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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Ooh, some focus on Atalanta this episode. Jack the Ripper's mind games are really affecting her though. At least Jeanne knew how to deal with her tricks. A lot of psychology this episode but it's interesting to see how Jeanne dealt with all that. GG Jack the Ripper. Too bad Atalanta broke so easily. |
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| Can someone fill me in on this, does Jeanne have some.. well you know.. feelings for the MC? how? when? |
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| Poor Jack the Ripper's, her mind broke it !!! |
RanxomareNov 11, 2017 9:25 AM
| So Jack the Ripper was the representative of all the kids who weren't given a chance in that era of London... The legend of Jack consumed the souls of the unfortunate kids to be part of his/her legend. Since that was the motive for the deeds and the reason he/she ended up as a heroic spirit. They made Jack into this ambiguous kind of evil spirit/hero since his/her real identity was never actually revealed in history. Hmmmmm |
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| Interesting episode. We got the truth behind Assassin of black. There was a nice cameo of Medea, Artemis and Giles. Now Atalanta really hates Ruler, I'm looking foward to see how that's going to play out. Sieg now knows how ugly is the world. Goddammit Shakespeare, you are breaking the fourth wall! So... I read that Jack the Ripper can never be summoned again. (Another recap?, really?) |
 Meth, not even once. |
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| Well I can't watch the episode yet but I'm glad Jack's finally gone. She & her master were just low-rent wannabe's of Zero's Team Caster. Good riddance. Though I will say while I don't like this portrayal of Jack the whole myth thing revolving around the identity is a really cool concept. Pretty much you can create a whole bunch of what-if characters of who could have been Jack. Hell the whole embodiment of all the children abandoned by prostitutes is a pretty cool backstory, what ruined it was turning her into loli the stripper. |
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Jack and Reika are way better than Zero's Team Caster tho. They had full character arcs[in the novel] and are both quite loveable. Zero's Team Caster just screamed 'COOL' all the time and were relevant for all of one scene which didn't even require them specifically but instead just a random giant monster. |
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| I love Jack more after this episode :3 |
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mira-pyon said: Jack and Reika are way better than Zero's Team Caster tho. They had full character arcs[in the novel] and are both quite loveable. Zero's Team Caster just screamed 'COOL' all the time and were relevant for all of one scene which didn't even require them specifically but instead just a random giant monster. Aww come on, dont give me that crap. Team Caster was one of my favorites in Zero, I loved their crazy yet somehow logical philosophy, and their interactions were lovable, they were not a plot device, yes, but that doesnt make them worst characters. And even when Jack's concept is interesting, Reika was an empty character, like the Cat in the lap of a villain of James Bond film, as master did nothing but follow her around and pamper her, not even spoke with other characters or had even an opinion to make things more interesting (the writer only took the -already cooked by the developer of the character (who is not the writer of Apo)- concept of Jack and did nothing really interesting with it) Leaving that aside.... I read the novel just until Dracula's death, so I have no background over this... did Jeanne exorcized Jack? is that even possible? I thought that in Fate you had to cripple the enemy servant, leave him blind and stab him to destroy him. |
AredrosNov 5, 2017 10:12 AM
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-Stray said: Can someone fill me in on this, does Jeanne have some.. well you know.. feelings for the MC? how? when? Not Jeanne, Leticia, the girl she's possessing, that also affects Jeanne aswell, as for when, I believe since the very beginning, otherwise she wouldn't have accepted what Siegfried did for Sieg, as for how did she fall, lets say that she cares about him just because Sieg doesn't value his life, that's it, really simple Edit: Knowing Sieg's future might have a thing to do on it, specially when trying to prevent Sieg from harms way |
CrimsonWandererNov 5, 2017 10:59 AM
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
Aredros said: mira-pyon said: Jack and Reika are way better than Zero's Team Caster tho. They had full character arcs[in the novel] and are both quite loveable. Zero's Team Caster just screamed 'COOL' all the time and were relevant for all of one scene which didn't even require them specifically but instead just a random giant monster. Aww come on, dont give me that crap. Team Caster was one of my favorites in Zero, I loved their crazy yet somehow logical philosophy, and their interactions were lovable, they were not a plot device, yes, but that doesnt make them worst characters. It's not crap tho. And by 'lovable' I don't mean 'lol, these two are so funny and stupid, I want more of them' but 'I have some sort of an emotional attachment to these two and I don't want them to suffer'. And even when Jack's concept is interesting, Reika