but I fail to see why most of the reviews on mal are constantly below 5 Ever thought about maybe, I dunno, reading those reviews? I'm pretty sure they explain why they rated it so low. |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
| Well, putting aside that people will come to tell you "It's not like Zero" Fate/Apocrypha has a lot of cons, of course they're not enough to 'hate' the show but to have a low view of it, specially when the big character management comes. I'm not a novel reader but it's clear that he doesn't know how to introduce well each character so you don't forget about them or are not seen to be irrelevant like they were not even relevant to the plot. The other part is about animation, and no I'm not considering Ufo with this, A-1 has done better and Apocrypha is IN MY POINT OF VIEW, very very underwhelming on that aspect. Sound is also terrible and I just can't accept they already have 20 episodes and still don't get that the "explosion" sound with a horrible screech is nowhere nice. Makes me wonder if they check their work before releasing it? Besides that, I've heard that they're not adapting everything 100/100 so as an adaption is also not doing a good job. But, to the real point. People are hating for the fact that is not like Fate/Zero and they don't like the designs of the servants ex: Astolfo, Jack The Ripper, Mordred genderbend???.. And also because they don't like how is Sieg write, most of people hate 'generic MC' with 'generic romance' so this is why Apocrypha is hated. I don't hate it at all. I would give a 8 if the ending is actually good. But right now for me it's a solid 6 or 7 maybe. Since I'm also enjoying it because the master-servant relationships and the fact that I wanted to see other servants besides FSN ones. |
| Because it's not as good as Fate/Zero, which is objectively approved by community as the best and only worth Fate thing, also besides battle shounen Mordred there is nothing worthy of praise in F/Apo, not to mention lolissasin. This. |
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| Any fate sequel that isn't made by Type-moon is basically garbage. |
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S-quare22 said: Any fate sequel that isn't made by Type-moon is basically garbage. Good, because Fate/Apocrypha is not a sequel. |
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Swagernator said: S-quare22 said: Any fate sequel that isn't made by Type-moon is basically garbage. Good, because Fate/Apocrypha is not a sequel. Yeah. I wanted to say side story or something like that. Who cares ? |
"elles sont bien noires les pensées des nuits blanches" |
S-quare22 said: Who cares ? People who don't like to see other people ranting, franchise they are not into. |
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Swagernator said: S-quare22 said: Who cares ? People who don't like to see other people ranting, franchise they are not into. If you think that I'm not a fate fangirl then I have some bad news for you :> |
"elles sont bien noires les pensées des nuits blanches" |
| Oh boy this thread is going to be good laugh again. |
| Ok you know what ? fuck it. The Fate series is good... Anything good can go downhill from time to time.. just wait for the fate/extra that will air next year.. the fate series will take back its stolen glory again. |
"elles sont bien noires les pensées des nuits blanches" |
| Why people don't like it: -It's not like Fate/Zero -Sieg is the main character -Those explosion sounds -Animation isn't that good, even when you don't compare it to Ufotable -loli the Ripper -Astolfo trap Why I don't like it: -Sieg is the main character -Those explosion sounds -Assassin of Red is a Caster -"Caster" of Red gets on my nerves I still rated it 6. |
S-quare22 said: The Fate series is good... Anything good can go downhill from time to time.. just wait for the fate/extra that will air next year.. the fate series will take back its stolen glory again. You talk about glory but only thing that will be "take back" would be amount of salt from haters because its not like Zero. + If they decide to add Elli-chan, Jesus, God forbid the haters will start a revolt. DeitysDynasty said: fate/khalid movie to come out first Its out. Shayon said: Ripper's backstory Well, i guess it's time to continue watching. |
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DeitysDynasty said: so is HF but I mean like a screening near me No, the Prisma Movie is out on the internet. |
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| People are hating it because they expected another Zero and got something else that deal with things other than Zero. Where in Zero you had personal struggle of a single men, moral debate and philosophical talk about way of life in Apocrypha you have struggle of a man left behind in the world, oral strugle about the nature of homonculi and philosophical talk about God and meaning of existence. Clearly not what many new fans ( as in the ones who started the series becasue of Zero and not original material ) expected, and same will be done for Last Encore becasue it will also not be Zero. Apocrypha on itself is quite good stand-alone story, what lacks when compared to previous titles more than enough suffice in battles and characters. Only main con being the romance where it realistically should not be there. Just my 2 cents after speaking with a lot of people from the fanbase, old veterans see it as ok adaptation and new one hate it because it is not Zero and Ufotable. So they can rate it low but I would not take any of this ratings seriously as they are mostly not rated objectively. Just watch the anime with mindset it is a new thing and you will enjoy it. |
I can't do that when Vol 3 ch 4 isn't translated tho :^) I hope it gets translated sometime.. S-quare22 said: just wait for the fate/extra that will air next year.. the fate series will take back its stolen glory again. BrotherCoa said: and same will be done for Last Encore becasue it will also not be Zero. I can already imagine the crazy reactions people will have toward Saber and Rider's designs, this will be fun. |
