. people would flip their shit Doesn't mean all of Japan does this stuff. Just like how not all of the United States is into NASCAR. ofc not, but NASCAR isn't controversial and you also get people indulging in the fanservice in the same comments section. yes, ofc, but when it comes to the "reputation" of anime itself.. what are people most likely to point towards? why have there been more ecchi/fanservice/sexualization of women threads than many other topics combined? You've said this before, by my recollection, and I'd just advise you to not bother waiting. :P In case you meant any seriousness in that comment: fundamentally, if you want me to like the fanservice, then make fanservice that serves me. I have pretty firmly set tastes, and simply sitting through standard-fare ecchi shows isn't going to change that, because things like kinks aren't really even cognitively changeable. And last time you and I talked about this I think we came to the conclusion that a show that'd be "fanservice" to me might not even be considered ecchi by others. yea i remember... you're even more softcore than me.. but believe it or not, w/e you find arousing, theres a good chance that i do too.. at least more so than hentai/doujin lol a picture doesn't always have to be blatantly sexual for me to find it fappable |
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J_LEE_C said: That could have been me wriiting that but the only difference is that i started watching when i was 17 Aquamirror said: There are normie anime watchers that still think Naruto is the best anime ever made and shounen is the shit. That actually describes me pretty well as you can probably tell by my profile. Idk if I'm a normie or whatever, but idc about labels. But Naruto is one of my fav ever anime, and Shounen IS the shit. PS - I didn't start watching anime until I was 25, so it's not like the stereotypical 'you only like it because you watched it when you were 10 and didn't know any better' etc. |
--ALEX-- said: I consider myself pretty "normie" in regards to my regular life. But I'll still watch an anime or two. Does this disqualify me? Also...isn't anime quite mainstream now? Like it's fucking everywhere now! Why is being a "normie" even a bad thing? Are we really discussing this? Really? Okay, fine. The reason I find most people use Normie as a derogatory phrase is because "Normies" have the most pathetically generic taste in media. Such as getting bored if a movie doesn't immediately have action or explosions, the inability to appreciate good plot development, always demanding a clear-cut happy ending without any sadness or they consider it a bad ending by default, being easily swayed by things like sexual themes into forgetting any actual quality. I could go on about this for ages but I won't. Then there is the fact most "Normies" just watch the news and swallow whatever garage they're told without any form of critical thought whatsoever, regardless of how blatantly untrue or biased what they are presented with is. And from an internet culture standpoint they ruin memes by overtly spamming them at every given chance, using them months or even years after they've died off, more often than not using them entirely wrong and using them IRL in cringey as hell ways. While harshly critical of media they can't appreciate I also find they tend to be what I call "Positivity Zombies" when it comes to something they like. If you point out flaws and provide helpful constructive criticism for it to improve upon they will often become hyper passive aggressive and dismiss you as a "hater" or they will call you "entitled" even though that has nothing to do with providing friendly constructive criticism. It's also ironic because they actually are the most entitled people in the world, constantly feeling they need to be listened to, heard and their opinions taken over everyone else's. They totally lack the ability to self-reflect or improve upon themselves and often actively prevent others from doing so. I'm not the kinda guy who is gonna go REEEEE NORMIES but that's the best description I can offer. |
Sasori_NagashiMar 8, 2018 2:45 PM
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Sasori_NagashiMar 8, 2018 2:47 PM
EcchiGodMamsterP said: That's analogous to people saying they want to see less isekai series, less tsunderes, etc..well many of them still want it gone or reduced, and they still question why i like it as if their lack of a fetish is supposed to mean people who have that fetish are weird or something EcchiGodMamsterP said: Anime isn't controversial either, aside from being somewhat associated with a group of people that might be controversial. NASCAR has a reputation for having Bible-thumping redneck conservatives as fans. ofc not, but NASCAR isn't controversial EcchiGodMamsterP said: "Big eyes, small mouth."yes, ofc, but when it comes to the "reputation" of anime itself.. what are people most likely to point towards? Going beyond that, I'd say there's about as much association with sexual fanservice as there is with, say, shounen action stuff like DBZ and Naruto. And to a lesser extent, giant robots, mainly because giant robot anime series haven't been in style for a while. EcchiGodMamsterP said: Really? There was a recent spate of threads about dubs, and there's always been a thread or another about elitism/tastes/ratings/etc., and there's the perennial threads about what people are currently watching/first watched/re-watched/watching how fast/dropped/etc., and so on. You're probably remembering the threads that interest you more, because they're easier to come to mind.why have there been more ecchi/fanservice/sexualization of women threads than many other topics combined? EcchiGodMamsterP said: yea i remember... you're even more softcore than me.. but believe it or not, w/e you find arousing, theres a good chance that i do too.. at least more so than hentai/doujin lol a picture doesn't always have to be blatantly sexual for me to find it fappable Okay, let's try it. 1. Go watch the Elsword ONA. 2. Appreciate Elesis, in all her awesome, confident, bold glory. |
