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Dec 5, 2017 5:18 PM

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Yeah, a problem. I don't understand what you mean by just putting that word in quotations.
Well, back at you: I don't understand what about this is a problem.
Few shows use such a repressed color palette, but that's a stylistic choice. Of course it is dull; that's the whole point. The show is set in a dead, empty post-war world of concrete, metal and snow, resulting in a palette of mostly brown, gray and white. In addition, a lot of the show takes place at night or in poorly lit rooms. This isn't always the case though: apart from a couple sunset scenes (which are naturally orange but still quite monochrome), the final scenes of episodes 2 and 4 for example stand out by using noticably more vivid colors.


But about 90% of the anime is just pure darkness. Dull isn't bad, but it shouldn't be this boring, especially when there are entire episodes where everything is black.
I've seen too many background arts in anime that convey the same tone this anime tries to convey, but with far more diversity.
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Dec 5, 2017 10:49 PM

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When the giant robot suddenly showed up the first time, it scared the hell out of me.
But this episode hit me hard. Especially the creaking noise the robot made while falling. It almost sounded as if it was screaming/crying, which I think was deliberate, and it sure worked on me. Easily the best episode so far.
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FireballStarfish said:
Well, back at you: I don't understand what about this is a problem.
Few shows use such a repressed color palette, but that's a stylistic choice. Of course it is dull; that's the whole point. The show is set in a dead, empty post-war world of concrete, metal and snow, resulting in a palette of mostly brown, gray and white. In addition, a lot of the show takes place at night or in poorly lit rooms. This isn't always the case though: apart from a couple sunset scenes (which are naturally orange but still quite monochrome), the final scenes of episodes 2 and 4 for example stand out by using noticably more vivid colors.


But about 90% of the anime is just pure darkness. Dull isn't bad, but it shouldn't be this boring, especially when there are entire episodes where everything is black.
I've seen too many background arts in anime that convey the same tone this anime tries to convey, but with far more diversity.

Yeah, that's one thing that has been bothering me in this show. But I think the color palette would have still been fine, if the lighting was better and there was more old school cel animation style contrast in the visuals, to make the details in the backgrounds pop out. Everything looks too plain and washed out in this show.
When compared side by side, Technolyze looks far more interesting and engaging visually, because of the way it uses lighting, shadows, and contrast, and of course the (slightly more) varied color palette.



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Dec 6, 2017 3:09 AM
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I didn't feel like the little robot had empathy with the fish, is more like a main objective, i guess. And maybe its empathy was like interpret human speech and identify emotions, this didn't mean that it necessarily had feelings. But is a futuristic setting, so may i'm wrong.

A robot is a robot, 99,999% none of them had human empathy, what i meant was that the little robot managed to reproduce empathy in a way to make other persons (yuu and chii) care for him and his objective(fish).

The difference between the little robot and the big one was that the little one managed to have the humans on its side, while the big robot didn't manage to make its objective important for the humans (the big one didn't even take into account the presence of humans there).
So the humans ended helping the little robot, and disregarding the objective of the big one.


cuz the little one is being equipped by communication skill, he literally said it himself. so he's like tourist guide
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hikikomoriMK-II said:
I didn't feel like the little robot had empathy with the fish, is more like a main objective, i guess. And maybe its empathy was like interpret human speech and identify emotions, this didn't mean that it necessarily had feelings. But is a futuristic setting, so may i'm wrong.

A robot is a robot, 99,999% none of them had human empathy, what i meant was that the little robot managed to reproduce empathy in a way to make other persons (yuu and chii) care for him and his objective(fish).

The difference between the little robot and the big one was that the little one managed to have the humans on its side, while the big robot didn't manage to make its objective important for the humans (the big one didn't even take into account the presence of humans there).
So the humans ended helping the little robot, and disregarding the objective of the big one.


cuz the little one is being equipped by communication skill with human, he literally said it himself. so he's like tourist guide.

on the other side, it's so obvious the big one wasn't equipped by any communication skill with human.
just look at him, he's aware that yuu is on top of him. it seems like he tried to say something toyuu but sadly he couldn't say a thing. he couldn't say it out loud.
 
Dec 6, 2017 9:17 AM

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Dec 6, 2017 2:11 PM

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The design of the small automaton was cute. Impractical, but still. The sound of its steps was pleasant as well.

Who could have known that Saving Private Fish could be this evoking? The destruction of the giant automaton even managed to draw a few tears out of me. Regardless, I was happy to see that the small automaton and its protegee will live on for a bit longer.

As life is defined by its end.

