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Feb 19, 5:46 AM

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@5layer they didn't ask stupid just because they dont check the year. If I was in that situation I wouldn't check the year unless someone told me or I saw it somehow. Unless, the teacher has the year on the board I wouldn't even have known.
 
Feb 19, 5:55 AM

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Zerity said:
@5layer they didn't ask stupid just because they dont check the year. If I was in that situation I wouldn't check the year unless someone told me or I saw it somehow. Unless, the teacher has the year on the board I wouldn't even have known.
But would you live the other person's life for them for several weeks while doing nothing about your situation or would you immediately try to get in contact with them and meet up? That would lead you to finding out about the date difference within a week. The way the characters responded to the situation isn't realistic at all.
 
Feb 19, 6:04 AM

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@5layer no not really, I wouldn't really want to meet up with them.
 
Feb 19, 6:38 AM

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Zerity said:
@5layer no not really, I wouldn't really want to meet up with them.
Either way the day of the week mismatches when there's a 3 year gap. You'd notice.
 
Feb 19, 6:51 AM

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5layer said:
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@5layer no not really, I wouldn't really want to meet up with them.
Either way the day of the week mismatches when there's a 3 year gap. You'd notice.
They switch bodies randomly, there's a chance that they switch bodies wherein weekdays/ends match in both timelines. It was briefly shown in the movie when Taki(as Mitsuha) was wearing her school uniform on a weekend. They're probably aware of this being a potential plot hole but then again they can just dismiss this as a plot convenience if anything and not exactly a plot hole. Since it can happen both ways, they decided to make the characters not notice the time on purpose.
 
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Either way the day of the week mismatches when there's a 3 year gap. You'd notice.
They switch bodies randomly, there's a chance that they switch bodies wherein weekdays/ends match in both timelines. It was briefly shown in the movie when Taki(as Mitsuha) was wearing her school uniform on a weekend. They're probably aware of this being a potential plot hole but then again they can just dismiss this as a plot convenience if anything and not exactly a plot hole. Since it can happen both ways, they decided to make the characters not notice the time on purpose.

Yeah, my point to that guy was that it wouldn't work out like this in reality and the characters really are portrayed as being quite stupid to make it work out the way that it did. There's a lot of conveniences like this throughout the movie. It didn't actually bother me enough to dislike the movie but I can see why so many people hate it as much as they do.
 
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5layer said:
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They switch bodies randomly, there's a chance that they switch bodies wherein weekdays/ends match in both timelines. It was briefly shown in the movie when Taki(as Mitsuha) was wearing her school uniform on a weekend. They're probably aware of this being a potential plot hole but then again they can just dismiss this as a plot convenience if anything and not exactly a plot hole. Since it can happen both ways, they decided to make the characters not notice the time on purpose.

Yeah, my point to that guy was that it wouldn't work out like this in reality and the characters really are portrayed as being quite stupid to make it work out the way that it did. There's a lot of conveniences like this throughout the movie. It didn't actually bother me enough to dislike the movie but I can see why so many people hate it as much as they do.


I guess that if you don't like magic, then there's no reason to complain on a story about supernatural phenomenon. Briefly, no it doesn't work like this in reality because this story is completely fictional and you just set up your own rules based on a vaguely explained phenomenon.
 
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I guess that if you don't like magic, then there's no reason to complain on a story about supernatural phenomenon. Briefly, no it doesn't work like this in reality because this story is completely fictional and you just set up your own rules based on a vaguely explained phenomenon.

I didn't set anything up. The characters make stupid decisions and react unrealistically within the context of the movie. Being fictional and supernatural doesn't excuse bad writing. I'm sure you've seen at least one fantasy/supernatural anime where some character did something you thought was stupid or even acted completely out of character just to force some plot to work and it probably annoyed you. It's that feeling. You just happened to not feel it in this movie. A lot of people did, though. In many places.
 
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@5layer ye some character would make dumb choices. First its not bad writing, second maybe you would have noticed the dates but the character maybe would not have, and just because they didn't notice it doesn't make them dumb, third they switched places in different locations lets say if they both body switched in tokyo yes they could tell the difference in years, but the didn't. They were in way diffrent locations from a city to a village like place.
 
