| Since it's just about released everywhere, I'm interested to see more people's reactions rather than just critics lumping praise on it left right and centre. I saw it last night and I personally really liked it, but I physically could not stop myself cringing at the 'comedy' that was inserted in here and there. In certain scenes it just interrupted any kind of dramatic tension that was there; totally unecessary and it just wasn't funny. One or two payoffs were a bit underwhelming as well. It did however have probably one of my favourite scenes in all of Star Wars though in the middle-ish bit. Beware spoilers.. |
KilnerbankerDec 16, 2017 8:16 AM
| Thought the beginning was kind of boring, the casino planet and its sappy moral message was cringy af, but the end, Mark Hamil is hands down the best actor in this. Loved seeing Laura Dern as well. Carrie Fisher also seemed to have found her groove this episode. She was examplary. Rip. |
EratiKDec 15, 2017 10:18 AM
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| I found it great overall and think that was the best SW movie coming from Disney. While the pacing during the Canto Bight parts was very slow I enjoyed most of the other things that came into play in this movie. But I have to admit Mark Hamill stole the show for me. |
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| Message: "Trust White Fox to lead the way" When three of the bombers got chain-wrecked, my mind played the clip "These are some flimsy ships" from the Nausicaa Disney dub (which also has Mark Hamill in it... and Patrick Stewart). Lots of inversions of expectations, some quite enjoyable. I went in expecting heroes' plans to fail, which made it more enjoyable when anything actually worked. But I was frustrated by that whole convoluted escape plotline, in which Admiral Holdo's refusal to tell Poe about her plan to get away under cloak (a plan which he approved of, when he finally learned it) led to a chain of events directly resulting in DJ (Benicio Del Toro) being brought in to help the First Order see through the cloak and destroy most of the transports. Or if you prefer, you could blame Poe and Finn. On one hand, it's refreshing in a way to have a realistic outcome to a crackpot guerilla scheme, but on the other hand, it's anti-fun to watch the heroes get hundreds of allies killed in the course of trying to save them. The movie's tone didn't really treat that tragedy with the gravity it deserved. Yay, now let's ride off in this AT-ST that BB-8 hijacked! Fun fun fun! On the plus side the excursion had a positive impact in that force-user boy's life, so that's nice I guess. Porgs were great. Seemed like they barely got two minutes of screentime. I really liked Rey in the "first" film, so I was surprised that for this one she got usurped as best girl by Rose. Loved the Space Battleship Yamato giant cannons. Need to see it again to get a clearer opinion on Luke's motivation for changing his mind and completely putting his faith in Rey at the end. It felt too sudden and convenient. The pivotal scene with Yoda was great, though. I thought that Leia was already dead after that scene near the start. I relished getting to see her use the force, that was beautiful. I had expected she would die, based on this quote from Rian Johnson: "When she passed away, we were pretty deep into postproduction. When we came back to the edit room after New Year’s, it was so hard. We went through all her scenes. I felt very strongly that we don’t try to change her performance. We don’t adjust what happens to her in this movie. Emotionally, you can’t help recontextualize it, now that she’s gone. It’s almost eerie how there are scenes that have an emotional resonance and a meaning, especially now. She gives a beautiful and complete performance in this film." - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/movies/star-wars-the-last-jedi-director-rian-johnson.html Edit: removed spoiler tags, since thread is now marked as open spoilers. |
nDroaeDec 27, 2017 12:11 PM
| I think it was the best Star Wars film since the original trilogy. Thematically I would say it even rivals some of the old ones. I loved how The Force was portrayed throughout the film and what that hopefully will mean to the SW universe in the future. Most of the problems I had with it was really just problems that carried over from Force Awakens. I definitely don't think it's an excellent film or anything, but Rian Johnson did a really good job with what he had to work with. |