Every episode so far has pleasantly surprised me in regards to how deep, philosophical issues are approached. One small bit at a time.
 
Dec 6, 2017 2:20 PM

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Amazing episode indeed, the best of the season.

Got some serious NieR: Automata vibes. Philosophical themes were very similiar.
 
Dec 7, 2017 9:14 AM

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When the giant robot suddenly showed up the first time, it scared the hell out of me.
But this episode hit me hard. Especially the creaking noise the robot made while falling. It almost sounded as if it was screaming/crying, which I think was deliberate, and it sure worked on me. Easily the best episode so far.
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But about 90% of the anime is just pure darkness. Dull isn't bad, but it shouldn't be this boring, especially when there are entire episodes where everything is black.
I've seen too many background arts in anime that convey the same tone this anime tries to convey, but with far more diversity.

Yeah, that's one thing that has been bothering me in this show. But I think the color palette would have still been fine, if the lighting was better and there was more old school cel animation style contrast in the visuals, to make the details in the backgrounds pop out. Everything looks too plain and washed out in this show.
When compared side by side, Technolyze looks far more interesting and engaging visually, because of the way it uses lighting, shadows, and contrast, and of course the (slightly more) varied color palette.




I get a cold shaded wasteland of steel vibe from the SSR artstyle, which I think is appropriate as is. Technolyse looks hot and dry.

Ah well, I'm guessing budget limits. They knew they would still score with the current quality.
 
Dec 8, 2017 7:27 AM

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TheHopefulOtaku said:

I've seen too many background arts in anime that convey the same tone this anime tries to convey, but with far more diversity.

Then, would you be kind enough to share your knowledge?
1. What, do you think, is the tone the staff are trying to convey?
2. Please give an example of "background arts in anime that convey the same tone this aime tries to convey, but with far more diversity." Please include a screenshot of such background, if possible.

Thank you.
 
Dec 8, 2017 7:46 AM

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Laughed when the machine said "Hello."

Yuu saved the fish she wanted to eat so much.

Great episode once again.

 
Dec 8, 2017 11:08 AM
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Based on Ep9 I'm a bit worried about this series. It's obviously not a slice-of-life in the way e.g. ARIA was, it apparently has a hidden agenda. Ever since FMA turned the most bizarre, sickest and evil concepts into mainstream assets for anime, one just can't stop worrying about what shock Japan delivers next time.

I feel Last Tour may be a kind of upside-down Made in Abyss, with ascend instead of descent and we all know that show wasn't OK in any moral sense.
 
Dec 8, 2017 11:12 AM

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Revvie-chan said:
TheHopefulOtaku said:

I've seen too many background arts in anime that convey the same tone this anime tries to convey, but with far more diversity.

Then, would you be kind enough to share your knowledge?
1. What, do you think, is the tone the staff are trying to convey?
2. Please give an example of "background arts in anime that convey the same tone this aime tries to convey, but with far more diversity." Please include a screenshot of such background, if possible.

Thank you.


1) Post apocalyptic, or a ruined place, or any tone that tries to convey a feeling of hopelessness.
2) Other anime's backgrounds just look more dynamic. Look at these:


A lot of the backgrounds in Girls' Last Tour look like the pic in the left: just dark, dull, colors, unlike the pic on the right which creates some contrast with blue.

Compare the image on the left with these:


The dirt-brown, a majority of it covered in darkness, with a lot of lighting in the corner.


Bleak white and gray used to convey the post-apocalyptic setting (opposed to typical black/brown), with blood red complimenting it.


The blue mixes perfectly with the black, to create an unsettling, but night-like tone.

I don't think Girls' Last Tour looks boring. It's just that after seeing Texhonlyze and Angel's Egg, I've gained higher expecations.
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Dec 9, 2017 7:25 AM

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@TheHopefulOtaku

Sorry I don't quote. I don't want to pic spam.

1. You forgot to mention old-school vibe of Shoujo Shuumatsu Ryokou. Or maybe you missed it.
2. The examples you've shown focus a lot on the unsettling part of the vibe that the directors of each respective show were conveying
Or so did you say in your post. Fairly speaking, I haven't watch the two shows you mentioned (I should get on with it, really.)
But from your examples and your explanation (and a bunch of previews and reviews of all three anime,) despite similarity in the plot, I see a clear difference of what each scene here is trying to deliver.
Shoujo Shuumatsu Ryokou art focus of how to make their exploration as dull as possible, to serve as
The 3rd pic is about despair (and darkness, and loneliness.) Fear of going alone.
The 4th pic is more about death and fear. It's post-apocalyptic yeah, but (to me) it tried to convey more about "the feeling people felt when the apocalypse happened." (thus the red blood.)
The 5th pic... wait, it's unsettling? I don't get such vibe, actually. But what I get is also loneliness. (Bcs they're using long shot.)