was an empty character, like the Cat in the lap of a villain of James Bond film, as master did nothing but follow her around and pamper her, not even spoke with other characters or had even an opinion to make things more interesting (the writer only took the -already cooked by the developer of the character (who is not the writer of Apo)- concept of Jack and did nothing really interesting with it) Which is why I said 'in the novel'. Reika and Jack had a whole chapter dedicated to them at the start telling us what we need to know and it went in depth concerning Reika's character. Then there's the stuff in Volume 4 to finish it. She was most certainly not empty. She could be better, yes, but she is far better than Ryuunosuke and saying the vice versa is true is laughable. Leaving that aside.... I read the novel just until Dracula's death, so I have no background over this... did Jeanne exorcized Jack? is that even possible? I thought that in Fate you had to cripple the enemy servant, leave him blind and stab him to destroy him. Yes, she excorsised Jack. Amakusa also excorsised Vlad. The 'leave him blind and stab him to destroy him' isn't necessary - Amakusa only threw Vlad around to weaken him(and look cool. Also his objects of choice for excorsising were Black Keys, so stabbing would be part of the package). Jack is already weakened and willing to comply so Jeanne doesn't have to do anything strenuous. |
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| Great episode, definitely better than most of the others that we've been getting lately. While I did really like this episode, I am kinda conflicted. On one side Jeanne was characterized really well but on the other side, Atalanta's characterization felt weak and lacking exposition. I understand she's supposed to stand as some kind of symbol for saving children or something but I don't know, it's like they twisted her so easily to the point she's isn't even willing to listen which is hard to believe considering she came off as a very cool and collected character before. Anyway, this episode proves why Jeanne is my favorite. <3 I loved how she talked about her experience on the battlefield and her take on the whole 'Saint' status. However, My favorite part was towards the end where she says that no matter what kind of cruelty exists, she'll never give up on humanity. That was pretty beautiful. The soundtrack this episode was really good as well. Shakespeare at the end. xD |
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| An emotional attachment that makes them lovable & not want to watch them suffer...... hmmh naw I don't see it. I'm guessing again this was better told in the novel but I felt no emotional attachment to these two here & truth be told it take a lot for me to feel sympathy for such horrible murderer's. At least Gilles & Ryu didn't force you to feel sympathy for them. They were both horrible people & deserved to be dealt with & even though Gilles did get some tragedy in his death it wasn't overdone like with Reika. |
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| Well that was a pretty interesting episode, as we got to learn more about Jack and a little bit about Atalanta. Ruler has definitely gotten on Atalanta's bad side now after doing what she did. Lol Shakespeare in that post-ED scene. He always cracks me up. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. |
| Lol Ruler's jealousy face at the end so kawaii <3 |
Slimcoder said: An emotional attachment that makes them lovable & not want to watch them suffer...... hmmh naw I don't see it. I'm guessing again this was better told in the novel but I felt no emotional attachment to these two here & truth be told it take a lot for me to feel sympathy for such horrible murderer's. Understandable. At least Gilles & Ryu didn't force you to feel sympathy for them. They were both horrible people & deserved to be dealt with & even though Gilles did get some tragedy in his death it wasn't overdone like with Reika. Now you're just undermining the point of Reika and Jack's characters. Gilles and Ryu were just terrible people for the sake of being terrible. They were just fodder and their job could be done by any other set of characters. Their job is more comparable to Shakespeare than Jack and Reika in that they're mostly there for shits and giggles and only really make somewhat of a difference later on. Jack and Reika, on the other hand, are tragic characters. The whole point about them is that they were victims who became villains because they started off as victims - the point is that they weren't simply horrible people for the sake of being horrible, but that everyone else around them were horrible as well and that, really, what they needed wasn't destruction in the same way as characters like Ryu and Gilles, but something more akin to salvation. The tragedy in Gilles death wasn't 'overdone' because he isn't a tragic character - he's just a bad person - and you shouldn't expect his and Reika/Jack's death to be similar at all. |
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| Well lets blame the anime for completely fucking them up then. I know there parts in the story was utterly butchered in the anime & as a result all I'm left seeing is apparent knock-offs of a memorable & disturbingly lovable bromance. Like I get what your saying but I am gonna compare the characters cause narrative-wise they fulfill the same purpose as in wild-card serial killer distractions from the main plot. I just I got more entertainment out of Gilles & Ryu in the end than I got from Jack & Reika & this is me ignoring my extreme displeasure at Jack the Ripper being turned into a stripper loli. |
