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WHO to Recognize 'Gaming Disorder' as Mental Health Condition

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I know about some other "Disorder" that need to be added as Mental Health Conditions.
 
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next up internet addiction and im gonna be included on that one

the only problem with this is its prone to overdiagnosis

psychiatry needs to focus on finding biomarkers or physical laboratory tests for mental illness
 
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Jan 8, 2018 12:31 PM

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Anything can be an addiction, so meh.

But I do think this could be a problem... for the gaming industry
 
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Anything can be an addiction, so meh.

But I do think this could be a problem... for the gaming industry

Playing game is addiction, and buying loot boxes is not gambling, i think the gaming industry already have problem.
 
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Depends on the type of game. I was addicted to MMO's like Warcraft and Atantica Online for a while and yeah... that was intense. I think most console games don't really have that problem though.

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Swagernator said:
-Spades- said:
Anything can be an addiction, so meh.

But I do think this could be a problem... for the gaming industry

Playing game is addiction, and buying loot boxes is not gambling, i think the gaming industry already have problem.


Yeah I think you are right lol
 
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I laughed at this. Too ridiculous to take it serious.

Swagernator said:
-Spades- said:
Anything can be an addiction, so meh.

But I do think this could be a problem... for the gaming industry

Playing game is addiction, and buying loot boxes is not gambling, i think the gaming industry already have problem.


It depends on the box. If you know what you're getting from the beginning then it isn't gambling. If you have a chance to get whatever inside he box then it is gambling by definition.
 
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As I pointed out in another thread people literally game themselves to death. It's not even that rare. They skip sleeping and eating. Even when it's not to that level people might lose their jobs over not showing up to game or something.
 
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I mean, having the compulsion to continue performing ANY activity despite negative consequences to one's health, career, and relationships can be considered a mental disorder. It's just that an "addiction" to gaming is quite prevalent in this day and age.

It's funny seeing gamers overreact to this - but what many don't realize is that the vast majority of them wouldn't even meet the diagnostic criteria.
 
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The thing about addictive disorders (like all disorders) is that they can fall under a spectrum of severity, much like anything else that’s considered a mental disorder. Mental disorders themselves are so vast and so many, with some mimicking symptoms of others or having very similar diagnostic criteria (especially as time progresses, it’s hard to distinguish whether a disorder is manifesting the same under different conditions or starting to manifest as another disorder)... does that mean it’s going to be added to the next DSM or something, then?


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Having a passion to play video games isn't a mental disorder. You can play as long as you think you are able to. The point is, that you don't get a bad addiction to play video games or else, get ready to be classified as a person with 'gaming disorder'. Being addicted to something isn't bad. But controlling your addiction is a different story. Not being able to control your addiction and valuing it more than yourself can be considered a bad addiction, or say, a mental disorder.
 
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If you guys look up more about this, you'll find that they're classifying cases where addiction to video games have made a person near nonfunctional in society; e.g excluding oneself from friends for long periods of time, or not being able to productively complete work on time, or dropping out of school, etc. It's akin to other mental disorders such as depression which can cause the same results.

They're not victimizing video games. You can still play them and not be classified insane. They're victimizing the very real effects of video game obsession and how it drives generally normal people into self-inflicted isolation.
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It doesn't matter how many bishounens are in an anime if the plot is shit.
 
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Famknight said:
Being addicted to something isn't bad. But controlling your addiction is a different story. Not being able to control your addiction and valuing it more than yourself can be considered a bad addiction, or say, a mental disorder.
Yes, yes it is bad. While it is possible to "function" at some level (keep a job, maintain relationships, etc.) while being an addict, being an addict is not conducive to functioning, is damaging to mental and physical health, and limits possibilities by organizing life around addiction.
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If you guys look up more about this, you'll find that they're classifying cases where addiction to video games have made a person near nonfunctional in society; e.g excluding oneself from friends for long periods of time, or not being able to productively complete work on time, or dropping out of school, etc. It's akin to other mental disorders such as depression which can cause the same results.

They're not victimizing video games. You can still play them and not be classified insane. They're victimizing the very real effects of video game obsession and how it drives generally normal people into self-inflicted isolation.


Pretty sure a normal person wouldn't ever get like that.
 
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After working with people who forget their most basic needs (eating, showering etc) due to addictions to gaming, I'm so glad this has been recognized. I'm a gamer myself and can spend hours without even realizing in my free time so understand the love of video games. It's when it gets in your way with your day to day life and means you cannot function properly then it does need to be recognized. I hope this now means that people who need help do get it.


