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I agree that it was a little off base for the tone of the series. But I wouldn't call it fanservice |
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Mouloxas said: The shot where the young bandit observes Kino. Epicenter said: I never got why fans, be from the first show or this one, took keeping Kino's "secret" of being a girl alive or spoilers for so long. IT like has almost no effect or importance to me. Kino and Shizuo were quite lucky the old dude was traumatized in the past, no way they had a reaction for that sniper. Is that a motherf**king Durarara reference??? On a more serious note, it has nothing to do with IT being a secret. It is revealed once and then it literally doesn't matter, in the sense that it doesn't affect how Kino and others around her behave, their viewpoint of the world. Problem here is that the reveal is done in a distasteful way. Since Kino's gender is irrelevant, they could have done without revealing the "secret" at all. Leaving it ambiguous would have been for the best. No, just a typo. But Durarara was a great show. I sort of see what you're saying, but I think you're taking it a bit too seriously. It's just a non damaging small joke. |
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Mouloxas said: demision said: I agree that it was a little off base for the tone of the series. But I wouldn't call it fanservice In the context of Kino no Tabi, it is fanservice. Epicenter said: I sort of see what you're saying, but I think you're taking it a bit too seriously. It's just a non damaging small joke. It is a little damaging. And this "small mistake" shows the bigger problem. Namely, the fact that the production staff don't seem to know what they're doing with this adaptation. Directing, Artstyle, Character designs, Sound department for both the voice acting and the actual soundtrack, it is all around a mediocre and rather lacklustre work. This series utterly fails at pretty much everything compared to the 2003 version and it is not surprising given that none of the staff had actually worked on any noteworthy job prior to this. The only reason this still manages to pass as decentish/above average is the source material. I agree that the first anime was better, but this talk about distasteful and fanservice is a stretch. Just because there was gloss like features on her lips in that dudes mind? You make it sound like it was some cheap stunt that'll get people fapping to the scene or have the type of fans who like hentai/fanservice buy dvds, or even effected the plot for sales. If Kino was sexualized, that'd put her in loli fanservice territory and that the bane of the anime industry that makes us fans look bad, but I just don't think that's the case here. |
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Mouloxas said: Epicenter said: I agree that the first anime was better, but this talk about distasteful and fanservice is a stretch. Just because there was gloss like features on her lips in that dudes mind? You make it sound like it was some cheap stunt that'll get people fapping to the scene or have the type of fans who like hentai/fanservice buy dvds, or even effected the plot for sales. If Kino was sexualized, that'd put her in loli fanservice territory and that the bane of the anime industry that makes us fans look bad, but I just don't think that's the case here. Yeah, that is obviously not the case even if i make it sound overexaggerated. But you see, for a series like this where gender-neutrality is a prevalent theme, any shot that womanizes/clearly defines the gender of Kino is bound to be viewed negatively by the fans. So while i know for certain that their intent was to emphasize the reveal of her gender, i feel that it was an abysmal artistic decision which personally left a really bad taste in my mouth. Is gender neutrality really that "prevalent" of a theme for this series? I mean, yes they don't have Kino doing the "stereotypical female" actions, and I vaguely remember Kino preferring to be called Kino instead of "girl" and stuff, but at the same time I remember in the old anime Kino's backstory has her in a dress as a kid and this series even has the dog making mention of her being her in a mysterious fashion. If the creator wanted to keep it gender neutral, they should never have given Kino a gender, and if they had to give her a gender they should of just done so without always making slight mysterious references and making a big deal out of it. IDK about the source material, but because of the way they story is you have such strange activities. You have fans running around telling people not to call Kino a she, because it's "spoilers", even though it is sort of obvious and hinted throughout, and in neither anime is it an important plot point. Apparently, to you, Kino should be kept as gender neutral as her gender should not be paid that much attention, but assuming the Shizu and dog interactions are from the source material, it is the creator who makes a big deal of it by making it first out to be some forbidden secret, then have several hints at her gender, make people theory craft and look at the smallest details, and then confirm that she is a female. Making things secretive and dropping little clues draws attention to it. To me, Kino's gender is not really important, but I don't go around concerned about protecting the secret of her pronoun, or keep busy checking in on what honorific characters use and what not(I only saw Shizu called her by a different honorific because of this forum on MAL, like seriously who cares?.) In fact, now that I have been made to think of it in such detail, the only common complaint I'd have between this show and the original, is the gender games. |
EpicenterDec 2, 2017 8:15 PM
