| https://www.inquisitr.com/4643241/church-of-sweden-proclaims-god-gender-neutral/ So the church of the second most meme-tier country in the world has declared that God is now gender neutral, meaning the daily prayer will have to change from "The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit", to.... something else I guess (God, God and the Holy Spirit?) This raises many questions from the magnificent country on the other side of the Sund. Will the same go for other religions? Will they remove the beard from depictions of God? Will they ever be able to produce something so hilariously politically correct that they can top this? Questions abound. What is MAL's thoughts on all this? (inb4 Swedistan jokes) (to be exact, nothing has yet been banned, it is just urged that priests belonging to Swedens Lutheran church will stop referring to God as "he" and the "lord", and it will be changed in future translations of the Bible. It's still funny though.) |
FijureNov 25, 2017 2:09 AM
| Well, to me God have always been genderless. |
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| They should have gone all out and defined god's genre as an attack apache helicopter. I mean he nuked quite a few things in the book as punishment anyway, plus he can definitely fly and stay stationary while doing so. |
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| As retarded as this sounds....it’s probably not more retarded than assigning a being this title of “god” when there is absolutely no evidence of such a thing...and then said being breaks every single law we KNOW the observable universe to operate under. |
| god is an "it" lol but that means no more sexy goddesses though |
| The fact god had a gender to begin with never made sense to me, since it's (he's) like the only one of its kind and can make stuff and lifeforms appear out of nowhere, why would it need to have a gender? But making this change now and under the reasoning of gender equality is just stupid, as is the norm with anything that comes from Sweden (so ashamed of living there...) To be fair, this ranks pretty low on my Sweden stupidity scale. |
| When i first read "Sweden" i knew this will be interesting. |
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| Ah my great country being genius again |
| I feel sorry for my neighbours. |
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Swagernator said: When i first read "Sweden" i knew this will be interesting. Why the quotes? razor39999 said: Why isn't this a thing in Abrahamic religions in general? Most polytheistic religions had deities of both sexes and some that were changelings and fit any role they wanted. And while I'm not very knowledgeable about Hinduism, I do think their highest concept (Brahman) is a genderless, reality making "god". Having something as specific as gender or particular human personality traits for such a high concept being has always irked me about Christianity. Any truly omnipotent and omnipresent being should have "everything" as its primary descriptor, not these very specific, culture centric concepts. The Christian God already was genderless, he's simply referred to as a he because of language/traditional reasons and because he presented himself to us as a being with masculine traits. In the bible that's just how he's revealed to us, in actuality he is a being that transcends humanity and consequently gender/sex. It's just personification really, a simple literary technique. Anyone that makes a big deal out of this announcement (lefties r killing swedanzz) probably didn't know much about Christian theology to begin with. God has traditionally been described using masculine terms in Christian scripture and theology. While this has sometimes given rise to the idea that Christians consider God to be male,[citation needed] the majority of Christian denominations (with the notable exception of Mormonism) accept a God who transcends gender. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_God_in_Christianity |
NudeBearNov 25, 2017 3:27 AM
NudeBear said: Why the quotes? Becuase i dont englis veri god. Well, i don't know i just feel like "" is needed when you are mentioning something. |
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| It's interesting, because I've always criticized the tendency of Christians to talk about God as a "he". God is not actually a "he" in most Christian theology (only in the words), but casual Christians usually don't understand much about the theology of their own denomination - at least in my experience. Why there is this discrepancy in the first place isn't obvious - for certainly it seems well integrated in the theological terminology itself - but there are plenty of rationalizations of the same kind you'll find among esotericists of various kinds ("male energy, blabla"). It's easy to assume that the Church of Sweden does this kind of thing out of political correctness - I don't know. Personally, my issue with calling God "he" has zero to do with politics or feminism and everything to do with not confusing the divine with the human - which Christians already do in a way with Jesus being seen as one of God's "persons". For those interested: the tradition of referring to the transcendent god in Christianity as male is not a surprise (although it is at odds with the spiritual teachings) when we consider that Christianity sprung out of Judaism. Judaism had Yahweh who, in a time before Judaism as we know it, had a consort - or mother - Asherah, a female deity (clear evidence of the divine not being truly transcendent in that iron age cult). A move towards monotheism might have been inspired by the Atenism of Egypt or Zoroastrianism of Persia, which then transformed (culturally) Yahweh into a being beyond male/female, but much of the iron age paganism in proto-judaism was retained. |