| You could watch the prequels and tell Palpatine was the big bad. You could watch the originals and tell Darth Vader was the big bad. The new trilogy though? Where the fuck is he? The movie flips and flops Kylo so much that I can't tell if he's the big bad or not. Snopes was also weak and the least threatening bad guy I ever saw. He's a fucking ballsac in a bath robe. Rey being a nobody only further establishes herself as a Mary Sue. Nothing has changed. The movie starts with the Rebels running away crying for help and it ends with the Rebels running away and crying for help. Luke was badass but I'm disappointed we've never seen the jedi master display his true skills on screen. It could have been legendary. The cruiser warping at lightspeed towards the destroyer was amazing. The lady with the purple hair easily went from most hated character in the movie to the most bro-tier at that moment. The whole scene brought the theater into full silence. You could tell everybody was holding their breath at that one moment. The casino and codebreaker sections could have been removed entirely. It was entirely meaningless. The fat asian is a bad actor, and the "fight with love, not with hate" line made me cringe hard. Leia should have died. Finn should have died. Ackbar should have died more gloriously. Chewbacca and R2D2 felt like they were included just for the sake of being included. Yoda appearing and zapping the tree when Luke was being a little bitch was great. Luke going from master to pupil when Yoda appeared was also great. The "training" Rey received was pitiful. I liked how Luke took on those AT ATs in a messiah like fashion. I feel like Poe was the only character that received any character development in the movie. The marvel tier jokes were awful and the only time I laughed was when I saw Leia pull a man of steel at the beginning of the movie. Cinematography was great. I like it more than the Force Awakens. |
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Turtles_Hunter said: I liked the movie overall, but those guys should learn what is doable with the force, and stop use it as a convenient plot device. The filmmakers changed what The Force could do, it's not that they simply are not aware of how it was in the earlier films. The Force isn't some real life thing with certain rules, and it has always changed in between the films. Personally I thought The Force in Last Jedi was more in tune with what I learned about it in Empire than Phantom Menace's portrayal of it. Of course you can still dislike the way The Force was portrayed. But I think saying that the filmmakers simply don't understand The Force is a little rough. There are so many other things in these recent films that they don't seem to understand about Star Wars imo. |
| Yeah, force projection doesn't sound farfetched at all, especially when you're familiar with the old EU. Also note Luke dies after, in a way the effort might have killed him, confirming Ben's advice to Rey not to exert her force sense too much. |
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| i cant agree more with the comedy feeling out of place, glad it wasnt just me. Overall i thought it was alright, it looked stunnin but the plot and movie itself didn't do that much for me. Also i felt snoke was so useless <?< |
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| I enjoyed it much more than TFA, but maybe that's just because I wasn't expecting much. Like everyone else said, the jokes were extremely corny and out of place, Rey is still a flat character, Luke going emo made no sense and there are way too many superfluous subplots. However it did have some enjoyable moments i.e the lightsaber fights and the cruiser warping through the destroyer, and characters like Poe were given plenty of development. I also appreciate that they didn't just rehash the plot of the original trilogy like TFA did. |
| The couple of things that did make me laugh a little were Leia slapping Poe upon his demotion and the scene where Rey slices that massive rock which twats the thing that the creature was pushing. Apart from that it was pointlessly unfunny Kylo Ren killing Snoke instead of Rey and them joining forces to kill all the guards was probably my favourite scene, even if it did render him a bit of an idiot for not realising what Ren was doing to his lightsaber which was a bit stupid. All this mystery about Rey's parents and it seems all they were were nobodies who binned her off for alcohol? Bit disappointed with that unless that wasn't the full truth |
| I’m glad to see so many people thought it was a disappointment. I expected more because of Rogue One. What I hated was: The structure is too similar to Episode 5. The events are different put the structure is the same Rey (Ray?) is too robotic of a character. Her personality is stale. Rose and Finn legit did nothing important during the film. Rose was the worst character too. Such a pitiful development for her. Snoke also doesn’t matter at all. He never even should’ve been implemented if they don’t explain who the hell he even was. Leia has never shown so much affinity to the force wth Comedy is worthless. Ruins the tone. The sporadicness of the events made it hard for the mood to develop properly. Every flight scene was the exact same: the nobodies get picked off while the important people survive. That plot armor is too much for me. Also the way Luke relinquished his physical self to the force doesn’t match how it works with the old cannon...if they never showed him getting up then he could’ve passed due to exhaustion...but they ruined it when he got up. Becoming one with the force doesn’t mean your physical body automatically disintegrates. Look at all the Jedi who became force-ghosts or partial force-ghosts. All of them were killed somehow. And then they used the technique that Qui-gon rediscovered |