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5layer said:
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I guess that if you don't like magic, then there's no reason to complain on a story about supernatural phenomenon. Briefly, no it doesn't work like this in reality because this story is completely fictional and you just set up your own rules based on a vaguely explained phenomenon.

I didn't set anything up. The characters make stupid decisions and react unrealistically within the context of the movie. Being fictional and supernatural doesn't excuse bad writing. I'm sure you've seen at least one fantasy/supernatural anime where some character did something you thought was stupid or even acted completely out of character just to force some plot to work and it probably annoyed you. It's that feeling. You just happened to not feel it in this movie. A lot of people did, though. In many places.


Characters can act unrealistically only if firstly the rules defined mismatch with the behaviour of the characters. The only way you can say that something is unrealistic is being an expert on the matter. Here in this movie the characters are drastically altered within time and physical bodies. So unless you have already experienced something similar, you can't argue for sure that the supernatural phenomenon isn't playing on their mind or memories. Like I said, the phenomenon is vaguely explained so it makes it impossible to identify which situation is unrealistic unless there's evidence that point out that they actually did acknowledge the time skip.
 
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Hrybami said:
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I didn't set anything up. The characters make stupid decisions and react unrealistically within the context of the movie. Being fictional and supernatural doesn't excuse bad writing. I'm sure you've seen at least one fantasy/supernatural anime where some character did something you thought was stupid or even acted completely out of character just to force some plot to work and it probably annoyed you. It's that feeling. You just happened to not feel it in this movie. A lot of people did, though. In many places.


Characters can act unrealistically only if firstly the rules defined mismatch with the behaviour of the characters. The only way you can say that something is unrealistic is being an expert on the matter. Here in this movie the characters are drastically altered within time and physical bodies. So unless you have already experienced something similar, you can't argue for sure that the supernatural phenomenon isn't playing on their mind or memories. Like I said, the phenomenon is vaguely explained so it makes it impossible to identify which situation is unrealistic unless there's evidence that point out that they actually did acknowledge the time skip.

I once took acid and LSD then ate shrooms and thought I was a different person and it was nothing like this.
 
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Characters can act unrealistically only if firstly the rules defined mismatch with the behaviour of the characters. The only way you can say that something is unrealistic is being an expert on the matter. Here in this movie the characters are drastically altered within time and physical bodies. So unless you have already experienced something similar, you can't argue for sure that the supernatural phenomenon isn't playing on their mind or memories. Like I said, the phenomenon is vaguely explained so it makes it impossible to identify which situation is unrealistic unless there's evidence that point out that they actually did acknowledge the time skip.
You can apply this to literally any fictional work to try to defend any stupid thing it does. Just because it's fictional and people haven't experienced it doesn't mean it can do anything and get away with people not thinking it was stupid.
 
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5layer said:
Hrybami said:
Characters can act unrealistically only if firstly the rules defined mismatch with the behaviour of the characters. The only way you can say that something is unrealistic is being an expert on the matter. Here in this movie the characters are drastically altered within time and physical bodies. So unless you have already experienced something similar, you can't argue for sure that the supernatural phenomenon isn't playing on their mind or memories. Like I said, the phenomenon is vaguely explained so it makes it impossible to identify which situation is unrealistic unless there's evidence that point out that they actually did acknowledge the time skip.
You can apply this to literally any fictional work to try to defend any stupid thing it does. Just because it's fictional and people haven't experienced it doesn't mean it can do anything and get away with people not thinking it was stupid.


What does being stupid has to do with being unrealistic?
 
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Hrybami said:
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You can apply this to literally any fictional work to try to defend any stupid thing it does. Just because it's fictional and people haven't experienced it doesn't mean it can do anything and get away with people not thinking it was stupid.


What does being stupid has to do with being unrealistic?

Guess I made it too general and you intentionally let it go over your head.

