You SHOULD Pirate Anime.

A large number of people cutting their subscriptions and starting to pirate will force streaming sites to innovate, make a better product, and bring back not only those ex-subscribers but bring in the HUGE market of people who never cared about supporting the industry in the first place.

Yudina said:
lol people actually believe this

Why do people have to make up justifications for pirating rather than just admitting that rationally free is better than priced if you're getting the exact same product?

Killbay_Kun said:


hurrrrrr durrrrr everyone that don't like legal streams sites are just trying to justyfing their evilness cause I AM the good GUY

pgmhecateii said:
Ain't watching that, but would anybody be so stupid to pay for anime when they can watch it free?

Xaelath said:
Whos to blame really?

Swagernator said:

Nippon for giving too much fucks about western customers.

Xaelath said:
but again why Western tho?

Xaelath said:
Gabe Newell already quoted it.
It's not the people, it's the service to blame.
Blame Manga and LN sells bad but have a language barrier despite the international interest.
Anime that is ridiculously overpriced for the physical price not to mention shippings.
Anime that is limited to specific country.

Whos to blame really?

pgmhecateii said:
Ain't watching that, but would anybody be so stupid to pay for anime when they can watch it free?

Swagernator said:

When western pirates steal their product they going to start third world war, but when west wants more from their products legally what is what they do ? they sell it to some damn western streaming service and dont care about the rest only how much money the get.

Swagernator said:

When western pirates steal their product they going to start third world war, but when west wants more from their products legally what is what they do ? they sell it to some damn western streaming service and dont care about the rest only how much money the get.

Bourmegar said:

Well Gaben was able to make Games Region free because there is a shit ton of money.
Anime on the other hand doesn't and growing and spreading out the industry costs A DAM LOT!

Xaelath said:

Problems get complicated overtimes..
Again it's services problems.
Money will come later once you provide a better service.
Gabe Newell also started from zero you know.
Valve to be exact.
There's also origin and GOG for competitive market.
Yet they're still there despite the lacks of innovation to make a game although they've been steadily improving their service (sometimes wrecking it), their own game engine including their own hardware.
That's for PC Gaming most known DRM sellers.

What about anime?
Crunchy rolls have this service issue that already mentioned for years without any actual improvement.
Other streaming services exclusively binded to their own place.

What does it similar to?
All kind of recent EA games that purposely exclusive for origin.
What's the backlash? Dead games, abandoned ware, more microtransactions like those battlefront 2 crap and "the only customer who came to the service provided are only playing the game they wanted and then left like nothing happened".

That's the harsh truth.
An industry need a community that dedicated to work and pay for its progress.
Anime industry lacks the attention due the diversity from Manga and Light Novel counter parts.
Like i said, how does this producer who provide the money to create the anime and a better service for the watcher if it's only limited to few countries while waiting the country itself to license it?
Are there even a way for the producer to gain profit properly from limited service and customer?

Argh it's complicated as hell yet the answer were never clear.

DreamingBeats said:
relevant: http://goboiano.com/mushishis-anime-studio-has-gone-bankrupt/
you can thank shameless pirates for the studio's bankruptcy.

GangsterCat said:
you should thank shitty business model of anime industry

FruitlessJuice said:
PVs are short and show nothing. like what if you get ripped off.

FruitlessJuice said:
youre stewpid and missing my point.

Yudina said:

I pirate all my anime. I don't pay for it because it's better to get a product for free than it is to pay for it.

But I don't make any stupid economic justifications that are based on zero business sense.

I'm not surprised that people in this community buy into this argument though. None of you guys have seriously done anything related to business/finance/cash flow so I don't expect you people to have any conception of decision making in large corporate settings.

DreamingBeats said:
relevant: http://goboiano.com/mushishis-anime-studio-has-gone-bankrupt/
you can thank shameless pirates for the studio's bankruptcy.

Killbay_Kun said:


Show don't tell.
If you find the argument that he made invalid then show us why you think that argument is invalid instead of acting like you were a business profissional (which you aren't).
If you can't do that then it's obvious why a lot of people use a argument that you disaggre with m8.

bl4x1 said:

Would anybody be so stupid to pay for anything when they can just steal it?

S-quare22 said:

It depends on people , if you want to support the industry , you'll pay .. if you don't want , you won't ...

Yudina said:
I'm not interested in making arguments against people who post these kind of videos, but sure I'll bite. For starters, yes, I work in business and have for the last 6+ years, so I'm always happy when people doubt my credentials simply because I make the salient point that none of you guys have any experience in economics and finance. I maintain that you don't know jack shit, so let's move on.

The argument is inherently retarded in the actual theory of business decision making practices. If enough people unsubscribe, the business will close down and stop operating and move on to other things. That's just how it works. I don't know where people got this impression that consumer activism in boycotting products ever substantially changed business practices, but it is essentially a myth of modern capitalism. It simply either doesn't exist or doesn't exist nearly to the degree that people think.