| The worst Star Wars film since Episode 2 for me. I enjoyed watching the film, it looked great, everything was beautiful and the cinema I was in was a classy one. But I hate the film because it looked like the writers or director didn't know what the hell they're doing with decades worth of lore. Some parts of the film just don't make sense (just tell Poe the damn plan, dammit), some parts are unnecessary (casino part) and everything that was hyped up were resolved or tossed aside without much explanation. Where the hell are the Knights of Ren?!!! I still look forward to more Star Wars films but my optimism for them has severely diminished. |
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Khaosman-OSA said: I assumed that was a name for Luke's padawans that had run with Kylo, so Kylo probably bested them in a mortal sith trial or something. True it's never cleared. Where the hell are the Knights of Ren?!!!. |
EratiKDec 17, 2017 3:03 AM
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Bacardi-x-Cola said: N30-R3TR0 said: Rey (Ray?) is too robotic of a character. Her personality is stale. she's literally luke from episode 6 "father please i can save you." how hard is it to see that this film is paying tributes to 5 and 6 but also being it's own thing? I think everybody is aware of that. My point is that I can’t see her as an actual person...there’s nothing special about her personality. It’s stale. Luke was a whiny teen. Rey is just too cardboard cutout for me. It’s not the actors fault, she’s obviously great, but how her personality was scripted could’ve been done better in this movie. I thought it was fine in Episode VII, but in this one I couldn’t feel her depth. You could argue that Ray wasn’t the point of this movie like Episode 7 though, but either way, I wasn’t impressed. |
N30-R3TR0 said: Yeah I keep earing people say "Rey is so grey, just like Kylo", and I know the directing tries to mirror Kylo and Rey, but there's nothing grey about her. Qui-gon was greyer than her. My point is that I can’t see her as an actual person...there’s nothing special about her personality. It’s stale. Luke was a whiny teen. Rey is just too cardboard cutout for me. It’s not the actors fault, she’s obviously great, but how her personality was scripted could’ve been done better in this movie. I thought it was fine in Episode VII, but in this one I couldn’t feel her depth. |
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Bacardi-x-Cola said: In the old EU plenty of force users are nobodies, and often have tragic back stories, especially sith (like Bane). I understand the not being impressive thing. She's not supposed to be special, she's a regular girl with extraordinary abilities, that's why her parents are nobodies, kylo even says your not a part of this story, her regularness is what makes her interesting, she comes from nowhere but now she's a part of the biggest fight in the galaxy. If you need another story example of that just look up Daniel Bryan. |
EratiKDec 17, 2017 3:12 AM
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Bacardi-x-Cola said: Because of my anime I thought he was crying there because he remembers his dad. Guess I should rewatch that scene. In 6 months when the dvd comes out. I'm not that deep into the lore, but what im saying is that there is something between kylo and rey that pulls them together, when have we ever seen two people communicate like that, and at a certain point kylo even has drops of water in his hand from where rey was standing, there's something going on there. |
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EratiK said: N30-R3TR0 said: Yeah I keep earing people say "Rey is so grey, just like Kylo", and I know the directing tries to mirror Kylo and Rey, but there's nothing grey about her. Qui-gon was greyer than her. My point is that I can’t see her as an actual person...there’s nothing special about her personality. It’s stale. Luke was a whiny teen. Rey is just too cardboard cutout for me. It’s not the actors fault, she’s obviously great, but how her personality was scripted could’ve been done better in this movie. I thought it was fine in Episode VII, but in this one I couldn’t feel her depth. I never said anything about grey. And I think Kylo Ren is overall the best part of the new trilogy. But Rey is just so stale in this latest installment. She’s just so boring. And like I said, I liked her in Episode 7. Bacardi-x-Cola said: N30-R3TR0 said: I think everybody is aware of that. My point is that I can’t see her as an actual person...there’s nothing special about her personality. It’s stale. Luke was a whiny teen. Rey is just too cardboard cutout for me. It’s not the actors fault, she’s obviously great, but how her personality was scripted could’ve been done better in this movie. I thought it was fine in Episode VII, but in this one I couldn’t feel her depth. You could argue that Ray wasn’t the point of this movie like Episode 7 though, but either way, I wasn’t impressed. She's not supposed to be special, she's a regular girl with extraordinary abilities, that's why her parents are nobodies, kylo even says your not a part of this story, her regularness is what makes her interesting, she comes from nowhere but now she's a part of the biggest fight in the galaxy. If you need another story example of that just look up Daniel Bryan. It’s not just her regularness. Her personality just doesn’t seem human in the last movie. She was so unreal and boring to me. She felt so alive the first movie but in this one it felt like she just lost her personality. |
