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Mar 5, 2018 12:03 PM

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boy this episode was pretty intense all the way through. can't believe ruth was going along with elias, but i hope elias will reflect on why chise acted the way she did and went along with joseph.


 
Mar 5, 2018 3:00 PM

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Such drama. Much wow.
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Mar 5, 2018 5:21 PM

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Seriously, this is the best episode thus far. It's pretty sickening that Elias would sacrifice a child for Chise's life, also going so far as to do it to someone she loves just because he's jealous. As gross as that is, wow, its so in his character. He's a beast that's existed for thousands of years and who has never felt an emotional connection with a human before (Is that really true? I'm questioning). He doesn't register the same kind of emotions as Chise, and it makes sense that he understands her fondness of the girl, but her fondness isn't as important as his own attachment to her. Pretty beast-like to me.
And honestly, the writing was really good! If Car/Joseph wasn't possessing the girl, Elias would be killing her, ruining his and Chise's relationship, and essentially ruining whatever connection the viewers have with him as well. But it was written enough that there is a narrow chance that we, including Chise, can forgive him lol how insane.
 
Mar 5, 2018 6:25 PM

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Nevin dropping that real advice. MVP of series for sure.

I get Elias letting his gross emotions getting the best of him, its a novelty to him after all, but seriously Ruth? I thought Ruth would have Chise's best interests in his heart, but guess he was just as selfish as Elias. I'm glad Chise is stepping it up and doing shit on her own, even abandoning her link to Elias in the form of her necklace. Although there was no way this wouldn't happen; helping Stella is something she herself is compelled to do, being the selfless character she is. With all this, I'm actually excited to see what Joseph has in mind, because all this started from his ploy to steal a dragon in the first place.
 
Mar 5, 2018 8:29 PM

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Not the best episode. I feel like it was rushed and unnatural
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Mar 5, 2018 9:03 PM

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OMG! great episode!
everything is going down!
1st the witches from the unknown coven wasn't able to help chise
then 2nd Elias decided to Sacrifice Stella in place for Chise
and then suddenly 3rd is it a coincidence that Cartaphilus meddled in the right timing! cuz he wants this kind of despair happening on others for his own pleasure!
5/5.
 
Mar 6, 2018 12:58 AM

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Why does it feel like they took a large character development and rushed it to fit into 1 episode... There was a lot of important stuff that flew by like "yeah this happened". I really think they missed their shot to appeal Elias' side of the problem to the audience before laying down that dramatic ending. Can't really side with either of them when it just looks like a massively dysfunctional situation in the first place.
 
Mar 6, 2018 4:49 AM

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Elias was really willing to kill Stella to save Chise...but like always, Joseph is always ahead...I guess he will help Chise, coz he wants to die and she wants to live...
 
Mar 6, 2018 8:49 AM

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so how many chapters were adapted? are we getting an anime original ending?
 
Mar 6, 2018 11:56 AM

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This was seriously a strong episode. Loved the melancholic mood of it and the development is also really interesting.
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Mar 6, 2018 3:24 PM

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Man, that was a heavy episode, Elias did a bad decision based on his feeling and as well for Chise.
I really like Nevin, he describe the path for Chise but not pointing it.
Overall, great episode, next week will be more intense.
 
Mar 7, 2018 8:46 AM
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Unfortunately I'm starting to hate the anime, after watching this episode and by knowing it's only 24 episodes. I realize that the whole story won't turn out well. We didn't witness that much of magic, and in all episodes chose was using none magic. Except when she turned to Phoenix, nothing else particularly worth mentioning, my guess is that she won't live till the last episode. And the witch coven was unnecessary addition to the episode, waste of minutes if you ask me. The only exciting fact was cartaphilus, Ruth a disappointment and another thing I liked was that we finally saw Ariel building a trust with Chise. I mean if this is a magic anime why we see a dog familiar instead of a fairy? Just horrible, I'm losing hopes here, what are the creators thinking about this sloppy work I wonder. It started well maybe not great but well, I had the feeling I was gonna get to see a truly magical anime and let my self travel. But NO they have to do sloppy works after the second episode, Idk if this should get over 6/10 ratings, I hope they will warp the whole anime splendid in the last remaining 3 episodes, which is unlikely.

P.S: Where is the magic the complicated spells, the chanting, the materials, the different creatures(We've seen dragons before! And you can't even call those dragons!) fairies it should have more fairies!

A so-so anime in the end, they should just make it a movie instead not series. It's like a anime movie separated in chunks.

Just an ok anime in the end nothing more nothing less.
 
Mar 7, 2018 2:53 PM

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Things are shaping up to a probable ending where Cartaphilus trades his life for Chise's, since he considers his immortality a curse.

Knowing she wouldn't agree on taking his life, he took Stella as a hostage.
 