SlimcoderNov 5, 2017 6:14 PM
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Slimcoder said: -snip- Okay Though Jack being turned into a stripper loli also makes sense and gets rectified in another Fate/spin off. Hardgore_Lasagna said: Archer Orion I think you mean Artemis. Orion is the bear. |
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Lelouch0202 said: All of this times 10Great episode, definitely better than most of the others that we've been getting lately. While I did really like this episode, I am kinda conflicted. On one side Jeanne was characterized really well but on the other side, Atalanta's characterization felt weak and lacking exposition. I understand she's supposed to stand as some kind of symbol for saving children or something but I don't know, it's like they twisted her so easily to the point she's isn't even willing to listen which is hard to believe considering she came off as a very cool and collected character before. Anyway, this episode proves why Jeanne is my favorite. <3 I loved how she talked about her experience on the battlefield and her take on the whole 'Saint' status. However, My favorite part was towards the end where she says that no matter what kind of cruelty exists, she'll never give up on humanity. That was pretty beautiful. The soundtrack this episode was really good as well. Shakespeare at the end. xD Jeanne's obvious crushing on Sieg makes her even more kawaii lol, man I'm shipping them so hard |
TokoyaNov 5, 2017 8:05 PM
| This episode shows a lot of how the world works. But Jeanne was the only one that can bypass it even knowing how the system is. Archer Red, I pity the girl since she had a somewhat bad past, and the illusions literally took her mind to insanity... |
 Quite honestly, I was disenchanted by recent episodes. I enjoyed quite a few episodes in the first season. OP animation was cool, characters were twice the usual size, and the moe character, Fran the Kuro No Berserker. As story developed, poor plot and bad twist got noticeable ,with decreasing number of characters and losing moe factor. But here at the episode 18, I found new aspect of this work. As the name describes, members of Black Faction are found out to be evil, in a way of satisfying themselves by the methods of killing and consuming others. That make sense why Jeanne and Red Berserker joined the team. On the other hand, members of Red are more innocent and having unsocial character. That also makes sense why Black Caster went over the other side and Shirou invited Fran to join his team. Also, with including other works of Fate series, plots of series strengthen each other. The caster of Fate/Zero admired Jeanne, his character was quite black. So now I understand that Jeanne was not summoned unfairly to join the Black Faction, but she was summoned to balance the ruler, and she perfectly fits the Black side. |
PLDokiNov 5, 2017 10:36 PM
| This episode was weird but I’m glad that the Jack stuff is done with. |
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Wait... is that supposed to be Fiore? I don't think so, because it makes no sense. It's probably just that A-1 somehow managed to draw a random kid that looks very similar to her. But since we got a Jeanne clone as well, i thought it could be some kind of symbolism and figured i might as well point this out. |
| Jannu is jealous at the end lol. Don't bully Atalante, she just want to save kids. Also that Medea cameo was great. |
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Just a little more and I'll be adding Jeanne to my favorite <3 |
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| An okay episode. We learned more about Jack the Ripper and a bit of Atalanta. Jeanne's expressions in this episode were cute. Shakespeare at the end lol. |
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| OMG, Jeanne waifu and Astolfo "waifu" too xD We see several characters that I discovered in FGO and it's nice :) Gille de Raie Saber Archer Orion (Artemis) Medea Lily Caster Episode 19 seems to be a recap. |
Raikiri29Nov 6, 2017 4:58 AM
| Enjoyed seeing the flashbacks of Atalante and Jack as they really needed more characterisation. This episode proved to me that Jack and her master are more likeable versions of Fate Zero caster and his master. As at least Jack has good reasons for what she does and isn't as annoying as Caster and Ryunosuke and didn't take up as much screen time as them. |
| Random "jack" Is there no other way? Ruler Nope, none whatsoeve. There is absolutely not a single thing in existence that could change that. Now off you go, tell God I said hi 5 seconds later Archer They could have been saved with the Grail!!!! Ruler The Grail? Oh yea that mystical wish-granting maguffin, oops my bad |
| The idea behind Jack the Ripper for this show was excellent and a clever take on the legend, but honestly I'm just glad that Jack is dead so we can hopefully get the main plot rolling again; this Jack stuff has been a very long diversion, and I'm relieved that it's finally over. |
| Boring episode. From what I understood Jack wasn't even the real Jack. |
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Ulquiorra said: From what I understood Jack wasn't even the real Jack. There is no "real" Jack in Fate. Since nobody ever knew his real identity, every one of his incarnations reflect some aspects of the legend of Jack the Ripper and take different forms related to that. |