Now, enjoyment is a matter of perspective, so you can like or dislike as much as you want.
But imo, the reason you don't get what you expected is bcs Shoujo Shuumatsu Ryokou is trying to deliver a totally different vibe (despite similar plot and setting, maybe. I don't know I haven't watch the other two.)
Thus I feel the comparison is a bit unfair.

ps.: and actually, the genre MAL listed it under are different.
 
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1) I don't get it.
2) The only actual reason I brought up those other pics, was to show how they used more color and shading, instead of just having black backgrounds, like a majority of Girls' Last Tour has.
Whatever tone you try to convey doesn't matter, if it's boring to look at.
It's art; you can literally convey anything in an interesting way.
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Dec 9, 2017 8:59 AM

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TheHopefulOtaku said:

1) I don't get it.
2) The only actual reason I brought up those other pics, was to show how they used more color and shading, instead of just having black backgrounds, like a majority of Girls' Last Tour has.
Whatever tone you try to convey doesn't matter, if it's boring to look at.
It's art; you can literally convey anything in an interesting way.

1. The ruins they're exploring are ruins of civilization that happened thousands of years before their own civilization (that got ruined by war, according to Chito's flashback.)
It's like they're looking at a photo album of the grandparents of their grandparents. Thus the old-school vibe I was talking about.
2. Yeah I know. But my argument was it was meant to be dull. So that all those philosophical talk will look like something that just randomly come out.
I believe in what they call "a direction" of a show. Visual is important, but isn't everything.
 
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Revvie-chan said:
TheHopefulOtaku said:

1) I don't get it.
2) The only actual reason I brought up those other pics, was to show how they used more color and shading, instead of just having black backgrounds, like a majority of Girls' Last Tour has.
Whatever tone you try to convey doesn't matter, if it's boring to look at.
It's art; you can literally convey anything in an interesting way.

1. The ruins they're exploring are ruins of civilization that happened thousands of years before their own civilization (that got ruined by war, according to Chito's flashback.)
It's like they're looking at a photo album of the grandparents of their grandparents. Thus the old-school vibe I was talking about.
2. Yeah I know. But my argument was it was meant to be dull. So that all those philosophical talk will look like something that just randomly come out.
I believe in what they call "a direction" of a show. Visual is important, but isn't everything.


1) Okay. But while the tone trying to be conveyed is different to some degree, it is still post-apocalyptic looking.
2) I don't understand why you excuse how the show looks, "dull". The anime could've still easily conveyed the "old school" tone by using a mix of other colors (green, brown, blue) with use of actual shading
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Dec 9, 2017 3:03 PM
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This was a great episode!!
the quote: Life is something that has an end. gived me a chill
Please stop calling it fan service, it isn t . it was a great way explaining the story about how the girls trough of the robot.
 
Dec 14, 2017 1:01 AM
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I was bored a few eps back, so I delayed for 2 weeks...
But I totally didn't expect to recall the reasons I love this show..
This ep is very good
 
Dec 16, 2017 8:43 AM

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We can consider that she found "life" with both machines!!!


Hello, my litte boy!


 
Dec 20, 2017 6:32 AM

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Yuuki sure asks a lot of questions. "What's 'alive'? What's a life-form?" Maybe it'd be easier if Chito just taught her how to read.

"There are no living beings other than humans left on Earth." That's disappointing if true. What happened to all the animals (except for fish, who seem to still be alive)? I bet there are still other animals somewhere.

I'm really curious as to how long that machine had been there. Clearly it was developed during a time in which artificial intelligence had advanced enough to be able to imitate human behavior; unlike a lot of the A.I./chatbots of today, it made no awkward, obviously robotic errors. Sort of reminds me of the guide from Kemono Friends. It had the ability to call guards, except, y'know, none of them are still alive. If it wasn't for Chito, Yuuri would have been like "lol bet" and ate the fish.

The scene in the tank was the closest thing to "fanservice" the show has had so far, even though it's really nonsexual/barely even drawing the outline of their breasts.

"If you take a deep breath and relax, you will float." That is fake news, as someone who's almost drowned before.

It's pretty amazing that Yuuri suddenly started feeling empathy for the fish she so badly wanted to eat earlier. She managed to save it, even if the robot did sort of put a downer on things: "We're gonna die one day anyway."
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Dec 23, 2017 5:58 PM

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It was a bit sad when the giant robot died.
 