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Unfortunately I'm starting to hate the anime, after watching this episode and by knowing it's only 24 episodes. I realize that the whole story won't turn out well. We didn't witness that much of magic, and in all episodes chose was using none magic. Except when she turned to Phoenix, nothing else particularly worth mentioning, my guess is that she won't live till the last episode. And the witch coven was unnecessary addition to the episode, waste of minutes if you ask me. The only exciting fact was cartaphilus, Ruth a disappointment and another thing I liked was that we finally saw Ariel building a trust with Chise. I mean if this is a magic anime why we see a dog familiar instead of a fairy? Just horrible, I'm losing hopes here, what are the creators thinking about this sloppy work I wonder. It started well maybe not great but well, I had the feeling I was gonna get to see a truly magical anime and let my self travel. But NO they have to do sloppy works after the second episode, Idk if this should get over 6/10 ratings, I hope they will warp the whole anime splendid in the last remaining 3 episodes, which is unlikely.

P.S: Where is the magic the complicated spells, the chanting, the materials, the different creatures(We've seen dragons before! And you can't even call those dragons!) fairies it should have more fairies!

A so-so anime in the end, they should just make it a movie instead not series. It's like a anime movie separated in chunks.

Just an ok anime in the end nothing more nothing less.
Actually they explain why she has a dog familiar, why she(specifically ) can't use too much magic, why the dragons stay in a location for the time being, and etc. Either you skimmed through or skipped some parts. Also highly unlikely they will kill Chise.
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Mar 7, 2018 7:07 PM

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One of the best episodes in a while! Next episode looks crazy!
 
Mar 7, 2018 9:29 PM

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Eh, not a lot happened again. Got to see the more sinister side of Elias again, surprised Ruth was on board too.

The last few episodes really need to save this anime for me. I can appreciate why people like it but for me there's just no direction whatsoever.


"not a lot happened" did we watch the same episode?
 
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Actually they explain why she has a dog familiar, why she(specifically ) can't use too much magic, why the dragons stay in a location for the time being, and etc. Either you skimmed through or skipped some parts. Also highly unlikely they will kill Chise.


You obviously understand only what you read, so let me to break it down for you. This was the only anime they made with actual magic and similar air around it. With that meaning that it was a great success. The rest animes we saw with anime tags, don't get even near to actually get the magic tag. All futuristic characters weebo-like, unlike this one which more classic and centered around England.

What I didn't like was the unnecessary depression the input in this anime, the length, the odd-weird interaction between Chise and Elias and the whole focus between the relationship of the 2. Clearly unnecessary, reason is because we had to get to see a anime like that since Ghibli studio stopped.

It's exactly like seeing a movie of their! But they made it series instead. So it should focused more into magic and less into socialism, we are not watching a reality show but a magical anime. This is a site for people to get to know good plots about animes they want to watch and thus the harsh criticism against the animes. You can tell they rush it if you watched hundreds of them like I did. That is what is bothering me, because they idea of making something classic with a simplistic magic like that was not just great.

I would prefer Ariel for her familiar instead of Ruth, because it's obvious his unreliable due to his trauma. Don't see the fact that they explain everything like you reasoned in your previous comment. Look the fact on what is missing from the anime. They didn't have to proceed it like that, they could have given it a different path and let us float in their fantasy world.

We don't watch a anime to generate depression and comment in the end "ooh such an artist twist of emotions". We watch anime to feel good with ourselves, japanese anime creators always tend to lead the viewers with too many damn flashbacks of the traumatic memories of the protagonists.

(See Evangelion,eureka 7 etc.)

A lot people have written how disgusting it is that way of letting a anime unfold, ok we get it, her mother kicked her out bla bla. We get Elias is a creature that doesn't even know what emotion is, so in general his personality is similar to a robot. We're not idiots we can see that just by 1ep, that much info and focus around him was too much.

The curse was another depressive idea as well, why not tho to just show another ordinary adventure with Chise in the fairy world with Elias. Why not show an interaction with the fairies that wanted to draw her into the fairy realm (Ariel and the rest).

In those last 3 episodes we will get to see why Cartaphilus is the Psycho he is and how a cleaner establishment between Elias, Ruth's with Chise be done. Rather than the lift of the curse or her demise and how being satisfied of how some people accepted her and that she gave no regrets.

All and all a very nice anime but just a plain sloppy story without much exploration of the general magic world...in a 24 episode serie. Like the rest "magic" animes with just centered idea.

Don't you see it? It was too fast forward for a anime like that, I could compose it into a movie and you would think, "hey is this Ghibli studio?".

You get it now?

Like this guy said, but with ofc not that many words like me.

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Eh, not a lot happened again. Just no direction whatsoever.
 
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agilityredfox said:
Eh, not a lot happened again. Got to see the more sinister side of Elias again, surprised Ruth was on board too.