| Compared to Fate Stay night which had a great villain in Kirei this has a very bland villain in Amakusa who is very similar to characters like Kiritsugu and Archer who were done better. Also doesnt help that this has a very boring protagonist in Sieg in comparison to Shirou Emiya. I don't rate Fate Zero as highly as other people do because of some annoying characters and the writing of Saber. However I will say that this just seems inferior in comparision to Fate Stay Night and Zero. This is good but not great the main problem I have with it is that there are several interesting characters but the main characters that get the most focus are very bland. I dont think this show is bad though I just think it is good not great. |
lainrussoNov 27, 2017 2:22 AM
| Mainly because the animation isn't great, none of the characters are memorable in any way (and most are just anime tropes brought to life as characters), the writing is lazy (they did the whole "everyone team up to fight the guy/thing who has gone berserk" three times already) and they seem to have forgotten the main plot for weeks on end at this point, with all the Jack stuff essentially being filler as Jack has no real impact on the Grail War whatsoever (the backstory/nightmare thing was good, though, even if it was filler). |
| If Mordred was the protagonist instead of Sieg's boring ass, this show would be 13x better |
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| Tbh, I don't have a problem with the animation. I think it's decent. The problem for me is that the characters in focus are borings asf. Interesting characters like Mordred don't get a lot of screentime. I'm a fanboy of the fate franchise, at least the Fate/Stay Night visual novel and the ufotable adaptations but this isn't really what I expected from it. There are a few characters that do interest me but they get far too little screen time. I like Jeanne though |
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| Sieg is an awful character bland and boring. I'm not a fan of Jeanne she doesn't actually do anything. I'm not sold on their romance it's got no chemistry. Mordred is the most interesting character but she's a side character. The story is a bit of a mess and then there's that daft trap that's purely Otaku pandering. Action wise it's pretty solid but not a patch on Zero |
DeitysDynasty said: S-quare22 said: or UBW *cough cough*.Action wise it's pretty solid but not a patch on Zero It is much better than UBW fights. UBW fights were shorter and not as intense as the one from Apocrypha |
Alright I'll give it a go, since the case is practically double well probably 1.7 times the regular Fate series 14 servants and 7 masters 2 rulers, the level of character development is about half that of a regular fate series, I mean take a look at Unlimited Blade Works the level of characterization is extreme since we have what is 25 episodes devoted to Emiya, archer and Rin, of course some characters are left at the wayside but this extreme character development allows for the story to have great impact. People give such low scores not because this is a bad anime, in fact this is probably one of the best of the season, but because the Fate series standards are very high. Looking at the character development if we had a focus on Jeanne and Sieg like to an extreme then this story would have more meaning but we won't know since the development is weak for almost all characters, I mean take a look at Chiron and Fiore and the rest of the Ygg clan and servants not a lot of development or it wasn't well done. I mean golem dude was like a one-off monster before he was killed, we have next to no character development on Red servant side, at most with the episode count we will get flashback backstories of them but in the end that isn't all to original or a good way to show it, I think if they upped the episode count they could do more but the large cast is hindering the story. For me this is a solid 7/10, we have cool servants and to be honest I love Sieg and Ruler and Rider story, plus Saber's selfish quest. outside of that this anime is bad at delivery of the other characters. |
| Average and boring. Thats how i describe it. It's not love or hate - I want to sleep through it. Average characters: Jack 'loli' the Ripper is most boring for me (kill-kill-kill, thats all?), 50% of the cast is useless (first master of Astolfo wins this award, what was that? o__0), poor backstories, poor development. Average fights, average animation (though it gets really bad sometimes, recent episodes are better). P.S. I'm not fan of Fate/Zero. For me Fate/Stay Night (Deen) is average (because of the mix), Fate/Prototype - average, Fate/Grand Order - average, Fate/Zero - good, for the most part (though i didn't like some parts of it, +Gilles and his master may go to hell), Fate/SN: UBW (ufotable) - great (and horrible faces). Well... |
FrostnessNov 29, 2017 2:49 PM
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| Because it's a stain on muh perfect fate zero. In all seriousness though, it's pretty lame. If I was a bit less lenient I would even say it's really bad. |
