| Nah, it's nonsense, i doubt whomever claimed that liking yaoi makes you homophobic really believes it, they were probably just venting their anger on how much stereotypical and overal garbage yaoi can be (like any other genre, being honest). Although i don't like this label - or any at all - since there're some works that decipts gay relationship very well and deals with so much more than just that........ |
| Never heard anyone say that tbh, but I've heard some say that if you don't like yaoi, then you're homophobic. |
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iscum said: Agreed I think whoever said this will have seen the contradiction in their head and will have said it to be disparaging.Nah, it's nonsense, i doubt whomever claimed that liking yaoi makes you homophobic really believes it, they were probably just venting their anger on how much stereotypical and overal garbage yaoi can be (like any other genre, being honest). Although i don't like this label - or any at all - since there're some works that decipts gay relationship very well and deals with so much more than just that........ yourlocalflower said: So I've been seeing people say being a fujoshi or liking yaoi makes you homophobic and I'm just... very confused. A quote would be interesting to look at if you have anything on hand? I think that this is rare enough of a occurance that the people that say it are saying it for reasons relating to themselves as a individual rather then just a case of jumping on a bandwagon. (obviously no names or profile links this shouldnt be a witch hunt) |
| “we all live with the objective of being happy, our lives are all different and yet the same.” |
joe_g7 said: Never heard anyone say that tbh, but I've heard some say that if you don't like yaoi, then you're homophobic. Well if u dont like yaoi ur probably just a straight male |
lady_freyja said: @Tythoid I encountered one, few months ago. Quoting her: And I KNOW what these fujoshis are like because I was one. I was one of those young girls who obsessed over the hot yaois and only cared about the doujinshi and how they fuck, looking back it was probably due to my internalised homophobia. Of course, there are the radical antis but those who are uncomfortable by these ships' feelings are just as important as those who get 'shunned' for their ships. Unhealthy mlm ships are looked down upon by people because gay people already have to deal with others thinking they're paedophiles or inehritantly abusive because of their sexuality, so (straight) girls obsessing over them and calling them hot and "omg my gay babies I'm sinning so much!!!! uwu" flaunts these stereotypes and hurts the LGBT community. Even if the characters aren't 'real' the effect they have on people is. Not to mention adults getting off on porn of underage characters is shady as it is. And I don't shun fetishes, but mlm should not be a fetish. As that is in fact homophobic. It's treating gay relationships as a sexual object, especially when majority of consumers are straight females. I can't stop what you do in your private time, but gay people liking/creating fetishised gay material is different to straight girls liking/creating fetishised gay material. Beside the fact that I love the last sentence since it destroys the rest of the logic developed before, it looks like what @iscum said. Someone angry about their past tastes. Its a interesting read thanks for sharing it. I agree your right but I think they are touching on something just not homophobia. Personally I think that what they are saying about yaoi falls more into phenomenology specifically our treatment of the "other" how we dictate the way the others are percieved within society because their position within society is based on the dominate narratives terms. think animals at the zoo anime that exist for us rather then in the wild living for themselves. Its basically about gay men should be defining themselves and telling their stories. However alot of yaoi is very good I don't think too much misrepresentation goes on. I think this is more the case for older literature and honestly its not the worst thing or something that invalidates yaoi. yeah we would all like our authors to know the topic so we should call their work bad if its not well researched. Does that make sense? |
| “we all live with the objective of being happy, our lives are all different and yet the same.” |
| Not it's not.. But i never really watch yaoi so meh, Love stage is the only thing so far close to BL that i had watched. I do love Yuri stuff though. Kuzu no Honkai hated by my friends due GirlsxGirls Shinsekai Yori are the same there's also Yaoi too, though not that explicit. Hmm.. what else? |
I've been seeing people say being a fujoshi or liking yaoi makes you homophobic Really? All I see is comment of not liking yaoi means you're homophobic which is stupid imo Liking and not liking certain genre doesn't determine someone's ideals/tendencies in reality. Liking loli/shota means pedophile? No. Not liking yaoi/yuri means homophobic? No. Liking tsundere ship means abusive relationship supporter? No. In the end it's just a matter of preference in your entertainment... fiction =/= reality I may be a BL lover... but I'm not a supporter of lgbt in real life. I simply acknowledge and treat them the same way as I treat other sexual orientation. |
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| I think whoever said that is probably full of it. At the same time, I can see how yaoi can easily turn into weird and unhealthy steretyping that lgbt people would not be fans of (at least I can see it through my own perspective as a bisexual guy). On the other hand it's more or less completely unrealistic (though most romance in anime is unrealistic). I've only ever watched 1 yaoi show on my own purposely (Yuri!!! on Ice) and I ended up dropping it. While there were many reasons, one of them was the fact that the romance seemed really...closeted, if that makes any sense. |
arrofilNov 9, 2017 3:11 AM
| Anyone who claims liking yaoi is homophobic is an idiot. On the other hand, people who only like yaoi/the highly stylized depictions of gay people they see in manga and on TV and are uncomfortable with it in real life...yeah, that's homophobic. |