Having unrealistic circumstances isn't going to make people accept literally any unrealistic thing that happens. Does that sound better to you? If one of the characters in this movie suddenly turned into a dragon and then turned back to normal a second later and it was never mentioned ever again in the movie and all the characters acted like it never happened, the viewer is going to notice and point out that it made no sense or was stupid or was unrealistic within the context of the movie.
 
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What does being stupid has to do with being unrealistic?

Guess I made it too general and you intentionally let it go over your head.

Having unrealistic circumstances isn't going to make people accept literally any unrealistic thing that happens. Does that sound better to you? If one of the characters in this movie suddenly turned into a dragon and then turned back to normal a second later and it was never mentioned ever again in the movie and all the characters acted like it never happened, the viewer is going to notice and point out that it made no sense or was stupid or was unrealistic within the context of the movie.



If something is stupid to you doesn't mean it's stupid for everyone else. But if something is stupid because the circumstances went in a different direction than what the plot suggested then yes it can be considered unrealistic. However, if something stupid happens when the plot also appears to move on with it and makes it factual within the set of rules of the supernatural element of the show, then it's hardly unrealistic.

Stupidity is subjective while unrealistic isn't. At least you can still say that the situation is unusual within its circumstance, but unrealistic is a bit of a stretch.
 
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Saw this post on reddit thought it might be relevant here
Compare this and this.

Also these 2

Director was aware of this plot hole throughout the movie which means it was left unfixed which means there is a reason why MCs didnt notice change in days. Remember there was one scene where Taki wakes up in Mizuha's body and changes to her uniform for only to be reminded by sister that there was no school.

My guess would be that when they wake up they forget details just like how we forget our dreams easily. Personally i can be really illogical in my dreams where i wouldnt question out of the ordinary stuff like aliens and what not too
 
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The only thing that bothered me about the movie, is that Taki clearly has an iPhone 6 (or any of the immediate variants/successors which share the same basic design), which only came out in late 2014, while Mitsuha lives in 2013, long before the iPhone 6 was even announced and its design was shown to the public. She spends a lot of time in Taki's body using the phone, so why on Earth didn't she notice that he had a phone that nobody in her own time-frame had ever seen? And why didn't Taki notice that Mitsuha's phone was an antiquity by 2016's standards?

Small detail, and it didn't really ruin the movie for me (even if it did bother me a little). It's just something I know I would have noticed and questioned if I was in either Taki or Mitsuha's position...
 
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Now I want to go through this film looking for all the times the date was shown on screen. dorothy3242 made an excellent point - they writers knew about the date/day discrepancy even if the characters didn't notice it.
It's true that randomly 4/7 would mismatch weekend/weekday but on the 3/7 times when they are both weekdays most people wouldn't notice the difference.
Maybe only that once did the weekend/weekday clash occur.
Also they have imperfect memories going from one body to the other - they were often disorientated and only vaguely remembered the events of their switches - try remembering both the date and which day of the week something from your childhood happened on... that's how I think of it.
In such a situation there is so much 'noise' distracting you that it's easy to miss an obvious detail unless you look for the discrepancy.
 
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Kasperow, wow you recognise the type of a phone? I've had the same phone for years and couldn't even tell you the make and model. As for a girl from a rural town being aware of phone models let alone caring... If it was the case that the thread used in the braiding sequences was no longer produced in those colours three years later do you think Taki would have noticed?
If the time difference was more significant, like before smart phones existed then it'd be more noticeable - but even then: "wow isn't the tech. in Tokyo so much more advanced than out here" covers a lot.
 
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Nunnally03 said:
I think, even if they noticed... they wouldn't really care. Because all they know is that they switched trough their dreams, it doesn't matter if they are from different worlds or time., they didn't really care about that at first. They just enjoyed the experience while making sure that their lives wouldn't completely change. They only started to care after they started to like each other or get curious about each other.

For me the only thing I didn't like about the movie was that

that works for me

Also why are you letting a small plot hole ruin the whole experience, just enjoy man!
My english teacher used to say- don't overthink of literature, movies.They are meant to be enjoyed
 
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