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| Ok, i will just start with saying that im not planning to offend anyone. First, and most important - this show gets hate because it not really too fate'y - yes, it has elements of fate franchise but its completly different. And its enough to warrant mass hatred from piece of fate fanbase. While most hardcore fanbases usually harbour many toxic people, fate has probably most of them. Average "hardcore/toxic" fateboy sleeps with sakura pillow, prays to his //zero altar and hates any animation that isnt done by ufotable. And this show has none of those. Its score would be higher by 1 or more if it was animated by ufotable (have i mentioned that ufotable has massive amount of worshippers?). Cant say i completly dont understand those people - im also toxic towards people who like me3 or me:andromeda, because i find those games responsible for destroying my favorite franchise. Second - Mob mentality - people are already bashing this anime, so other join. Third - Fate franchise is usually filled with semi-philosophical crap, and teenagers like it. Not that i have anything against it, if its served right, but in fate its usually either overblown or outright stupid (fate/extra ending could probably rival mass effect 3 green/blue ending in :stupidest category, at least in my book). But Apocrypha is different in that regard - most servants actually act like adult people, and so do masters. Of course that doesnt mean they dont change or start to see thing in different light, but they act like adult people, not some teenagers. Mature man dont need to act like flag blowing in the wind before they can make a decision (*cough,cough* shiro in heavens feel route *cough*). And flashbacks - insane amount of it in other fate's - here they are sparse and used well, instead of flooding everythin with them. Fourth aka second - people just outright lie through their teeth to bash this show (some examples) -Music being bad (maybe in 1$ headphones) -Animation being bad (while it lacks details like ufatable animation has, otherwise its amazing - dont remeber when it was last time when i saw so many long battles in anime, with insanely fluid animation, not interrupted every 5s but 5 minute flashbacks and pointless, unnatural talking, to stretch episode for as long as possible). -Characters having close to zero developement (completly changing in a matter of minutes/hours is not developement, its schizophrenia) (or talk no jutsu?) Characters in /Apocrypha developed more like real people. -hypocritically bashing loli jack and trap rider (not that fate kaleid is just one big fanservice and fate franchise has plenty of disgusting fanservice, right?) And so on... Fifth - MC not being Emyia "hypocrite" Shirou* or some other weakling hunted by his feelings. On the contrary - he was capable of quickly overcoming his weaknesses and making decisons, standing firm on his beliefs. Of course i cant say this series is perfect (not enough episodes dedicated to developing romance, most masters being basically placeholders, ost could contain more tracks, basically whole jack arc and black caster should have just died in gardens). But its better that way, at least it wasnt artifically stretched. For me only fate works better than apocrypha is saber's route in FSN:RN. Of course im not saying that people should like this anime as much as i do, but its seriously pathetic how some pople try to make this to look like worst series ever. TL:DR - Apocrypha is not like their worshipped fate zero/hf or other fates by typemoon therefore it MUST be bad. Like 2-3/10 bad. *I mean HF Emiya. PS: Fate/Apocrypha was written by Yuichiro Higashide and thats probably worst sins of them all - hes not Nasu. I really like his way of writing tho(Ayakashibito is amazing VN) so its not really a suprise that i really like this anime. |
| harem and ecchi are a cancer to whole planet bad english user |
| It literally had the worst cast possible for a Fate tie-in. The animation quality was laughably bad most of the time too. Just watching through the horrible ending made me want to end my life. |
Swagernator said: Caring about what the "community" believes... IN ANY OTHER TIME SPAN OR UNIVERSE. Outside of Sieg being a homunculus and Claude for saving his older sister (and being yelled at for it), I like my Fate series where shounen leads DON'T suck. There's the "vegetarian" anime fanbase that are larger in numbers, and there's the "meat-eating" anime fanbase. And unfortunately the lot of people who make anime are vegetarians as well. My hopes of being proven wrong were in the garbage can until Fate/Apocrypha. |
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Hectotane said: Swagernator said: Caring about what the "community" believes... IN ANY OTHER TIME SPAN OR UNIVERSE. Outside of Sieg being a homunculus and Claude for saving his older sister (and being yelled at for it), I like my Fate series where shounen leads DON'T suck. There's the "vegetarian" anime fanbase that are larger in numbers, and there's the "meat-eating" anime fanbase. And unfortunately the lot of people who make anime are vegetarians as well. My hopes of being proven wrong were in the garbage can until Fate/Apocrypha. It's not polite to change someone post. |
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| Fans hate it somehow, It wasn't worked by The Unlimited Budget work studio aka ufotable. The story is hard to understand and most fight are jumbled into one. Too much cast in the Anime even main character seems lacking a screentime. Me? It has some problems but damn 10/10 i am really enjoying it better than UBW. Maybe low score caused by people who dropped it or bandwagon. What do you expect. I thought it was going to be bad seeing the score goes but damn, it's pretty good and exceed my expectations. |
Swagernator said: It's not polite to change someone post. Neither is having other people think for you. They tend to make decisions you'll hate and regret for the rest of your life. |
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| Because it sucks..F/SN UBW did too but at least it looked better. F/Z remains by far the best part of this overrated Franchise! |
| To be honest, I just dislike everything about Jeanne, Sieg and Astolfo. The cast is so big and the servants/masters just seem to be there to fight and die(they're all fodder). There's just no focus. The character development is not done very well. Only interesting character I find is Mordred, and that's near the end of the show where they rush developed her motivations of rebellion/usurpation. I also find some interactions between servants who already know each other interesting, but it's clearly not being developed well either. |
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