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Sasori_Nagashi said: I get the feeling that such a description of "normies" actually lumps together large swaths of people who are actually rather distinct from each other. Moreover:Okay, fine. The reason I find most people use Normie as a derogatory phrase is because "Normies" have the most pathetically generic taste in media. Such as getting bored if a movie doesn't immediately have action or explosions, the inability to appreciate good plot development, always demanding a clear-cut happy ending without any sadness or they consider it a bad ending by default, being easily swayed by things like sexual themes into forgetting any actual quality. I could go on about this for ages but I won't. Then there is the fact most "Normies" just watch the news and swallow whatever garage they're told without any form of critical thought whatsoever, regardless of how blatantly untrue or biased what they are presented with is. And from an internet culture standpoint they ruin memes by overtly spamming them at every given chance, using them months or even years after they've died off, more often than not using them entirely wrong and using them IRL in cringey as hell ways. While harshly critical of media they can't appreciate I also find they tend to be what I call "Positivity Zombies" when it comes to something they like. If you point out flaws and provide helpful constructive criticism for it to improve upon they will often become hyper passive aggressive and dismiss you as a "hater" or they will call you "entitled" even though that has nothing to do with providing friendly constructive criticism. It's also ironic because they actually are the most entitled people in the world, constantly feeling they need to be listened to, heard and their opinions taken over everyone else's. They totally lack the ability to self-reflect or improve upon themselves and often actively prevent others from doing so. I'm not the kinda guy who is gonna go REEEEE NORMIES but that's the best description I can offer. Sasori_Nagashi said: It's funny you should say that normies are "ecchif*gs", because I've spent the last several hours in a back-and-forth right here in this thread with @EcchiGodMamsterP who feels that these (supposedly same?) "normies" are improperly imposing anti-ecchi tastes on anime.The way I see it, a lot of hardcore anime fans are pretty "normie" in their tastes. I.E. moe and ecchif*gs who literally just watch for sexual reasons or those shounen fans who call any series that doesn't have constant fighting garbage and don't even consider the plot of what they're watching. INB4 mad fans. I didn't say you are a normie for liking those anime period, just you are if you like they for one sole, basic purpose and don't appreciate other facets of it and other anime. This just goes to show that the term "normie" is being used more as a catch-all term to criticize/dismiss/stereotype people who aren't into a certain thing, rather than some sort of consistent definition. In short, it's just another word for "other". |
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| Just to normie-post for a moment, I will say that the prevalence of fanservice and perversion in big hitters makes it annoyingly hard to share anime with casual watchers. The Seven Deadly Sins, for example, would be great for normies if it didn't involve some blonde midget groping girls or them getting naked every few episodes. I just wish the more mainstream shows would pull back on that and save it for the niche side of anime (which I very much still love). |
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| @GlennMagusHarvey That's analogous to people saying they want to see less isekai series, less tsunderes, etc.. i would agree.. if those things were brought up in even remotely the same frequency Anime isn't controversial either, aside from being somewhat associated with a group of people that might be controversial. NASCAR has a reputation for having Bible-thumping redneck conservatives as fans. no one is going to see you as "creepy" for watching NASCAR yes, rednecks are associated with religious extremism, but mer'ca is still mostly christian even if that factor is dying you like boobs, ass, panties, loli, and moe in anime, you're automatically given 20 negative labels by many... let alone the people who find anime childish "Big eyes, small mouth." Going beyond that, I'd say there's about as much association with sexual fanservice as there is with, say, shounen action stuff like DBZ and Naruto. And to a lesser extent, giant robots, mainly because