The last few episodes really need to save this anime for me. I can appreciate why people like it but for me there's just no direction whatsoever.


"not a lot happened" did we watch the same episode?


Elias and Chise agree to sort.out her curse. Their first option fails so Elias goes behind her back. They disagree and Chise leaves with Joseph/cartaphilus.

Literally 3 things happened this episode. I can respect that its a brief summary but to me, that's all that's important, everything else feels really unecessary.

I can respect why people like this show for all its teenage angst, attention to detail and meaningful interaction between the characters. In my opinion the show took a massive dip in quality in the second cour. Every problem that arises is solved in the same episode, the main villain only pops up from time to time, no sense of urgency or overall direction of the story. if anything its more a slice of life than anything. It took Chise longer to craft her wand than it did to calm a cursed dragon. The second OP is just a glorified AMV. I'm disappointed by this show as I really enjoyed the OVA. It made a recovery two weeks ago but went back to being bland SoL with a flare for fantasy.

 
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agilityredfox said:
awkward_meerkat said:


"not a lot happened" did we watch the same episode?


Elias and Chise agree to sort.out her curse. Their first option fails so Elias goes behind her back. They disagree and Chise leaves with Joseph/cartaphilus.

Literally 3 things happened this episode. I can respect that its a brief summary but to me, that's all that's important, everything else feels really unecessary.

I can respect why people like this show for all its teenage angst, attention to detail and meaningful interaction between the characters. In my opinion the show took a massive dip in quality in the second cour. Every problem that arises is solved in the same episode, the main villain only pops up from time to time, no sense of urgency or overall direction of the story. if anything its more a slice of life than anything. It took Chise longer to craft her wand than it did to calm a cursed dragon. The second OP is just a glorified AMV. I'm disappointed by this show as I really enjoyed the OVA. It made a recovery two weeks ago but went back to being bland SoL with a flare for fantasy.
If you think like that, then every episode of every anime can be described in the same way. Ep 1 in Hajime no Ippo can be described as a boy gets bullied and learns how to punch from pro boxer and now wants to be one. You see there is more to it than all those three things that happened. (I like the second op too)
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Botan-Chan45 said:
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Elias and Chise agree to sort.out her curse. Their first option fails so Elias goes behind her back. They disagree and Chise leaves with Joseph/cartaphilus.

Literally 3 things happened this episode. I can respect that its a brief summary but to me, that's all that's important, everything else feels really unecessary.

I can respect why people like this show for all its teenage angst, attention to detail and meaningful interaction between the characters. In my opinion the show took a massive dip in quality in the second cour. Every problem that arises is solved in the same episode, the main villain only pops up from time to time, no sense of urgency or overall direction of the story. if anything its more a slice of life than anything. It took Chise longer to craft her wand than it did to calm a cursed dragon. The second OP is just a glorified AMV. I'm disappointed by this show as I really enjoyed the OVA. It made a recovery two weeks ago but went back to being bland SoL with a flare for fantasy.
If you think like that, then every episode of every anime can be described in the same way. Ep 1 in Hajime no Ippo can be described as a boy gets bullied and learns how to punch from pro boxer and now wants to be one. You see there is more to it than all those three things that happened. (I like the second op too)


Yes, I appreciate that most episodes can be summed up in one sentence, but at least Hajime no Ippo has a general direction its going in. Ancient magus bride has no direction whatsoever, do most episodes just feel like disjointed short stories. Like I said, I can appreciate why people like this, but in my opinion they've sacrificed plot development for character development. I wanted to think this show was great but personally I'm just underwhlemed. At least the soundtrack is good.

 
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Chise 'joining' with Joesph to save herself and Stella was an expected decision just because in that scenario is she had no other choice but for some reason, it didn't process through my brain and I somehow expected another action to occur.
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Finally, the Witch could not help Chise altought Cartaphilus gave her an opportunity to remove the haunting!!!!


Hello, my litte boy!


 
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And yeah, Elias really makes Chise angry now. I think it's not the first time he did something that make Chise angry or worry. I think what makes Chise angry are two things, first why you decide thing for me without asking me first and second why you never change after all of this. Yeah, if I become Chise I would be really angry too altough she's not the real Stella but Cartaphilus. Now I'm curious about how Elias will make Chise believe him again...
 
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A lot of Mahoyome's dialogue is extremely sketchy and vague, maybe I would enjoy this more if I concentrate on it.

MCs' voice acting was a tad questionable.

