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Dec 6, 2017 3:57 PM

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So recently I have heard these words being thrown around quite a bit, especially when people talked about Re:Zero and Inuyashiki. I personally would put Re:Zero into this category (it's a bit excessive imo). What other anime (or maybe manga) would you guys say are "torture porn?"
 
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enzai falsely accused maybe i havent watched it
 
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None, except actual torture porn (guro doujins and whatnot). It's a stupid fucking term and has no real meaning. I've seen people call Made in Abyss torture porn. It literally means nothing except
'I want to express my dislike of the show in a way that makes it sound like a terrible show that people enjoy for terrible reasons because I'm that kind of asshole who can't just not like something others like without having to do this kind of shit.'


A nice distillation of the current political discourse:
Two people, who don't really know what they're talking about condescending to each other nonsensically until one of them lands a 'sick burn'.


 
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None, except actual torture porn (guro doujins and whatnot). It's a stupid fucking term and has no real meaning. I've seen people call Made in Abyss torture porn. It literally means nothing except
'I want to express my dislike of the show in a way that makes it sound like a terrible show that people enjoy for terrible reasons because I'm that kind of asshole who can't just not like something others like without having to do this kind of shit.'


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Deadman Wonderland and Gantz and I know there's one more I'm forgetting, but I'll remember it later.
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something that shows gore for the sake of gore and audience like it and call it 'mature anime' because there is some gore. like made in abyss.
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Pullman said:
None, except actual torture porn (guro doujins and whatnot). It's a stupid fucking term and has no real meaning. I've seen people call Made in Abyss torture porn. It literally means nothing except
'I want to express my dislike of the show in a way that makes it sound like a terrible show that people enjoy for terrible reasons because I'm that kind of asshole who can't just not like something others like without having to do this kind of shit.'


I find it's not exactly uncommon to use porn as a suffix to imply something visually satisfying or gratifying to see and not having anything to do with actual porn. For example, in the anime, I often see the term scenery porn used for Makoto Shinkai works. In other mediums, you also have things like food porn and car porn. Would torture porn in anime not simply imply impressive gore/graphical content? Of course gore in itself may not appeal as much as the others things.

 
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Re:Zero literally only has 1 episode where the death was too much out of 25 episodes, if you want actual torute porn...watch "Genocyber"
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Dec 6, 2017 4:28 PM
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to be torture porn you need to make sure the big appeal of the show is gore and suffering

I personally also would say rape is heavily welcomed but it can work without it I guess.
Sex should be very common too honestly even if its not rape. You would need a few really crazy characters who act without sense be it just that they're fucked up or acting like that from past trauma to really drive it in to full throttle
Fate Zero isn't good torture porn in my opinion but Ryunosuke and Caster are good example characters

Especially Caster as he knows how to play into psychologically torture along with all the murder he commits
As for what shows Id consider torture porn Id just say a few that are my favs
so Shiki, Elfen Lied, Brynhildr in the Darkness, Akame ga Kill and Mirai Nikki
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That one scene in Elfen Lied. And Bondage Game since it's literally porn with torture in it.
 
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Season 1 of Kaiji. Torture is Kaiji's middle name.
 
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Inuyashiki is "torture porn"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA





Made in Abyss had more torture porn in 1 episode than Inuyashiki has in its entire run.
If you want the torture porn for the sake of torture porn than Rin: Daughters of Mynemosyne is a good choice. But if you want anime with torture porn that's actually idk GOOD then look no further than Now and Then, Here and There. It's got everything! Child beating, rape, murder! What else could you ask for???????
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My definition is things like Euphoria. Literally porn with torture in it.
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Mnemosyne: Mnemosyne no Musume-tachi has torture "porn" in it
 
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None, that makes the show sound as disgusting af. Don't do that. Seriously.