Dec 24, 2017 1:23 AM

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Good episode, surprisingly emotional robot death. Not too much more revealed about the world though.
 
Dec 27, 2017 3:15 PM

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Damn this episode was quite deep! Really amazing episode to be honest.
 
Jan 1, 2018 2:21 PM

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wow... I confess that this episode hit deep inside my kokoro.

And... this anime is being a wonderful surprise.

 
Jan 2, 2018 8:41 PM

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I knew that there is someone still alive in this world, even if they are robots. I was so happy when they saw him. Like we know that they met people already but i meant that i was always hoping that there are still people/robots alive.
Hope they will find a human colony in the end.
It was kinda sad watching that robot die and them leaving the robot and the fish.
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Jan 4, 2018 8:25 AM

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That those robots reminds me of the ones in Star Wars.

Quite a philosophical episode. I feel bad about the big one.
 
Jan 13, 2018 10:30 PM

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Getting Nier Automata flashbacks from the existential cutsie robots and the soundtrack
 
Jan 14, 2018 11:32 AM

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Aaaahh that episode was so good. I started crying :v
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Jan 15, 2018 1:24 PM

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Glad that big robot didn't have a say in their plan...
 
Feb 19, 2018 4:54 PM

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Oh come on, now I'm all sad because of this episode :( The poor big robot did nothing wrong, just doing its job like the small robot :/ Though I guess it's okay to kill a "non-living" thing, to save the life of an animal, even if it is futile in the long run...
 
Feb 27, 2018 8:58 AM

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Wow! I think that here the climax has been reached regarding the profundity of philosophical thought hitherto exhibited in history. The narration is always rather melancholy, despite the many flashes of comedy.

The ineluctability of the life that is such where the end is.
 
Feb 27, 2018 9:13 PM
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This episode hit me hard.

empathy is a topic i didn't expect to be discussed in this anime, but they handled it so wonderfully. the fact there was no OP or ED really helps keep the tone, and i would be lying if i said i didn't tear up when i saw the big robot die. poor guy didn't deserve that...he was just doing his job.

also, ive noticed people saying the swimming scene was fanservice. i mean i didn't really see it that way, it was mostly just two girls having fun in a pool tbh.
 
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Some really deep stuff here, and I'm not talking about the tanks!
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Mar 3, 2018 2:14 AM
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I'm surprised that the one scene that made me cry in this series was the giant robot exploding, I guess it's because of the small one and Chito talking about what is alive and what isn't. I'm glad the fish was okay, though. I love how each episode always ends on a philosophical note. The end impressed me but I don't think it left as big of an impression as the sound of rain scene did.

May just be me, but I don't think the pool scene was fanservice. It was still relevant to the plot.

5/5 episode.
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May 6, 2018 10:45 PM

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This bit just looks like something out of a game


A simple question has such complex meaning. And yet, Yuu provided a simple answer with a meaning that's equally complex.
Great episode as always!

 
May 8, 2018 8:39 PM
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W-Why the fuck is a fish making me cry...
 
May 20, 2018 8:16 PM

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Anyone know what track the song in the credits is for this episode

<--me rn


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Sep 26, 2018 2:19 AM

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RIP big robot ;_;

You were just doing your job
 
Nov 16, 2018 1:36 AM

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Girls' Last Tour started off somewhat reminiscent of Kino's Journey, but ultimately departed into its own adventure. This episode, however, really matches that initial spirit of the philosophical journey that I know & love. What I find particularly fascinating about Chi & Yuu is how because they have been so far removed from human civilization, their lack of common knowledge on various themes & ideas brings them to unorthodox conclusions. It's precisely what makes their perspectives so unique & fascinating to follow.
 
May 9, 2019 7:58 AM

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I've been really enjoying this series. Super chill though oddly quite tense at times too. The world is fascinating and the characters both likable (though Yuu can be alittle annoying at times).

I have to say this episode might be one of the best episodes of Anime I've ever seen. Really though provoking, tragic and beautiful all at once. Definitely the stand out episode of the series so far for me.
 
Jun 27, 2019 6:04 AM

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Looking at a fish without fins is really weird

Poor big guy :(

In a way I'm kinda scared that humanity will end up the same as this anime
Evolved too much and they break, will be destroyed and no reconstruction
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Wonderful episode.
 
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Phew, didn't expect the episode to be this touching and powerful

I got huge NieR:Automata vibes throughout the entire episode, the OST at the end helped too (it was beautiful btw)
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