AburadakoNov 25, 2017 3:42 AM
Swagernator said: NudeBear said: Why the quotes? Becuase i dont englis veri god. Well, i don't know i just feel like "" is needed when you are mentioning something. I do that too quite often. |
| I wonder how many Christians outside Sweden actually give a shit. I'm not religious myself, but if I had to imagine some godly creator on top on the clouds I'd rather have them be a Santa-like jolly dude than some menopausal womyn. But maybe my imagination is just sexist. |
razor39999 said: NudeBear said: I blame my local priest then, he never bothered to go into any specifics such as this, all of us kids just assumed God was a he. That guy is one of the reasons why I dislike Christianity so much. He literally thought us antisemitism and homophobia at the age of 10, without anyone bathing an eye. And he's still the religion studies teacher in all of the local primary and high schools even today.Why the quotes? The Christian God already was genderless, he's simply referred to as a he because of language/traditional reasons ( lots to do with patriarchal) and because he presented himself to us as being with masculine traits. In the bible that's just how he's revealed to us, in actuality he is a being that transcends humanity and consequently gender. Anyone that makes a big deal out of this Sweden announcement (lefties r killing swedanzz) probably didn't know much about Christian theology to begin with. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_God_in_Christianity It's weird because in the original texts grammatical "genderfication" (yeah I just made that word up) for God/holy trinity varies between male and female, even when personifying it varies between masculine and feminine traits. So even if the various translations favor male over female, it was always quite ambiguous. So it's weird to see priests and Christians actually thinking their God is a male, but eh "let's pick different confusing interpretations to confuse others" is basically religion in a nutshell. |
NudeBear said: razor39999 said: I blame my local priest then, he never bothered to go into any specifics such as this, all of us kids just assumed God was a he. That guy is one of the reasons why I dislike Christianity so much. He literally thought us antisemitism and homophobia at the age of 10, without anyone bathing an eye. And he's still the religion studies teacher in all of the local primary and high schools even today. It's weird because in the original texts grammatical "genderfication" (yeah I just made that word up) for God/holy trinity varies between male and female, even when personifying it varies between masculine and feminine traits. So even if the various translations favor male over female, it was always quite ambiguous. So it's weird to see priests and Christians actually thinking their God is a male, but eh "let's pick different confusing interpretations to confuse others" is basically religion in a nutshell. I don't think the debate actually concerns Gods actual gender though, rather how he is referred to. The people in Sweden opposed to this because it will require changing the prayer which has been a staple of Swedish Christianity since the Middle Ages, which refers to the Holy Trinity as "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit". Also this smells like changing theological traditions based upon temporary ideologies from a vast distance, something traditional Christians would be opposed to. |
razor39999 said: NudeBear said: The translations I read always had "He", "Lord" and other masculine words so that didn't really help. I suppose it was to be understood as a general nongendered he then. That Wikipedia article about the Hebrew language distinctions really put this in perspective for me.It's weird because in the original texts grammatical "genderfication" (yeah I just made that word up) for God/holy trinity varies between male and female, even when personifying it varies between masculine and feminine traits. So even if the various translations favor male over female, it was always quite ambiguous. So it's weird to see priests and Christians actually thinking their God is a male, but eh "let's pick different confusing interpretations to confuse others" is basically religion in a nutshell. Ah right Lost in Translations, that makes sense. Tbh I don't know why a Christian would want a male God; wouldn't an explicit biological sex make god a biological organism, a product of evolution, because biological traits like sex are heriditary? hahaha don't kill me :X Fijure said: NudeBear said: It's weird because in the original texts grammatical "genderfication" (yeah I just made that word up) for God/holy trinity varies between male and female, even when personifying it varies between masculine and feminine traits. So even if the various translations favor male over female, it was always quite ambiguous. So it's weird to see priests and Christians actually thinking their God is a male, but eh "let's pick different confusing interpretations to confuse others" is basically religion in a nutshell. I don't think the debate actually concerns Gods actual gender though, rather how he is referred to. The people in Sweden opposed to this because it will require changing the prayer which has been a staple of Swedish Christianity since the Middle Ages, which refers to the Holy Trinity as "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit". Also this smells like changing theological traditions based upon temporary ideologies from a vast distance, something traditional Christians would be opposed to. Should have read more clearly, that makes more sense. Oh well, carry on, can't pretend to care. |