Unless there's actually "torture" and "porn" in it. :/




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Paul said:
Pullman said:
None, except actual torture porn (guro doujins and whatnot). It's a stupid fucking term and has no real meaning. I've seen people call Made in Abyss torture porn. It literally means nothing except
'I want to express my dislike of the show in a way that makes it sound like a terrible show that people enjoy for terrible reasons because I'm that kind of asshole who can't just not like something others like without having to do this kind of shit.'


I find it's not exactly uncommon to use porn as a suffix to imply something visually satisfying or gratifying to see and not having anything to do with actual porn. For example, in the anime, I often see the term scenery porn used for Makoto Shinkai works. In other mediums, you also have things like food porn and car porn, Would torture porn in anime not simply imply impressive gore/graphical content? Of course gore in itself may not appeal as much as the others.


Okay so let me elaborate why I don't think they are comparable at all.

The whole thing just basically means calling stuff out for being fanservice and I just find it insulting to imply people get some sort of lustful enjoyment out of torture and not just like the show because it's a great show that doesn't shy away from being gruesome if it has to. There is nothing insulting about implying that people love gorgeous backgrounds or delicious food or whatever. Those are legit fanservice things that are normal to enjoy and calling something scenery porn usually doesn't mean 'the sceneries should be less amazing looking because they look so good it makes the anime shitty'. No, it's more or less a compliment. Nobody uses torture porn to compliment a show. That's always an insult. So that's the main difference I see.

Aside from being used inaccurately to refer to shows that simply don't have any gratuitous gore (not to mention torture) in them.

Hell I'd be okay with using the terms for stuff that actually is about violence and gore fanservice like, idk, Hostel or other movies of that weird film genre. But outside of a few bizarre OVAs those don't exist in anime so I literally always see it to referred to shows people don't like and which they want to insult, while taking a stab at their fans by implying that torture gets them off and that's the only or main reason they like the show.

In many cases they don't even have any fucking torture in them, just any random non-fluffy scenes with injuries, suffering or death involved will be called torture porn if someone doesn't like the show. It's not about being gratuitous in the context of the plot or whatever, it's gratuitous to their silly personal standards in which often any and all amounts of gore are 'gratuitous' because they can't handle it when fiction isn't purely escapist and focuses only on the fluffy and nice things in life.

They don't get that people enjoy shows who don't shy back from showing the ugly things as ugly as they really are because it makes the whole experience more intense, authentic, realistic and emphasizes the positive moments more by giving them an antithesis. No, by calling it torture porn they imply that it is the torture, the gore, the suffering itself that they love, that gets them off, that they fawn over (like with scenery porn or food porn except it's not really insulting with those two).
It's not even a badly-worded criticism or description of the content most of the time, it's whining-turned-to-insults.

I don't really see it as an equivalent of gore fanservice either because gore and torture are not the same thing and definitely have different connotations and you can always call a show a gorefest or whatever if it has a lot of gore (which neither Re: Zero nor Made in Abyss do by the way, they both limit it to certain episodes when events demand it to some degree) without making it all seem like some sadistic torture scene, but that just as a sidenote. It's like calling food porn 'trash eating porn' or something like that even when it's perfectly normal food in the show. Or calling a show that has sex scenes in it 'rape porn'. It's all about making the show and the fans look bad.

e: Just look at the posts in this thread. People definitely see it as an insult rather than a decription. And people are using it for the flimsiest of reasons to refer to shows that are everything but gratuitous, like Now and Then, Here and There.
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A nice distillation of the current political discourse:
Two people, who don't really know what they're talking about condescending to each other nonsensically until one of them lands a 'sick burn'.


 
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None. Don't start catching up stupid words that don't mean anything.
 
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I like Re:Zero, but yeah. It did have a lot of torture porn.

I watched a lot of "torture porn" animes: Ousama Game, Akame Ga Kill!, Elfen Lied, and PLENTY of more.

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That particular scene is the reason why I don't want to re-watch the series.
 
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I like Re:Zero, but yeah. It did have a lot of torture porn.
hmmm I would honestly say Re Zero had very little torture porn. And if it was trying to be full on torture porn then it was awful at it in my eyes
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Thank you for reminding me of the Caster scene. T_T

I was scarred for life.