N30-R3TR0 said: I know you didn't, was just expanding on the fact she hasn't that much depth imo. I never said anything about grey. And I think Kylo Ren is overall the best part of the new trilogy. But Rey is just so stale in this latest installment. She’s just so boring. And like I said, I liked her in Episode 7. |
EratiKDec 17, 2017 3:23 AM
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Bacardi-x-Cola said: Rey be like "would tap those pecs"the romantic tension between them is THICK she wants to bring him into the light so hard and he wants her to rule him him HARD, but they're still at odds, there's a reason only they can communicate with each other. Luke might fear it, but they are light and dark working together, bringing a focus into the force. |
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| Some of the comedic moments felt pretty off and they're clearly still reusing a lot of old ideas, but other than that I thought the movie was pretty great. Definitely felt like Star Wars at least, that's for sure |
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| This movie blew me away. There are so many parts I love, but those aren't as fun to talk about as its flaws! Here's just a few things that stood out to me: Why do artillery shots curve in open space? SO many people die at the casino stampede, and they never address that. It felt like they were trying too hard to be edgy with two utterances of dammit and one of ass; Star Wars has never needed that. Why can Finn pilot a skimmer, or anything for that matter? Why can Rose pilot anything, either? Additionally, if she turned around while Finn kept making a beeline towards the giant cannon, how the hell did she catch up to him? And some intriguing observations that make me stroke my imaginary beard: Where Luke said "that's impossible" when confronted with the truth, Rey acknowledged it. Finn doesnt step in poo in the stable - perhaps a subtle, yet profound jab at Lucas. The whole freeing-the-animals bit presents us with a message perhaps opposite that of mutilating a tauntaun. lol @ teat milk I can't wait to go see it a third time! |
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Bacardi-x-Cola said: She was unreal because she was around Luke and wanted him to teach her, her respect for him turned into student mode 101, but at the end when she was on the falcon, she went back to normal, and how can you say she was a robot? when she touched hands with kylo and questioned luke she stroke him on the head and was ready to whoop his ass and she kinda did. All you do is have to look at her facial expressions. They didn’t look sincere except for most the more emotional scenes. I thought about it a little bit more, and I THINK my problem with her unrealness comes from the comedy...there was too much and ruined the mood, so I believe that’s why I think she just seemed so unreal and robotic. Because those comedy relief moments don’t happen in real life (mostly). |
| I watched it in 3-D and it made the CGI look even worse and cheap. But there was lots of small things like 3-CPO always supposed to have one silver leg yet in this one he has two that bug med. It was just sloppy movie making. And scenes like Leia in space just made me cringe. It's still Star Wars though |
| This thing says spoilers so I'm gonna spoil. The Force Awakens was more consistently good, but the high points of this movie put it above it for me. I enjoyed it thoroughly despite its flaws, and seemed to get better as it went on. I found the new characters, Rose and the codemaster they used to be interesting enough. Poe was also great. Rei's side of the plot with Luke Skywalker and Kylo Ren was fantastic. And the action scenes were also gripping. I was clinging on the edge of my seat at a lot of parts. Still, many flaws. - The whole casino planet. Waste of time. - Convoluted reason why the Order couldn't destroy the Resistance ship, like why couldn't they just speed up a little bit, or even send another ship in front of them! - "THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS" -Han Solo - If purple haired lady just told Poe they had a plan, half of this movie and tons of deaths would've never happened. She was the worst character. - Comedy was cringeworthy! It's Marvel-quip tier but somehow even worse. Despite that, I was able to enjoy it but I feel like Disney held it back. I can definitely see the comedy and whole "save the animals" plot as being forced by Disney, because it was always out of nowhere and the rest of the movie was so dark. Though I can't say it was all Disney to blame for the inconsistencies, I can bet that without their meddling we could've gotten a much better movie. Still enjoyed it and though not as excited for Episode 9 as I was for this, it didn't completely ruin Star Wars for me like some fans are saying. Good enough and better than TFA but not as good as original trilogy (maybe close to Star Wars 6 at best). |
