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Nov 30, 2017 5:55 AM

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Sabers main reason she never died was because she can see the future which makes it a unfair fight take away that unfair advantage and lancer would have killed her with his first gae bolg he used and assassin with his tsubame gaeshi. For assassin we see that she sees in the futute she dies from that blow but manages to excape it due to her seeing the future. Other servants that can kill saber are probably gilgamesh fighting seriously and berserker with his many lives. Who else agrees? Probably nobody but worth asking lol.
 
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Jan 14, 2018 1:52 AM

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ChaosIncarnate said:
Sabers main reason she never died was because she can see the future which makes it a unfair fight take away that unfair advantage and lancer would have killed her with his first gae bolg he used and assassin with his tsubame gaeshi. For assassin we see that she sees in the futute she dies from that blow but manages to excape it due to her seeing the future. Other servants that can kill saber are probably gilgamesh fighting seriously and berserker with his many lives. Who else agrees? Probably nobody but worth asking lol.


Saber cannot "see into the future".

If you check her servant state sheet, you can see that she has no precognitive powers.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=fsn+saber+stat+sheet&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-pJbZlNfYAhVJ9mMKHTdvAwkQ_AUIESgB&biw=800&bih=1280#imgrc=IXv6AOPZN-QORM:

She has 'instinct' but that is not actual precognition.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=fsn+saber+stat+sheet&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-pJbZlNfYAhVJ9mMKHTdvAwkQ_AUIESgB&biw=800&bih=1280#imgrc=orf8_9lnrAMqLM:

She survived Lancers Gae Bolg because of her luck stat which allowed her to somewhat dodge it and turn it from an instakill fatal wound to a simple shoulder wound.

Assassin was only able to fight her due to his masterful swordsmanship. His stats compared to Sabers are lacking. https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/134077/5405562-assassin1info.png

I'll give ya Gil and Berserker though.


1) Accelerator>>>speedblitz
2) speedblitz/decapitation
3) speed kills
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Almost forgot.
Servants that can beat Saber:

Lancer Karna http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Lancer_of_Red

Lancer Enkidu http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/False_Lancer

Saber Altera http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Saber_(Fate/Grand_Order_-_Altera)


1) Accelerator>>>speedblitz
2) speedblitz/decapitation
3) speed kills
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Feb 26, 2018 9:18 PM

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zer0light said:
I'll give ya Gil and Berserker though.

I'm not sure they can beat saber if she has avalon and rin as master.
 
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no one can kill saber except illya
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kikiabdull said:
zer0light said:
I'll give ya Gil and Berserker though.

I'm not sure they can beat saber if she has avalon and rin as master.
They definitely can.
 
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kikiabdull said:
zer0light said:
I'll give ya Gil and Berserker though.

I'm not sure they can beat saber if she has avalon and rin as master.
Saber would have to kill Herc 9 times in 9 different ways, good luck with that. Gilgamesh can just fight from a distance and simply out last her or use his EX ranked Clairvoyance and make all the right moves to win.
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I think that even Archer can do it as we've seen in HF route where Shirou killed berserker in just 3 sec by using his arm so it's possible for Archer to do it too.
 
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Congintive said:
I think that even Archer can do it as we've seen in HF route where Shirou killed berserker in just 3 sec by using his arm so it's possible for Archer to do it too.
No not really. The Herc in HF doesn't have Godhand, only 12 labors.
 
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Botato said:
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I think that even Archer can do it as we've seen in HF route where Shirou killed berserker in just 3 sec by using his arm so it's possible for Archer to do it too.
No not really. The Herc in HF doesn't have Godhand, only 12 labors.


But again if he can copy Excalibur than it's not impossible for him to defeat her.
 
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Congintive said:
Botato said:
No not really. The Herc in HF doesn't have Godhand, only 12 labors.


But again if he can copy Excalibur than it's not impossible for him to defeat her.
He can't copy Excalibur.
 
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Botato said:
Congintive said:


But again if he can copy Excalibur than it's not impossible for him to defeat her.
He can't copy Excalibur.