That particular scene is the reason why I don't want to re-watch the series.
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Pullman said:
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I find it's not exactly uncommon to use porn as a suffix to imply something visually satisfying or gratifying to see and not having anything to do with actual porn. For example, in the anime, I often see the term scenery porn used for Makoto Shinkai works. In other mediums, you also have things like food porn and car porn, Would torture porn in anime not simply imply impressive gore/graphical content? Of course gore in itself may not appeal as much as the others.


Okay so let me elaborate why I don't think they are comparable at all.



Quite an elaboration there.

I'm not really seeing the term as an insult. If anything, I only seen it as people just using it as an implication that the show itself is gruesome. Though that may simply be me not having seen the term used much at all.

Though while you don't see gore and torture as the same, I would say others here do see it as the same, if at least not within the same category. Several of the examples I'm seeing are just people listing shows that are heavy in gore and not so much the torture aspect. Blood C, Deadman, Gantz, Elfen Lied, etc. Of course some examples just seem silly or maybe they're talking psychological torture.

For actual hentai or porn with torture, I would not even call torture porn, it'd be BDSM and/or guro instead.
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Re:Zero is too tame to be call "Torture porn"
Rin: Daughter of Mnemosyne, or Berserk
now that's real torture porn
 
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>Tokyo Tribes 2

No wonder the poor virgin got a gladial dysfunction right straight up NUT his hymen..

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I consider mayo chika torture porn since the mc is constantly being psychologically tortured by the rich girl in that series.
 
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No wonder the poor virgin got a gladial dysfunction right straight up NUT his hymen..

Yea I've straight up seen some ungodly clips from that anime XD. Your post also just makes me go wtf lol. GOOSH GOOSH.
 
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None, except actual torture porn (guro doujins and whatnot).


I googled something today... I'm not happy with myself.
 
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impossablank said:
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None, except actual torture porn (guro doujins and whatnot).


I googled something today... I'm not happy with myself.


Feels bad man.


There is a infamous hentai series called Euphoria, just imagine the Saw movies mixed with sex and other kinky stuff
 
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I don't care about it really, and also dislike the term.

If the author put gore in his work, doesn't really matter if it's useful to the plot or just "aesthetics".

People complain about everything these days. "Oh that scene was 7 seconds too long", "Geez this blood is too red", "The camera turned 5 centimeters more than it should have"

Don't like it ? Don't watch it.
 
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Maybe actual torture porn like Midori: Shoujo Tsubaki? I dunno.
 
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I would use the term to explain what I dislike about Freezing.
 
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something that shows gore for the sake of gore and audience like it and call it 'mature anime' because there is some gore. like made in abyss.


Except Made in Abyss foreshadowed how dangerous the abyss was so if someone complained about the gore they wouldn't be paying attention to the early stages of the anime.
 
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impossablank said:
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None, except actual torture porn (guro doujins and whatnot).


I googled something today... I'm not happy with myself.
.. you can try ero guro as well.......








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something that shows gore for the sake of gore and audience like it and call it 'mature anime' because there is some gore. like made in abyss.


Except Made in Abyss foreshadowed how dangerous the abyss was so if someone complained about the gore they wouldn't be paying attention to the early stages of the anime.
so what?
lol made in abyss is a total torture porn with lolis and shota. looking forward to 2nd season where it will become far more obvious. bunch of underage nudes too in manga that get removed in the anime. 'torture porn' is the most accurate label for that series. no wonder it's so popular.
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Higurashi, I guess. Pretty basic but it is quite torture porn-y.
 
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Violence Jack is closest one imo, no one has made any actual "torture porn the anime" and shows like Re:Zero sure ain't "torture porn". If that anime isn't close to Tamakichi Anaru's films Tumbling Doll of Flesh and Women's Flesh: My Red Guts it doesn't have enough porn nor torture.