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Epicenter said: Mouloxas said: Yeah, that is obviously not the case even if i make it sound overexaggerated. But you see, for a series like this where gender-neutrality is a prevalent theme, any shot that womanizes/clearly defines the gender of Kino is bound to be viewed negatively by the fans. So while i know for certain that their intent was to emphasize the reveal of her gender, i feel that it was an abysmal artistic decision which personally left a really bad taste in my mouth. Is gender neutrality really that "prevalent" of a theme for this series? I mean, yes they don't have Kino doing the "stereotypical female" actions, and I vaguely remember Kino preferring to be called Kino instead of "girl" and stuff, but at the same time I remember in the old anime Kino's backstory has her in a dress as a kid and this series even has the dog making mention of her being her in a mysterious fashion. If the creator wanted to keep it gender neutral, they should never have given Kino a gender, and if they had to give her a gender they should of just done so without always making slight mysterious references and making a big deal out of it. IDK about the source material, but because of the way they story is you have such strange activities. You have fans running around telling people not to call Kino a she, because it's "spoilers", even though it is sort of obvious and hinted throughout, and in neither anime is it an important plot point. Apparently, to you, Kino should be kept as gender neutral as her gender should not be paid that much attention, but assuming the Shizu and dog interactions are from the source material, it is the creator who makes a big deal of it by making it first out to be some forbidden secret, then have several hints at her gender, make people theory craft and look at the smallest details, and then confirm that she is a female. Making things secretive and dropping little clues draws attention to it. To me, Kino's gender is not really important, but I don't go around concerned about protecting the secret of her pronoun, or keep busy checking in on what honorific characters use and what not(I only saw Shizu called her by a different honorific because of this forum on MAL, like seriously who cares?.) In fact, now that I have been made to think of it in such detail, the only common complaint I'd have between this show and the original, is the gender games. It was more of a gimmick than anything. It was revealed at the end of vol. 1 (currently there's 21 volumes), after that her gender while the narration usually use gender neutral, there are plenty of charactes (random countryfolks) who instantly recognize Kino as a girl. The reader are regularly reminded that despite how she acts Kino is in fact a girl. Then there's Gakuen Kino where Sigsawa put all these gender debates into thrash bin and burn them into ashes. |
| This show had really became a joke since episode 8 Still gonna finish it tho, too late to drop |
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| Love the Afterword ending. And I reaaally wanna know what happened in that country of memories. >_< |
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| Liked the episode overall, though I think the one episode per country format makes for more meaningful stories. Would've been nice to see the virtue point system expanded on, for example. All I see is a shot of her face, I don't think there was any "fanservice" in the traditional sense. If there was, it definitely would have been disappointing. |
Mouloxas said: Kefkiroth said: All I see is a shot of her face, I don't think there was any "fanservice" in the traditional sense. If there was, it definitely would have been disappointing. All i see is a shot of her face with clearly defined feminine features, used in a scene where it is implied that Kino would be an easy target because she's a girl travelling alone, something that goes against the gender-neutral theme of this show (and no, the older bandit saying otherwise doesn't make it better when the visual presentation is what it is) I've already explained that it's not fanservice in the traditional sense. Look, let's just say i feel strongly about Kino no Tabi. Dude, you are taking this way too seriously. All of this talk of a "gender-neutral theme" is all you projecting on to the show. |
Mouloxas said: Red_Ranger_Wien said: Dude, you are taking this way too seriously. All of this talk of a "gender-neutral theme" is all you projecting on to the show. As posted by Little_Nai and coming from Sigsawa himself: Little_Nai said: Well Sigsawa had said in an interview with ANN: Kino really doesn't think of herself too deeply when she uses pronouns. Depending on the circumstances, she may use "boku" or "atashi" depending on the situation she finds herself in. In the first story, Kino always referred to herself as "boku" because it was meant to be like a little secret. At the end of the story, it was treated as a reveal to surprise the readers, because they had probably assumed someone using "boku" was a guy. So it was more of a trick at the beginning. It's not that I wanted to write a story about a girl who lives like a boy directly, it was just an interesting way to start the story, and her character's personality has continued that way since then. Source: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2017-09-11/interview-keiichi-sigsawa/.121076 Yes, I think we're all quite aware that Kino doesn't care about her own gender. Shame, that quote doesn't really affect what you're trying to prove though. |
Mouloxas said: Red_Ranger_Wien said: Yes, I think we're all quite aware that Kino doesn't care about her own gender. Shame, that quote doesn't really affect what you're trying to prove though. How exactly does it not? The LEAST a proper work can do is reflect the main character's mindset through it's artstyle and character design. Kino not caring about gender is not the same thing as Kino being gender neutral first off. Second, even if she was that doesn't make it a theme of the show. The show is very clearly not about being gender neutral or anything like that. |
| This episode is a compact series of various countries! quite fine i guess...but no impact whatsoever. 4/5. |
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m-i-c-h-a-e-l said: a mod podge of short and underdeveloped stories: exactly how NOT to adapt an episode of Kino. fuck you, Lerche. Quoting you means I don’t have to put my own frustrations into words. |