giant robot anime series haven't been in style for a while. i meant the negative reputation... aka, the things that people think others will judge them for when it comes to being an anime fan most of the things you named are the mainstream or "cool" things to like about anime again, its not "creepy" to people to like giant robots or action scenes Really? There was a recent spate of threads about dubs, and there's always been a thread or another about elitism/tastes/ratings/etc., and there's the perennial threads about what people are currently watching/first watched/re-watched/watching how fast/dropped/etc., and so on. You're probably remembering the threads that interest you more, because they're easier to come to mind. you probably haven't been on AD as much as i have.. theres been way more threads about the sexualization of female characters, whether it be ecchi/fanservice or loli than other topics combined when i first joined AD.. we were getting like 4 a week, sometimes 3 a day.. for like 5 months... then they kinda died.. then came back... i wish that was an exaggeration.. and just look at now... not very much has changed.. once the thread was made asking "why do some people not like ecchi/fanservice in their anime?" the topic EXPLODED once again as did that thread which read 20+ pages so many others could vouch.... theres probably been 50-100 threads having to do with the sexualization of women in anime since i joined, and just to add.. i was told they were frequent even before i was posting Okay, let's try it. 1. Go watch the Elsword ONA. 2. Appreciate Elesis, in all her awesome, confident, bold glory. we are talking about fap material here right? and not just things we think are hot LOL |
EcchiGodMamsterMar 8, 2018 4:15 PM
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EcchiGodMamsterP said: no, but people might say other things to you, such as telling you to watch a "real" sport, or wondering if you're a bible-thumping redneck with a jingoistic view of the USA.no one is going to see you as "creepy" for watching NASCAR EcchiGodMamsterP said: The more common insults I hear about anime fans are that they're shut-ins with no social lives fapping to 2D cartoon girls in their mothers' basements, and are slobbish and overweight and probably ugly.i meant the negative reputation... aka, the things that people think others will judge them for when it comes to being an anime fan most of the things you named are the mainstream or "cool" things to like about anime again, its not "creepy" to people to like giant robots or action scenes EcchiGodMamsterP said: you probably haven't been on AD as much as i have.. theres been way more threads about the sexualization of female characters, whether it be ecchi/fanservice or loli than other topics combined when i first joined AD.. we were getting like 4 a week, sometimes 3 a day.. for like 5 months... then they kinda died.. then came back... i wish that was an exaggeration.. and just look at now... not very much has changed.. once the thread was made asking "why do some people not like ecchi/fanservice in their anime?" the topic EXPLODED once again as did that thread which read 20+ pages so many others could vouch.... theres probably been 50-100 threads having to do with the sexualization of women in anime since i joined, and just to add.. i was told they were frequent even before i was posting On the flipside, I'd point out that I've been on MAL for longer, and I've also been active on the MAL forums these past couple years, as well as various points in time before this, and the topic of sexualization of female characters (and related topics) is one of the more common topic categories, but just one among several, not "way more threads...than other topics combined". For your statement to be true it'd have to be literally more than half the threads...and it isn't anywhere near that, as a scan of the threads list can confirm. Pick basically any number that's a multiple of 50 and insert it into https://myanimelist.net/forum/?board=1&show=X where X is where you put the number. For example, for X=1500: That's 7 threads that have to do with sexuality, out of 50 threads total, on page 31. Maybe you're seeing it come up more often because you beeline to those threads and they tend to invite huge arguments which you participate in and then you keep on replying to them, so they make up a big part of your impression of what's on these forums. But you're missing a larger picture. |
GlennMagusHarveyMar 8, 2018 6:11 PM
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| @GlennMagusHarvey no, but people might say other things to you, such as telling you to watch a "real" sport, or wondering if you're a bible-thumping redneck with a jingoistic view of the USA. The more common insults I hear about anime fans are that they're shut-ins with no social lives fapping to 2D cartoon girls in their mothers' basements, and are slobbish and overweight and probably ugly. yes, but are those things worse in the eyes of society? is "watch a real sport" or being a hardcore christian in a mostly christian country worse than LOSER, VIRGIN, BETA, SEXIST, CREEP, PEDOPHILE, MOLESTER, EXPLOITATIVE, HORNY TEENAGER, or BASEMENT DWELLER? cause those are the things especially ecchi fans get labeled On the flipside, I'd point out that I've been on MAL for longer, and I've also been