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I'm not really seeing the term as an insult. If anything, I only seen it as people just using it as an implication that the show itself is gruesome. Though that may simply be me not having seen the term used much at all.

Unless my memory fails me "torture porn" or "gorno" became a thing in 20th century when movie critics claimed horror movies like "Saw" as "nothing more but torture porn",dismissing any plot those movies had. There already existed a name for horror movies with excessive amount of blood and violence "splatter", so "torture porn" is just used occasionally and actual definition varies. Guro on the other hand has longer history in Japanese art and isn't really a genre.
 
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wtf even is that? '-----' None '_________'
 
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So recently I have heard these words being thrown around quite a bit, especially when people talked about Re:Zero and Inuyashiki. I personally would put Re:Zero into this category (it's a bit excessive imo). What other anime (or maybe manga) would you guys say are "torture porn?"

Rezero .. uh yeah i guess its the reason why i liked the past half since he finally stand up for himself.
It's a physiological so i can understand the mental breakdown.
Akame Ga kill,Elfen Lied and some similar anime are still reasonable though some doesn't make any sense and stupid.

Blood-C seems more fucked up than rezero I think.
 
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None, that makes the show sound as disgusting af. Don't do that. Seriously.

Unless there's actually "torture" and "porn" in it. :/

https://www.reddit.com/r/FoodPorn/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/

"torture porn" just means: a show with lots of suffering.
(often more than necessary, or where the show is specifically aimed at making its characters suffer)

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Except Made in Abyss foreshadowed how dangerous the abyss was so if someone complained about the gore they wouldn't be paying attention to the early stages of the anime.
so what?
lol made in abyss is a total torture porn with lolis and shota. looking forward to 2nd season where it will become far more obvious. bunch of underage nudes too in manga that get removed in the anime. 'torture porn' is the most accurate label for that series. no wonder it's so popular.


Have you ever seen an actual torture porn film or a guro manga? Made in Abyss is nowhere near those levels.
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None. I don't think any anime in particularly caters to that fetish.
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so what?
lol made in abyss is a total torture porn with lolis and shota. looking forward to 2nd season where it will become far more obvious. bunch of underage nudes too in manga that get removed in the anime. 'torture porn' is the most accurate label for that series. no wonder it's so popular.


Have you ever seen an actual torture porn film or a guro manga? Made in Abyss is nowhere near those levels.
your "but it's not as bad as others!" doesnt mean anything. doesn't change the fact abyss is full of mindless torture gore featuring naked children. not saying it's wrong to like it, a lot of people love torture porn it's perfectly fine!
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None, that makes the show sound as disgusting af. Don't do that. Seriously.

Unless there's actually "torture" and "porn" in it. :/

https://www.reddit.com/r/FoodPorn/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/

"torture porn" just means: a show with lots of suffering.
(often more than necessary, or where the show is specifically aimed at making its characters suffer)

I know, but it still sounds unpleasant.




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pgmhecateii said:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/FoodPorn/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/

"torture porn" just means: a show with lots of suffering.
(often more than necessary, or where the show is specifically aimed at making its characters suffer)

I know, but it still sounds unpleasant.

Sort of agree on it not being a pleasant term.
But "lots of suffering" was the meaning of the question of the OP, and it seems some genuinely have no idea what that term means.

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By your definition, Texhnolyze seems to fit this the best among what I've watched. Violence, factional war, deaths, suffering, and of course, heavy breathing.
 
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I can recommend a lot of violence/blood/gore, but not really anything that really qualifies as torture. As far as manga goes, there's plenty of this type: https://myanimelist.net/manga/8937/Mai-chan_no_Nichijou
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Okay so let me elaborate why I don't think they are comparable at all.



Quite an elaboration there.

I'm not really seeing the term as an insult. If anything, I only seen it as people just using it as an implication that the show itself is gruesome. Though that may simply be me not having seen the term used much at all.