Bullshit. There is absolutely no way this is true.
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Drunk_Samurai said:
KleoShadowmoon said:
After working with people who forget their most basic needs (eating, showering etc) due to addictions to gaming, I'm so glad this has been recognized. I'm a gamer myself and can spend hours without even realizing in my free time so understand the love of video games. It's when it gets in your way with your day to day life and means you cannot function properly then it does need to be recognized. I hope this now means that people who need help do get it.


Bullshit. There is absolutely no way this is true.


I agree

showering makes sense, but who the fuck forgets to eat LOL
 
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Drunk_Samurai said:
ixaa said:
If you guys look up more about this, you'll find that they're classifying cases where addiction to video games have made a person near nonfunctional in society; e.g excluding oneself from friends for long periods of time, or not being able to productively complete work on time, or dropping out of school, etc. It's akin to other mental disorders such as depression which can cause the same results.

They're not victimizing video games. You can still play them and not be classified insane. They're victimizing the very real effects of video game obsession and how it drives generally normal people into self-inflicted isolation.


Pretty sure a normal person wouldn't ever get like that.

You'd be surprised to see how many normal (i.e functional) people succumb to addiction.
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It doesn't matter how many bishounens are in an anime if the plot is shit.
 
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Drunk_Samurai said:
KleoShadowmoon said:
After working with people who forget their most basic needs (eating, showering etc) due to addictions to gaming, I'm so glad this has been recognized. I'm a gamer myself and can spend hours without even realizing in my free time so understand the love of video games. It's when it gets in your way with your day to day life and means you cannot function properly then it does need to be recognized. I hope this now means that people who need help do get it.


Bullshit. There is absolutely no way this is true.


Given that people have died from playing too long (seems to be quite common in South Korea), I wouldn't put it past them to do that.

That said, why do they feel like this needs a separate entry, when it's just an addiction like any other? Did other addictions, such a watching too much TV, get the same treatment?
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Oof, I better claim some mental health benefits for this then :^)
 
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hmm does that meen people can opt out of being drafted because they don't accept people with mental health issues :P

well then WHO
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excluding oneself from friends for long periods of time, or not being able to productively complete work on time, or dropping out of school, etc.
People drop out of school because they fucking hate school.
People don't want to work because work fucking sucks.
And some people just don't have friends.

This isn't a video game problem. This is a life problem.

Classifying video game addiction as a health disorder isn't going to change shit. People are still going to isolate themselves from real life because real life is miserable not because of video games.
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PeenusWeenusCaim said:
ixaa said:
excluding oneself from friends for long periods of time, or not being able to productively complete work on time, or dropping out of school, etc.
People drop out of school because they fucking hate school.
People don't want to work because work fucking sucks.
And some people just don't have friends.

This isn't a video game problem. This is a life problem.

Classifying video game addiction as a health disorder isn't going to change shit. People are still going to isolate themselves from real life because real life is miserable not because of video games.


I'm not going to deny that this is a mental health issue. However, video games are basically a catalyst for shut-ins who would be "functional" and i.e "productive" for a longer period of time.

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It doesn't matter how many bishounens are in an anime if the plot is shit.
 
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ixaa said:
PeenusWeenusCaim said:
People drop out of school because they fucking hate school.
People don't want to work because work fucking sucks.
And some people just don't have friends.

This isn't a video game problem. This is a life problem.

Classifying video game addiction as a health disorder isn't going to change shit. People are still going to isolate themselves from real life because real life is miserable not because of video games.


I'm not going to deny that this is a mental health issue. However, video games are basically a catalyst for shut-ins who would be "functional" and i.e "productive" for a longer period of time.



This is false. Remove video games and the person would have replaced it with something else.
 
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ixaa said:


I'm not going to deny that this is a mental health issue. However, video games are basically a catalyst for shut-ins who would be "functional" and i.e "productive" for a longer period of time.



This is false. Remove video games and the person would have replaced it with something else.

true

humans need entertainment or an activity and free time.

often work does not count as an activity (unless they enjoy doing it. but that's rare.)

in the middle ages often executions were used as a source of entertainment. barbaric yes but they didn't have a whole lot to do.

why do you think Rome had Gladiatorial battles for people to watch?

also implying gamers don't have friends rrriiiggghhhtttt.

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Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others."
 
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Haven't they been saying this for years?
 