(Translator's Note: "nico nico nii" means "SHINY DAYS in My Pocket")  nico nico nii. |
| Fans are always the hardest ones to please. The pacing and thematic consistency were low points. The actual events and iconic scenery were highs. So, basically like all three original movies. Cutting Finn's story all together or drastically shortening it would have been best. Spending more time on Rey's Force visions would have been nice since they are the best parts. Her dark mirror encounter was cut way too short for the mood it had in mind. It feels like the direction of the next movie will have he Force play a major role, so that should have been explored maybe a bit more. Also, the last bit on the salt planet was neat but felt tacked on due to the pacing issues. It was definitely important since it gave Luke's story thematic closure (through all movies, finished off his "hope" story like RotJ finished Vader's "fear"), but could have been done differently. Luke was awesome in the movie, btw. The comedy was very fun, but in the long run a lot of it will hurt. It wasn't complimenting any of the themes, just there for quick laughs (like MCU movies). I'm fine with that to a degree, but a lot of it was directed at the main villains going forward, which hurts any of the intimidation built up from the last film. Finally, I love the major theme of this (importance of past). Having the contrast between Rey and Kylo in both films is so neat. They both are heavily stuck in the past in TFA, then split in this. It turns Snoke into a plot device only there for thematic importance, which I can see bothering fans. But my only problem with him is aesthetics (cgi). Rey's backstory (or lack of one) complimented the theme perfect though. If only every major character arc reflected this idea. That's what makes a movie great. Oh, well. "Rich people suck xd" is nice too. Anyway, TFA is a much better made film imo. But it's weird to see people say this is prequel quality. Like.. lol. |
codyDec 17, 2017 5:49 PM
| Star Wars as made by a full iconoclast. This movie was a straight up full frontal assault on all things hardcore fans held dear but by not by making everything die, but in a much more succinct way - It downplays it, it essentially tears down the image of these legendary characters (But especially Luke) being this infallible indestructible beings who are above earthly mistakes and needs. It rejects the idea of hero worship, it rejects the idea that past defines the future and that just goes against this internal image that Star Wars die hards built upon it. It's a hard pill to swallow, but it is an effective one when you think about it. Luke is much more human here than he has arguably ever been - He is scared, he is lonely, he can't deal with the fact that one single slip for just ONE second destroyed every single thing he worked so hard to built, and he has lost all the faith he once had. But, fittingly, he finds new faith in the new - He abandons the idea that his shoulders are the only things that can carry the future like what his old masters assured him, and realizes that a new spark must always come and become what he once was. I cannot overstate how much I love Luke in this film, and I cannot overstate just how much I enjoy the themes of it and the acidic, confrontational way it was handled. That said it's still not perfect - The plot is a bit of a mess, kind of just standing on a permanent stand still and thus create pacing issues; Some things built in the last movie were given rather disappointing resolutions (Although I'm still thinking that, at the very least, the Snoke thing is a bait and switch), though not all (I actually prefer what they did Rey as it turns the twist from ESB right on its head, though it also wouldn't surprise me if it was a bait and switch), although I suppose that disappointment just plays into the game I described above...; The Finn/Rose plot that everyone complaints about... Yeah that sucked. And a few other things, but overall as a long time Star Wars fan I not only enjoyed it, I found it highly effective (This is the only Star Wars movie to have ever made me cry, I won't spoil the reason but even if you can guess what it is, I can assure it would not have worked on a different film) - I'm quite positive that given time, fan fare for the film will significantly improve once its place in the greater picture is clearer. |
Vinum_SabbathiDec 18, 2017 8:46 AM
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| While I loved the movie, am I the only one who was really annoyed at how they killed Admiral Ackbar but they pulled a Mary Poppins for Leia? |
