Death March kara Hajimaru Isekai Kyousoukyoku Episode 4 Discussion

deadman80 said:
@bitchassdarius:

* The concept of "resistance" in actual games has to do with "quantifiably reduced damage/duration/effect", and not related at all to the concept of "pain". Pain is not something that can be easily conceptualized in-game and communicated to the outside existence of a player. That means it is not reasonable to assume that pain adjustment is intended to be part of the game systems. It is not "widely understood" at all that your assertion has any basis, anywhere. The game concept of "resistance" is not based on "real world concepts", it's based on numbers originally used in D&D to reduce the damage taken, or duration of effect, or being able to avoid being affected at all by "magic", which last I checked, is not a "real world concept". Not pain.

But again, the pain issue is a non-issue as far as whether it would logically affect his actions at this point in the story, since it doesn't matter nearly as much whether something hurt or not, than if he thinks it will hurt or not. Your Pokemon analogy doesn't work because neither of them is intended to be understood by the viewer as someone from THIS world to begin with. Satou is from HERE, which means that logically, he should, and most likely will since he has so far, obey OUR rules for how a "modern ethically minded Japanese male in a non-physical labor field of work" should be interacting with his environment, at the very least until he would have time to internalize and adjust his mindset to his new situation.

* The gameworld system is a mashup of two otherwise unrelated games. One was about to ship, and one was still buggy (there was that bit about infinite inventory, Satou said he fixed it, co-worker said it's the other game... and that's why Satou's inventory is infinite lol) but even if each game had been impossibly perfect programs 100.0% bug-free to begin with, I rather doubt they would stay bug-free once they got smashed together and overlaid onto another reality. The most amazing thing about this is that the bugs in the resulting gameworld are actually being recognized as bugs by Satou, he is deciding to exploit each of them or not, (mostly "not",) and are plot-important in general so far.

I am not defending the production of the show, since it does have some rather glaring problems (action scenes are horribly stiff and badly choreographed, the acting as a whole feels rather flat and unenthusiastic, 3DCG has been poorly integrated, etc.) but as an anime-only viewer, I will defend what I've seen of the story so far. Since I am enjoying it so far, and the game-based stuff makes actual logical sense which is a rarity in this particular sub-genre.

The biggest problem that I have with this show is the deep importance of tons of itty-bitty fuzzy-to-the-point-of-unreadability Japanese text characters that tend to zoom thru the screen in less than 2sec. I can read a bit of Japanese, which normally helps me when watching anime, but the font used here SUCKS for fast moving small text, so I'm also one of those who have to rely on subtitles. So if CR doesn't sub a line of text, we may all miss important plot points/foreshadowing, which can cause the narrative to feel disjoined for non-Japanese when it shouldn't. >_<;;

KamenRiderMagna said:


Yeah, but we need more than just competence and maturity. We need development... we don't get that considering he's getting everything on the fly. He suddenly gets a slave harem bc reasons..

bitchassdarius said:

If he's able to use a holy sword, then obviously he's a hero. So it doesn't matter if he proclaims it or not, since people would realize it anyway. Once he has the title and uses it, then it will become obvious what his title is. Your argument doesn't work. So yes, he's not trying to hide his title.

Ralf_Glow said:
"Would you like to purchase any slaves?"
"I'm not really intere--"
*2 slave girls walk out*
"...Maybe 2 more wouldn't hurt."
Episode was okay, the action was a bit lacking though.

FirestarAnime said:
Why the hell did he disguise himself? Does he want everyone to think he's normal? Why?

kyled00m said:
You're right....
Back during the middle ages, kings were HAPPY there were people who were a threat to their reign. Nobles were ECSTATIC about the same thing. Royals and nobles are kind and loving people who are happy to lend a hand to random people who might be a threat. They definitely wouldn't force slavery on someone with power. They definitely wouldn't make your life a pain in the ass.

Furthermore, this is a world with magic and when magic exists, there's a high likelihood of gods and their nasty priests who are no different than the nobles apart from you should be my slave because I'm the king ~> it's your blessing to by my slave, thank {god name here} that you have the opportunity.

I can't think of a single reason he should hide his power. How about you?

FirestarAnime said:
I suppose I was thinking of the world being more a generic isekai land rather than a medieval society. Those are valid reasons, but it's questionable if that was what was going through the character's head.

I say there are reasons he could reveal his power. He is clearly far more powerful than everyone in that city, so people wouldn't be capable of nor want to attempt fighting him. He could be a valuable asset to the city, or not depending on his motives, if there even are any.