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Haven't they been saying this for years?

they use to say the same about tv as well.
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Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others."
 
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Bullshit. There is absolutely no way this is true.


Given that people have died from playing too long (seems to be quite common in South Korea), I wouldn't put it past them to do that.

That said, why do they feel like this needs a separate entry, when it's just an addiction like any other? Did other addictions, such a watching too much TV, get the same treatment?


I have forgotten to eat while playing games. I have not slept because "just one more hour".


I am also someone who is an ex-Yugioh addict. And as much as it is "safe" to play say the Tagforce series... things like Duel links could send me out of control on spending if I don't watch myself.

I spent $200 a month on Yugioh at one point in my life. And that was money I didn't really have. I knew many other Yugioh players who would drop their entire paycheck on Yugioh and forget they need to eat.

Valuing your game more than your family, friends outside of gaming, and other responsibilities....I have been there. It is a dark space. You really stop caring about people who don't play your game. You will manipulate others to buy you stuff when you can't afford it.

And yeah this included crying in order to get more cards... or feigning sexual interest. When I had none except for Yugioh itself. I was orgasming when I played...

It is super hard to really describe just how deep in I was but it gave me a rush like no other thing- but also made me feel like trash when I wasn't doing the thing. And as much as I can "cut back" it took getting a dog which I felt mattered more to me than gaming. I still have IMPULSES all the time that I prevent myself from buying psychical cards which have this entire ritual + smell element.
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Just about anything can be classified as a disorder ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This TED talk is quite interesting on the topic if any are interested.


 
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Drunk_Samurai said:
ixaa said:


I'm not going to deny that this is a mental health issue. However, video games are basically a catalyst for shut-ins who would be "functional" and i.e "productive" for a longer period of time.



This is false. Remove video games and the person would have replaced it with something else.

Nothing you're saying is wrong.

This is a mental health issue. People who become obsessed with video games to the point of shut-ins already have underlying psychological issues prior to their addiction. If they did not have video games, they would still probably turn to drugs, alcohol, TV, or the like.

HOWEVER, video games are a factor or they speed up the process in which a person becomes completely nonfunctional. It is extremely akin to alcohol. People become obsessed with video games because it allows them to explore a new and better world, or at the very least, it helps them escape the issues of real life. This is the same way alcoholics drink heavily because they like to "forget their troubles", even if only temporarily.

IF video games did not exist, then the possibility of a skyrocketing number of alcoholism or drug abuse in the USA is hardly an impossible concept.
However, in the similar way that alcoholism is a mental disorder, video game obsession is classified as one too.
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It doesn't matter how many bishounens are in an anime if the plot is shit.
 
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ixaa said:
Drunk_Samurai said:


This is false. Remove video games and the person would have replaced it with something else.

Nothing you're saying is wrong.

This is a mental health issue. People who become obsessed with video games to the point of shut-ins already have underlying psychological issues prior to their addiction. If they did not have video games, they would still probably turn to drugs, alcohol, TV, or the like.

HOWEVER, video games are a factor or they speed up the process in which a person becomes completely nonfunctional. It is extremely akin to alcohol. People become obsessed with video games because it allows them to explore a new and better world, or at the very least, it helps them escape the issues of real life. This is the same way alcoholics drink heavily because they like to "forget their troubles", even if only temporarily.

IF video games did not exist, then the possibility of a skyrocketing number of alcoholism or drug abuse in the USA is hardly an impossible concept.
However, in the similar way that alcoholism is a mental disorder, video game obsession is classified as one too.


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*rolls eyes* Okay, I guess everything is a mental disorder now. Better contact my therapist and get help for being a fan of anime.
 
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Drunk_Samurai said:
KleoShadowmoon said:
After working with people who forget their most basic needs (eating, showering etc) due to addictions to gaming, I'm so glad this has been recognized. I'm a gamer myself and can spend hours without even realizing in my free time so understand the love of video games. It's when it gets in your way with your day to day life and means you cannot function properly then it does need to be recognized. I hope this now means that people who need help do get it.


Bullshit. There is absolutely no way this is true.

You need to open your eyes and take a look around you, son. The world is vast and much stranger than what you seem to think.
 
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Every addiction, including gaming, should be seen as something serious and addressed as such.
There are already plenty of clinics who treat people with gaming addiction, so I don't see how some people don't consider it a serious problem.
Every addiction or "hobby" that stands in the way of you having a "Normal" life and do what you should (work, have healthy habits etc..) as to be addressed.
 
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