Remember the scene from UBW when he fought with Shirou in reality marble when he was going to but was stopped by him also aside from Ea he can replicate any weapon.
 
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Congintive said:
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He can't copy Excalibur.


Remember the scene from UBW when he fought with Shirou in reality marble when he was going to but was stopped by him also aside from Ea he can replicate any weapon.
No. He can't replicate Divine Constructs.

Excalibur is a Divine Construct. He was just bluffing in UBW, while he can make something very similar to Excalibur he can't actually copy it like he could other weapons.
 
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Botato said:
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Remember the scene from UBW when he fought with Shirou in reality marble when he was going to but was stopped by him also aside from Ea he can replicate any weapon.
No. He can't replicate Divine Constructs.

Excalibur is a Divine Construct. He was just bluffing in UBW, while he can make something very similar to Excalibur he can't actually copy it like he could other weapons.


But didn't Shirpu replicate Avalon in original fate.
 
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Congintive said:
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No. He can't replicate Divine Constructs.

Excalibur is a Divine Construct. He was just bluffing in UBW, while he can make something very similar to Excalibur he can't actually copy it like he could other weapons.


But didn't Shirpu replicate Avalon in original fate.
Because it was stuck inside his body for a decade. Avalon is the exception, not the norm.
 
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Botato said:
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But didn't Shirpu replicate Avalon in original fate.
Because it was stuck inside his body for a decade. Avalon is the exception, not the norm.


But as far as i can think if he can kill Bersker even if what u say is true then it's not far from impossible for him to defeat her.
 
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Congintive said:
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Because it was stuck inside his body for a decade. Avalon is the exception, not the norm.


But as far as i can think if he can kill Bersker even if what u say is true then it's not far from impossible for him to defeat her.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I initially replied to you to point out that Herc in HF was nerfed due to the corruption/whatever. So using that battle as a reference doesn't work. Not only was his NP nerfed, he was even less sane than he used to be (I realize how silly this sounds because he is a Berserker with high mad enhancement, but anyway).

Tl;dr Archer can't kill Herc under normal circumstances, as we've seen in Fate route.
 
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Botato said:
Congintive said:


But as far as i can think if he can kill Bersker even if what u say is true then it's not far from impossible for him to defeat her.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I initially replied to you to point out that Herc in HF was nerfed due to the corruption/whatever. So using that battle as a reference doesn't work. Not only was his NP nerfed, he was even less sane than he used to be (I realize how silly this sounds because he is a Berserker with high mad enhancement, but anyway).

Tl;dr Archer can't kill Herc under normal circumstances, as we've seen in Fate route.


Well, Archer was able to kill Berserker 6 or 7 times in the original fate without even using UBW and I believe that as long as he has enough mana he can at least match either berserker or saber since im no expert in it so i don't know that much.
 
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Congintive said:
Botato said:
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I initially replied to you to point out that Herc in HF was nerfed due to the corruption/whatever. So using that battle as a reference doesn't work. Not only was his NP nerfed, he was even less sane than he used to be (I realize how silly this sounds because he is a Berserker with high mad enhancement, but anyway).

Tl;dr Archer can't kill Herc under normal circumstances, as we've seen in Fate route.


Well, Archer was able to kill Berserker 6 or 7 times in the original fate without even using UBW and I believe that as long as he has enough mana he can at least match either berserker or saber since im no expert in it so i don't know that much.
It was 6 times and we don't know if he used it or not.
 
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Botato said:
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Well, Archer was able to kill Berserker 6 or 7 times in the original fate without even using UBW and I believe that as long as he has enough mana he can at least match either berserker or saber since im no expert in it so i don't know that much.
It was 6 times and we don't know if he used it or not.


In the anime he used it but i don't think they have shown something like him using it in the VN.
 
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Sure Archer can beat Herc 12 times and Saber. Not all the time tho. 1 out of 10 he would kill Herc(all 12 times) and probably 3 maybe 4 times out of 10 he would kill Saber.

Having more mana than he usual has isnt an argument.Nearly every Servant can beat everyone else if they have enough mana.
 
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