NudeBearNov 25, 2017 3:58 AM
NudeBear said: razor39999 said: The translations I read always had "He", "Lord" and other masculine words so that didn't really help. I suppose it was to be understood as a general nongendered he then. That Wikipedia article about the Hebrew language distinctions really put this in perspective for me. Ah right Lost in Translations, that makes sense. Tbh I don't know why a Christian would want a male God; wouldn't an explicit biological sex make god a biological organism, a product of evolution, because biological traits like sex are heriditary? hahaha Hehe, I completely agree. Also, it opens up for all sorts of questions with absurd implications, like "does he have organs?" |
Fijure said: No, I would imagine it to be something like "Parent, Child and the Holy Spirit").So the church of the second most meme-tier country in the world has declared that God is now gender neutral, meaning the daily prayer will have to change from "The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit", to.... something else I guess (God, God and the Holy Spirit?) A neuter Gender already exists for Jesus: Christkind but it's usually done by a Girl/Woman. |
| Someone has finally realized that I'm actually a non-binary, thank you Sweden. But that's Christianity and I don't think it's going to fix how misogynistic and homophobic the bible is, humanity needs a new religion and a better God/s instead of trying to hide the flaws of their old one. |
| Yeah, and that's why Sweden doesn't exist anymore. |
| Sweden never fails to amaze us. |
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| Just some food for thought, before you indiscriminately take everything you read online as truth. "We want variation when it comes to how you express yourself, just like in the Bible." Some of the updated language includes three alternatives for the words to use at the start of worship services, including one which is gender-neutral: "In the name of the Father and Son, and the Holy Spirit," "In the name of God, the Father and Son, and the Holy Spirit", and "In the name of the triune God". The Church Assembly also agreed to use the female grammatical gender for the Holy Spirit, as it the case in Hebrew as well as in the 2000 Swedish Bible translation ('den heliga anden' as opposed to 'den helige ande'). "Everyone who wants to call God 'Lord' can remain calm. It is still there in many places in the new handbook. We have replaced 'he' with 'God' in one place, that's all," Pedersen Videke told The Local. She said she had been fielding calls from journalists all day, and the Swedish Church also replied to several comments on its social media accounts, emphasizing that the change is not all-encompassing. *GASP* |
MoogNov 25, 2017 8:47 AM
| I dunno since I've not seen God fap or finger, so you stand probably on point OP. |
| While some deities are gender neutral, God is not one of those deities. |
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| And why does Swedemalia worship a Hebrew and his equally-Hebrew son-on-a-stick? The norse gods had clearly defined genders, unless of course you get your knowledge of Norse mythology from Marvel comics. |
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Lost_Viking said: And why does Swedemalia worship a Hebrew and his equally-Hebrew son-on-a-stick? The norse gods had clearly defined genders, unless of course you get your knowledge of Norse mythology from Marvel comics. We all know Thor was really a transgendered pansexual closet lesbian, check your privilege you bigot. |
| Forgot to mention it, but the whole "Sky Father" Thing is an Indo-Germanic/Indo-European Concept: *DyαΈus Ph2tαΈr also had Equivalents in other Cultures all around the World, so it's not an Invention of Christianity, but rather of the pre-dating Civilizations whose Traditions and Customs have been incorporated in their Religion. "Holy Trinity" or "Heilige Dreifaltigkeit" are perfectly traditional Expressions, though. Oh and the News about the Swedish Newspeak seemed to have been bloated up a bit as well. I still wonder what happened to the Swedish Head Teacher that was reported for refusing to use the gender-neutral Pronoun "hen": https://www.thelocal.se/20160402/swedish-school-head-reported-for edit: Lost_Viking said: Better than Neo-Norse People, who worship the wrong Nordic God. Týr was originally the Main God in Germanic Mythology. And why does Swedemalia worship a Hebrew and his equally-Hebrew son-on-a-stick? The norse gods had clearly defined genders, unless of course you get your knowledge of Norse mythology from Marvel comics. |
NoboruNov 25, 2017 8:48 AM
| Wait, people still think Sweden is relevant? I'm still waiting for 'It's a prank bro' though. |
| I mean if you have enough power to create a universe changing gender sex age etc would be easy |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| That's bullshit everyone knows god's a tranny. |
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| This is what happens when political correctness has free reign. When will people in the west finally get sick of political correctness. |
RuneRemNov 25, 2017 1:40 PM
Nyu said: This is what happens when political correctness has free reign. so.... what your tellin me is you think god has a dick? |
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-Kaiser- said: well I wouldn't say god had any solid form at all considering most stories in the bible have god appearing in many forms are you saying gods not powerful enough to change sex and appearances at will?Nyu said: This is what happens when political correctness has free reign. so.... what your tellin me is you think god has a dick? |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