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| This anime does exposition in very bland and boring way, by most part it's very idle, Zero suffered from this a lot as well. Another gripe I have with this, the action scenes/fights are just tiny skirmishes with no actual results majority of the time. The deaths overall have been anti climatic and boring as well. |
Suddenly, someone slaps you with a brick wall. |
Aredros said: (the writer only took the -already cooked by the developer of the character (who is not the writer of Apo)- concept of Jack and did nothing really interesting with it) Actually, Jack is the only servant in Apocrypha that was designed by the writer of the novel. The full list of writers that designed those servants goes like this: TYPE MOON (Siegfried) (Semiramis) Kinoko Nasu (Karna) (Joan of Arc) (Mordred) (Avicebron) (Chiron) (Achilles) (Amakusa Shirou Tokisada) Gen Urobuchi (Vlad III) (Spartacus) Myougaya Jinroku (Atalanta) Meteo Hoshizora (Astolfo) (Frankenstein) Shoji Gatoh (Shakespeare) Yuichiro Higashide (Jack the Ripper) |
| This episode was definitely a step above most others,action was good and feels were also hit a bit. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Just like few minute ago he still in a dream about the world is beautiful and few minute later he saw hell about the world. That part just make me laugh. |
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Lelouch0202 said: Great episode, definitely better than most of the others that we've been getting lately. While I did really like this episode, I am kinda conflicted. On one side Jeanne was characterized really well but on the other side, Atalanta's characterization felt weak and lacking exposition. I understand she's supposed to stand as some kind of symbol for saving children or something but I don't know, it's like they twisted her so easily to the point she's isn't even willing to listen which is hard to believe considering she came off as a very cool and collected character before. I second this when a character switches sides or something within lines, they often have a strong point which makes you sympathize with them or at least you understand them. Atlanta was just plain weird. |
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| The cameos were nice. The show is picking up again! I think watching this while it aired has hindered my enjoyment somewhat. |
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| Loved this ep, almot all eps have been great for a while and this one is above the last ones that were already pretty good, which is great. I miss Astolfo but I can dealwith it if the show is good enough. I think. And I LOVE the numerous jabs at the real worlds that are made using various characters; not just Jack, although it's a pretty big partof it, but also some of Atalanta's line too; while they don't work on Jeanne because... Well... She's Jeanne. You can easily see that there's a pretty heavy subtext. Lelouch0202 said: While I did really like this episode, I am kinda conflicted. On one side Jeanne was characterized really well but on the other side, Atalanta's characterization felt weak and lacking exposition. I understand she's supposed to stand as some kind of symbol for saving children or something but I don't know, it's like they twisted her so easily to the point she's isn't even willing to listen which is hard to believe considering she came off as a very cool and collected character before. That's the point, and the episode is very heavy on the fact that they didn't "twist" her (well, they did, but she mainly "twisted herlself") but that she saw herself in them; which is also why her wish to the grail is to save all children/make all children happy, I don't remember which one it is. Being cool and collected doesn't mean NEVER becoming emotional at all, especially when the main point of the whole deal is really close to what she lived herself and the reason she wanted the grail in the first place. |
willardhwrightNov 6, 2017 12:16 PM
JGChaves said: Aredros said: (the writer only took the -already cooked by the developer of the character (who is not the writer of Apo)- concept of Jack and did nothing really interesting with it) Actually, Jack is the only servant in Apocrypha that was designed by the writer of the novel. The full list of writers that designed those servants goes like this: TYPE MOON (Siegfried) (Semiramis) Kinoko Nasu (Karna) (Joan of Arc) (Mordred) (Avicebron) (Chiron) (Achilles) (Amakusa Shirou Tokisada) Gen Urobuchi (Vlad III) (Spartacus) Myougaya Jinroku (Atalanta) Meteo Hoshizora (Astolfo) (Frankenstein) Shoji Gatoh (Shakespeare) Yuichiro Higashide (Jack the Ripper) Meteo Hoshizora... Now I know who I should hate... thx for the fact btw |
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| Atalanta has totally snapped. It's been a while since I've seen such a wild angry expression that she pulled off during her confrontation against Jeanne. Jack's Illusions really did a number on her. Still, at least Jeanne was able to put Jack to rest. Her scene with Sieg was good, but got better when Chiron came along and interrupted their "alone" time, which made Jeanne blush. =3 Heck, her expressions in this episode was gold. During the post-credits scene with Shakespeare's amusing talk, she got very jealous and turned away, pouting as Astolfo glomped Sieg with his usual cute expressions. That made me laugh quite a bit. =) |
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