Having said that it was more fun to watch than the average Mahoyome week
 
Mar 19, 2018 10:38 AM

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Elias... is so abusive... It's scary. Him being child-like doesn't excuse how wrong his thought-process is. He's an interesting character but they do not have a healthy relationship.
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Mar 24, 2018 11:21 PM

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damn jealousy makes you a monster

I'm nervous for chise ahh, I hope she wont be tortured
 
Mar 26, 2018 5:07 AM

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That punch was well deserved! Jealousy is a very powerful tool and is not good. But why is Joseph possessing Stella's body? Can't wait to find out what this will lead. Hope Chise won't fall for that sorcerer's hands foolishly >_>;
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Mar 26, 2018 11:07 PM
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Tell me one thing... what person in his right state ofmind would just sit by and watch their loved ones (even if they are retards) as they wait for their death...????


Would you prefer your loved ones to die in a peaceful manner or have them suffer for the rest of their lives?

If Elias cared about Chise even a bit, he would have considered her feelings. He is only interested in Chise because she's a Sleigh Beggy. He's just using her as an experiment subject.
 
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Good episode. Elias once again acts like a douche so I'm glad Chise reacted that way tbh. Learning more about Cartaphilus' plan shall be interesting.
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Mar 29, 2018 12:19 PM

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So Chise finally realizes Elias is a monster after he tried to eat her on multiple occasions and constantly showed a lack of empathy for others.
 
Apr 2, 2018 3:24 AM

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This anime came from good vibes to bad vibes real quick.
 
Apr 30, 2018 8:12 PM
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I really dislike how they've been putting music over scenes without dialogue and expect you to read/have read the manga to get all the details. And this is just one of many times, mostly during the 2nd half, that they've skipped explanations that you can find in the manga. I just wished they planned the composition of this adaptation better.

But anyways, Elias sure is dangerous. He was about to sacrifice Stella, and not the dragon, simply because he's jealous. I'm also surprised that Ruth went along with it, but I guess neither of them, not being human themselves, understands that doing something like that is something Chise would consider absolutely unforgivable.
The stare and voice that Chise gave Elias gave me chills. Her tone when she said "...really?" was so perfectly serious. it's a tone that we've never heard from Chise before. Probs to Atsumi Tanezaki for that delivery.

I know Chise is acting on emotions, but damn, you can't trust anything Cartaphilus says, especially after everything that he's done. But at the same time, she didn't have much choice either. Who knows what he'd do to Stella before they could save her. I'm still a bit traumatized when we saw what he was live dissecting the poor kid dragon D:
 
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Wait.. wasn't she a slave to the skull? now she has guts to punch her master in the face? she needs punishment asap.

In the other hand, that creepy pedo skull totally deserved to be punched.
 
May 12, 2018 3:42 PM

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So she finally saw his true colors, such thing was long overdue. He would do anything to selfishly keep her near himself. Have to say I like this developement, she finally needs to save the monster inside of him instead of just blindingly depend on him everytime. Kinda wonder where this goes, although this is probably my false hope as he would most likely save her again, return her normal hand. and they would reconcile with each other.

Also, nice dilemmas this episode. Still, for her to turn away from one who betrayed her only to believe Cartaphillus instead, that was immensely stupid decision, even if she wanted to save her friend.

I sense some deus ex machina coming... or Lindel magic to solve everything.
 
Aug 9, 2018 9:31 PM

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That's quite the episode, especially that ending was interesting. That Stella certainly is not the right Stella, or was she faking it from the beginning? Really interesting and I do wonder what happens next.
 
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Aw. Elias and Ruth, what y'all doinnnnn? Nuuuu TT________TT

It broke my heart to see Chise's expressions of betrayal when Elias admitted to swapping out her life with Stella's :( Jealousy is mean, green monster hahaha

Looks like Renfred's prediction at the auction was right after all, lol
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Aaaannnnddddddd Chise willingly left Elias :(((

I love Ariel. So helpful ^.^

Maybe Joseph and Chise can find some happy medium between their opposite curses. But she still shouldn't trust him ofc bc of many reasons lmao. Sucks that she got blackmailed into doing what he wants tho, so that's unfortunate and inevitable :/
 
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"As long as the dragon is still alive, the curse cannot be broken."

So, uh...is killing the fucking dragon not an option? Seems better than human sacrifice.
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Shit, this is really really bad

So many mixed feelings ahhhhh

Elias went down a really dark, selfish path to save her

Ruth didn't stop him even though he should have known how much it would hurt Chise

This is the most top-tier level screw-up I've ever seen

And then Chise runs off with Josephilus

THIS IS REALLY BAD
 
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Does this have anything to do with the monster that kidnapped Ethan? I had a feeling the ending to that arc was too good to be true
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Shit, this is really really bad

So many mixed feelings ahhhhh

Elias went down a really dark, selfish path to save her

Ruth didn't stop him even though he should have known how much it would hurt Chise

This is the most top-tier level screw-up I've ever seen

And then Chise runs off with Josephilus

THIS IS REALLY BAD


ikr both are idiots
 
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