Though while you don't see gore and torture as the same, I would say others here do see it as the same, if at least not within the same category. Several of the examples I'm seeing are just people listing shows that are heavy in gore and not so much the torture aspect. Blood C, Deadman, Gantz, Elfen Lied, etc. Of course some examples just seem silly or maybe they're talking psychological torture.

For actual hentai or porn with torture, I would not even call torture porn, it'd be BDSM and/or guro instead.


Just read the mindless hating/trolling from people like GangsterCat, for which the term is abused in this thread and you should understand why I see the term as a shitposting term used by haters who just want to trigger the fans by making insulting implications about the show and why people enjoy it even when it's completely absurd. To me it's fairly obvious that's the intent whenever the term is used and not just neutrally describing the contents, because the term is not a neutral term as far as I can observe. That's really all I can add at this point, the usage speaks for itself :>.


A nice distillation of the current political discourse:
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None, except actual torture porn (guro doujins and whatnot). It's a stupid fucking term and has no real meaning. I've seen people call Made in Abyss torture porn. It literally means nothing except
'I want to express my dislike of the show in a way that makes it sound like a terrible show that people enjoy for terrible reasons because I'm that kind of asshole who can't just not like something others like without having to do this kind of shit.'
I'd say the term at least carries some weight when a show is utilizing suffering and gore in a celebratory manner. It's similar to how people use the term "scenery porn" to describe how something is so beautiful, you'd think it was meant to titillate you.

Hellsing Ultimate immediately comes to mind. You'll have some dude cut in half, shitting his liver out of his dismembered ass, and you got the murderer with this chainsaw grin going "YEAAAAH DUUUUUDE I FUCKING EAT UR BALLS CUZ IM A PSYCHO xDDDD!!"

Afro Samurai definitely fits the bill too. Basically made for 14 year old boys who just finished binging the Boondocks and think seeing a guy's ballsack splatter wide open gave them a rite of passage to being a man. And then Samuel L Jackson just be like "DAAAAAAYUUUUM! WE WUZ SNAKES ON A PLANE N SHEIT?"

As for this season's Inuyashiki, it's coming off as somewhat comical in how far it pushes the boundaries. I stopped taking it seriously when it inserted some gay ass rape scene.

But yeah, in all seriousness. Shouldn't be used for every show that's graphic or dark. Tossing the term around loosely just makes me wonder what people's fetish charts look like.
 
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Have you ever seen an actual torture porn film or a guro manga? Made in Abyss is nowhere near those levels.
your "but it's not as bad as others!" doesnt mean anything. doesn't change the fact abyss is full of mindless torture gore featuring naked children. not saying it's wrong to like it, a lot of people love torture porn it's perfectly fine!


Made in Abyss isn't even full of gore. There are only two particularly disturbing scenes in the series you could argue are played for shock value.
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Pullman said:
None, except actual torture porn (guro doujins and whatnot). It's a stupid fucking term and has no real meaning. I've seen people call Made in Abyss torture porn. It literally means nothing except
'I want to express my dislike of the show in a way that makes it sound like a terrible show that people enjoy for terrible reasons because I'm that kind of asshole who can't just not like something others like without having to do this kind of shit.'


I was just about to say I never heard this expression nor I'm sure what it means. But thank you.
 
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I think that it's correct to label the movie "Hostel" as torture porn. It had next to no plot, and the literal torture was to much to take. That kind of portrayal is torture for the means of satisfying people who want to see that.
But I've also seen people label amazing revenge films like "I Saw The Devil" as torture porn too. I think that's part of the question. Does a good story with a good amount of gore and torture equal torture porn, or should I only the bad ones get that wrap?
I really love Inyuyashiki and wouldn't define it as torture porn, mainly for the reason that the deaths, even of they're gorey, add to plot and character development. I would say the same with "I Saw the Devil".
 
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If you're allowing hentai/eroge to be mentioned, then I think Euphoria is definitely the winner.

If death by electrocution, gore and corprophagia are your thing then Euphoria is for you. c:
 
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