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| I already talked about The Last Jedi in the "last movie you watched" thread so I'll just copy paste my opinion here. Star Wars: The Last Jedi As a huge Star Wars fan I'm always worried that the latest movie will be garbage (the previous movie Rogue One wasn't exactly garbage, but it was a disappointment) Thankfully though I really enjoyed The Last Jedi. When I watched the Force Awakens I thought "yeah it's a good re-introduction into the Star Wars universe but it relies too heavily on copying A New Hope. The next movie needs to do what TFA did in capturing the spirit on the original trilogy but it also needs to do it's own thing and stop leeching off nostalgia" And to be honest that is exactly what The Last Jedi delivered. Great space battles, blaster shoot outs and hand to hand fights. More adding to the lore without feeling like it breaks the rules of the universe. More development for characters (particularly Rey and Kylo). A really awesome performance from Mark Hamill. Brilliant directing and cinematography from Rian Johnson and John Williams providing the usual classic Star Wars score. My only few complaints are with. Also, story whores will probably be angry about a few plot holes or inconsistencies in logic. Personally though I didn't care. Because let's be honest this is a franchise about space samurai wizards fighting with laser swords. Let's not drag logic into this. Overall this was an awesome movie, probably one of my favorite in the whole saga - 8.5/10 |
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| Between Battlefront and The Last Jedi, I think Star Wars is over. Good thing I stopped caring about 10 years ago. |
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Nek0 said: I'll feel like that when Rebels end (there are no replacement projects as far as I'm aware). Even if it was Disney from the start, it went places CW didn't go to, and I was more emotionnally invested in it than I ever will in the new movies. Imagine a movie with Kaydan, Hera, Sabine, Zebb and Ezra. How Rose and Finn, Rey and Kylo pale in comparison all of a sudden. Between Battlefront and The Last Jedi, I think Star Wars is over. Good thing I stopped caring about 10 years ago. |
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EratiK said: Imagine a movie with Kaydan, Hera, Sabine, Zebb and Ezra. I was hoping they would've appeared in Rogue One, but I guess they'll only be animated. |
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| Terribel terrible film. I wrote a review on it. https://letterboxd.com/PoeticJustice/ |
PoeticJustice said: Terribel terrible film. I wrote a review on it. https://letterboxd.com/PoeticJustice/ Didn't think I'd be able to put my feelings on the Leia scene into words but you've done it. By far the worst part of the film for me |
| TFA was an attempt by the empire to re-boot the Star Wars New Hope concept, as... the empire. That is absurd, and TLJ is starting to play out the ramifications of that. |
Saw it yesterday and after reading all the hate it got on twitter, Rotten Tomatoes etc. (by users not by critics) I was pleasantly surprised. ( Spoilers ahead ) It was not great by all means, the humor often times felt off like alot of people already mentioned, the Finn-Rose "sidequest"did nothing but give Finn something to do (Well it did show us that a hero plan can fail and lead to some sort of disaster but the tragedy was played off way to easily...). Also did not really like Rose as a character too much, I feel she could have died in the end and I would have been fine with it. But the visuals and the action sequences looked really amazing, the soundtrack was pretty neat and the whole Kylo Ren - Rey connection thingy (especially Kylo Rens character) carried the movie for me. Oh and the thing with Snoke... yeah he got taken down too quick I think...like who was he? how did he get so powerful? My hope is that he actually let Kylo kill him on purpose to further his development, I mean he is now more than ever determined to crush the rebels and what not. But I'm also missing some sort of main goal for Kylo, like what does he want to archieve? He said to Rey to join him, to do what exactly? Rule the galaxy? He is a nicely written character tho IMO so I hope the next movie will do him justice. Overall I enjoyed the movie, it was pretty entertaining eventhough it cleary had it's flaws. (never was a die hard Star Wars fan, I'm pretty much just a casual so maybe that played a role too) MonkeyDMike said: While I loved the movie, am I the only one who was really annoyed at how they killed Admiral Ackbar but they pulled a Mary Poppins for Leia? Oh yeah that felt so wrong to me too. How dare they disrespect Ackbar like that? Like all he got was a "Yeah he dead, but hey Superman Leia survives because she a Skywalker or something". |
GreeenSpongeDec 19, 2017 9:24 AM
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| fin's subplot was worthless an felt like padding, the dialog was way to quipy and seamed like avengers dialog. not to mention flying cgi Carrie fisher, which was never set up in any other star wars film, she was force sensitive not a force user. |
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