| Ok this was a mess of an episode; everything was jarring. You just don’t cram 4-5 different stories into one single episode; you just don’t. Personally, this adaptation has been a disappointment from the get-go, but it was still watchable. This episode in the other hand was not… I also wished that the overall directing and cinematography (director of photography) for the show was better. It has been rather lackluster in general. |
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| This was a good return to form. I really liked the beginning and ending bits. About the snipers and the mind wipe town. They were simple little stories. That didn't even really go anywhere. But I found myself riveted and compelled by them. Especially the mind wipe town. The culinary town was funny. But honestly the part of the episode that grabbed me the most was the town with the virtue points. I thought the ex-President was a really compelling character. And they covered a lot of ground in his story in a short amount of time. And it posed one of the more interesting points in this new series so far. What is the point of morality. When you're being moral just to get something out of it. Especially in this clear cut world where morality actually gives you measurable points. His whole spiel about being happy, to the baby at the end, got me too. |
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| Quite the weird episode, especially that ending! Let's see what's next though. |
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| That country with Chefs though Kino is the famous traveling cook. Haha That country with the rating system was nice. Also nice is the author's afterwords. |
| when Tii's team came & they called it Kino's special i Yell'd SPOILER ALERT lol |
| Wait... wait... WAIT!! KINO IS A GIRL!! Damn I always though she was a boy, good to know, lol they probably say that but I was distracted I guess |
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| I don't care what Kino's gender is, and neither Kino do, some people take it too seriously ... |
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Jim_Heart said: I don't care what Kino's gender is, and neither Kino do, some people take it too seriously ... Haha I don't really care, but I had to say that I was surprised <3 Don't take me too seriously :D |
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| Ah, these moral dilemmas are the very reason I became so enthralled by Kino's Journey in the first place. True virtue is something that must be inculcated and maintained. It does not exist for the sake of reward, but because it is right. So when measuring one's worth by balancing good & bad deeds together on a scale, a nation like this would be the logical conclusion. The notion that virtue can be accrued like credit and spent in moderation to satiate one's own vices is truly perverted. And in the former president's case, it's the great irony that evil people must first commit themselves to great good if they want to thrive in such a society. The author's afterword was a nice touch. A simple, uplifting message that definitely bears truth to its foundation. |
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| This rinstantly reminded me of the Black Mirror episode "Nosedive" where people also rate you based on the things you do in every day life. Imagine dedicating your entire life doing good things, only to achieve that one goal of being able to kill a person. (knowing with enough points you'll be excused for it) Well that's really infuriating, being in one of the best countries ever and not remembering it at all, might aswell never been there in the first place ... memories are probably the most important aspect of humans. Without it, what are we doing it for in the first place? "The Afterword" was nice ^^ |
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| The elder has good eyes. Probably learned from hard experience with Kino's Master and her earlier apprentice years before. LOL The former president's dream is just to kill someone. Why didn't he just go to the Country Where You Can Murder Anyone...oh wait, he won't get out in there alive! ROTFLMAO I hope everyone eating her cooking are still OK. What's the use of beautiful memories if you can't remember it anyway? >_< |
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| The last city Kino visited was Vegas "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" This opens up a lot of fan fiction of the worst kind. Who knows what kind of acts she's done or done to her... |
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Lairucrem said: This show had really became a joke since episode 8 Still gonna finish it tho, too late to drop I am going the opposite way. the shorter the stories become the better I think. |
| In the last episode's thread I posted I thought there was an overabundance of non-Kino stories in this series so far; with this one I'm going to complain there's too many funny stories. Since a lot of the stories are melancholy or uncomfortable in some way a funny story is a potent counterpoint but not if they're stacked on top of each other. Mouloxas said: Since Kino's gender is irrelevant, they could have done without revealing the "secret" at all. Leaving it ambiguous would have been for the best. I disagree; I think that would cause people to wonder at the secret since there must be an answer even if it's never revealed, paradoxically increasing attention to something that isn't important. You could wonder "is this the story where the truth will be revealed?" Just giving the answer (lady looks like a dude) and then it never mattering executes the idea better. It would also make it very difficult to do any backstory to Kino's childhood although it wouldn't be such a big deal to sacrifice that I think. |
| What a boring episode. It was jumping from story to story way too much and the longest one was silly. |
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