Cases where companies do "wrong" and "change" are meant to salvage reputation and branding for competitive purposes. That isn't the case in a market that is dominated by consumers largely apathetic to "brand" (since the product received is the same) and have players that are largely not competitive with one another. Furthermore, it's even worse if the consumer is moving onto something that is free, because business makers are looking at this from a cost/benefit perspective. If the consumer has moved onto an identical product that is free, there is no reason for the business to continue operating/changing their price model because delivering their product for anything less than free is not only not competitive, it's going to lose money.

In other words, this idea is legit retarded. You're literally telling people to stop their subscriptions and wait till Crunchyroll bleeds so much money that they'll do whatever it takes to get their subscribers back. News flash: That will never happen. The moment Crunchyroll sees that enough people abandon their product and that it's an unsustainable business model, they will quit the industry and its head executives will move on to other platforms. You see this in every single outdated video content delivery platform (Blockbuster and the like) with the exception of Netflix (which somehow miraculously survived despite a decrepit and old business model) and even Netflix's problems with debt persist.

Third, it's retarded to think that the concentration of subscribers who are currently at Crunchyroll/Netflix/Amazon/etc. are going to change substantially just because they deliver "better" product. There's simply no correlation here other than the logic of high school level behavioral economics, where people think that better reputation/better service will translate to people switching from one mode of consumption to another. The most important sole determinant of change will be the income levels of people who pirate, and frankly, retards who buy into this video give me doubt that they'll be making even a third of what I earn annually.

Fourth, all empiric evidence insists that to switch to pirating in a niche industry will just lead to higher prices and attention on the domestic market. The actual content of anime is already emblematic of this, but even economic data has shown that in the last few years (2016 was an anomaly because of Your Name) that while TV sales have remained relatively consistent, the industry has been making money from non-DVD products and gacha. It just seems to me that the market is reacting precisely in the way that it should: that if sales aren't going to substantially increase, then the only real solution is to raise prices on current products and/or focus on secondary products that can be grown.

Anyway, the point is, this video is retarded. People who believe it are morons, and most people should really stop pretending that they know anything about economics on this board. It's legit hilarious to read when I'm sitting at my desk, but it's honestly pretty sad given how sincere some of it is.

Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said:
What the fuck is this trend of urging people to pirate?

It's making me want to do the opposite and get a Crunchyroll account... yuck.

Yudina said:
I'm not interested in making arguments against people who post these kind of videos, but sure I'll bite. For starters, yes, I work in business and have for the last 6+ years, so I'm always happy when people doubt my credentials simply because I make the salient point that none of you guys have any experience in economics and finance. I maintain that you don't know jack shit, so let's move on.

The argument is inherently retarded in the actual theory of business decision making practices. If enough people unsubscribe, the business will close down and stop operating and move on to other things. That's just how it works. I don't know where people got this impression that consumer activism in boycotting products ever substantially changed business practices, but it is essentially a myth of modern capitalism. It simply either doesn't exist or doesn't exist nearly to the degree that people think.

Cases where companies do "wrong" and "change" are meant to salvage reputation and branding for competitive purposes. That isn't the case in a market that is dominated by consumers largely apathetic to "brand" (since the product received is the same) and have players that are largely not competitive with one another. Furthermore, it's even worse if the consumer is moving onto something that is free, because business makers are looking at this from a cost/benefit perspective. If the consumer has moved onto an identical product that is free, there is no reason for the business to continue operating/changing their price model because delivering their product for anything less than free is not only not competitive, it's going to lose money.

In other words, this idea is legit retarded. You're literally telling people to stop their subscriptions and wait till Crunchyroll bleeds so much money that they'll do whatever it takes to get their subscribers back. News flash: That will never happen. The moment Crunchyroll sees that enough people abandon their product and that it's an unsustainable business model, they will quit the industry and its head executives will move on to other platforms. You see this in every single outdated video content delivery platform (Blockbuster and the like) with the exception of Netflix (which somehow miraculously survived despite a decrepit and old business model) and even Netflix's problems with debt persist.

Third, it's retarded to think that the concentration of subscribers who are currently at Crunchyroll/Netflix/Amazon/etc. are going to change substantially just because they deliver "better" product. There's simply no correlation here other than the logic of high school level behavioral economics, where people think that better reputation/better service will translate to people switching from one mode of consumption to another. The most important sole determinant of change will be the income levels of people who pirate, and frankly, retards who buy into this video give me doubt that they'll be making even a third of what I earn annually.

Fourth, all empiric evidence insists that to switch to pirating in a niche industry will just lead to higher prices and attention on the domestic market. The actual content of anime is already emblematic of this, but even economic data has shown that in the last few years (2016 was an anomaly because of Your Name) that while TV sales have remained relatively consistent, the industry has been making money from non-DVD products and gacha. It just seems to me that the market is reacting precisely in the way that it should: that if sales aren't going to substantially increase, then the only real solution is to raise prices on current products and/or focus on secondary products that can be grown.

Anyway, the point is, this video is retarded. People who believe it are morons, and most people should really stop pretending that they know anything about economics on this board. It's legit hilarious to read when I'm sitting at my desk, but it's honestly pretty sad given how sincere some of it is.

DreamingBeats said:
the effect on piracy can also be seen in the gaming industry: game companies are moving towards the mobile platform with in-game currency/shop.