active on the MAL forums these past couple years, as well as various points in time before this, and the topic of sexualization of female characters (and related topics) is one of the more common topic categories, but just one among several, not "way more threads...than other topics combined". For your statement to be true it'd have to be literally more than half the threads...and it isn't anywhere near that, as a scan of the threads list can confirm. Pick basically any number that's a multiple of 50 and insert it into https://myanimelist.net/forum/?board=1&show=X where X is where you put the number. For example, for X=1500: That's 7 threads that have to do with sexuality, out of 50 threads total, on page 31. Maybe you're seeing it come up more often because you beeline to those threads and they tend to invite huge arguments which you participate in and then you keep on replying to them, so they make up a big part of your impression of what's on these forums. But you're missing a larger picture. i 100% guarantee you if you make a thread asking which topic people are tired of seeing over and over again, its gonna be threads related to the way women are portrayed in anime im telling you my dude.. there is NO OTHER TOPIC that comes up 4 times a day the way ecchi/fanservice threads have |
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FMmatron said: This is the most accurate definition of normie.If you're watching anime,cause your friends do so or you think that makes you cool,then,you're still a normie. Watching the anime which u dont like in general just to show off to others makes u a normie. |
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J_LEE_C said: Same here man.....Aquamirror said: There are normie anime watchers that still think Naruto is the best anime ever made and shounen is the shit. That actually describes me pretty well as you can probably tell by my profile. Idk if I'm a normie or whatever, but idc about labels. But Naruto is one of my fav ever anime, and Shounen IS the shit. PS - I didn't start watching anime until I was 25, so it's not like the stereotypical 'you only like it because you watched it when you were 10 and didn't know any better' etc. I started watching anime 2 years ago and Naruto was my second anime after dragon ball z and even so i loved it. |
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| Man I don't even know if there's a legit definition or anything so who knows. I only watch anime and don't read manga or any other Japanese media, but I do love anime a lot. |
Revvie-chan said: EcchiGodMamsterP said: probably not lol... i don't see that stopping people from making or watching anime well, the point of my post was that anime as we know it will move there one day lol. The term "anime" may survive, but its essence will be totally different. how can we know lol? Knightmare_YK said: EcchiGodMamsterP said: probably not lol... i don't see that stopping people from making or watching anime Yeah, me neither. It will probably replace visual novels though. who knows? i guess it depends on how good VR actually ends up being Himawari9 said: EcchiGodMamsterP said: bruh.. anime comes from Japan.. tons of people read manga.. and tons of people draw or make sexual anime style stuff... they have entire towns dedicated to otaku culture with maid cafes, the largest conventions itw, with cosplay and the like etc.. so clearly this is normal for them Actually, the numbers of people in Japan that are into manga and anime is not that great similar to people that is into comics in the US. You call it a Akihabara a town but in reality it just like downtown Disney. It is not that big. Japanese usually shuns and looks down on otaku and the word itself has a negative meaning, similar to nerd or geek in the US. You will find that the manga and anime that won any award usually are works that have no sexual content. You can see that the most watched anime are usually kid shows. https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/6dc0n0/the_most_watched_anime_in_japan_of_all_time/ The fans of those ecchi shows are a minority and I doubt they would want other people to find out they are otaku. If you are an adult, and you are into anime and manga to the point being an otaku, how can you be able to create and raise a family in a country with high cost of living like Japan? lol yea, i've heard everything you mentioned... |
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TrillyRilly said: Any switch gurls out there with me? I wear a blazer and heels to work, schmooze with wealthy donors (I'm in fundraising), and work my butt off...but as soon as I walk through the door I'm in sweats and my perfectly fitting Himouto Umaru-chan cape, under the kotatsu (best present ever) with whatever junk food we have lying around and the tv's streaming. I love balancing total slothdom with a pretty stable career and awkward but resonable social skills! Who's with me? What is Umaru Doma doing on this website O.O |
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| Well,No,does matter if your normie and watch anime? There are celebrities who watch anime(Samuel L. Jackson who apparently watch hentai) This question seems like if you play videogames then you can't be a NEET or vice versa.It doesn't matter at its finest. |
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