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| There are differences with attitudes lesbians, bi and gays face, so I can understand how bi guy could still do some homophobic things. Yaoi imo doesn't really cause or is homophobic by default, and even if it did I wouldn't really care, and I say that as a bi dude. I think this idea may have started from western fanbase behavior. I'm certainly sure majority adult fujoshis/fudanshis realize how yaoi/BL portrays gay men to behave is fantasy, like any other media that's mainly for sexual gratification. But I'd say many problems of BL where due to lack of knowledge and how homosexuality wasn't/isn't really discussed in Japan, so of course majority of it won't be realistic. Tythoid said: iscum said: A quote would be interesting to look at if you have anything on hand? I think that this is rare enough of a occurance that the people that say it are saying it for reasons relating to themselves as a individual rather then just a case of jumping on a bandwagon. (obviously no names or profile links this shouldnt be a witch hunt) I can't really give here any quotes, but I think I have read mentions of fetishization in the year 2011(?) on some BL blogs, may have been influenced what fujoshi stereotype is, so people tried to be critical with their entertainment. It's really just the reversed version of straight man masturbating to lesbians, that some are really eager to claim as a problem. Recently I'd say this kind of idea is more favored in Tumblr, there was some blog about "problematic yaoi". Killing Stalking also caused some shit storm there. lady_freyja said: @Tythoid I can't stop what you do in your private time, but gay people liking/creating fetishised gay material is different to straight girls liking/creating fetishised gay material. Beside the fact that I love the last sentence since it destroys the rest of the logic developed before, it looks like what @iscum said. Someone angry about their past tastes. That last sentence tho... But what about when straight people support those LGBT artists and share same fetishes, should they not because gay only? Shouldn't I be more happy that LGBT art isn't anymore just pushed in to bars and also straight people are interested? And what differences would it even make if I was straight man reading yuri rather than bi? That's double standards clear and simple. Many gay manga are BDSM porn, fujoshis who're in to that stuff like to read them, same with yaoi manga that's BDSM is read by gay men. Trying to stop or claim it's harmful for straight people to write us will just cause lack of entertainment for us too and more obstacles for straight authors to include LGBT people in their works. I'm rather tired with this us vs. them mentality... Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
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@urpoutta Some nice clear points have to agree on most of what you say, maybe there is some stuff in these shows that isn't perfect but just because something isnt 10/10 perfect in everyway does mean it doesn't it cant be enjoyed.  Killing Stalking I'm afraid I haven't read it so I can't comment really but from the description "Killing Stalking became a popular manhwa in early 2017 due to its dark themes, display of psychological manipulation, and depiction of physical abuse and violence. It gives an insight look of how people with mental illness think, how they see the world and how abuse leaves impacts on their mental development." I can understand why it might be problematic in areas but from my perspective I do like manga and anime going to dark places, its one of the nice things about the medium that alot of shows are able to explore themes that wouldnt be shown elsewhere. |
| “we all live with the objective of being happy, our lives are all different and yet the same.” |
| Sometime i'm convinced that those threads are made just so that users can be banned. |
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| From what I've been told, it's the stigma of the purpose of why yaoi content is made. Such as BL manga is approved and distributed in Japan but homosexual couples and rights are looked down on and dissaproved by the society. In conjunction the BL material is in mind for straight woman for pleasure rather then sold as just a romance between two males. Granted this is what I've heard tossed back and forth over the years of me reading so many of these sentiments and reasons might've shifted. And I admit the stigma leaves a bad taste in my mouth you see stuff like Yuri on Ice being called a yaoi/bl material when it's just a romance plot in a sports anime about figure skaters. It's not considered just a gay romance. The lines are blurred and its frustrating a bit. I would never say reading it though makes you homophobic, that's bullshit. It's already a small pool of gay material that we have access to and if that was gone despite the notion to produce it there would be barely 1% in all other manga material. |
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Tythoid said: @urpoutta Some nice clear points have to agree on most of what you say, maybe there is some stuff in these shows that isn't perfect but just because something isnt 10/10 perfect in everyway does mean it doesn't it cant be enjoyed. Killing Stalking I'm afraid I haven't read it so I can't comment really but from the description "Killing Stalking became a popular manhwa in early 2017 due to its dark themes, display of psychological manipulation, and depiction of physical abuse and violence. It gives an insight look of how people with mental illness think, how they see the world and how abuse leaves impacts on their mental development." I can understand why it might be problematic in areas but from my perspective I do like manga and anime going to dark places, its one of the nice things about the medium that alot of shows are able to explore themes that wouldnt be shown elsewhere. Along the lines of the killing stalking thing I actully like the plot and I think the story is really intriguing, though I think a lot of people can agree that the relationship between the 2 main characters is fucked up and in no way should be presented as normal. Thinking back on my question is get that a lot of the hate is probably projected towards works like this, but as someone who does like BL I will say it's pretty fucked up to ship their relationship or relationships like it |
| @yourlocalflower Seems like you have good knowledge of this subject and yaoi yourself. What do you think, has this thread given you a better understanding or an answer to your original question? |
| “we all live with the objective of being happy, our lives are all different and yet the same.” |
| So is this a new meme that im not aware of? Something like the apache helicopter or did you just assume my gender meme? Am I witnessing the birth of a new meme? |
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| you're uncomfortable with/uncertain of your masculinity or your heterosexuality, thus need to reaffirm yourself by being homophobic |
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Tythoid said: @urpoutta Some nice clear points have to agree on most of what you say, maybe there is some stuff in these shows that isn't perfect but just because something isnt 10/10 perfect in everyway does mean it doesn't it cant be enjoyed. Killing Stalking I'm afraid I haven't read it so I can't comment really but from the description "Killing Stalking became a popular manhwa in early 2017 due to its dark themes, display of psychological manipulation, and depiction of physical abuse and violence. It gives an insight look of how people with mental illness think, how they see the world and how abuse leaves impacts on their mental development." I can understand why it might be problematic in areas but from my perspective I do like manga and anime going to dark places, its one of the nice things about the medium that alot of shows are able to explore themes that wouldnt be shown elsewhere. On a side note, the main characters look like kpop idols if they were homeless drug addicts. |
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