narutobirama said: Nyu said: This is what happens when political correctness has free reign. Meh, they decided to make the translation more accurate. That is better than people getting the wrong idea because of the misleading use of the language. If they wanted to make the translation less accurate, I would not approve of it. Its not more accurate, God has been referred to as a man for thousands of years. |
| You know the Christian church in Sweden isn't going to adhere to this, right? Here come more religious arrests and persecution and of course, the bigots saying it's not persecution... Everything Jesus said would happen is happening. |
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| Switzerland leading the world to a better direction, I wish to petition that Mary was actually a transgender man and the animals in the Ark were all non-binary. US government, get on it. |
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narutobirama said: Nyu said: This is what happens when political correctness has free reign. Meh, they decided to make the translation more accurate. That is better than people getting the wrong idea because of the misleading use of the language. If they wanted to make the translation less accurate, I would not approve of it. Yes, of course! The translation is the problem. I mean it's not like the entire bible is filled with sexism, no, of course not. “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12) “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22) I'm pretty sure that Adolf Hitler was a good man as well. He probably said something like "Pass the Jews." but there was this bunch of incompetent translators who misheard him. Nyu said: This is what happens when political correctness has free reign. Nyu said: When will people in the West finally get sick of political correctness. I'm pretty sure there is a rule that says: "Double posting is frowned upon. Please edit your first post unless a second post is absolutely necessary." and yet you keep flooding every single thread with those "absolutely necessary" posts. |
149597871Nov 25, 2017 12:51 PM
| pretty sure God has always been God. Thou is that thou is. fixed? |
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| why would God, an entity that rules over all, be labeled by a classification created by mere humans insulting if you ask me |
149597871 said: narutobirama said: Meh, they decided to make the translation more accurate. That is better than people getting the wrong idea because of the misleading use of the language. If they wanted to make the translation less accurate, I would not approve of it. Yes, of course! The translation is the problem. I mean it's not like the entire bible is filled with sexism, no, of course not. “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12) “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22) I'm pretty sure that Adolf Hitler was a good man as well. He probably said something like "Pass the Jews." but there was this bunch of incompetent translators who misheard him. Nyu said: This is what happens when political correctness has free reign. Nyu said: When will people in the West finally get sick of political correctness. I'm pretty sure there is a rule that says: "Double posting is frowned upon. Please edit your first post unless a second post is absolutely necessary." and yet you keep flooding every single thread with those "absolutely necessary" posts. Isn't double posting, posting after you have just posted. There is tonnes of other people's posts between my posts. |
| What kind of sad excuse for a god would have a gender in the first place, lol? |
JoshNov 25, 2017 1:31 PM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| If you knew anything you would know in Christianity God always was gender neutral. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_God_in_Christianity |
traed said: If you knew anything you would know in Christianity God always was gender neutral. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_God_in_Christianity Can you stop posting propaganda, if you knew anything about Christianity, you would know Christians have referred to god as a man for thousands of years. |
| Don't know about all the gendered languages, but the word God in french (Dieu) and arabic (Allah) has always been masculine. Also, it makes no sense that God is "gender neutral" when he is refer to as the Father(masculine word), the Holy Spirit(masculine in French and Arabic) and The Son (literally a man) |
Nyu said: The Bible specifically says that man was made in the image of God. It also says that the first woman (Eve) was made from the rib of Adam. So technically, it's more that man more accurately reflects God's true nature, not that he is male.traed said: If you knew anything you would know in Christianity God always was gender neutral. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_God_in_Christianity Can you stop posting propaganda, if you knew anything about Christianity, you would know Christians have referred to god as a man for thousands of years. |
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Nyu said: traed said: If you knew anything you would know in Christianity God always was gender neutral. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_God_in_Christianity Can you stop posting propaganda, if you knew anything about Christianity, you would know Christians have referred to god as a man for thousands of years. If you knew anything about English you would know he/him/his is used as a gender neutral. |
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