To be honest, I wish I didn't have to discuss his power. I really wish he wasn't over-powered at all. The fights have no tension, there is no struggle in his life other than managing a stupid harem. I can't begin to describe my disappointment when he became god after moments after starting out as nobody.

Grey-Zone said:


1. Fights are not supposed to have tension. The fact that Satou used a title+sword combination an entire tier higher than would have been "appropriate" for a battle vs a high-ranked demon perfectly illustrated that. This scene was supposed to convey THAT. At that point it's already entirely about personal tastes, i.e. "better don't watch this if you only watch things for exciting battles". It's refreshing that it's upfront about this unlike other series with OP MC that try super hard to somehow shove in tension by using bad concepts like "power creep" or various kinds of "limitations" that make the initial impression of an OP MC turn out be be fake OPness, and the like.

2. Satou stated clearly in EP2 that he wants to go on a "leisurely sight-seeing trip" and he seems strongly interested in various kinds of food, while "going back home" is only a secondary objective. Would being disturbed every time someone sees him, help or hinder his goal? Who has it easier to be a tourist? A well-known celebrity that gets recognised on sight everytime he enters a town, instantly creating crowds of hundreds of people, potentially getting endless attacks by assassins and various people requesting him to subjugate some monsters?
Or a nameless nobody who is just a young peddler you can find anywhere?

3. Satou does not know if someone stronger than him exists somewhere. He killed a Dragon God by accident, but what if it can revive at some point and is still stronger than him (killing a god once doesn't make you neccessarily stronger than a god, perhaps it even does, but Satou doesn't know either way for sure)? If he revived and the next battle would be close to a city would Satou be willing to sacrifice various people to use the meteor shower this time?
And there is no guarantee that he won't encounter an even stronger god (a super cheat one like one that can control space/time or something) who is able to defend against the meteor shower, if Satou is too conspicuous. That would lead to an inevitable "dead end".


BTW, I have read the WN so I know whether these speculations above come true or not, but the points I made are entirely based off Satou's current knowledge. Something like "I don't think the author/character would think that far, because this is supposed to be generic isekai" is not really an argument, but rather an excuse for not wanting to think much about the contents of the series. The whole idea that isekais are "generic" is, in the first place, something relatively new. 2 years ago nobody would have said that and this series exists longer than that.

Mededwa said:
He is level 310, why don't he one tap every monsters ???????

FirestarAnime said:
Fine, your right. He would be far better off keeping his power a secret. It is down to personal taste of whether or not an OP character works in an anime or not. The show is doing exactly what it wants to correctly.

It's just that I'm sick of the unoriginality of it and it is making it boring to me. I guess my standards have raised after watching Konosuba. Also, fights without tension are bullshit if they are not entertaining in another way, despite what purpose they may serve.

Reina_Orikasa said:

That was literally what I was thinking when he was fighting the boss. He's so powerful he can literally one-shot anything that stands in front of him.

Highly unpopular opinion: I like the show.

LF2005 said:

didn't you ever played an RPG ? the fact that your character is max level doesn't mean you can one hit everyone, there are always monsters that are at the same level and even stronger of your cap level.
even a level 310 can't kill a slime that has 100% magic resistence, or he can get killed by a lv 40 wolf if he isn't equiped with a good aquipment

Reina_Orikasa said:

But mc isn't max level in the game (I'll admit I'm not too sure on how the level scaling/cap works in this anime/game). I've played enough RPGs to know that if you're 200 levels ahead of an enemy with correct scaling and good equipment you should be able to blow them away with little trouble.

MC has not encountered anything near his level yet. If a level 60 demon is considered 'high level', then he SHOULD be able to stomp anything in the way with the help of his party members.

LF2005 said:

even a level 310 can't kill a slime that has 100% magic resistence

LF2005 said:

he can get killed by a lv 40 wolf if he isn't equiped with a good aquipment

Reina_Orikasa said:


It never showed the slime with magic resistance. It only mentioned that 'LOW LEVEL magic won't work on it'.
iit was a low level magic + a stat boost that had no effect what so ever, so I assumed he has 100% magic resistance.

He literally has a 'god' sword. The stat difference between a level 40 and 310 is so huge that the level 40 should do zero damage even if the level 310 has bad equipment.
Any decent RPG with correct stat scaling will tell you that a level 40 monster is no match for a 310 player.

saengdao said:
wait if liza is like 10 (i think according to the profile) looking 14 how old are pochi and lulu suppose to be